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the boredom of life on a quad bike for the 93rd brigade of kholodny yara in the direction of chasiv. politclub, direct ether, we are back, and we already have the next guest, this is volodymyr o. gryzko, diplomat, minister of foreign affairs of ukraine in 2007-2009, head of the russian research center, mr. volodymyr. we are glad to welcome you, good evening, congratulations, i congratulate you, mr. andrii, i congratulate you, mr. vitaly, good hello everyone, mr. volodymyr, i would like to start a conversation with you, probably from these speeches of putin yesterday, his conversations yesterday, the messages that russia itself is ready for negotiations, but we know on what terms, the rejection of the course towards the north atlantic alliance to nato. and

the de facto recognition that russia controls how many of the five regions of ukraine in their entirety, which are supposedly spelled out in its constitution. what is this, a farce, raising rates, or the real position of putin, that he will fight, as they say, to the last? no, it's just further exacerbation of the disease, there is no need, no need to exaggerate the importance. all this political delusion that sounded yesterday, you know, i spent an hour and 20 minutes yesterday to listen and make sure that this disease is really getting worse, well, remember, he used to be a world-famous historian and spoke historical delusion, yesterday he became a world-famous constitutionalist and spoke delusions about the constitution of ukraine. and it looked so shameful,

so school-like, so much it is unconvincing that even that audience that was sitting, listening to him, you know, also, by the way, an interesting moment, she listened to him with, if you paid attention, with such petrified fearful eyes and physiognomy, because well, people who gathered there, these are actually people who are able to think sometimes, so when they sometimes think, they understand what kind of... catastrophe is pushing russia and themselves into, this wretched, wretched emperor, that is, well, look, now you are also showing some people are just terrified of what they are they hear, well, because this delusion has already existed, well , more than than one could imagine, or skepticism, or fear, and these are people, sorry, this is not from the street, this, these are diplomats of the highest level, this... people who have seen a lot on their

way, so i will tell you frankly, there is no need to respond to these so-called messages, it is an exacerbation of the disease, and you know, i am ... as a person who is still involved in this country, i see that it is turning into a kind of, you know, festering appendix of world civilization, and here the question arises, what is really to be done, because if nothing is done, he it will break and blood infection will begin, and the body can simply, well, simply die, or it must be removed, and here already ... only surgery can help, but it seems to me that we need to explain to our western friends that this is the situation, already through conversations , declarations and everything else, well , it is impossible to do without, here we need a real surgical operation to remove this, well

, appendix, which threatens the whole body, and we can come to the point that, after all , the west... will be aware of your words about that surgery is needed, what is needed solve this issue not simply, conventionally speaking, as it is being solved now, but really by some kind of dismantling, perhaps of this state entity? well, not yet, mr. andrii, while crossing the bridge to today’s event, i listened to the speech of the president of switzerland before the opening, she is there... it’s just, well, it seems to me, well, she’s giving passports to russia, which you just can’t give, she says that the main purpose of this meeting, this conference today and tomorrow, will be to prepare the ground for ukraine and russia to sit down at the negotiating table,

well, you can imagine what a child, what a child's naivety, well, just a level, well, really a decimal no no no... more, later on, children are also becoming a little smarter, this is what switzerland sees as the meaning of... of all this work, well, it's good that there are other countries that look at the situation a little differently, and which have just demonstrated both at the g7 summit and at the rish. on the european integration of ukraine and moldova, what about other ways to bring this war criminal to mind, well , as for surgery, so far

it is difficult, so far it is not, it is not becoming mainstream, let's talk about it sincerely and objectively, well, but once upon a time... and obtaining the patriot system was considered a flight into space , and at the same time unrealistic, everything must be started to talk about everything, about everything we need to start discussing and gradually putin will help our western allies and partners to come to the right conclusion, i am convinced of this, in principle, do you see any real changes in the position now? measures that are not only from a military point of view, but also from a diplomatic, political, economic point of view it's coming, you read the communique of the group of seven summit that was made public yesterday, you see in this very document the contradictions, well, i see mr. vitaly, the contradictions in what is happening in

general, well, look, what was agreed, that russian money will be used in... in the war against russia - this is a su of the european union, that's all, that that the americans finally gave 60 billion dollars to the central security service, and... that we are getting modern weapons - this is su, sorry, so if you add all this to the pile, then it is sub. if we're talking

about the global peace summit, it started today, at least its first phase, 56 heads of state, basically. are present, the first statements are there, the first talks, if we evaluate him, the qualities, the first steps, your assessment? are they positive for ukraine or less positive, and what do you expect in this case from the following days, from tomorrow and from the final result of this summit? well, you know, my expectations are not exaggerated, i see the main meaning here is that 100 countries and organizations, and this is still... the majority of the modern world responded clearly and clearly to

the ukrainian proposals, and this is a great positive, it means , that ukraine managed to unite the majority of the civilized world around its ideas, that is, from a political point of view, this is an obvious success, and i would not in any way belittle what ukrainian diplomats and ukrainian diplomacy as a whole did at all levels, that is... that which is simply not the case is being done, i will tell you, as a professional diplomat, it is a colossal job, it is a colossal effort, but today there is a beautiful political result, that is, if you go from the reverse, from what we just talked about in relation to russia, it is a diplomatic disaster for moscow, because everything she wanted to do to thwart actually backfired on her. because the thesis that the rich will gather and speak against the poor, it

absolutely does not work here, because there are representatives from everyone, everywhere, as they say, from latin america, from africa, from asia, from oceania, from australia, from the nordic countries, that is, the whole world is represented, yes, some came, some did not come, but believe me, such a gathering... uh, well, i don't remember, in recent years, maybe even and a decade for such gatherings to take place, regarding the continuation of these things, and what it will end, the declaration will end, it will end with the fact that, well, the countries that will want to join immediately will do it at the conference, those that will think will do it later, but here ... in this part, i think that you shouldn't expect anything extraordinary, well because look, the general assembly already

last year and the year before last passed resolutions that were supported by over 140 countries, all the absolutely correct things are written there, i think that in this statement, well, many of them will just be repeated, and what, from this the russian federation stopped... the war against ukraine, absolutely not. therefore, i would not hope that the russian position will change from the text of this conference, absolutely not, i will tell you more, the russian delegation will not come to the next summit, well, because it is necessary to be, again, very naive to imagine that now we will write down what needs to be done, and then... a conditional lavrov or someone else will come there, take it from our hands, take

a visor and say: i went to do it. well, it's just not understanding the essence of what the russian mentality is, what the russian practice is, and so on and so forth. therefore , let's not rush ahead, let this summit pass, let it show that the civilized world and the world that wants to live according to the normal rules of international law, its majority, we will continue. i hope that it will be possible to work, but i repeat once again, to think that this will be a prologue to a comprehensive peace, well, for some reason, i have great doubts about this subject. well, by the way, before this summit they already said that russia will try to do something alternative with the help of china, to gather someone, and there was a meeting of the foreign ministers of the brics member countries, but it turned out that there is no unity in this organization. regarding such a question, which could, which could foresee some joint document, some joint serious

position, and even lavrov after this summit began to say that russia does not have an alliance with china and north korea. yes, mr. vitaly, you understand, here as, if you take, a russian classic, the non-commissioned officer's widow carved herself, well, because what was the main thesis, russia, you see, brics is expanding. the classics, this is gogel, maybe he just mocked them like that, well, well, maybe so, let's, let's be like this, what am i leading to, what was the russian idea? now we will gather half the world under the brics hat and show it these damned damned imperialists have shown kuskinu's mother to themselves because you are absolutely right, they cannot achieve unity, well, because how can you achieve unity between china and india, well , you have to be a genius strategist to

drag such countries under one roof and think that after that you can achieve something. well, that's brilliant. well, i think that the initiator of this idea should be given an order for stupidity, if they, if they think about some of their interests of a global nature, that's why it's actually here, it's from the very beginning stillborn story, there won't be any common currency, there won't be any common positions, it's absolute absolute delusion and delusion, but for propaganda it will work and... russians will think that they are big and they have united under their tent , half of the world, half of the south, half of the east and so on and so on, but to no avail. another topic i wanted to talk about with you is the g7 summit itself, it took place

literally the day before, ukraine also took part in it, in fact it was signed there security agreement between ukraine and the united states of america, by the way, it was also mentioned there that the g7 countries agree to use russian funds frozen for ukraine, for our advancement, so to speak, in the fight against the russian aggressor within the framework of the war. if we are talking about this summit, how successful was it and how... can it be compared to such great successes of our diplomacy? yes, this is a joint success, i think, mr. andriy, a joint success of us and the countries of the seven countries, because you see, return situation in such a way as to help ukraine

with russian money, well, this, this is really, this, this is classy, ​​classy, ​​classy. the game would say, and here we can only thank those who decided to punish russia in this way, it is true that it is only the first step, let's be honest again, this is not what we expected, but perhaps our expectations in this regard were somewhat overpriced, because we wanted everything at once, well, unfortunately, it does not happen, but it is very powerful. a step forward, it means that the taboo on the topic of using russian has been lifted money for ukraine, and these 50 billion, like loans to ukraine, we need them like air today, because it closes our problems with the budget for this year and maybe even for

the next, and it gives the opportunity to buy additional weapons. which we need today, as we well understand, like the same air, so this is a double success, and therefore i believe that, well, this summit in this context will go down in history as a consolidation of the western elites, the western world against russia, so i repeat once again, this is a court, and please tell me mr. volodymyr, in your opinion, will it come to confiscation itself? one day we will wait for such a turn of events, don’t you really believe in it, well, for now i’ll tell you honestly, i don’t really believe it, although, well, from experience, i’ll tell you honestly, mr. vitaliy, that if you methodically and long-term focus on one point, then after all, you achieve some kind of result, and since this first

step has already been taken and psychologically the western countries have agreed to use it. in fact , russian money, then with the correct organization of work and with the correct selection of arguments on our part, first of all, and you you know that a whole team of our lawyers is working to convince the western partners to continue, but it still seems to me that there is a chance for success, and the numbers speak for themselves, you see, we call the numbers... . losses of 700 billion dollars tere 1 trillion, the world bank there talks about almost 500 billion, these are sky-high, sky-high amounts, so one way or another , we will have to look for where to get them from and why, say, our western partners should pay for it, and not russia, well, where is the logic here, and i

think for many western partners precisely this approach is very profitable, because they tell their voters: dear friends, we will not touch your money, we will touch the money of the aggressor, and it is fair. i would also like to ask about myself... this is probably one of the most pleasant news this week for ukraine, because the united states of america has imposed sanctions against a number of legal entities and individuals of russia, china, and, by the way, a number of other states. mr. volodymyr, when should we expect the consequences, or are these consequences already in fact in russia and, by the way, in china? well you you know, i think that we have already seen the first consequences, or rather, the first consequences, and they, even russian

television channels show them, are long queues at exchange offices, because a blow to the moscow stock exchange, well , you know, such a blow to the breath, well, but it was, well, i i think that should be expected for moscow, especially... after it began to threaten the united states of america and western europe that it will put weapons in the hands of terrorists who will strike on their territories, well, they threatened, waved ee with the next nuclear and non-nuclear sticks there, well, they received a blow to the breath, which can definitely be very, very painful ee for the russian economy, because eh... sorry, even now, when they are talking about the fact that the dollar can jump from 80 there are eight, up to 200 rubles, well

, what kind of economy can withstand such and such blows, the truth is, it will all happen in another month, the sanctions will take effect exactly in my opinion there on july 12. but it is already clear that the panic in russia has gone, so you know, it seems to me that with such pointed but very painful blows the west shows putin that if you continue to play these completely idiotic games of yours , excuse me, it will be more expensive for you, so, if, from yes... if the russian economy starts to sink first, and then collapse, well, then there is no what

to fight, because war requires crazy funds. but if we talk about these sanctions from the point of view of the fact that they are introduced against chinese companies as well, is this also a certain reason? it seems to me, mr. vitaly, that it is the americans who are here, so far... that, after all, they are trying to act not so harshly and straightforwardly, as in relation to russia, but with these , so far, not too broad sanctions against china, they are simply hinting transparently, dear chinese friends, if you want to have some kind of normal relations with us, then let's pay attention to what... to do what you are doing is not worth it, because the sanctions will affect you too. so far it's not working, i'll be honest with you, my impression is that so far china has stuck to its

pro-russian position, and the fact that there's not even a single chinese representative in any capacity at this conference shows that they in one boat, uh, but it's a matter of time, i think that, uh,... including the political consequences of this summit now in switzerland , china should have the same effect, he should understand that he finds himself together with russia in isolation, and this is not what it claims as a country that wants to play any, well , serious, serious roles in world politics. thank you for your expert opinions. volodymyr ogrysko, diplomat, minister of foreign affairs, in 2007-2 ninth years, head of the russian research center, we are currently in direct contact with tetyana vysotska, a correspondent of the espresso tv channel,

is in... by the way, in switzerland at the global peace summit. tatiana, good evening. greetings, greetings from switzerland. greeting. so, tatiana, what is happening now in bürgenstock, what are your impressions of the general atmosphere of this meeting? now, just these minutes , the plenary meeting is being broadcast on the big screens, finally, which has started, it started somewhere... about an hour ago, the leaders are speaking in turn , it will last a very long time, considering the fact that foreign countries are represented at this summit in the number of 100 delegations, of which 92 states and eight international organizations, that is, it is such a powerful event and very interesting, because we can see the opinion of each individual state that participates in this summit, as to how

this summit should be held, which ... this is how the peace process should be formed, and it is also interesting what the leaders of one or another country think about the possible participation of russia in this summit, because, for example, today the ukrainian delegation once again clearly stated that ukraine and russia are at the table of change don't sit down ready, and the fact that yesterday, for example, there were news about the fact that in some form russia may participate in the next satellite, today to journalists, ukrainian, by the way, to a magazine. of which there are a lot here, there are more than 40 of us here, and ihor zhovkva, the deputy minister of foreign affairs, came to us, and he once again said that ukraine will not hold direct negotiations with russia now, but nevertheless, if not if, but when the states members of this great peace initiative who are here now, who may join later when they will form this very road map of the peace process, based, as he insists: after all

, on the 10 points of the peace formula, zelenskyi's peace formula, when this document is already formed, then it can be brought to the attention of the russian federation, but not in the way that putin will to sit at the negotiating table next to macron, funderly and zelensky, and this will be done through some mediators, or for now this format is being discussed, that is , so far it cannot be said that there is any decision that russia will be in a certain way.. . and there were some already resonant statements, or some actually interesting things that our international partners, leaders of other states spoke about, or some speeches were already made before the actual community of this summit, something, something so

interesting that... actually, about what what could be said now, and what could now be considered a fait accompli at this peace summit? well, first of all, it is worth noting that it is an established fact that the summit is still successful, that, because it represents all corners of the world, that is, all continents are represented here on the website, actually all, almost all the most powerful states, as the previous guest of the studio said correctly, there is no china, there is no russia, they are in a certain isolation, all the others have come, even brazil, which is actually a co-author of the alternative, alternative peace plan of the region, brazil is represented here at the summit in in the form of an observer, that is, the summit can really be called successful in this planning, as far as the statements are concerned, it is also interesting to note,

for example, that the organizer sa... switzerland, which is a neutral state, constantly in all the speeches of the swiss side, the side the organizers emphasize that the peace process is impossible without the participation of russia, that is, switzerland is constantly pushing in this way , somehow even pushing a little to involve russia in the negotiations, but for example, here i am before joining the fonderlein studio, the president of the european commission , listened to the performance. vice president of the united states canale paris. i listened to the speech of olaf scholt, a federal woman. none of them said that russia should be a full participant in the negotiations, on the contrary, they said that russia, the aggressor, should be punished. that is, there is here, among the participants of the summit, there are, so to speak, different approaches, yes, different opinions, and this is why you are running this site, so that people...