it is possible to hold such a forum, because these are clearly not equal, not relative values, to arrange this for billions, as it was in st. petersburg, when the president of zimbabwe and the president of bolivia were imprisoned together with the führer of moscow, and this was the highest achievement, i i'm not touching now, no, well , zimbabwe is one story, and the people's republic of china is another story. and they justify their non-appearance in switzerland by the fact that they see the creation of such a platform on which the victim country and the aggressor country would be represented, this is me is worrying, because this is beijing's official position, and we understand that some countries will try to listen to or play out similar stories, we understand that this is not only a matter of pressure, but also a matter of, so to speak, so -called countermeasures on the part of china, which may ... to strengthen, for example, economic and not

only economic support for moscow, may not do it, but it will undoubtedly affect the negotiation, so-called or diplomatic process, what do you think, it can be reflected in specific decisions for ukraine, in particular , when we talk about possible pressure, or about the possible supply of some additional weapons, well, as an alternative, aviation is the same. mr. andin, the fact is that china has a very narrow maneuver, and it comes out - not from relations with moscow or relations with ukraine, this maneuver is narrow because of the relations between washington and beijing, and even these sanctions, which are now the ministry of finance of the united states the united states of america was announced, and they are very long, with long arms, and in fact, pay attention, two months, you and i for this... we were somehow talking

two months, as janet allin warned, she was in beijing, secretary of state blinkin was also in beijing, they explained that do not do this, do not finance the enterprise, do not supply dual technologies, no, as it was already said there, if it is not will be stopped, there will be sanctions, these sanctions hit everyone, china, saudi arabia, the united arab emirates. of the states of central central asia, this is tajikistan, kyrgyzstan, uzbekistan, turkmenistan, and so on, through which it is even american and british, french the equipment went to russia, in principle, this can seriously undermine the financial and currency sector of russia, i am not talking about the it sector, because it will actually lose the possibility of obtaining the volumes it provides. because this is connected not so much with

china's ability to supply to russia, but with china itself, because if the united states of america blocks lending, but stops enterprises there, i'm not talking about the supply of technology there, because the first question is when during the visit of helen and blinken was that china uses advanced american technologies in order to then deliver them there in the form of microcircuits. to russia, the same question was raised there, so the current steps, as if they were delayed until the third decade of september, so that in china these smart and not so smart people would sit there and think about what to do next, because china is already in this way in the stage of stopping with the increase of the gross national product, and therefore the situation there is not difficult, therefore there is no

such maneuver in china that we can talk about, but as an answer, here is what i would i wanted to emphasize, as an answer, why not go to switzerland, as an answer, it could interfere with such a level, but it is unlikely that there can be an own initiative of training on our own, we are fighting now , 160 invitations were invited there by the president... switzerland said that there would be 90, but if you look in that direction, how many invitations will there be, well, 50, how many will come, well, five or six, well, 10 from the strength of those who are spinning there, and that is on the same level as zimbabwe and no more, that's the whole answer, and it's not so much china's position that's important here, it's important here position, whether the führer of moscow will give an indication to do this, because you understand, the scale... the inflated scale of the st. petersburg

economic forum, and it was just a movie, all these numbers, stories about foreign guests, concluded investment agreements, that's it. .. henna, the world was released, but it was spent, even in the graph the funds were spent, even in the report, there is no figure in the report, because it is clear that huge resources were used here, especially for inflating the information cushion, so i do not see the possibility of such a level to make an event, that's how switzerland is doing for ukraine, i agree roman petrovych, but why does the führer constantly repeat his mantra. about their butsimba readiness for peace and repeats about the istanbul agreements, which were not ratified, they were not even signed, there, if there were any negotiations, then in words, and we understand that the russian position was unacceptable for the collective of the west, but

the führer is constantly turning, turning and walking in circles and voicing, voicing, to whom he is addressing all this matter, you understand, for mr. antin, for russia... for moscow, especially for of this racist führer, for him negotiations are an instrument of war, it is not an instrument of appeasement, it is an instrument of war, and therefore the achievement of any pause, and god forbid there is somewhere in some way a retreat from sanctions, this will be clearly his victory, therefore he and spins this roach, any dialogue in the current situation is real, not conversations about him, because these are conversations, these are conversations. unconscious and ignorant, those who can bite, it's like bait for fish, well, fish are brainless, but people , they at least some, well, not all, however, have brains that are able to read it, so in general these are not conversations, not about negotiations, not about

making a decision, these are conversations as a tool of war, and he will conduct them, he will always make fools of his own and other people's heads, and here, and here , the situation is the same, here... it is clear, whose head fools more, his own or others, we already understand very well that there will be absolutely nothing to be gained from this, well, for now there are still those in europe who believe in this, but what can be done with him, and it is, it is true, that there is, but there are already those who realized perfectly, this is the first and second, let's imagine for today all these 15 packages sanctions, sanctions of the united states of america, yes, it will take more than a century to get rid of it, you just understand, from the back . there is absolutely no such process, are you pro-sanctions or pro-military? i am pro-military, there is no turning back, but i am trying in this coordinate system, well, after all, i have lived my life working, and do you remember, one by one, there was a correction that

was in ukraine, so we fought with it and did not they knew from which side to approach it, but now this complex, these armed forces, this system, which is already configured... well, it will not go back, because, mr. antin, billions of turnover of business, finance, and resources are involved here today, moreover, the russian economy is built today on the basis of the military industry, so remove these inflated artificial figures of the so-called growth from the military industry, that’s it, there is no such economy, and it is now it depends on what, on the military-industrial complex, there is no turning back in russia from here, but... and if we understand it, we understand it, then look, they meet in st. petersburg, well, this is a movie, they meet in berlin, they are talking about what, where to take the patriots, where to take the larch, what, where to take ammunition and so on, and somewhere over there,

somewhere over there in a corner, and what will we do when peace comes, somewhere in a corner, you understand, when 90... conversations at the conference on reconstruction are devoted to weapons, that is, it is already about objectively, people understand that this is the number one issue on the agenda, then the topic of restoration is the topic of hope, what kind of hope the conference gives to people in europe and ukraine and so on, but there is still a situation on the front line, there is still a situation with an attack , a barbaric, aggressive attack by the russians on... kharkiv, that is they demonstrate their readiness and there is a response from the west, i.e. permission to strike at russian interventionists who are preparing to attack on russian territory, i.e. we understand that this is a very powerful military signal from the west, as well as the issue of aviation, the minister of defense of the kingdom of the netherlands

promised us that f-16 planes will be already this summer, and there is also a french signal about mirages, so this summer we can. i am convinced that time is currently the only barrier in this regard, including... i already told you more than once, the entry of the countries we are talking about, our partners, into this war is a matter of time, and it is connected with the fact that the democracy of the civilized world, it has its own decision-making and implementation mechanisms , including these airplanes, and i'm not saying the service system, but pay attention, behind the current conversation about airplanes, there is a deep conversation... about tanks, yes, about abrams, and so on, as it is now

being conducted, yes, we gave the ukrainians armored vehicles, but we provided them with service, we provided service systems, and therefore from both there is such a technological discussion going on between the two sides, hence from my point of view, everything you and i are talking about, it by no means, in such a tiny dose, does not lead to the fact that... the question of negotiations may arise, that is moreover, in the current situation, in the current situation, the economy of russia, which is launched military-industrial, it shows them, as it were, that this is their salvation, in fact, this is the death of russia, the world today is watching this closely and looks at the moscow führer as if. .. that is, what happened, he thought that at the height of the economic and

based on the connections he has with the world, he will not be able to oppose himself to the whole world and skip this period, now everything is the opposite, now the world is more and more grouped around ukraine, the potential for involving forces in this war is growing, technology is growing, so, well, where is the back way, here i am trying. well, even to move, conditionally speaking, to the side of those who say that it is possible, and what the führer would offer, well, if we hypothetically take into account that he can make certain trade offers, it is clear that not to us, and it is clear that one does not want to talk about switzerland publicly, perhaps through intermediaries, but at one time switzerland and austria were used by the soviet union, so to speak, and not only by the soviet union, but also by the reich, like certain countries where... . it is possible to have certain conversations, and accordingly, what the führer can suggest is that such a narcissistic

person has a peculiarity, they are not able to objectively evaluate realities, they live in a virtual world, therefore, in order to offer some real mechanisms, in that including real ones written by literate people, the foreign office, and the new york times, the washington post, there were a number of recipes like ours... you can do it, no, it is impossible for him to apply it, because he cannot objectively assess the situation, that is, those who watched there fragments of st. petersburg, he understands that this person lives in another world, this is his world, which is not present today in 99%, including his compatriots, and therefore it does n't matter to him how many hundreds of thousands will die, how many will be maimed and so on, that's it his... world, but now let's imagine that he flies like

a lord in this totalitarian world, here and there some scholz, macron, biden walk the earth and even allow a discussion among themselves, you can imagine this psychopath, as he it looks, that is , it is obvious to me that the topic of russia and the topic of solutions... the situation, it is in only one: in the defeat of russia, in its capitulation, complete capitulation, another option, that someone there will come to his senses and say, what can we do, but what about you, it's basically impossible, from here, if you want to evaluate a person, whether he has a healthy head or not, as soon as he said that with russia you can sit down at the table and talk about something, be afraid of such... people, it means that they simply cannot objectively give an assessment of the situation , well, this moscow

psychopath can’t, and especially his clique, well, they are like sows, they are already there around him, and they, you see, they already have this instinct to bite everything that is so developed around them, in order not to simply to bite, and to serve this führer, as far as i understand, the scenario before us is difficult, questions of our resourcefulness, that is, the event will... help us with money, technologies, weapons and possibly instructors, that is, from this review , we have a certain quite powerful support, there is also a story with the person. there will be no way for the west to enter this war, not because the west wants to help ukraine or not , the fact is that the current process will lead to the fact that this psychopathic person will strike nato countries. these are the statements that he has made lately, that you are there, that you are not

in good memory, that you represent yourself a war between russia and nato, remember the conversations in 2010, remember the conversations later in 2018 and so on. this is a psychopathic person for whom such statements are not a position, it is an announcement of his actions. and that's the only way it should be perceived. i do not want to list the facts of violations of the territorial air there. space, maritime space, which are currently happening in the baltic sea and so on, what russia is currently creating on the border there with finland, i am not talking about what is happening on the belarusian-polish border, because everyone thinks that it is over there some migrants there, well, the migrants there seem to have killed a polish soldier, those who

think so are in vain, they think so in vain, these are absolutely lies, planned provocations, the essence of which was much greater, and we still do not know with you what happened when the poles focused all their attention on this point, what was happening in other places on this border, and so on, what was happening in other parts. the current process, which is being investigated in the czech republic, belgium, poland, france, and germany regarding russian residency, has shown such pitfalls in the security system european, it showed such a strong integration. european political forces into the fsb system, if this is brought to its logical conclusion, it will reveal not only serious failures in the system of european countries, including the nato system, so i do not see how much more

information will come out, because the language in confrontations between nato and russia are now not only due to... the fact that nato does not understand something, nato understands everything perfectly, nato sees where führer moskovsky is moving, nato perfectly understands how many agents today in the national security systems of the nato countries, it is already coming out completely, and you understand that with such dynamics to say that it can be solved sitting at the negotiating table, well, it is necessary, it is simply necessary to be an inadequate person. what situations ok, mr. roman, we are talking about the situation in our country, yes, because the western allies are ready to supply us with everything except personnel, we understand that certain processes are ongoing in us, the implementation of the draft law, which began on may 18, we see certain information- psychological operations, sociology demonstrates a certain weariness of society

and so on. on the other hand, i don't know what the actual situation is with the enemy, but putin also did not take... public additional mobilization steps, maybe he will do it this fall, maybe he won't, but will continue to simply buy recruits , yes, in certain countries, additional personnel will be recruited, also for money, but how should we be in that situation? well, judging by what the führer says and judging by how the number of recruiting companies is increasing abroad, the situation there is unpleasant, but... ah, it's such a thing. mr. antin, the situation is not about who has more resources, ukraine or russia. and so it is clear that manpower is more in russia, because there are 100, almost 140 million people. everyone understands this very well. that's not the point. the thing is, this polarization that's going on, that i'm

paying attention to, that's dividing the world, it's forcing both sides to be everything. and more closely, this will lead to the fact that the topic of personnel, it will be resolved due to the fact that this closeness and the need to protect one one thing, it will be so high that the topic of personnel, it will be resolved, i will emphasize this once again, it is a question of time, what is time filled, the answer to this question was given long ago by both mark milli and zaluzh... in that , in that article: a technological leap, everything was described in great detail there, well , you understand how it is in our country, then a person who was supposedly appointed, but not... appointed at all, left, everything she said, and there are four points, the first, they are the most important, what can be compensated for this manpower, which

incomparable only technological growth, it is interesting that when i was studying the situation at the st. petersburg conference, i came across an article by the former chairman of the verkhovna rada of crimea konstantinov. who writes that in the current situation, ukraine is radically changing its technological approach to conducting operations, and this radically increases its chances, i do not know who wrote this to him, or if someone told him these things, but in fact mark milli and zaluzhny, actually they responded to this problem of inequality of resources, and inequality. a technological leap in order for the ukrainian armed forces to have more chances, the range, respectively, the current

maneuvers that are being conducted, they gave permission, they did not give it, this is the result of the lack of strategy, you and i have talked about this topic 100 times, i want to emphasize once again, if there is no clearly defined goal, these conversations, whether they gave permission or did not give permission, will be conducted from morning to evening, and they are clear to me, they are explanatory, from here it is obvious that the first task, which in this tactical situation, which is being held now, is it is to form an answer to this question together with the allies, it can be formed no earlier than the election of the new nato leadership, but after that this process will begin. yes, mr. roman, but instead you mentioned the former commander-in-chief of the armed forces of ukraine. played for an alkaline, yes, well, we remember what the criticism was like, from whom it came and, as far as we understand, it was relayed someone's thoughts, yes, and then it all

ended with, what, landing in the london direction, now we also hear similar voices regarding a number of superiors ukrainian generals, in particular, regarding the new post-retirement commander-in-chief of the armed forces of ukraine, colonel-general sirskyi. do we have it? is another big rotation being prepared again and what are the possible consequences of this? i can draw only one conclusion from these distant phenomena, you know, so far they are not running around ukraine, you remember, with posters and the crowd that will be shot, hanged and so on, because it was in our history, it means that we healthy, and if we have there an exception one or two or three and even this... if this exception is sitting in the hall of the verkhovna rada, then i will tell you this, in any healthy organism, not somewhere, not without problems, sometimes

a nail has broken off, then somewhere it has spread and so on, what you hinted at is another matter, if it is not a special operation in order to start spinning in the information space, but this is possible only when it comes from the same room, and i would even say from the same office. there is no bank account, if it is, well, then this, this, this is more than dangerous, but for now i attribute it to the first option, what's up there, well, the dogs are barking, and the caravan is going, it's doing its job, and although anyone will tell you that in war conditions , such barking is very, very dangerous, because it's not scary for... of the political leadership of the establishment, it is terrible for society, it divides society, it divides people on the front line very

quickly, and this can have very unpleasant consequences, well, we simply understand how delicate a matter is what is called military command, we understand that , that this issue is not just difficult, it requires very often specific decisions, risky, well... the current psychological atmosphere, it does not contribute to what is called the strengthening of the command line, so we understand that politicians, society, the army, the church and so on, according to the list, they must all be united , that is, if mini cracks appear, maybe communicative, maybe i misunderstood someone and so on, it can have a rather unpleasant effect. certainly, certainly, it has very unpleasant consequences, and even those. things that are released, they are already doing their negative work, if you imagine what else the enemy will spin, it will definitely have paralyzing

things in some cases. it is obvious that it is better not to do this, but here it is necessary to understand that in a democratic society there is barking at this, and you and i, who say that you should go to the booth and do not bark there, because it is not true, shut up, because you sow all kinds of trouble in society, but this does not mean that in a democratic society you cannot criticize, you cannot criticize the government, you cannot express your positions, you cannot express your thoughts, but all this should be done correctly, in the appropriate and correct form, as it is accepted in a democratic society, although we understand very well that in the current situation of testing the terrible, sometimes emotions will not withstand, i understand this perfectly, i myself do not live for months and so on , and i am well aware that sometimes emotions

flow over the edge, but... in the current situation , everyone has their own appropriate level of communication, please, those who are a name in their country, who are elected, should not just speak, but carry responsibility for what they say, because every word they say is tens, sometimes hundreds of thousands of people who are guided by it, and here you have to be very careful. and to consider such things, especially i say again, if certain persons are identified there with offices, with a corresponding position, with officials, and even worse, when these people are such officials themselves, this is a very dangerous thing, so i will repeat it again and again , that what has already been said is complete nonsense, and it carries danger in itself, and here one must be very careful, and in this ...

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