of them will remain in those centers where our pilot aviation personnel are trained, these will be ukrainian planes that will be used to train our own pilots, so the number should not surprise anyone, there is a number that will go to ukraine, there is a certain number of planes that will be kept safe at secure air bases outside of ukraine, so that they are not targeted here, and this will be our reserve. if necessary to replace defective aircraft, for routine maintenance, that is, so that we can constantly to have a certain number of aircraft in the operational inventory, which will correspond to the number of pilots we will have, there will be more pilots, there will be more aircraft in ukraine, that is , today the calculations are made in such a way that we know how many pilots we will have, how many engineers there will be , how many airfield service personnel will be there, so we have... a certain number of prepared

airfields, and we know the number of planes that will come in first this year, we know how many will come in next year, that is, these plans are there, if somewhere a number sounded the 28th year, well, it was announced today, tomorrow it may be the 27th, then the 26th, it is unknown to us today, and maybe it is good that it is unknown, because from each conference... members of the aviation coalition, we will receive some more positive forecasts, more real numbers, more information that allows us to make this process systematic, well, actually, when the f-16s will appear in ukraine and how significant their number will be, well, let's say this, i think... that the first one who has the right

to say about it is the highest military and political management, i can only say that according to the existing plans, it will be this year, and what month, what day, tomorrow or the day after or in august, i think i am not qualified to comment on this, but according to the plans that are in there are us, this year ugh. should be in ukraine with f-16, let's leave this information intriguing for the russians, i think they should be the first to feel that f16 is in ukraine, how tangible the number will be, of course without numbers, but eh, aviation fights in pairs , units, squadrons, therefore... we

will start with a smaller one and build up, i i think that as a minimum we will definitely have a link, at least, well, although this is a minimum, there may be more. regarding the protection of airfields, how difficult is it to solve, the protection of the infrastructure for servicing f16 in the conditions of missile attacks, drone attacks, how is this issue solved, what are the problems here? the question is difficult. we have enough to protect ourselves from aerodynamic targets, and the airfields where we currently have aviation equipment are concentrated, this shows that almost every night they are attacked by dozens of drones, a lot of cruise missiles fly there, well winged ones not every night, but when they fly , at least 20 fly to the airfield, er, there is something

to repel, we know how to do it, the only thing missing is missiles, if there are no missiles, there is nothing to repel, even portable ones means, they are very, very useful, because if they, er, if mobile fire groups are armed with stingers, then simply these means of destruction that fly into the depths of ukraine, they will be destroyed already in flight, and therefore already then... it will be relatively safely in the depth that concerns, for example, to accommodate aircraft, contemporary, which we we expect in the form of logistical assistance, of course, these will be targets, this will be a very, very important target for the russians, they will try to get them and then promote themselves, look at us, we are already destroying them, they have not done anything yet, but we are already destroying them,

unfortunately, with ballistics today , the sumpty or the patriot can handle it, but the airfields must be covered with precisely these complexes that can... cope with ballistics, because with ballistics, unfortunately, if ballistics comes, the cassette part and the plane standing on an open platform, he as minimally damaged, er, if there is a er direct hit, even in a reinforced concrete storage, it does not save, it is pierced and the plane burns, so the biggest problem, it is the er cover of the air bases where the f-16 will be based, it is... there should be at least two batteries, it should be at least two nasa-type batteries in order to work on aerodynamic targets, on drones, as well as cover the patriot itself from them, and the means of direct cover there are

cheetah-type anti-aircraft gun installations, they also show their effectiveness against cruise missiles, against shahed, they work very well, that is, this is the... the minimum that is needed, this is active protection, i mean, passive protection is a fence, this, technical means, ee movements, there, well, that , so that some sabotage group does not penetrate, this is an ordinary fence, this is security from some specialized security, it goes without saying, but the biggest thing we fear is that the russians will not count the number of daggers and iskanders in order to hit f -16 at the airport. and the extreme question, which concerns gripens, has become active again in the public space of talking about it, are there plans to get these planes and how far are they,

shall we say, short-term plans? i will make absolutely no mystery here, back in 2018, when the vision of the future was written. of the air force, there were four types of aircraft that we would like to have in service to replace the old aircraft fleet, this is the f16, as the most massive aircraft, this is the gripen, the most philosophically modern aircraft, this is the eurofighter and this is the rafale, the choice was not by names, but by tactical and technical... by terms, operating conditions, by our quality of the airfield network, f16 was offered first, we are currently working on f16, building

the infrastructure for it, there are certain requirements related to this air intake, it is low and requires increased cleanliness of the airfield, eh... in second place we have gripi and all the requests to sweden have also been granted as well as the country that has the f-16, so has the country that has the gripin, it's just that the process is not a priority right now, but we are looking at getting those planes, so that this plane is also his own characteristics, and especially, what is important, very, very much for us... it will be simplified in that the infrastructure for it is already suitable, it is an aircraft that was produced according to the swedish deployment strategy, that is, it can use even ordinary roads, that is, it does not need any specialized coating, that is why it

also uses the entire line of western weapons, that is, everything that can be used on the f-16 can be used on gripins, so of course we... where on all platforms, where is it perhaps we are talking about the fact that we are interested in receiving, moreover, in the vision and already in the strategy that has been developed this year of development, it is also written that we would like to have f-16 and gripin aircraft in service. thank you, mr. general, for an interesting and thorough conversation and thank you for finding time for us. well, i would like to end this interview with a phrase that... we love and it is said by our commander, victory on the ground is forged in the air, we will have an advantage in the air, unequivocally, our fighter will carry the flag across the land

of victory all the way to the borders 91st year, together to victory, thank you. today in the verdict program with serhii rudenko. the air war is in full swing. russia carries out combined missile and drone strikes on... ukrainian infrastructure, but undergoes massive attacks on strategic objects in response, how will the long-awaited f-16s change the situation? will make russia pay now, the big seven will provide ukraine with about $50 billion in support at the expense of frozen russian assets. will the kremlin be able to respond to western sanctions symmetrically? the strongest. agreement for 33 years, security guarantees from the us

provide material support, response to future attacks and the path to ukraine's membership in nato. will trump be able to terminate the ten-year contract early? glory to ukraine, this is the verdict program, my name is serhiy. i congratulate everyone and wish everyone good health. for the next two hours , we will talk about ukraine, the world, the war, and our victory. let's talk about putin's next so-called peace initiatives, about the big foreign policy week , which focused on ukraine, and a lot more. today we will have three in the first part guests: veteran of the russian-ukrainian war oleksiy hetman, vasyl furman, member... of the board of the national bank of ukraine and doctor of economic sciences and political expert

volodymyr tsibulko. in the second part of our program, which will start in an hour, we will have journalists, my colleagues olga musafirova and andriy yanitsky. so, before we start our big talk, let's watch a video of how the russians tried to advance near ivan. in donetsk region, this time the enemy bmp-2 with the landing party tried to attack ukrainian positions, however unsuccessfully, the equipment effectively blew up on anti-tank mines. let's see how it all happened.

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it is possible for ukraine to win without the capitulation of putin, how would you answer this question? i think that it is impossible, because what then, what can be considered a victory? there can be victory only if russia, well, putin, russia capitulates or makes a decision, well, to withdraw the troops, well, that's why he can be overwhelmed option of surrender, recognition. the defeat of this war, the war, well, maybe the word capitulation is here, it is more comprehensive, well, if there was another word, then it would definitely be no without this word, but capitulation. i think that not everyone will answer that, well, like me, because the word surrender is hard to imagine for russia to capitulate, admit defeat, withdraw troops, well, this is not exactly surrender, well, here, you know, the question is posed so complicatedly on the whole, it seems simple, but in fact it is quite difficult, i think very much

it will be interesting to see how our viewers will vote, so we will see the results of this at the end of the program. vote, let's start our conversation tonight, when russia launched a combined strike, another combined air strike against ukraine, launching 30 missiles, including 14 missiles and 17 kamikaze drones, ukraine's air defense destroyed seven enemy missiles and 17 drones. as ilya yevlash, major of the armed forces of ukraine, spokesman says. of the air force of the armed forces of ukraine. russia uses combined air tactics strikes with regrouping and changing the directions of movement of missiles and drones. let's listen to ilya yevlash's assessment. they can add a different type, for example, a combat unit, yes,

increase or decrease it, depending on the task at hand. in addition, here... this night we saw how, for example, three groups of shaheds united in two, then ceased to exist, that is, this is a regrouping, and as we can see, this is also a change in the direction of movement, for example, the cruise missiles arrived today to western ukraine, to kolomyia, after which they turned around and flew back in the direction starokostiantyniv, i.e., such techniques with the use and change of heights, yes, they are constantly different. and from time to time, each attack is unique in its own way. mr. major, how have the tactics of the russians changed during shelling, massive shelling of the territory of ukraine during these two years of war? well, she, they, in the beginning they just did, let’s say, linear,

attacks, they used, they didn’t combine different for different missiles, ballistic... they used winged fighters, they didn’t combine with shaheds , they didn’t maneuver the missiles, they launched them so confidently that our vocational training cannot cope with them and that they will achieve the goal, these attacks that they are doing, well, these are things, well, the spokesman of the air force says correctly, but it is, well, it is necessary for him to say it, but although from a connecting point of view , these are obviously things, well, a cruise missile is for that's why the winged one is not ballistic, that it... it is not fast, unlike the ballistic one, but it maneuvers, and this is exactly its advantage, change of height, change of direction, full turn, just like shahedi, that's what he so said, it was worth paying attention to that they disconnect and connect, by the shahedis have a big account, well, not the shahedis, the disembodied flying praata have

to attack according to a certain tactic, and the tactic should be precisely grouping them into a certain combat formation. which will be as difficult as possible to defeat air defense equipment or our mobile groups, well, if one flies one after the other, then the second or third may fly by, they may not be able to catch him, well, there are many things, that’s all in the grand scheme of things, it’s tactics, well i am not sure that the statutes of war in the russian federation have already been changed, and tactics have been prescribed air attacks from incorporeal aircraft. but the tactics that used to be used before, when airplanes were used, this is exactly what, well, in russian, a raid, that is, simultaneously, when at the same time the same city, which was chosen as a target, is attacked by different, well, in combat statutes are written about

airplanes, different airplanes from different heights, from different directions, with different speeds, and this is the most difficult. carry out such raids for air defense, now the same applies , only not airplanes, but cruise missiles and cruise missiles and drones, well, shaheds, and well, it’s still there , as they say, ballistic missiles can also be added, the main thing is that they arrive, well, almost simultaneously or in certain waves, this also overloads ours, well , any, not ours , any anti-aircraft defense, therefore... to say that this is some know-how, this is some tactic, well, i taught such tactics, i studied them when i studied at an anti-aircraft missile school a long time ago, but it was the 80s, that is 40. years ago to consider that this was the latest tactic, then it was not the latest, well, there is no other, it’s just that sometimes many begins to say that there are some know-how, well, we

love these words so much, there is some meaning that we do not understand, there is a gigawatt, nanotechnology, something like that, know-how, what know-how, this is all known, this is all known, and it is already it was, as someone said, but but, mr. major, with the appearance of drones, the nature of the war changed to... maybe fifty shaheds and combining with missiles, ballistic treasures, and if it will be one target, well, like some, well, i don’t want to name the city or any target on our territory, it will be the most difficult, the most difficult to defend it and... and it will not succeed 100% to fight back, well, there are no anti-tank systems that destroy 100%, we already have an indicator for the destruction of missiles and shaheeds, well, shaheeds are almost

100%, here, in general, this is a unique situation, but the percentage of ballistic missiles is high, well, it has fallen a little, well, not because we began to work worse with combat calculations, because we did not have, well, there were no missiles for a certain time, our percentage corresponds to the tactics and techniques. characteristics and even exceeds those that are laid in various anti-aircraft missile complexes, well, to be clear, according to the tactical and technical characteristics of anti-aircraft of the patriot missile complex, it has a probability of impact of 0.7, i.e. 70%, simply put, out of 10 missiles it shoots down seven, this is a patriot, well, it is with one missile, so the air is often targeted, meaning missiles and, well, cruise missiles and ballistic missiles, are attacked by two or even three missiles, then the probability... increases, well, almost up to 90 percent or more, so there is nothing unexpected here, well, we know how to fight

such raids, we know what to do in response, this is also written down and written down quite a long time ago, there is already someone here, who will be better to use his technique, who will more accurately adhere to the tactics that are prescribed, well, let's say one more time about this that... she does not fight according to know-how, she fights according to the protocols, according to the prescribed combat statutes, because they are prescribed, as they say , blood, and you don't need to invent something, you need to use what is prescribed in a timely and correct manner and act according to the situation and use exactly the tactics and exactly the weapons that, well, if there are any, that are most useful in this situation, no one is there nothing sits and no let's not, we haven't tried it already, there's no need, there's no need to try. it is necessary to carry out what is prescribed in the combat statutes and, most importantly , to carry out clearly so that each and every link of this unit fulfills its functions, well , at least 90%, then, then the goal is achieved,

mr. major, so it is, it is so, unfortunately, or luckily it looks like a rule is a rule, a statute is a statute, everything is clear, you say everything clearly here, let’s talk about the situation that is developing at the front, because new york... tans writes about the fact that the russian army is gearing up for a major offensive in the coming weeks to derail any military gains by ukraine and spoil nato's 75th anniversary celebrations during the alliance's summit in washington next month. at the same time, in may, russia lost up to a thousand soldiers and casualties every day in the kharkiv region, but russia was still unable to create a buffer zone in the kharkiv region, as putin stated and writes about. ukrainian truth with reference to an unnamed nato official, i will quote the publication. the gains in the kharkiv region seem to have gone to russia quite expensive. russia probably

suffered losses of almost a thousand people per day in may, which is quite an astronomical figure. thus, in the end , russia's victories in this direction will be limited. how do you, mr. mayor, assess the current situation after ukraine was allowed. hit western weapons on the territory of the russian federation, did this curb the appetites of the russians and their offensive, in particular in the direction of kharkiv, and near kharkiv or on kharkiv they fired from s300s and 400s, some installations there were destroyed after as our western partners actually told us, yes, what is happening there now, well, the appetite has not decreased, they are up to... let's go in order to be able to win, well, first of all, well, not first of all, maybe you can't say that , first of all, we need to understand that the war

will not end quickly, and we have to gradually... squeeze, overwhelm the enemy, will they try to make the next, next waves, well, now we want positivization again, vydyksya bears great losses, no these are big losses for him, he can mobilize an even bigger one the number of people they lost in the month of may, we counted about 39 thousand military personnel, 41 thousand were added from their reserves, that is, we killed 39, in the dry for... as they say, plus 2. well, 39 were destroyed, it was added, well, these are huge losses, if, if you even look at it for us on the official data, even how much the soviet union on official losses, if you count, then it is three years, three afghanistans, conditionally or four, it is necessary, it is necessary to compare this war with the second world war, it cannot be compared with afghanistan, and if we take the second world war, then these losses are

what uh, well, the second world war there were losses, if you count them on a daily or monthly basis, they were no less, even more, this is a war, a full-scale war, it is more similar, after all, it is closer to the second world war , than before the afghan war or any other war there, those wars can be considered, well, even the israeli wars, or the vietnam wars, or the korean wars, they are more or less local conflicts, everything is complete there. a large-scale war in europe, the like of which has not been seen since the second world war, and the losses they will renew, yes sooner or later it will end, sooner or later, i just said about this, that it is early, but to hope that it will be easy and simple, well, it is not worth it, will they have it, will they be able to increase their offensive actions, they will be able to, it is not very good news from north, south korea to see north korea, from south korea

to see, north... kore shipped up to 5 million shells to russia, well, i very much doubt that this is true, but even if such information is already not very good , it may be less, but we know that north korean shells, artillery shells, are meant, they not very high-quality, not everyone is certified there, but if there are at least a few million shells, russia is so superior in the number of shots, there are also additional shells, this can increase by... maybe even three times their shelling for a certain time, then this it can be considered as a part of that offensive, the strengthening of that offensive, which the russians themselves say, the analysts say, the west is not ours, that they are grouping together is quite possible, but regarding kharkiv oblast, well, they did not plan to capture kharkiv, because those powers that be

people's forces and means were used there. it was roughly the same as during the storming of avdiivka, well , avdiivka is, well, the bakhmuts, well, this is a city of 30,000 people and a city of a million people, well , of course, they couldn't and didn't plan to, because they're not stupid, we always want to consider them somehow, yes the orcs are there and so on, all the words, but they, they're heavy and they wouldn't plan a military action to take the city, using the forces that are for that... well, that are not enough for that, are they going to try further in kharkiv oblast, sumy oblast, i think they will, they are raising reserves in both sumy oblast and kharkiv oblast, what will happen in sumy oblast, it is hard to say yet, maybe it will be something similar to kharkiv oblast, but in kharkiv, yes, they, they want to get as close as possible to this city. at the distance of an aimed artillery shot from the barrel artillery in order to try to turn the city into a gray zone or simply to keep it in tension and provide a function.

to provide a normal city to all structures, all, well, everything that is in the city, in order for it to function, all the infrastructure, they they will try, if not to destroy, then to keep them under tension, because during artillery shelling, no one even announces an air alarm, because well , an air alarm, a missile flew, they saw, maybe there is little time, but artillery shots can be suddenly any which... according to official sources, well, those who have acquaintances also know that relatively good fortifications have already been built a few kilometers behind that front line in the kharkiv region, and most likely, if they will climb, then let's not just cling to the fields like that in the field.