good evening, we are from ukraine. today in the verdict program with serhii rudenko. legitimate oil targets. in response to russian missile terror, the armed forces consistently destroy strategic oil refining facilities on enemy territory. will the russian military machine run out of fuel? mutual aid of dictatorial regimes. putin is trying to form an anti-western coalition of countries to support the continuation of the war in ukraine. how nato will react to the military-technical cooperation between russia and the dprk. the main threat to partnership with the west. the western press writes about increasingly tense relations between the authorities of ukraine and the usa. in the fight against

corruption, are the ukrainian authorities making enough anti-corruption efforts? glory to ukraine, this is the verdict program, my name is serhiy rudenko, i congratulate everyone and wish everyone good health. for the next hour , we talk about ukraine, the world, the war, and our victory. let's talk about putin's tour of east asia. how he flew to north korea and vietnam, what he talked about there, and how he is now trying to create a coalition of anti-western forces, anti-american, anti-european, and of course about the events in ukraine, about the fight against corruption, why did blinken tell zelensky that the problem of fighting corruption is quite relevant now for the ukrainian state, and what will be the consequences? it will not be the fight

against corruption itself, we will talk about it all over the next hour, we will have as guests the people's deputy of ukraine, the former head of the security service of ukraine, valentyn nalyvaichenko, the diplomat oleksandr khara and the chairman of the board of the institute of world politics viktor shlinchak. however, before that to start our big conversation, i suggest you watch a video of how the defense forces of ukraine carried out drone strikes on russian oil depots in adygea, krasnodar krai and tambov region this night, let's see how it was.

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, strikes were carried out on oil depots located in adegeya, in the krasnodar territory, as well as in tambov. regions that were powerful enough strikes and the russian public quite actively responded and commented on what was happening there, what was happening there, does this mean, mr. greatness, that the russian military machine may run out of fuel, and this is systematic work to destroy the logistics, the military logistics of the russian federation. which they worked out a long time ago, which works for the russian-ukrainian front. this means that russian aggression has returned to the territory of the russian federation itself, this is the first and most important thing, and indeed the armed forces of ukraine are now able to decide with high-precision weapons, two very important

tasks for the liberation of ukraine. the first task is the destruction of the oil, gasoline and other fuel capabilities of the aggressor country. because it is not a secret for anyone in the world that it is precisely at such oil refineries or terminals that the enemy stores and manufactures fuel, diesel, everything possible only for aggression, for invasions, for refueling their endless , albeit old, soviet tanks, battleships and of all that is temporarily occupying the ukrainian land, this is the first task, which now finally, thank god, and thanks to our partners... we have more opportunities to destroy our armed forces, thereby reducing the pressure of aggression on our defenders. the second task, which is solved by such high-precision strikes of the armed forces of ukraine, is the task of restraining the enemy, restraining

the advance . further, it is not possible ... to refuel at least one tank, it means that we have saved at least one company of our defenders, especially if we are talking now about the eastern direction, kharkiv direction and so on, these are very important tasks, and such high-precision strikes allow the armed forces of ukraine to solve these tasks. mr. valentine, once the american senator john mccain said that russia is a gas station, a gas station country, then he actually clarified that it is... a gas station that is controlled by the mafia and pretends to be a country, can we now talk about what is in russia after all, there are much more powerful forces than we strike at these oil refineries and oil depots, which in they have this this is the infinity of this

gas station that will allow them to continue the war, i have not myself met with senator mccain many times in congress when he was alive and... confirms that he had strategic vision and knowledge of the opportunities and the lack of opportunities in russian federation. since then, the following has changed: russia has much fewer opportunities, new technologies are basically absent, especially those previously imported by american and british oil refining and oil extraction corporations, and therefore russia putin and his regime cannot extract what was so much earlier, so much less. moreover, it cannot increase production, either oil or gas. the second is that during the putin regime, and especially the last two years and four months, putin and his regime, his war criminals, have spent not only oil and gas reserves,

not only technical capabilities and defense capabilities, but also their financial, as they called the fund there, and... all that for long decades of excess profits from trading in gas and of oil on the european and world markets, were postponed, as it turned out, they were postponed only not for russian citizens, not for the country of the russian federation itself, but postponed for aggression against ukraine, so this also ends, but what, mr. serhiy, is also important that there will be no replenishment of this money, this fund, and there will be no increase in oil and gas production in russia. on the contrary , collapse, shrink, and their economy, especially in the most sensitive segment, in the extraction of gas, oil and other minerals, actually shrinks, as well as profits is reduced, and the last, today's decision

of the ambassadors of the eu member states, all 27 countries decided to introduce the 14th package of sanctions, and it will precisely, in particular, concern transportation. of liquefied russian gas through finland, sweden, where there were still loopholes, and the russian federation, citing and relying on previous long-term contracts, in fact by sea. in the north tried and supplied its lng to the world market, now these loopholes are also covered by the latest 14th package of sanctions of the european union against russia for aggression against ukraine. against the background of the sanctioning actions of our western partners, which took place during the last two weeks, we see that the russian federation is still trying to destroy the energy infrastructure of ukraine. this night, equipment was damaged at facilities in vinnytsia, dnipropetrovsk,

donetsk and kyiv regions, ukrenergo reports this, that is, russia is deliberately leading ukraine to a humanitarian disaster, strikes civilian facilities, violates international law and generally everything, everything , all driving rules war, and in this situation, i will ask you how to act as a diplomat. uh, the un, should it call an urgent meeting, uh, of the un security council or the un general assembly, because, well, it's clear that what putin is doing, he just wants to force the ukrainians to, uh, put pressure on zelenskyi and push him to the so-called peace talks, turning the civilian population into hostages, into hostages of the fact that there is no light, er, no... no water, the prospect of large cities being on the brink of a humanitarian

disaster very soon. first and foremost, the country has be urgently you, the aggressor country, russia should be immediately recognized as a terrorist country, because they are a terrorist country, because the strikes, including today's night, their extreme strike by shaheds, on kyiv oblast, vinnytsia and others, with missiles on our energy infrastructure, this is another. an act of terrorism, but you know, during a large-scale aggression, all this, taken together, is nothing more than the genocide of the ukrainian people, and it is carried out on the personal orders of the military of the russian federation of putin, and they consciously destroy the civilian infrastructure, i mentioned all this in order to clearly and unambiguously, without any doubts, qualify such actions of the russian federation as terrorism. organization of the united. of nations in september of this year there will be a regular, annual general assembly. i am among those people's deputies who

insist, and we will definitely do it, so that at this general assembly it is clear: firstly, russia is excluded from the security council, secondly, that it be recognized as a terrorist country, thirdly, that during this the general assembly nevertheless held the summit for our proposal is the second global peace summit. after the first summit and already at the second summit , a tough decision was clearly made by the entire community and russia with the un to stop the war and stop the war, pressure and reparations and all that the russian federation as the aggressor has to pay must also be resolved, and not postponing, i repeat, in september of this year at the un general assembly in new york. these are the solutions. adjournments and about energy very briefly, mr. serhiy, today in the verkhovna rada we just passed a law by which we remove

removed all payers, vat and so on, from energy equipment, from equipment for water supply, water drainage, which is provided by our partners, as humanitarian aid, simply put, directly, immediately from the countries, our partners in the anti-putin coalition, everything that is needed for water supply , drainage. cities and villages of ukraine will be supplied directly and without taxes and without delay, this is how we should act, moreover, support from international partners not only does not decrease, it does not even remain at the previous level, it is increasing, precisely in those matters that concern power equipment, all the tools that are needed for repair and even increasing and more in a modern way, providing equipment for our communities. and cities across ukraine that suffered or continue to suffer from

russia's terrorist missile and shad attacks. well, against this background, of course, we are all waiting for the july summit of the north atlantic alliance. nato secretary general jens stoltenberg said that no specifics should be expected at the upcoming summit in washington information about ukraine's membership in the alliance, but there will be a clear message about the prospects of our country's membership. let's listen to the general secretary. we have seen new announcements, and i expect they will be announcements of more military support for ukraine. i am sure that we... will also have wording that ukraine will become a member of the alliance. the precise wording of exactly what we will agree on is currently being discussed among nato members, but i am confident that by the time of the summit we will have a well- agreed solution. mr. valentine, given that last week was like this ukrainian week is quite big in

europe and in the world, because there were many summits, meetings. alluding to the fact that there will be some positive news for ukraine is encouraging, because after joe biden's statements that he is against the natization of ukraine, there seems to be some hope for the ukrainian state, and obviously we are talking about, now about military aid, and apparently, i i think about military ... nato instructors who may appear in ukraine, am i wrong, you are not mistaken, and not only instructors from nato member countries will appear in ukraine for training our defenders, especially those who are now mobilizing, because a trained defender is a protected defender, but for our television viewers, let's give an exclusive, nato has already started concrete steps today, the first

step, the united states of america, its manufacturers, the patriot missile and the system. patriot air defenses, the most effective, as it turned out, countermeasures against russian missile terrorism, manufacturers, according to the decision of us president biden and his government, are now primarily supplying to ukraine and the armed forces of ukraine. those european and other customers and their contracts, which existed before that, are currently suspended and moving in time, ukraine will be supplied primarily, i repeat, with missiles and... patriot air defense systems, these are american partners, nato members. the second, also today's decision in terms of preparations for the nato summit in july of this jubilee year in washington. the second solution is that the american, british and other partners worked, as we, by the way, worked with the south korean government, just not to be confused with

by the north, and the south korean government lifts restrictions and bans on the supply of high- quality, modern armored vehicles and missile equipment to ukraine. and i, as a specialist , assure you that south korean missile systems, especially their armored vehicles, manufactured by north korea, are of an extremely high level, and such equipment, by the way, is used in nato, in nato member countries. among the main customers, think about it, such equipment from south korea, they dream and order and pay. these are the poles, poland, and here ukraine also comes first places and also, we hope, as much as possible will be supplied for the armed forces. i cited all this as today's fresh examples of the fact that preparations for the nato summit have already begun. another very important thing, the nato fund, which was announced by secretary general stoltenberg, and , by the way, he agreed on it in washington with

us president biden, will also be created, i think, launched already in july. this year at the nato anniversary summit, this is another, if you will, such, you know, more serious step towards our nato membership. i'm not talking about what nato member countries have just agreed, and the next new secretary general of nato is probably going to be mark rutte, he's the prime minister of holland, you know, the netherlands, and that very country, and he's the very official who supported and supports providing ukraine. universal fighter jets, before that the netherlands handed over the patriots and the system and missiles and continues to hand them over, i myself have met with the delegation of the netherlands several times, they come to kyiv quite often, and they are our serious partners, and the prime minister of this country, the future the secretary general of nato, a serious ally and partner of ukraine, this is all that unites us

and makes us stronger even on the eve of the summit in july. thank you, mr. valentin. thank you for the conversation, it was valentyn nalyvaichenko, people's deputy of ukraine, former head of the security service of ukraine. friends, we continue to work live on the tv channel, as well as on our youtube and facebook platforms. for those who are currently watching us on these platforms. please subscribe to our pages and also participate in our poll. today we ask you about what you think about corruption, how effective it is in ukraine, do you see the strengthening of the fight against corruption in ukraine and? yes no, vote on youtube with the appropriate buttons, if you have a separate opinion that does not fit into unequivocal answers, please write to us under this post or under this youtube video. if you watch us on tv, pick up your smartphone or phone and vote on the appropriate numbers, yes 0800 211 381, if you see in ukraine the strengthening of the fight against

corruption, no, 0800 211 382, ​​all calls to these numbers are free, vote, at the end of the program we will sum up the results of this vote. next, we have oleksandr khara, diplomat, expert on foreign and security policy of the center for defense strategies. mr. oleksandr, i congratulate you, thank you for being with us today, good evening, mr. sergey, congratulations, let's talk, mr. oleksandr, about putin's trip to east asia, north korea, vietnam, before that there was china, and there is already a reaction from our western partners who say that putin is trying to create a coalition of anti-western states, authoritarian states, and about authoritarianism and about these authoritarian states. says nato secretary general jend stoltenberg. he says that the treaty between russia and north korea demonstrates the mutual support of authoritarian states. let's hear what he

said. north korea has provided russia with a huge amount of ammunition. we actually see them loading containers of munitions onto trains in north korea, and those trains go all the way to the front lines. that's where they unload and these...supplies fall in straight to the front, striking the ukrainians. of course, in return, russia gives something to north korea. we are very deeply concerned about the possibility of russian support for their nuclear and missile programs. mr. oleksandr, considering the list of countries, plus iran and plus syria, does this mean that putin is trying to create some kind of alternative to the north atlantic. alliance and create such a military bloc with the participation of asian and east asian countries? well, even if he

wanted to, he wouldn't be able to because there is a more powerful player, china, with whom all these countries count more than the russian federation, of course, what it has, there is a coincidence of interests with china, of course, but there are also differences, and i can't even honestly imagine how much in beijing, about this security agreement with kimchynin and how happy they are that the russian federation is ready to share with this short dictator missile technologies, space technologies and possibly even nuclear technologies in exchange for ammunition and equipment submarines, so i think it's an effort, or at least to make it look like it's not... isolation, that it doesn't need the west, it can rely on the so-called global south, it's such a vague term, actually the global south no,

he is trying to create such and such an impression, and actually the purpose of this visit was to gain support, i think that primarily from north korea, in vietnam, he was mostly interested in energy projects, it is clear that the loss of... sales markets in civilized countries, pushes him to look for new partners, and also vietnam has traditionally been, shall we say, an important buyer of russian weapons before a large-scale invasion, almost 80% of what vietnam imported came from russia, so this effort is really to formalize in a certain way this axis of evil, the anti-liberal axis, but i don't think that... someone sees such a capable leader in russia and someone wants to create certain blocs in order to oppose and, god forbid, even more so to fight with the countries of the west, first of all

with the united states, but north korea, it is one of those countries against which a lot of sanctions have been introduced, and it is an exile country, well, an outcast in russian , it sounds like. or better, probably more understandable in this situation, that is, north korea is an exile in the world, and putin does everything in order to justify authoritarianism, dictatorship, kimchinin, and does everything in order to explain that the west, they say, unfair, behaves from north korea, today he was in vietnam and told reporters that the sanctions. against north korea reminds him of the blockade of leningrad, well, that is, any such comparison, to be honest, something that cannot be compared, as ivan stepanovich plyushch said, is impossible.

we push, we don't push, well, it's about the same, you see, he took and compared some two different situations, but the very fact of putin's stay in north korea is a sign that he wants to use the military potential of korea, north korea, which is probably 80% there what they produce in the country are weapons, and these weapons are of different quality, and we know that the grandfather of the kimchi, mersen, he was already at all captain of the soviet army, and the impression is that it is all similar to what putin is trying to do in the post-soviet space now, that is, somewhere these hills were not scattered around ukraine and were doing the same thing. yes, by the way, unfortunately, the agreement signed by north korea and the russian federation is not yet publicly available, and it is

a retraction. caused in the expert environment, since there is a clause that in the event of an attack on one of the countries, the other will provide military and other assistance, there are indeed reasons for national legislation and article 51 of the un charter, i.e. the right to self-defense, but by and large these formulations are taken from the 1960s, when there was an evil empire, an evil communist empire. well, there were such satellites, and it is clear that putin is constantly trying to invent something new, looking at what the soviet union was already doing at one time, and if we are talking about north korea, it is clear that these are renegades, you are absolutely right, but already recently, well, after the large-scale invasion, there have already been several times when the russian federation, as a permanent a member of the security council, in fact, the bloc...

continued sanctions on this regime, meaning he's trying to use his, shall we say, formal status as the russian federation to help the north korean dictator to help him in his war against, but you know , there is also a positive thing in this agreement, which is that south korea will probably revise its, say, views on the supply of weapons to ukraine, if until recently it was... non-flying weapons, then taking into account the approach of north korea federation, perhaps we can count on south korean weapons and ammunition, and they are in large quantities, first of all, and secondly, they are of no worse quality than the americans, for the most part they were produced under license, and there are the usual own developments , that's why such a move by putin, he can backfire on him.

positive, more precisely, positive for us, negative for him, of course there will be other consequences, above all, the countries of the region will understand that russia is increasing its negative influence, trying to undermine security, although, if you look at the joint communiqué following the visit to vietnam, there are such, you know, pharisaical phrases that both countries will contribute to the establishment of a multi-field. education, rightly, which is based on the un charter, on the rejection of threats to use force, let alone the use of force in the world, then he says the right things that are written in the un charter, but in fact we understand that neither he nor those from who he signs such documents are definitely not those who follow the letter and spirit of the un charter. mr. oleksandr, today at

at the end of the visit... in vietnam, putin spoke a lot, including about ukraine to journalists and commented on his so-called peace initiatives, which he came out with on the eve of the global peace summit, and what he said, he said about the fact that the reaction of the west countries was predicted, and russia's proposals regarding the future of the russian-ukrainian war will change depending on the situation on the ground, this is the first, second, that for russia, it is strategic...