and we dream, and not only dream, but we have to invest what we can now invest in this victory, we do not forget and thank the armed forces of ukraine and remember those who laid down their lives for us and with you. thank you for being with us, this was the big ether program, i will say goodbye to you until tomorrow at 18:10, i wish you a safe evening to our fighters of strength and god's protection and that they support each other, we will meet tomorrow, literally in a few moments the program verdict with serhii rudenko, stay with espresso. good evening, we are from ukraine. today in the program verdict with serhii rudenko. sbu drone sanctions. in the rostov region, another russian oil product transshipment terminal is on fire. explosions also rang out in crimea. what are the prospects for deoccupation of the peninsula from?

cover ukraine f-16. the peace process and kremlin ultimatums. the global peace summit in switzerland divided the world over the issue of support for ukraine. can putin be invited to the next summit? tax increases are inevitable. the budget deficit of 200 billion hryvnias forces the ukrainian government to look for additional sources of income. to what will lead increasing the tax burden on business during wartime. glory to ukraine, this is the verdict program, my name is serhii rudenko, i congratulate everyone and wish everyone good health. for the next two hours, we will talk about ukraine, the world, the war, and our victory. mykola knyazhytskyi, the people's deputy of ukraine, oleg penzyn, the economist, and general ihor romanenko will be on our broadcast today. let's talk about ukraine, about

the world, about the results, the foreign policy results that were in history, literally a week ago, in the history of the ukrainian state and all those stories. however, before starting our big conversation, i suggest you watch a video of how drones hit an oil depot in the city of azov last night in palalo, rostov region, russia, and there were at least five explosions, let's see how it was.

glory to the armed forces of ukraine and death to the russian occupiers. friends, we are working live on the tv channel, as well as on our youtube and facebook platforms for those. who is currently watching us on these sites, please subscribe to our pages as well take part in our poll, today we ask you if raising taxes during war is justified, yes no, it's pretty simple on youtube, yes no, and if you have your own personal opinion, please write in the comments below video if you're watching us on tv pick up your smartphone or phone and vote if you think wartime tax increases are justified (0800-211 381) no 0800 11 382

all calls to these numbers are free vote , at the end of the program we will match the results of this vote, i want to introduce our first guest today, this is mykola knyazhytskyi, people's deputy of ukraine, chairman of the verkhovna rada subcommittee on cultural policy, mr. mykola, i congratulate you, thank you for joining our broadcast. hello, thank you for the invitation. well, because we 're asking our viewers if they think raising taxes during wartime is justified. let's do a blitz poll, what do you think, eh? whether it is justified the step which is projected which is already proposed and discussed? there is no blitz here, because on the one hand, ukraine has one of the lowest taxes in europe and in many other countries, on the other hand, on the other hand, citizens do not always want to pay them when they see reports of corruption, so the issue is not only in taxes, issues in the administration of taxes, in the transparency of the budget, in the transparency of their distribution, if it happens, then in this case it can be justified, if it does not happen and it is unbelievable, then it will be the same as what

is happening with the tsc, when all of us we understand that to serve in the army, to protect the country - it is the duty of every citizen, but the state continues to treat citizens as slaves. as it used to be in some empires, when people were caught, instead, having a wonderful recruitment tool that works very well, they give a third of everyone because of the belief that not enough people use it, so from my point of view we need funds, we need a budget, even for to pay our armed forces, but if we learn to trust our citizens, then we can raise taxes. thank you sir mykola, let's start our conversation with the trip, or rather, with the visit of vladimir putin to north korea, this is the first visit in the last 24 years by a russian leader to the territory of the korean democratic people's republic, and on the eve of the visit, the russian dictator published an article praising this country for supporting

the aggressor in the war against ukraine. putin stated that he is ready for close cooperation with north korea in order to make international relations more democratic and stable. we highly appreciate what the dprk writes. putin is determined supports russia's special military operation in ukraine, expressing solidarity with us on major international issues and adhering to a single line and position at the un. so, two or three days after putin started talking about some kind of peace talks about, well, in the ultimate form about peace talks with ukraine, he went to actually shape a new message of evil, or rather to shape the one that had already formed, that’s how it is looks like this? well, obviously, as they say, each to his own, dictator putin went to dictator kimchinin, and he went to dictator kimchener before that, to his father, it is obvious that these are two anti-people regimes for their countries, these are two regimes that want the destruction of the world order, which

are really part of this axis of evil, and find someone bigger, who has no values, destroys his own people and wants and threatens the world, including me... it is difficult to imagine a weapon than north korea, well, it is only russia, so they are two acrobat brothers, as they say, putin and the leader of north korea, well, that is, about none peace, there can be no talk of any negotiations with putin now, although we know that at the global summit the mayor called on ukraine to enter into negotiations with the russian federation, and some of the participants of this global summit urged that peace must be it is necessary to negotiate with... are you a supporter of what, in general, are such negotiations with the russian side necessary and at what stage, and what should be the subject of such negotiations? well, i am convinced that you can talk about peace with those who want it, and with those who who is ready to approach this from the point of view

of the justice of international law, it is definitely not putin, he himself is not ready for any peace, all his ultimatums, they look terrible, the peace summit itself is a positive event, because... quite a lot of people supported us countries, on the other hand, we can clearly see that the communique differs from zelenskyi's peace plan, i just support zelenskyi's peace plan, but not the communique that was at this forum, because the communique was prepared based on those misleading proposals that he prepared china, and to the latter expected the presence of china at the forum, because of this they made such a rather soft communique, and thus, i think, even worsened the international situation that was after the session. the un, where they voted for harsher communiques, where russia was directly called the aggressor, here too, it is true that there is an upsad about it, but everything else that is proposed there is neither de-occupation nor the return of funds to ukraine, which is not in this final communique of the forum, because it was obvious , that china would not sign it, although it was obvious to me that

china would not come there, because china, like south korea, in fact, is also a non -democratic, totalitarian, autocratic country that supports russia, maybe not so clearly, because they... do not transfer weapons, but transfer technologies, transfer household equipment, transfer dual -purpose goods, funds, so china exactly the same as north korea, obviously supports the russian dictatorial regime and was not going to be at this forum, well, but considering the rather tense foreign policy week that has passed, and we saw that this very week several conference events. regarding the restoration of ukraine in germany, then the meeting of the big seven, then ramstein-23, then the ukraine-nato council, and the global peace summit, and we signed an agreement with the united states of america, the so-called security agreement. can we say that

there has been some radical change in the minds of our western partners, or part of our western partners, which prompts them to help more. ukraine should emphasize more on the fact that ukraine should defend itself with their weapons in this situation as well the truth is on the side of ukraine, or? nevertheless, it is misleading, we are somewhere in the same point, just an accumulation of events that indicate that, well, it happened that in one week ukraine became the center of attention of several international forums. no, in general , if you do not take the peace summit, in which i also did not see any great evil, and the fact that there were many countries that support us, this is exactly positive, but all other events were more positive, because after elections in the european parliament, which did not take place... of the so-called right-wing revival, and those right-wing european forces that went there are forces that,

as the party of italian prime minister meloni, support ukraine, despite the fact that they are right-wing, in general , i believe that starting with these elections to the european parliament, the situation changed in favor of ukraine, both at the g7 forum and in berlin, everywhere they talked about supporting ukraine, signed a whole series of agreements, therefore, in general, the support of the western world and democracy. it does not fall, it's just that we constantly hesitate between whether we need to find support in the western world, or whether we need to dancing around china and the global south, and it is clear that we need to build diplomatic relations with them, but we should not expect help from them, but we should definitely expect help from the united states and european countries, and they have now confirmed that this help will be more, including the military, so from this point of view, this is a positive week for ukraine. following the results of the peace summit, volodymyr zelenskyi announced the preparation of the next steps, and he said that he had already held

a meeting after the global summit peace in switzerland, let's listen to what zelensky said. now there are no breaks, in fact we already have a preliminary work schedule for the summer months. we will not slow down the pace, we will keep communication with partners as active as before. ukraine. never wanted this war, and it is natural that the most longs for a just peace, and we see that it is possible, we are bringing peace closer, during a visa visit to switzerland during the global peace summit, and volodymyr zelenskyi and andriy yermak talked about what is possible will be at the second peace summit representatives of russia are involved in order to start some kind of conversation about peace. are you a supporter of the fact that at this second peace summit, which will be held at the end of the year, obviously,

the russian federation should be present, and if so, in what status should this country be represented and what should be discussed with them? in general, it seems that this peace summit was once prepared with the expectation of our successful counteroffensive and the fact that many countries of the world will accept russian capitalization, and i support this approach, that is, i hope that after all the key to victory. is in the hands of the armed forces of ukraine, if there is sufficient support for the armed forces of ukraine and our armed struggle will be successful, i believe in it, then it is possible to accept the capitulation of russia there or, perhaps, to fix some other status quo, i do not fully understand which one, because i don't have the impression that russia wants to stop unless we show hard power, even if they want to stop in some way to record it, it seems to me... it will be unrealistic and impossible because we will never admit the territories occupied by the aggressor country are not

ours, and they will not agree to this either, because they are written in them absolutely illegally and unfairly in their constitution, that is why putin does not name these four regions, because they wrote these four regions in their constitution, in this way, they will continue to believe that this is the territory of russia, and we, obviously, together with the entire democratic world, will claim that it is so, that this is the territory of ukraine, so i would not expect such a big and quick peace , although it is obvious that there is fatigue from this war in the russian federation as well, we do not know how much their economy suffers, because it is closed, i hope that it suffers a lot, including from sanctions, the fact that the west has imposed additional sanctions on china, on certain chinese financial structures, the manure of chinese cars, and europe, and the united states of america, i think it's quite positive, it's a good sign for china that it's not worth supporting russia as a country. aggressor and believe that sanctions will work when sanctions were imposed against the financial sector

the russian federation, we see that the ruble has jumped there and the yuan has become the main currency of china, all this must somehow affect them, but so far nothing affects their madness , as it seems to me. meanwhile , the prime minister of italy, giorgia maloni , emphasized at the peace summit that the achievement of peace should not be confused with the subjugation of one country , as this would create a dangerous precedent for all. let's listen. protecting ukraine means protecting the system of rules that unites the international community. and protects every country, if ukraine could not count on our support and would be forced to capitulate, we would not be here today to discuss minimum terms for negotiations, we would simply be discussing an invasion of a sovereign state, and we can all imagine the consequences. dear colleagues, peace does not mean surrender,

as president putin seems to suggest in his latest statements. by the way. the day before, a number of mass media provided an incorrect simultaneous translation of melonia's words, if russia does not agree to these principles, we will force it to give up, well, at least that's how it was translated, and our journalist yuri fizer, after listening to maloney's speech again, said that it was all translated incorrectly and it was spread incorrectly, well, of course, we would like the western countries to tell our western partners that if russia does not agree with these ... principles, we will force her to surrender, well , we would like to, but obviously this will not happen, and judging by the rhetoric of putin himself, what he said on the eve of the global peace summit, this is such an ultimatum two: the first was in december 21st, when he spoke about that nato should not expand east, and that spheres of influence should remain with russia,

including in ukraine, and here is mr. mykola, literally a day after the global peace summit took place, putin's godfather and the former head of the banned of the opzh party, viktor medvedchuk in an interview with tas called for the occupation of odesa and other cities if ukraine does not agree to the capitulation proposed by putin, i will quote mr. medvedchuk. russia's security interests dictate the need for further hostilities to combat neo-nazis regime to achieve complete demilitarization and physicalization. at the same time, it is clearly visible that the interests of the zelenskyi regime and the intere. the ukrainian people are directly opposite, ukrainians want peace, and zelenskyy with the western puppeteers of war, even at the cost of exterminating the ukrainian people, and this people must be freed from this criminal nazi government. medvichuk is nobody in the current situation, but those who represent opzh in the ukrainian government, in the verkhovna rada and in local self-government bodies, as of

the 20th year, more than 4 thousand deputies were elected different levels. these people joined some... factions, created some new factions, some new groups, but they are in power. what should he say, what should the ukrainian government do so that those people who represent medvedchuk and remain in the ukrainian government, after all, are not in this government. well, first of all, it seems to me that, returning to putin's quote, this is a quote about weakness, and medvedchuk was released specifically to show someone, not in putin's words, that no, putin does not give up, because putin himself is already talking about denazification this time and... militarization is nothing he did not say that, he said about the four regions, about membership in nato, and it seems to me that everything is so, which obviously also makes his statement absolutely shameful, but for me this statement by putin was to some extent putin's tantrum, a way to demonstrate that they are ready to give gradually back, because they really wanted all of ukraine, and now they are talking about only four regions, which is unacceptable, shameful, no one

will talk to him about it, but it was a step back, and when there was no reaction to him, then they released the bear. to show that supposedly not, we stand on his own, so that it does not look like humiliation of the russian federation. as for the members of the opz, well, obviously these people should not be in the authorities, we even submitted a corresponding draft law, but they are beneficial to the authorities, because when the authorities do not have enough votes, they are always ready to give these votes under the threat of being destroyed , and here are the hostages of the government, the political hostages of the government, in the form of former deputies of the opzzh of all levels, well, they continue to work. vati and it seems to me that this is a certain short-sightedness of the authorities, because in at any moment they will be a weapon in the hands of the occupier, but among others, the committee of voters of ukraine calculated that representatives of the opzh, or the former opzh, or the current opzh, in the verkhovna rada, they hold 30 positions, there are deputy heads of parliamentary committees,

secretaries of parliamentary committees , and here it is completely incomprehensible, well, a collision, because the party... opz is officially banned in ukraine, it is hostile and works against ukraine, and the deputies who were elected from this party continue to write laws according to which living society, continue to be tangential to state secrets, well, that is , there are a lot of questions about what and why, why exactly they are sitting there, and despite the fact that medvedchuk obviously plans to return to ukraine, judging by his rhetoric, it is obvious that he is planning some temporary there. to temporarily lead some kind of government, well, it is very dangerous, this whole large network of security forces that exists in ukraine, and it is obvious, it is obvious. a decision must be made either at the level of the national security council or at the level of the president, that is, it should not be like this wartime, well, in principle, it shouldn’t be like that, even if there was no war, it shouldn’t

be like that, it’s obvious that, well, you said that they write laws, i don’t think that they write anything, they vote for the authorities for that , for which the authorities are asking, they themselves do not write anything, but at the local level, when they occupied our cities and towns, the greatest number of collaborators were precisely from the representatives of this political force, it is obvious and understandable why, now... really these collaborators sit in verkhovna rada, it simply demoralizes society, but as i said, the authorities need them, so they are used simply, and they are happy to serve in order not to go to prison. and if their powers or their deputy mandates were nullified, this means that further on this list other people would have to enter, or in some way, well, the verkhovna rada could resolve this issue, well, conditionally speaking, removed from voting and removed from management of these de. they can, well, they did not give leadership to pro-ukrainian opposition committees, for example, european solidarity there was one head of the european integration committee and that was all, and

there were no deputies there, there was no one, and now there are none, they no longer want to vote for it, and the opz, they distribute all positions and all places, this can be done without any changes to the laws, this can be done simply by a decision of the verkhovna rada itself, where the majority belongs to the servant of the people faction, as for legislative restrictions, there are many interpretations by the constitutional court. many different ways in which, when it is possible not to deprive them of their parliamentary powers, but to deprive them of participation in meetings of the verkhovna rada in order to avoid this influence. in principle, a lot was said and proposed about this, but, as i already said, the authorities are not ready to do it, so now this issue can be said to have died, but the issue with the heads and deputy heads of the committees and with the leadership positions held by the members faction of the former opzh, of course, has not died, we constantly talk about it, but so far we have not been able to convince the majority to become ours here. well, so far, i understand, you have not been able to convince the majority and become like-minded, regarding the draft law on the restriction of religious organizations, or on the banning of religious

organizations that have a connection with the aggressor country, we are specifically talking about the banning of the russian orthodox church, the activities of the russian orthodox church in ukraine, they are afraid to vote for it, well, various reasons, the influence of this russian orthodox church churches are very large, as a rule. their lobbyists have financial influence and have the ability to distribute funds to deputies, in addition, they have the ability to threaten, they have the ability to promise, one hopes that the russian popes will help them win the next election, as they helped choose the previous one, win the previous election, we were promised that after the 20th, when we will have a prayer breakfast, we will return to this issue, the majority promised it, we will see if we will return or not , but of course all this already looks... a farce and simply the infiltration of the agents of the russian world and this church in the state structure is huge, when the state structures officially write to us a demand to be included in the law, in fact

a legislative approval of the activity of the russian church in ukraine and the fact that it is not subject to this law, and this was a proposal of a government structure, it is difficult to call such proposals anything other than vandalism and anti-ukrainian activity. what they are most afraid of is that we have a norm that says that we have... the activities of the russian orthodox church in ukraine, for reasons of protecting national security, this is exactly the norm that is in the convention on the protection of human rights and in practice of the european court of human rights, this is what they are most afraid of, they are demanded to be removed from the name of the law, they are demanded to be removed from the body of the law, and if these norms are removed from the name and the body of the law, then they will very easily later say that christians are being persecuted in our country, as they say, they bought journalists in different countries, and not ban the criminal organization of the russian of the orthodox church with complete freedom of religion, which we had as it was, and i hope it will remain so in the future. what threatens the continued existence of the roc branch in ukraine? well, first of all, it's a huge

spy network, it's a huge ideological network the network, this is the network through which all these problems with mobilization are taking place in our country, including, this is the network through which our cities are destroyed and hints are given about what is happening where, this is the network through which disbelief is instilled in our victory in ukrainian society. all these are huge threats, and the security service of ukraine has repeatedly confirmed this. thank you, mr. mykola, for the conversation, it was mykola knyazhytskyi, people's deputy of ukraine. friends, we continue to work live on the espresso tv channel, and i suggest you watch a short story. deep intelligence, a unit that makes hot scraps of the enemy, their work is difficult to capture, and its results cannot be overestimated. our correspondents managed to communicate with... the commander of the first separate brigade of special forces named after ivan bohun, his story from the first mouth. let's see. i think,

i will go, i will go, i drive up to the checkpoint, i want to go to the army, i say, i want, tomorrow, no, i say, the day after tomorrow, because i am off, that's it, the military commissar came, okay, go through the commission, that's all, i say, well, i'll pass, only i'll come and that's all, well, let's start my paper along the zhytomyr military commissariat, i already went there without a queue, without anything, but that's how we were sent twice, back there, back there, the third time they took us away and that's it, that's how my trial began, it's a pity, as you look at the map, that's it that's all, that's all, where else have you been, how is it all, well, that is,

they understand. there wasn’t, but now they fly over you like swarms, well, you can’t even tell whose it is, and there’s no point, that is, if he needs to overwhelm you, he will overwhelm you alone, before they let two or three pass, you go to the positions of two or three are clear, he sees a little more, it starts to rain, mine or orta work, now for one, for one for two

people at least. who is created simply in the head, you need something like this , everything, this, this, you need to study, it means you were sent to something, you were sent there, you studied so, so, so.

aha, yes, yes, yes, somewhere there, disappeared, where, orta, where, you say, azimuth, here, azymu, this is an ordinary school program, eighth grade, 360° circles, everything, you say, not on time, if the same thing is sitting there, which i don't know, you, come on to tell him what it is, where it's going, but the gun stands straight at 12 and left.

somehow we will make such a plan there, you can make it there and we did it, if you have a head and arms and legs, damn it, physical, some kind of elementary, then god, with pleasure, with pleasure, people just don't want to go, but they don't know what they are there, no one will send him to death, he will be taught, he will be coached.