of affairs, vani says that they have a plan, a peace plan for ukraine, and they are ready to hold an almost alternative meeting there, and probably it will be pushed by beijing, the kremlin, and that there should be some kind of alternative to this, because in principle that , which is happening in switzerland in a few days, is a loud slap to russia in general, no matter how it is, or no matter how this forum or summit ends, no matter how it ends, but it is a humiliation of putin, and lavov, and in general , people show that, well, they don't want to see them there yet, it was desirable, so that they were never seen there at all, how likely is it that moscow and beijing will manage to increase the circle of supporters around them from the south, from the global south and countries that... go to brics and

groups that can be formed like a collective such a collective anti-ukraine that is trying to prove something to ukraine, to say that there is another plan for peace, and not only zelensky's? first, it is necessary to always show that both moscow and beijing are big liars, and you are asking questions about the fact that they are going to conduct some alternative peace summits, i'll tell you what it is, the plans were for a brics meeting in moscow, which is pretending to be some alternative peace plan, no, it's a brics meeting that has a specific work plan, now about the peace plan and the meeting in beijing, and there should be a meeting of the shanghai cooperation organization of the sco , the so-called, what is that... this information

is now presented as some kind of meeting on problems and issues of peace. and one more thing, mr. sergey, i understand that you and i will not convince these ministers, who are like roosters jump out and crow about the fact that it is absolutely necessary for russia to be at the meeting, especially since some of them, such as orban, fitzo, they are simply carrying out moscow's tasks, but i... i will talk with them at the table, i spoke with him, with them, i understand very well that no one can agree on anything with moscow, moreover, they will do everything in order to use any meeting as a tool for you will be beaten, or you will be put in a situation where you will be attacked by force, and you a priori lose this match and so on. from this,

it is obvious that in the current situation there is only one correct way, it is for the democratic forces to gather their strength, form a joint command, support all this with the defense-industrial complex and achieve victory, because victory in a duel with the führer and his plica can only be capitulation, everything else will look like a temporary respite. remember how many of us were fed, then putin was sick, then he had a runny nose, then he had diarrhea, then he had scrofula and so on, all of this is aimed at only one thing, let the world be fooled, and yes, so far certain ministers and certain prime ministers do not understand, do not understand or do not want to understand whether they are fulfilling the will of moscow, that there is nothing to negotiate with moscow now, and that is why. .. only one way forward. friends,

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is happening now in foreign policy, this directly affects domestic policy as well, well, domestic policy is the fight against the russian invaders, another summit that will take place in a month, this is the anniversary summit of the north atlantic alliance in washington, on the eve of this summit , a message appeared in the mass media in the west that the leaders of nato member countries are telling zelensky not to torpedo the issue of ukraine's accession to the nato, biden reflected on the fact that... nato is not yet ready for ukraine, and he said that he was always against the natoization of ukraine, and in the context of this, is it already clear that together with the european union, ukraine will be

a member of the north atlantic alliance, can it be considered that the statements made a year ago in vilnius are a confirmation. that sooner or later it will happen, if not at the anniversary summit in washington, then at the next summit ukraine will receive an invitation to the alliance. mr. sergey, i am convinced that that ukraine will be a member of nato, and i am convinced that the decisions that will be made in washington will be much stronger and bigger than what is being discussed now, because what is being described is those discussions. statements of secretary general stoltenberg that are currently being made, they say that nato, first of all, is preparing a separate road for ukraine's accession to nato, which will be individual, which is outside the framework of those procedures that

were usually used by nato and applied in relation to other partners, and i am asking you, please give let's all pay attention, even a year ago or a year and a half ago... ursula fonden never spoke like that, what ukraine has done. today, the european union needs ukraine. i am convinced that it will definitely become necessary for nato very quickly. therefore, it is obvious that these processes will accelerate. they will accelerate due to the fact that the west, the united states of america will increasingly understand and realize what the russian führer is. regime and what heroic role ukraine plays in the current situation when it gives the opportunity to intervene, gives a pause to the west, to prepare for a confrontation, for a war with russia, because no one will be able to stop the current situation,

it is moving with straight sails to both a continental and a global war. another thing is that there is no common. the understanding that this movement must be interrupted as soon as possible, and the actual decision regarding the speed of nato, ukraine's accession to nato, it is connected with the awareness of this danger for europe and the world on the part of russia, which produces this danger very quickly. at the current stage, it is important that the nato summit in washington is completed many multiples. a one-fold increase in aid to ukraine, military aid, aid with armored vehicles, ammunition, including the equipment that was promised, aircraft and other units of combat equipment that are urgently

needed by ukraine, including the formation of an answer to the question related to the assistance of personnel composition, starting with trainers who could train units. ukrainian, ending with special groups, including those that would be involved, for example, in patrolling, patrolling the northern border, which currently does not have a character hostilities, and so on. in fact, to date, all these parliamentary measures have been developed a long, long time ago, and it so happened that in this situation, from the internal conjunctural american positions, washington cannot... say so, although the time has not yet come, and in order to realize this there is still time before the summit itself, which means that we need to get as much as possible from this summit, and this lies as much as possible in the help, the maximum help to ukraine, which ukraine needs in the war against

the racist regime. you have already mentioned that putin and russia will inevitably roll to continental war and... before this continental war, by the way, the former head of the cia, david petraeus, is talking about this, he says that he is warning the west that... he does not intend to stop at ukraine, but his victory would mean war against nato. in an interview with zsan, he said: "the war in ukraine could spread to the entire region if putin succeeds in ukraine." he will not stop at ukraine. moldova will obviously be next. after that, it can be lithuania, or one of the other baltic countries. what the former says. the leader in one way or another, the cia has a similar scenario that

putin has in his cabinet. just a few days ago, in normandy , the eightieth anniversary of the landing of the allies in the fight against hitler's germany was celebrated, and i do not know whether it is possible to draw any analogies with what happened in 1944 and what may be happening. there in the 25th and 26th years, i'm not talking about the 24th, but you as a historian can definitely say whether it is similar to what it was 80 years ago, and can we expect a second front to be opened against russia in this unjust war? mr. serhiu, well if draws such parallels, then today we find... even on the eve of the first world war, and if you remember how

long the world was swaying then, especially during the balkan wars, everyone believed that there would be absolutely no threat, no pose no threat to europe, in fact it was just the beginning of the first world war, which further caused the balkans to catch fire, and then the whole of europe. just as the final point of the first world war, the paris conference itself set the stage for the second world war. so, if you look to the logic of today's decisions made by many world leaders, the first thing i can say is that they did not teach history like this. secondly, if we talk about the actions taken by these same people, then they look more like people who continue to live in the pre- war period and do not feel this threat, which today looms over the world, and the voices

are such as petraeus or other military personnel who understand the situation, who, by the way, are also wrong, because the expansion of the combat zone will begin not only and not so much, because the führer will succeed in capturing ukraine, he will succeed in capturing zuzu, and not ukraine, and this in fact... will be the reason that this paranoid person will start flying either to the baltic states or somewhere else. note these sporadic statements on the f-16. if the planes are placed in europe, then their locations will be targets for attack. well, and similar things. what does this say? about the fact that there is no ability to objectively assess the situation, and if so, then this means that the decision is made on the basis of... psychopathic impulsive actions, and similar exacerbations can be

expected anywhere and at any time, including the use of operations under a foreign flag or the start of wars or hostilities in any point of the planet, planet earth, so the situation is very unpleasant, and first, what needs to be done is to at least listen to people like petraeus, who is able to understand... what is a combat confrontation and what are its prospects and whether it is possible to evaluate from the point of view of peacetime what is happening on the battlefield, when extremity and tension sometimes reaches of such a level that to objectively make a decision, especially to expect objectivity from such figures as putin and his clique, is simply wrong and a priori inadmissible, here we must act on the basis of... preventive, prejudicial actions. moreover, i can say that these things that we often hear,

including from president biden, including from president macron, chancellor scholz, are not about the need for retaliatory actions - this is a big mistake. in the conditions of the current high-speed war, priority should be given to preventive, preemptive steps, those it is more that today... in relation to the person and the state, which has proven its criminal actions, there is nothing to go through with the methods of preventive measures. events today ihor terekhov, the mayor of kharkiv, spoke on the sidelines of the berlin conference on the restoration of ukraine and said that the ukrainian army's strikes on missile launch sites on russian territory helped reduce the number of russian shelling of the city. let's listen to what terekhov said. as far as i know, there were hits, it was on a launcher

that was shelling the city of kharkiv, for us it is... very significant, and we can see that this break in the shelling, in my opinion, is also connected with the fact that there was an effective hit on the equipment that was shelling kharkiv. raman petrovych, our western partners have been debating for quite a long time whether to provide weapons that will hit the territory of russia or not. biden said that americans allow ukrainians to use their weapons at a distance of 200 miles, that is 320 km deep into the russian federation, how likely is the creation of this security zone on the border of ukraine and of russia in this 300 km zone, as far as it is

possible to create this sanitary zone. which putin once so dreamed of, but he wanted to do it on the territory of ukraine. can we create such a zone and will it protect ukraine for some time from the entry of russian troops into the territory of ukraine and shelling of artillery and s-300, s-400. well, it is definitely better to ask such questions to military specialists, they understand better. i just want to reply and comment. er, the answer to this question is simply as a politician, the point is that on at the current stage of the conversation on this topic, they testify to the fact that, well, such persons as the führer, of course, they are not capable of objectively assessing the situation, and such decisions are possible to implement at the moment when

there is a freeze, the so-called stable trench the war, when the parties are entrenched, they are not... neither to one nor to the other side, the dynamic war that exists now, in principle, does not allow such a factor, and it was clear even when this bald moscow führer began to speak in this topic, because in fact, if we talk about the range to date attack, there is no front line as such on the ground, because you can see from what distance rockets are launched on the territory of ukraine. which , including, fly all the way to the western borders, and this is no less a threat than armored vehicles and everything else from the point of view of offensive actions, and in this case , just the right tactics are needed, from my point of view , this discussion that is being conducted and it will not die in any way , to shoot, not to shoot and

so on, it is a headless, mindless, stupid business of the headquarters, and they have to... decide how, when and what to do, when on this topic politicians start talking and telling stories, you shoot there and you don't shoot there, and at the same time, in the information space, another american general on duty is telling how brilliant the ukrainian military is, that they are accurately shelling the enemy's territory, while having a shortage of these systems, and so skillfully do, well, it is clear that part of the people from... but to figure it out, but in such an information nightmare, where there is no understanding of strategy and tactics, this simply leads to an information pun, and it begins to play the role of such an information and psychological war, because the same biden and the same macron, or anyone, or the prime minister, resolutely, will not

undertake, i can cross myself, i can repeat this, they will not undertake to determine where , from what and how... it is necessary to shoot, because they are as military as i am, and why should the president of the united states of america secretly give or not give permission to shoot, well, from where can he answer this question, and also as a state the secretary says that we do not prohibit it, we recommend it not to do and so on, hence, from my point of view, the answer actually lies in the strategy, tactics of waging this war. achievement of intermediate, long-term, mid-term and long-term goals, then we can say that, where and how it can be applied, at the same time it is necessary to understand. that the troops must be provided with everything necessary to conduct successful combat operations, but our western partners say that we

will never allow the defeat of ukraine, because the defeat of ukraine will mean our defeat, but we talked about this with you on the air more than once, but our western partners do not say that they want the defeat of russia, so... that is, is it possible to prevent the defeat of ukraine without defeating russia, and without demilitarizing russia, without denazifying russia as it is. mr. serhiy, i will bear this until i hear it from the mouth of the president of france, the president of the united states of america, and the prime minister of great britain. the word defeat or victory, the word win or lose, whatever will be done, i will to evaluate as not quite adequate, but pay

attention to how you formulated the question correctly, they are talking about defeat, well, if they are talking about defeat, then cooperation, help, it is a joint action or whatever, it should correspond to the meaning of this word. victory over the racist regime, i.e. the defeat of the racist regime, not the words play, lose, win, let them play football, even european, even american, whatever, this is war, and in order to ensure victory, in this war , victory and for the enemy to be defeated, for this appropriate provision is necessary, including... an attack on the enemy's territory, if there is no such attack, then what kind of defeat can the enemy talk about in such a situation,

because one of the conditions for waging war, which is written in sunza's treatises, is the transfer of war to the territory the enemy well, but i hope that our western partners are still angry at the fact that putin must be defeated, that is, what do you think is holding our partners back from talking about his defeat, well, no , no, the banal answer is nuclear weapons, which are in putin, well, let's go, i would put the same nuclear weapons and the misunderstanding of the role it plays, but if from... to answer the question, what deters from active actions, the answer lies on the surface, this is actually the position, the electoral position of the voter, and

in this position, some, like orbán and fizo, are parasites, some, stuck in the election campaign, since in the united states of america one must say what one says, some, like . many world leaders simply hid under the bed, got stuck there somewhere and are sitting, waits for him to talk, make noise, make noise and so on, and some just pretend that he ignores this situation, this is roughly what the picture looks like, but the point here is not about someone and someone, the point is that in the current international relations there are leaders and there are those who are allies of these leaders. the situation depends on the position, first of all, of washington, the position of berlin, the position of london, paris, and the coherence of actions between these leaders, and

actually forms both the agenda and the rules for answering the question of whether it can be formed such a question may be, but at the same time it is necessary to show a certain will and, firstly, to convince one's own electorate that such decisions are extremely... necessary, and secondly, not to reflect on political events, as he did, in particular macron after the european elections, we have to finish, roman petrovich, thank you for the conversation, it was the politician and diplomat roman bezsmertny, friends, throughout the broadcast we are conducting a survey, we ask you about this, whether we are allowed to criticize the government during the war, 91% yes , 9% - no, there are discounts pred. represent unbreakable discounts on hepatrombin gel 15% in travel pharmacies for you and savings. there are discounts: unbreakable discounts on estezefin 20% in pharmacies under

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