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we will analyze the most important events of this week, in particular, we will talk about the results swiss summit and we will analyze putin's visit to his henchman kim jong-un in north korea. our guests today are the former minister of defense of poland, the chairman of the senate committee on european integration, bohdan klig, as well as the figure of the russian opposition in emigration, the former deputy of the state duma, mark fegin. an extremely important conversation is currently on the air of the tv channel. our guest bohdan klich, ex-minister of defense of the republic of poland, chairman of the senate committee on european union affairs. i salute you, sir bohdan, glory to ukraine. good afternoon, glory to ukraine. glory to heroes. well, the key story. in ukraine , they reacted extremely painfully to the story of the polish patriots, perhaps not fully understanding what they are, so i would like to ask you to tell us what is the position of poland, whether we have any chances to get american patriots or polish patriots. what do you think of the concept

that poland, perhaps together with our other western allies, would cover part of our ukrainian sky from russian missiles. first of all, it should be said that polish-ukrainian military cooperation has its own history. i myself am responsible for part of this story, when i was deputy prime minister of defense in 1999-2000. and later, when he became a minister. defense, believing that there is no safe poland without an independent ukraine. and this opinion is supported by a significant number of the polish political elite. and since 1991, it has been steadily implemented. and especially now during the war, and the first war, and the second war of russia against ukraine. that is why poland is one of the main donors when it comes to this on military support of ukraine. and this is from

the first days after february 24, 2022. there is the question of the aviation coalition, the armored coalition, there is the question of the ammunition coalition, and obviously there is the question of the anti-aircraft and anti-missile coalition. and i understand that it is about the last one that you are asking, because there are gaps in your sky, while it is... not to be as closed as possible, and therefore poland supports all the actions of those countries that have anti-aircraft means, aimed at the needs of ukraine. we delivered to ukraine ourselves part of our anti-aircraft armament, when we still had more of it in stock. the question about the polish patriots is a false question, because unfortunately we only have two patriot batteries. yes, we don't have them anymore, so we can't afford to ... open our skies, but

the americans stationed in poland have several batteries, so the one american battery defense announced by president biden, will be significant for ukraine. and i understand that the americans made such a decision, but that is not enough to end, as president zelenskyy expects more and is right in these expectations, should put their anti-aircraft and anti-missile defense systems as well. those who have such advanced systems, i mean our nato allies from the west. well, we know that there is, for example, spain, there are many other countries that have patriot systems, and we understand that they may not need them as hotly as we do, so we understand that russia has begun to conduct the so-called syrian approach to war, that means strikes on civilian cities, civilian objects, killing civilians, that's you. this is an atrocity, but the russians

are going for it, and accordingly, the key task is to convince our western friends and allies to help us strengthen, as you rightly pointed out, our air defenses, and... accordingly, there are patriots in many countries , but it is difficult to get them, and it is not only a matter of money. maybe there are some additional tools besides purely moral ones. well, but russians kill kharkiv residents, for example, yes, they hit a supermarket on the weekend, there were people and they dropped guided air bomb. this, this barbarism, this atrocity, but it happened. this is not a matter of recent days, it is a matter of two whole years of that terrible, cruel war that putin... started against ukraine. i am aware of it, and so are many of my friends, not all of course, that this is a war to destroy the ukrainian state. this is not just a war for territory, this is a war whose primary goal is to destroy ukrainian statehood, but also to destroy

the ukrainian people, and this is not the first time that the russians are trying to destroy the ukrainian people, because they did it in the past, at least remember the holodomor. he was the greatest example. in stalin's time, so there are two goals of putin when it comes to ukraine, and about that, most of us have no doubt. if you can convince others that putin has two more goals left that directly affect europe and nato directly, then it may be easier to look for the kind of weapons you are talking about, because putin's next two goals are the destabilization of europe and the paralysis of nato. once again, the destabilization of the european union and the paralysis of the north atlantic alliance, and some among us are aware of it, but again not all. in this regard, your rhetoric should ensure that the awareness of the four goals that putin has set for himself, once again, the destruction of the ukrainian state,

the destabilization of nato and the destabilization of the eu, the paralysis of nato and the destruction of the ukrainian people, which are all goals, which threaten not only residents. kharkiv, kyiv or lviv, but also threaten residents of madrid, lisbon, london or rome. this is our common threat. well , accordingly, what should we do, how should we do it to build a tough response to the russian aggressor, why i say tough, because it must be a joint decision of the nato member states on the one hand, well, at least on the european continent, because in a few months the situation in the united states may change, and we do not know what will be the situation in the united states when... donald trump becomes president, but president macron is already preparing for certain scenarios. in lithuania, latvia, estonia, preparations are also being made for certain additional scenarios. as far as i understand, preparations are being made in poland for what may happen. we understand that there is no need for russia to curtail

its aggression because they are involved in the so- called long war. and a long war means large resources, a large number of losses, and we understand who, in the event of something, will be the first additional ones. victims of russian aggression are the above-mentioned countries: poland, lithuania, latvia, estonia. we have not realized this since today, that there is a threat from russia, but it is good that nato now has a broad understanding of this. please note that a new strategic concept was adopted during the summit in madrid, in which says, here i speak from memory, that russia is the immediate and main threat. for the entire north atlantic alliance, not only for the eastern flank, poland, lithuania, latvia and estonia, but for the whole of nato. so, over the years, this awareness has taken root, and secondly, the decisions made at the same time, made by nato, are important, namely, raising

the level of cooperation with ukraine to the nato ukraine joint council, where ukraine has the right to participate in decision-making. this is no longer the nato ukraine commission, it is. nato-ukraine council. third, the fund that nato created to support ukraine, and which will be increased within the nato-eu framework, is also important. i repeat everywhere that the eu has experienced a copernican revolution. i have been dealing with the eu since 1994. and i have never seen the european union act so quickly and so decisively as in ukrainian issues. never before. is it possible in matters of the coronavirus? there was also a union. resolute, but now i spoke at a conference here in lviv about the fact that if eu decision-making usually takes two and three months, but sometimes even longer, as for the issues of ukraine, they are accepted within two weeks, from two to three weeks. this is the speed of formula 1 to

mercedes. the eu also decided to financially support the transfer of weapons and military equipment to ukraine. who would have thought that the eu... would do such things, they have never done this before, they even used a special mechanism for that, which is the european peace facility, from which money goes for reimbursement. for the transfer of weapons and military equipment to countries that do this, that is, the eu has directly engaged in the supply of weapons and combat equipment, that is, ammunition for the ukrainian military, which is fighting. and finally, the third point, this is a whole system of sanctions, both eu and american, which by agreement started working much faster, because the first package of sanctions was launched by the european union on the eve of february 24, that is, before the second invasion of russia. her to ukraine. if you are asking about those sources of military aid, then it is obvious that you need to remember

the americans who delayed for a long time. it was a very long pause, but in the end, the us congress allocated 60 billion dollars for purely military aid to ukraine, and they are already being implemented. therefore, ukraine is not left on its own, neither by the states, nor by nato, nor by the eu, nor by individual countries, such as poland, which has been there since the first days. a donor of weapons and ammunition for ukraine and countries that joined later, such as germany or france. the polish-ukrainian-lithuanian brigade, so we understand that the story of the polish-ukrainian joint brigade is extremely important, it was created and you, one of its co-authors, well, accordingly wanted to ask what it is, where it is, how it is now and whether there are chances to finally create a powerful, you know, military unit. triangle of poland, lithuania and ukraine. there was such an evening when i was sitting at a table covered with papers and at a certain

moment i received information about what was happening with the polish-ukrainian and polish-lithuanian battalions, because such battalions had previously functioned, especially with regard to the military mission in kosovo or in bosnia and herzegovina. and i thought to myself, why not make a joint one brigade, polish-ukrainian-lithuanian. why not transfer these three lines of cooperation? also to the military sphere. in connection with that, i have certain copyrights, copyright on this project. we discussed it with our colleagues and presented this idea to the ukrainian and lithuanian sides, and it was well received both in vilnius and kyiv. at the end of 2009 , we signed a memorandum of standing in this case with ukrainians and lithuanians. and in a few years, the brigade was ready to perform operations. and it has existed for about ten... years, only at this moment, since the beginning another war by russia against ukraine, it

gained additional meaning. i can only say that it is involved in supporting ukraine with weapons and ammunition and is doing it effectively. but it is also worth saying that everything cannot end there, that is, there are further levels of military integration into ukraine, and i believe that such a brigade should be increased to the rank of diva. and this division should consist of brigades that would be assigned by individual countries, and perhaps in the future it would be possible to create a corps that would include divisions individual countries. the problem is only with the lithuanian side due to the fact that it has smaller armed forces, but there are no problems with the ukrainian and polish sides. such a corps or such a division, and then the corps has its own meaning, because it is an excellent transfer of all knowledge about how it works. then to the ukrainian and lithuanian military, but at this moment, after your experience from the battlefield, from a real

war, because it is a terrible but real war, transfer is also possible in the other direction, now we in nato can learn a lot from you. my conclusion is as follows: until ukraine becomes formally a member of nato, such channels of communication should be created so that nato soldiers learn from ukrainians, and ukrainians from nato soldiers, and to... integrate these armed forces as much as possible. yes, an extremely important signal, i heard you, well, let's keep our fingers crossed so that the division will really rise first, and then possibly the corps. but, if we talk about such small steps, president macron started talking about the prospects of having foreign instructors on our territory. we understand that these will not be the people who will try to teach ukrainians to shoot. yes, the ukrainians shoot no worse than the french or. but we are talking about the possible maintenance of high-precision objects, these are

military airfields, yes, because we are waiting and we hope for f-16 aviation, french mirages, that is, there is such a hope, but this story drags on for quite a long time, and we understand that it is also and the issue of pilots, and the issue of air defense systems, which should cover airfields, cover military airfields, because the enemy, of course, in the first place, where will the targets be? to the locations of aircraft. there are several of them coalitions that should work better, or one of them - the aviation coalition, will list. for consistency, there is an armed coalition, a coalition on munitions, the czech initiative, there is a coalition, which we have already mentioned, of anti-aircraft and anti-missile systems, that is, an anti-missile coalition. poland occupies a leading position in the armored coalition and has transferred a lot of armored vehicles and troop transporters to ukraine.

the czechs occupy a leading position in the coalition on ammunition issues. i hope that the first batch of collected...initiative ammunition will come as soon as possible, i mean july this year, there is also an aviation coalition, the launch of which is the most difficult, because the training of ukrainian pilots on the f-16 took some time, even longer, but now, from what i know, those planes are already being transferred to ukraine , and i hope that in the near future this aviation coalition will really support your air power, because the sky... above ukraine should be better protected. yes, i completely agree, but if we speak tentatively in terms of terms, that is, you feel that in the next couple of months our sky will be cover f-16s or mirages or any additional aircraft. i hope for this, because the simple that was in the supply of military weapons, perhaps

not simple, but a significant reduction in the amount of equipment and ammunition, especially artillery. ammunition of caliber 152 and 155 mm, it was a big problem for ukrainian soldiers, and thank god they managed to hold the front. the proportions of 1:10, which were very recently, if we are talking about the number of artillery shots from the ukrainian side and from the side of the russian aggressor, this is terrible disparity, but that disparity must change, and the artillery coalition must also work quickly. and here every day is important. if you say that the second half of the year is the key, then i will say that the first was also, it's just a pity that during that period the supply of equipment and weapons, as well as ammunition to ukraine decreased, and this was an immediate threat that the aggressor would succeed to break through the front line, which neither ukraine nor europe can afford. well, but we understand that war

is not only artillery, not only aviation and not only tanks, it's personal. composition and mobilization resource, and we understand that the russians have a mobilization resource more than in ukraine, yes, they are starting to look for people also in addition all over the world, creating some additional units of mercenaries, so on the other hand, we understand that there is a certain initiative president macron, he voiced it, i understand, president macron put many european politicians in a not too comfortable position, who now have to react to what president macron said. but i would like you to ask how you see the prospects for the involvement of troops, land forces of certain european union countries, if the situation becomes critical for us. yes, let's hope that this will not happen, but president macron has said his word, everyone needs to react to it somehow. there is

such a concept as strategic uncertainty, and we should use this concept for a long time, that is, drive it away. kremlin bandits into strategic uncertainty, into strategic ambiguity, and i believe that the initiative in this regard, president macron makes such sense that the russians do not think to themselves: doesn't europe provide for greater military support? this is how i understand it, as well as the minister of foreign affairs, radosław sikorski in poland, this is how i understand president macron's initiative, and in principle such a comment is sufficient. when we talk... about the european union and ukraine, we understand that we are entering the so-called negotiation process. yes, the negotiations are not only about the copenhagen criteria for democracy. negotiations are also about money, about quotas. well, we understand so that we had a history with ukrainian grain, the european union and part of the polish protesters who blocked the roads. yes, we understand that the situation may

not have become simpler, although there may have been, some additional mechanisms of regulation were involved . and we understand that bargaining for money is a holy matter even for the best neighbors, the way this whole thing will look, because there is the law of the european union, the legislation of the european union and there is the legislation of individual national states, in particular poland, hungary and so on, i don't want to compare poland with hungary, well, but we understand, orbán has his own vision, poland has his own vision, spain has his own, well, in italy there may be another separate one. we have our negotiating experience, and i must say that you are faster, you are faster than poland, because it took us four years to prepare for the start of negotiations on... the application was submitted in 1994 , and the negotiations started in 1998, you twice

faster, and in this sense, ukraine is formula 1, and we are only mercedes, because you have it took 2 years. from 2022 until now , a strategic decision has been made, and now we are talking about the implementation of its content. days of june, that is, in a few days, a decision will be made on the practical start of negotiations, that is, the eu will form a negotiating mandate and a so-called intergovernmental conference will be convened, this will guarantee that the negotiations will begin. from the very beginning, poland sincerely supported ukraine's accession to the eu, and will always support it, because you are our most important partner on the eastern side of the border. because of this we advocated that to start negotiations sooner and we advocate that those negotiations move forward quickly. so that there are no downtimes, so that there are no

inhibitions, so that they move forward, this is firstly, secondly, of course, there are areas in which both the eu, on the one hand, and ukraine, will have to adapt. ukraine is a powerful country with a large agricultural area and great strength of its agro-industry. certainly, there will have to be an adaptation of the eu's common agricultural policy, on the one hand, and on the other hand, the ukrainian agricultural sector. this effort will be for one and the other side. in negotiations, it is always the case that in order for both parties to achieve something, someone must give up something. such negotiations, and we had the most difficult negotiations, specifically regarding the agrarian sphere and regarding access to the labor market. you will not have difficult negotiations when it comes to access to the eu labor market, as ukrainians are already on the labor market of eu countries, including

poland. until recently, before the announcement of mobilization , there were more than 900,000 citizens of ukraine in poland. in particular, a lot workers without whom it will be difficult for the polish economy to function. we have an understanding of this. so access to the eu labor market, on the example of poland, you already have freedom of movement, so in your case there will not be such a big problem as we had with the austrians or the germans, that only a few years after joining the eu, our plumbers, carpenters, our carriers could get work in eu countries. instead, the eu will probably also have to adapt its mechanisms of structural and i must say that i was happy

to watch the course of the last conference on the reconstruction of ukraine. because two processes overlapped there, that is , the process of ukraine's accession to the european union and the process of rebuilding ukraine. these two processes cannot move. independent of each other, they must be intertwined, must go together. the accession of ukraine to the eu must be connected with the opening of some eu funds for ukraine, as well as a large fund for the reconstruction of ukraine, which must be coordinated in great detail by your administration, i.e. here you need to invest, there you need to invest, here you need to rebuild, there you need to to rebuild, and all this must be prescribed. as a very accurate map, so that there are no wrong or unnecessary investments, well, thank you very much for that extremely interesting conversation

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of the state duma, well-known video blogger, will work. glory to ukraine. mark, you are welcome. glory, glad to welcome everyone. glad to welcome anton. well, the civilized part of humanity held a summit. peace summit in switzerland. the uncivilized part went to report to their yes, north korean-chinese curators. so. the meeting took place with kim jong-un. well, accordingly, bread friendship samovar balalaika, but they signed the so-called security agreement, as far as we understand, for in order to strain the americans very much. japanese and south korea. mark, what do you think putin took to north korea? well, first of all, note that ukraine has been signing agreements on security guarantees for a long time, this is some form of monkeying around, because russia is now also signing an agreement on providing mutual security guarantees, their analogue, because there is a clause on military assistance, on conditions, in which an attack on one of the parties to the agreement will require military assistance from

the other. and so... further, that is, it is in some way sensei generally reminds that you have allies, and we also have allies, you have america over there, you signed such an agreement on june 13, ukraine signed such an agreement, and here we are signing with north korea, apparently, they also feel this value, putting the ambiguity of this agreement , this is firstly, secondly, look, this visit is both symbolic and practical, i underestimated the degree of its meaning, because how hitler went to see mussolini. and he could not have traveled, summoned to his place, but he still did it, and in this sense military allies, they become closer through such visits, see how it is the ideological, even unexpected side of this visit, in which putin reciprocates the north korean model of the system to russia, someone will say: well, it is impossible, where are the north koreans, where is the east, and where is russia, but judge for yourself, the totalitarian system, they are already the same, in a sense of its totalitarian

essence with separate, of course with... caveats, because russia still came out of a free state, north korea has never lived in such a state. the kim dynasty has ruled totalitarian communist north korea for 80 years, but we are already seeing trends: putin assembles its dynastic system. we have already talked about it more than once, since the may inauguration of his next term, the so-called term, of course no one elected him. he is building a dynastic totalitarian system. he is already involving relatives. just the other day, he appointed his niece, the daughter of a second cousin, a certain tsevilova, the wife of minister tsivilov, the former governor of kusbas, who is originally from st. petersburg, and made him deputy minister of defense, and before that dmitry patrushev was made deputy prime minister, and before that at the same time with this son yuriy kovalchuk made the head of the accounting chamber, my daughter.