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questions, from these visits, briefly, then we will move on to other statements, to other events. mr. vitaly, after all, we have already heard different opinions about putin's visit to north korea, before the meeting with kimchinin, we saw that, in principle, this meeting was not as successful as it could have been, or at least, what's there... after all, why did he do it, why did he do it, why did he go there, well, my point of view is to get a weapon, that is, if he gets a weapon there, he gets it at that time in which he it is necessary, to a certain extent, for him, in his isolation, this is already, as they say, a big plus, yes, if we are talking about some foreign policy activity of the russian federation. and here

, of course, most likely a minus, here is your opinion, what are the positives from this, from this visit, and the second question, what are they for putin, and what threats does this pose for ukraine, well, i think that on the issue of receiving weapons, it is not necessary to make a state visit, because despite the fact that we say that the kimchanin wanted to see him there, but the kimchanin wants this to sell weapons, one must understand the situation. the north korean economy, the north korean economy as such does not exist, and has never existed, because all these people, such as mersen, and kimchen, and kimchen, in principle, they have always been parasites on china, and they generally tried to always get from everyone money and not to promise anything to anyone, uh, and that is why they were always treated quite cautiously, even... according to the terminology

of the international department of the central committee of the cpsu, they were not even part of the socialist camp, you know that, they are not were part of the socialist camp, they were part of the socialists. they were not members of the council of mutual economic assistance, they were observers, such as finland, yugoslavia had close relations with this council, that is, in fact, they were always very sharp, and the fact that putin has to get so close to him now, it says that that he has serious na... so, the first is weapons, so the kimchan is constantly now, it can be seen from the reports of the central telegraph agency of korea, from publications on noton sinmon, he is constantly on the defensive enterprises, he looks at what is happening there, this is a huge

economic chance for him, well, imagine, he is the leader of a country that is 90% dependent on china, whatever china wants, it gives, doesn't want, doesn't give, won't give anything at all , whether there is hunger, they will eat grass, ugh, here is the situation. when he can get his own money for his own products, russian money, i mean, so he will still produce these weapons, because this is an incredible economic opportunity for him, he just got lucky with this attack on ukraine, uh, once, but putin doesn't just need that, so why is putin signing this treaty at all and returning this article on mutual defense, in general between the russian federation... the soviet-north korean treaty has ended. why was there no strategic partnership and promises to defend and protect north korea in this treaty. why does putin

need this article to tell kimchinin that if he has a conflict with south korea, russia will protect him, she will come to his aid. will russia protect him? well, at least she can use the right of veto in the council security of the un, i'm sorry, it has things, real possibilities of influence, it can send him the equipment that he does not have, well, yes , it has shells, shells, but planes, uh, but high technologies, drones, you know, that's all , russia indeed, he needs utilitarian soviet missiles, and he needs much more from russia, because south korea has a modern army, and if... putin assures him of this, then it is important to him. the question here is no longer whether andria will be protected by putin or not, the question here is whether putin wants to provoke him to possible war look at how beautiful the disposition looks: the war in ukraine, the war in the middle east, and ukraine has already started

to be talked about less. imagine that a war has started on the korean peninsula. there will be less talk about the middle east, because there will be american troops without... indirectly involved, this is not a war in the middle east, where the americans are some kind of tamans to the shores before gathering, these are american soldiers in south korea, withdraw them or increase the contingent, what shall i do? this is for the united states existential challenge, these are not the wars you are going to fight, so they forgot about ukraine even more, the truth is, ugh, well, ho, that is, he goes with two tactics, the salami tactic in relation to us and the tactic of small cuts in relation to the event. so that there is bloodshed between the democrats and the republicans, even on many issues, including in the middle east, there will most likely not be any, trump will already say that he would agree with the kimian, you know why, i would, if i was the president, i tried to negotiate with him, me

would have agreed with him, he would not have arranged such a thing, but when i was the president, he did not arrange, well, by the way, trump is one of the few presidents who met with... i mean, he is one of the few, that is basically, trump, why putin, and you mean with the president, i think, of the presidents of the united states, yeah, i mean for the former president, jimmy carter, he met one of the few, so basically, well, that's also an indicator, well, by the way, it was a huge mistake, i think, that he himself started dating this person who... big he is not an accountant and head of the state, but we have to understand that, he is such a pushylin or a beekeeper, only of the korean kind, because this is not a real state, it is just an entity in the zone of soviet occupation, just like the german democratic republic, they occupied

part of the territory of korea and on this territory they declared their own regime, and by the way, now you understand why they did not go there, putin going to pushilin or pushilin, well , that would be strange, with a visit, imagine, putin pays an official visit to... well, well, not in the ddnr, in the republic of south ossetia. it looks comical, doesn't it? putin is met by skhinvali. well, that's why the soviet leaders never went to kimersen, they didn't consider him a real president. they understood very well that the real korean president in seoul is just a puppet who has decided that she is not a puppet. something like that. well, of course, it is unpleasant for us, but what to do with him? so i don't know, on... just before the actual election process starts, they can arrange that because it's a very risky game,

in general, this is a risky game, you see, after all, kimchanin has nuclear weapons, and if he starts a war, it is not known how the united states will act, whether they will decide that they just need to destroy it all there, ugh, just to to protect oneself from the use of nuclear weapons by north korea, it is so... a very, very unpleasant story, well, another unpleasant story for the world is that putin stopped restraining the kim people. nevertheless , one way or another, russia was a part of the international community before this visit, which supported sanctions against the north korean nuclear program, kept pyongyang from further aggressive actions towards its neighbors, all this will no longer exist. russia largely gave him carte blanche. and china, what is its role here? well... we understand that xijinpin has a huge influence on kimchinin, including

xijinping, and if xijinpin has a different position, let's say, then it is difficult for me to imagine that kimchinin will go to such a huge escalation, except with tacit consent , you see, it's hard to say, i think xinping despises him, well, again, in beijing also to... chinese leaders, they are ideological people, well , realistically, well, of course, xizhimping is also the son of a party worker there, but he is absolutely sure that he has made his own party career, well he is simply well-educated, well-mannered, as he should be. to the nomenklaturanik, they generally have this generation of princes there, but they imagine the idea

of ​​party rule in china as a family one, that mao zedong passes his power there to his son, or dengxiaupin, they all have children, and they themselves are someone’s children, well, that doesn’t happen , they are real have created a functioning system of nomenclature traditions, and like this family regime, it doesn't look communist to them, well, it's already, you know, something wrong for them. and of course this third leader of the regime, even if they even allowed him to have nuclear weapons, he is simply no one compared to xizenping, from xizenping's point of view, xizenping never went there, he says that it is an incredible dependence on china, and when did chinese leaders visit pyongyang at all , they were very rarely there in general, and these were also such events of events, and now here when the policy of tolerance to the coronavirus ended, two years have already passed since

sydzenpin went to samarkand, it was 2022, so it’s already been two years, maybe he went to samarkand, he went to astana, uh, he went to moscow went, he went to paris, he went to san francisco, i think that is not all that i have listed, i can tell you where they went during this time. heads, both heads of the chinese government, for the past two years, the current and the previous one, no one went to kinian, now the question is, how and where did he go, to vladivostok, and now putin, who went to beijing, is received by the deputy minister of foreign affairs of the dprk, and the minister went to moscow, that is, there is also a lot to say about this dependence, as can be the absence of contact with such dependence. minister of foreign affairs of the taliban

with almost all his colleagues. he met with afghanistan, but he does not meet with the minister, the minister of foreign affairs of the dprk, do you think this happens with good relations? but it's actually a strange position here, we're fine we understand very well what china is doing in this regard. which is better that they should be than that they should not be, because if he will not receive them. they will simply disappear, i.e. a conditional north korea for china is somewhere on the same level as the dpr-lpr in quotation marks, so transnistria, transnistria, huh, well, this is a good example, by the way, such a recognized transnistria, yes, so that he annexed the dpr to russia, it's like, well, i mean yes, of course, yes, and that's why they so want

ties with russia in its current state, because it legitimizes them north koreans, and mr. igor said that he believed that putin had arranged this with sidzimpin, i think that he did not agree on anything, neither korea nor vietnam, so when he agreed, he could tell him that i was going there, but of course, there are your interests, comrade, well, to face the fact , the chairman will take into account, because we are in a strategic partnership, yes, we are friends, and of course i will do everything in vietnam to reduce their level of dependence on the americans, because we need it both are disadvantageous, well, look at vietnam. and the united states has 150 billion annual trade turnover, in vietnam and china have 120 billion, and in vietnam and russia it seems to me four or three, something like that, well there are up to 10, i read an analysis somewhere a few days ago, well, that is in general, that is, i arrived or did not arrive, what is the difference, who

needs you here, he can supply them with weapons, he can speak nice words there, but he is not their partner. and by the way, kimchinin too, well, what is the strategic goal then, after all, we have dealt with north korea, there are several 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, what is putin's strategic goal in vietnam, he is for some reason there went to play with washington and beijing, but the vietnamese, the communist party of vietnam, they always had the idea, always, of the so-called bamboo diplomacy. this is flexibility, well , we also once had such a bamboo president, leonid kuchuma, relations with everyone, and multi-vector, yes, even when the albanian labor party led by enver hoxha broke relations with the soviet union and with the people's republic of china, the only such country , where you could see her delegation, it seems to me that in addition to cuba, there was

vietnam with vietnam, they continued and vietnam continued with them, and what vietnam called the soviet union. zinists, chinese, renegades there, this did not prevent the vietnamese from having relations with her, even at the party level, you see, this is such a tactic, so hana needs to show this, putin needs to show that he is a player, because that's all , it's still a concern, look, the americans have already sent an assistant secretary of state, the chinese definitely understand that any arms deal to vietnam is not with them. do not meet their interests, they try all the time to stop any agreements between moscow and hanoi on the supply of weapons, it means that what they will do now, now they will start at an unofficial level, not so that they call ambassadors there, contact the russian leadership and he can't, listen, show , what do you want to sell them, well , let's see, we don't mind that you

traded with them, they are our friends, but you can look at the nomenclature, or maybe it's the other way around, russia wants to buy something from vie? i don't think the vietnamese are ready to sell, we already talked about these numbers with you, well imagine yourself, vietnam has a lot of soviet shells, ugh, north korea did not dream, you can imagine what kind of army is in vietnam, well, of course, that's why i say that of course putin had it, it would be like a jackpot, near sour cream, but as soon as even one vietnamese shell gets here, the americans say to the vietnamese, sorry, but we will not be with you then. we will do this, this, this, this, they and biden agreed on a strategic partnership, they are not about, this is not china, they are just strategic partners of the usa, as at the same time, they will supply weapons to russia, i think that they are not going to, they can buy weapons from russia, but not give them, but russia itself needs weapons, well, there is a certain nomenclature that can be sold, but

not everything need, there are some technologies that they can sell, but in any case , i think it's a game. precisely on nerv, and plus a diplomatic answer to switzerland, ugh, that we are players here, well, then, listen, and imagine that he just went to north korea, he looked completely funny, right, such a great statesman of all times and peoples, where he is allowed to go to pyongyang, as sergei lavrov said, we will now rest in the resorts of north korea, and these even laugh about it, russian comedians on television, they sing. there are songs: will we now rest in the resorts of north korea, it causes laughter, even on the state tv channels of russia. so, if putin wants to look like a state. did he necessarily need to add something to this visit to north korea, and what, where are they waiting for him? nowhere, well, i'm not somewhere, well

i mean, in this region, where he goes, potentially, what other states of a similar nature can receive putin for a visit, should we expect any similar visits to the far east or near in the near future? eastern countries, well, let's start with what countries can sell him more weapons, none, only north korea and iran, well, and some spare parts through third countries, well, spare parts - that's right, of course, no, so, where is he going can still go to the asia-pacific region, well, there is nothing special there, well, what, well laos is from cambodia, well, it's like that too. very conditionally, and what he will do there, so to speak, well, that is, he can there, if he could, he would already go with vietnam, well somehow they

are not very interesting to him, he does not is very interested, well, all other countries, then he can go to india, hardly, that is, in theory he can visit delhi, but it will be a certain tension in the relations between, they invited to the meeting of the group of seven, i don't know, somehow i don't i am sure that they will be waiting for him there, well , there will be a visit to kazakhstan, well kazakhstan, so to speak, it's in about two weeks or three, we already said that there will be a meeting there with erdoğan and a whole bunch of others, it's just a trip to the shoos, it's a trip to the shoos, without him it's not going to happen. but you saw that the previous meeting of the shos of 22 was scandalous, he was there on the third plan, the main post there was sydzenpin,

uh, what do you think, in kazakhstan, who will be the main player at the summit of the shos, what is that figure, well probably erdogan, no xizen ping, but he will definitely be xizen, then yes, then yes, if, if with him, i just don't... i don't know if he specifically announced his participation, if his representative will be there, but if he is, then of course it is, because china considers itself the leader, the leader of the shanghai cooperation organization, he will be there if putin is there, sidzempin cannot but be there, and of course he will again be the main figure in this story, and putin and all the others, and again, if he also comes there for render moji, then it will be himself... rivalry on the render body with sidzenpino, and putin will be just among other leaders of the former soviet republics, just for the letter p, you understand,

just for the letter p, and then, that means, somewhere after zhaparov, but before rakhmon and tokaev, and but after mirziyoev, well, he looks like this now, and... in this asian, i would say, context, he looks very insecure, of course, well, listen, how can you compare the level of chinese capabilities in central asia with the level of putin's capabilities, well, now that he doesn't even have to keep troops there, it's clear , that he needs these countries, even more than he needs them, because they allow you to bypass sanctions, make some commodity flows, but if they want, they can stop it, so in this regard, another topic is... nuclear threats again, the same thing came from putin again, yes, talk about something red there line, but he says again that he will not

be the first to use nuclear weapons, yes, he says it many times, but at least we see that and ee, relatively speaking, the talks have started again, and another interesting topic, the western press for some reason started talking again about what... is possible a nuclear strike, in particular there, was emphasized in the west of our country, yes, by the way, the current chairman of the national security and defense council of ukraine spoke about the same possible nuclear strike, some experts say so, but it is less interesting, why is this issue raised again topic, why is it coming up again in the western press, referring, by the way, to the british intelligence ee... so, it is by some fate, at least probably possible, or is it so, another information leak? i think that russia will always blackmail with nuclear weapons, convincing that

better with her come to an agreement in a good way rather than in a bad way, because from her point of view, and she can use these threats to force the west to abandon support for ukraine, that is, if you allow them to shoot at our territory, if you want to inflict a strategic defeat, well, well, what will you do when we use nuclear weapons on them, well, they will capitulate, and what will you do, you will all be sold, you... you say that you cannot protect anyone , you will show that you do not have any reputation, then maybe we can decide with this ukraine the way we like, so that we don't have to decide the way we want, but it doesn't work, it hasn't worked at least all this time, that is, we see that no one takes these threats seriously anymore reacts, or reacts, because now this information has appeared again, well, the information does not mean that the west is changing its position, i

understand that information appears, the west says, well, yes... really, we somehow overdid it, ukraine cannot strike on russian territory, under no circumstances, that's why that it will lead to nuclear war, and we don't know how to respond to nuclear war. by and large, it is also clear that putin's use of nuclear weapons in any form can create serious problems in the relationship between russia and the people's republic of china, because we see that all these statements by china, all its visions of how to end the russian-ukrainian war, always. are related to nuclear security, and this is one of the main political postulates for china that it is impossible to use nuclear weapons first, that is, if putin uses nuclear weapons on the territory of ukraine, he will definitely use them first, and the question arises in response to such a threat, to what such a threat, why does the topic of nuclear weapons in the ukrainian war arise at all, that is why, if ukraine does not have nuclear weapons, if it

at all does not launch any... missile strikes on russian territory, and even if it can launch western weapons, it still cannot be compared to a nuclear strike, why do you need to use nuclear weapons, which according to the russian doctrine itself applied in cases of an existential threat to russian statehood, well, that is also a good question, but could it be that china at some stage, well... well, let's put it this way, if it does not agree, then at least it will tacitly give a position regarding some, some local application nuclear weapons, tactical, i think the chinese will always be against it, because they will believe that if russia can use nuclear weapons tactically , locally, uh, why can't the united states do it against, say, the chinese fleet to the taiwanese protectorate, local, local, if that's how it works. not as a weapon

of deterrence, but as a weapon of real functioning. the chinese will never believe that the americans can't do it after the russians. i think this is their main problem. and that is why, by the way, they are building up their own nuclear potential, because people always think about the intentions of others as they did in this situation. therefore, the chinese are absolutely sure, this is the essence of the problem, that they can use nuclear weapons, eh. in the answer everyone else has it too to do, because if russia uses this weapon first, the chinese may encounter a situation when other countries may also use this weapon first, and by the way, it is not only the united states, i want to remind you also about the competition between china and india, india too in fact a nuclear state, why is china such a mess, i don't know, well...