to our civil society, they should know that this is possible, because we are asking for additional funding to nato for this, but how it works, well, i think that civil society does not need to know, at the same time it should be a mystery to the enemy, how the defense forces managed to set up a process that, at the expense of our drones, we now have the opportunity to shoot down enemy drones, and i will tell you this, that these practices in the absence of anti-aircraft means, the nomenclature of ammunition for them are an inseparable source of air defense, and the rate of shooting down enemy drones only increases every month. this is great news. mr. yuriy, i also want to talk to you about equipping the armed forces of ukraine with drones. in fact, we know that the defense procurement agency of the ministry of defense of ukraine has announced the conclusion of contracts for the purchase of drones. evil tongues often

say that no one sees these drones on the front, but i would like to ask you if you can refute this, my opinion cannot, as you understand, be representative, in full, i will say on the basis of the unit, we receive wing-type reconnaissance equipment in full from the state, wing-type strike equipment... we get it exclusively from volunteer organizations and semi-drones, fp-drones we get at the moment er-e 40% of what we use at the expense of state supplies, 60% at the expense of the ukrainian people and business, and taxpayers, in particular at the expense of local budgets, subventions as well, night bombers, which the enemy christened bavayag, in full...

we currently receive at the expense of state funding, i can compare in period of time, the beginning of the 23rd year, the spring of the 23rd year, we received 20% of the funds from the state and 80% due to the support of the ukrainian nation, at the current moment, if we averaged, say, about 60%, this is state funding, 40% if in general, to go by all means, 40, at the expense of the support of the ukrainian nation, and without this 40% we cannot ensure dynamic system work, that is why meetings are held all the time, and we ask ukrainians to help. the dynamics of hostilities are crazy, the costs of drones are crazy. i will give you a specific example about air defense we were talking now, we are taking two wing-type reconnaissance vehicles: five of the enemy and five of ours, and we are taking one week as a time stamp.

on one and the same line, we will lose five during the week, the enemy will lose two, the air defense system is much better adjusted against the enemy, since they have a military-industrial complex, it can produce both ammunition and the nomenclature itself in quantity firearms, now we started to shoot down the enemy drone at the expense of our own, the statistics have already increased, therefore, one way or another, according to my conviction, in the series we will be able to reach parity with the enemy, both in terms of defeat and, accordingly, in terms of providing defense forces, in our case, and compared to the fact that there is a russian occupation army. mr. yuri, please tell me what the dynamics of donations are, yes, how much harder or easier it is now to collect money from the population for drones. look,

the kharkiv company is starting, the enemy is crossing the state border line, the donations are at a high level, we will promptly receive the donation right away, we will make a request, officially we purchase, start the transmission, put on the balance of the brigade, shoot, because every penny must be accounted for, and a high level of assistance at the expense of the ukrainian nation, then telegram channels from... us, which are based on the statements of the general staff, appear. in the kharkiv district, the situation is stabilized, after which the donats immediately descend, although, as i said, the stabilization of the situation means that we have to spend three times more resources to knock the enemy out of our territory. here are these information campaigns, them must be carried out, in particular for the ukrainian population, we cannot demand from people that you are obliged, because people are working.

taxes to the state budget, from which these drones should be purchased, but the issue is that we are now in a war of national liberation, in a war that the russian occupier is leading to the destruction of ukraine. which nation and for the destruction of each of us. the state is in full measure, i said, why can't it be done, because the dynamics of hostilities were changing. accordingly, everyone should do what they can, including giving as much as possible so that the defense forces can beat the enemy here. there was a collision on the line, provide stabilization, advance. and you have to remember that the doors of our homes do not actually start from the cities where we live, but from the lines of desolation, because if the enemy, god forbid,... finds himself on the doorstep of your house, he will take everything you have acquired during your life and will take away the worn-out life, the health of your relatives, loved ones and yours directly, therefore the formula for ensuring victory is the unity of the ukrainian nation, one for each other, brother to

sisters, brother to brother, that's the only way we can defeat him. mr. yuryu, what you said about is certainly... errors of the information campaign, because when people are told about the stabilization of the front, the population perceives it, well, the information reassures them, and people also believe that it is already possible to go to that area pay less attention, i understand you correctly, that in this regard you have critical questions specifically for the general staff, how, who is providing this information, no, well... wait, the general staff, it reports to the ukrainian nation, yes, which the situation at the front, the situation is stabilized, but the question is that further there should be an explanation, and it should not be given to the general staffs, it should be given by the ministry of defense, in my opinion,

and in these explanations the following should sound: what does it mean that the situation is stabilized, what does that mean, how do we move forward, what resources do we need for this, from what can, of course... be taken out into the public space, and then everything will be okay. i understood you. i also want to talk with you about the actual specialties, which necessary to be an effective unit in a uav unit, because as i understand it, it's not just about the pilots, right? explain to our viewers what other specialties are needed besides people who can fly a drone. everyone who goes to the uav unit wants to get their hands on the remote control and press the same red button that sends the devils to hell on the mine field, but in order for one pilot to be in the air with his device, it is necessary

for the unit to be organized maintenance work and work of the calculation itself at least seven people work for... pilots, so the unit needs pilots, navigators, technicians, chargers, that is, if we talk about combat calculations, the unit needs masters who repair electrical equipment, who conduct drones in accordance with the day of use, each unit , which works efficiently at its base has a workshop for driving drones, compliance with daily use, an engineer who works with ammunition is needed. conducting ammunition in accordance with the use of the vehicle, drivers are needed, doctors are needed, needed cooks, and of course, the basis of the basics is communication, without communication it is impossible to manage troops,

signalmen are also boys and girls who must have the necessary fact, constantly improve, as the equipment changes dynamically, and this profession, it is also clitically important. communicating with our personnel, which i have the utmost respect for every representative of the achilles battalion, because they are motivated people who came to win this war. so, i explain that regardless of the position you were in, the effective performance of official duties in your place responsibilities, smart initiative and the desire to win, makes it possible for a specific drone to fly to a specific place at a specific time. and destroy the occupiers on the field, saving the lives of our military infantrymen, eliminating the enemy and ensuring stable dynamics, because uav units, as you know, and please tell me , as far as i know, your battalion is still

recruiting, right? yes, yes, absolutely, and what skills are needed to join you? read, write? to be in good physical shape, physical education it is useful to do it, even if you are her, because it is health, and to have... a high level of discipline and the awareness that you can protect the weapon in your hands is the only option, how you can effectively protect your family here and now, one's home, one's state, because situations on the battlefield are different, and the level of motivation is also different, it is not a stable unit, discipline always goes to meet and help, so you know, now... i say yes, a lot , who looks at the posters, we discussed it sometime in on the phone with civilian

representatives, with friends, and the question arose, who are the rexes who are on the posters, that they are special, well, this is the opinion in society, that they are special people, military men who have studied and trained all their lives, and are now effectively howling , but no, all those people who look at you from the posters are your neighbors of yesterday, these are teachers, these are entrepreneurs, these are doctors, these are workers, these are... builders and many others, the entire social growth is now fighting, and each of you with the right level of discipline, maybe to become highly effective in this war, by improving and gaining the necessary knowledge and skills, he will be able to save his own life, that of his brothers, fulfill the task of the battle and bring the victory of our state closer. mr. yuri, i also want to ask you in the end how much time is needed for preparation. a professional drone pilot, well, or a person who will

fully maintain an unmanned aerial vehicle, but we take a civilian military serviceman, come on, we take a civilian with the moral and business qualities that i said about previously: mobilization, general military training, where they teach the basics of military affairs, how to work with small arms, means of defense, tactical medicine, warehouse work. detachment of the ford and many other things, the basic level of training, this is only during dynamic combat operations, when offensive actions are carried out before the arrival of the defense forces, periodically the calculations of uavs enter direct shooting battles, they must be able to know how to do it with high efficiency and quality, one month has passed general military training, the following, in any case, specialized at least one month, there can be 45 virgins depending on the bp means, and then at least a month of work... in a unit with experienced crews who pass on knowledge and skills. on

the basis of the achilles battalion, both the training process and, accordingly , the training required in combat conditions are organized. and only after an experienced calculation says that the boys are ready to perform independent combat tasks, they begin to perform this task on their own. therefore, the training of pilots takes from a civilian person to a person who effectively performs tasks less. three months, if we talk about the amount of flight, at least 40 hours in the simulator, you need to have, if you are quick to absorb information, at least 60 hours of flight in rear conditions, and plus additionally, each pilot in order to successfully perform military tasks, has to independently pilot from 60 to 100 drones on different categories of enemy forces with a low level of efficiency, so to speak, to feel the m... technique, let's call it that, so it's not a quick process, officer training is not

a quick process, up to three months passes after the department of a lieutenant, for example, in order for him to be able to independently manage his bell, and to do it highly efficiently, for at least three months, this is despite the fact that he will be given knowledge and skills, sometimes it seems, i will say absolutely frankly, you think, well in we don't have any very deep... we have a lot of special knowledge, we fight effectively, and then, when young reinforcements come, that is , good-looking people who are capable, who are smart, but they have no combat experience. you understand what a crazy gap in knowledge and skills between civilians, yesterday, and you, because for 2.5 years we have been developing together with the enemy in a mirror, and sometimes we already know that the enemy has been made in advance, or what his plan will be, or what tactics he will act on and how to counter it in one or another situation by one or another means, therefore it is something that, unfortunately, cannot be bought, it cannot be told, it

must be acquired as part of a combat unit. mr. yuriy, i thank you very much for the time you found to talk with us, artem lygutenko was on the air with you, stay with us.

glory to ukraine, dear tv viewers, on the tv channel studio zahid program, we will analyze the most important events of this week, in particular, we will talk about the results of the swiss summit and we will analyze putin's visit to his henchman kim jong-un in north korea, ours. today's guests are the former minister of defense of poland, the chairman of the senate committee on european integration, bohdan klich, as well as the figure of the russian opposition in emigration, the former deputy of the state duma, mark fegin. an extremely important conversation is currently on the air of the tv channel, our guest bohdan klig, ex-minister of defense of the republic of poland, chairman of the senate commission on european union affairs. congratulations, mr.

bohdan, glory to ukraine. good afternoon, glory to ukraine. glory to heroes. well, the key story. in ukraine , they reacted extremely painfully to the story of the polish patriots, perhaps not fully understanding what they are, so i would like to ask you to tell me what is the position of poland, whether we have a chance to get american patriots or polish patriots, and in general, what do you think of the concept that poland, perhaps together with our other western allies, would cover part of our ukrainian sky from russian missiles. first of all, it should be said that polish-ukrainian military cooperation has its own history, i myself am responsible for part of this history, when i was the deputy prime minister of defense in 1999-2000, and later when i became the minister of defense, believing that there is no safe poland without an independent ukraine. and this opinion is supported by

a significant number of the polish political elite. and since 1991, she has not... evasively is implemented, and especially now during the war, both the first war and the second war of russia against ukraine. that is why poland is one of the main donors when it comes to military support for ukraine. i mean support with military equipment and ammunition. and this is from the first days after february 24, 2022. there is the question of the aviation coalition, the armored coalition. and i understand that you are asking about the last one, since there are gaps in your sky, while it should be as closed as possible, and therefore poland supports all the actions of those countries that have anti-aircraft weapons

aimed at the needs of ukraine, we ourselves delivered part of our anti-aircraft weapons to ukraine, when we still had more of them in storage. the question about the polish patriots is a false question, because unfortunately we only have two patriot batteries. yes, we don't have them anymore. because of this, we cannot afford to open our sky. but the americans stationed in poland have several batteries, so the protection by one american battery announced by president biden will be essential for ukraine. and i understand that the americans made such a decision, but it cannot end there, since president zelensky expects more and is right in these expectations. must deploy their anti-aircraft and anti-missile defense systems, as well as those with such advanced systems. i mean our nato allies from the west. well, we know that there is, for example,

spain, there are many other countries that have patriot systems. we understand that perhaps they will not need them as hotly as we do, so we understand that russia began to conduct the so-called syrian approach to the war, which means strikes on civilian cities, on civilian objects, killing civilians, this is barbarism, this is an atrocity, but the russians are going for it, and accordingly, the key task is to convince our western friends and allies to help us strengthen, as you rightly noted, our anti-aircraft defense, and accordingly petrio... there are many countries, but it is difficult to get them, and it is not only a question of money, maybe there are some additional tools in addition to purely moral ones, but the russians kill kharkiv residents, for example, that's how they hit. there were people at the supermarket on the weekend and they dropped a guided aerial bomb, this is barbarism, this is an atrocity, but it happened, this is not a matter of recent days, it is a matter of two whole years

of that terrible and brutal war that putin started against ukraine. i am aware of that, and so are many of my friends, not all of course, that this is a war to destroy the ukrainian state, it is not just a war for territory, it is a war with the first goal. which is the destruction of ukrainian statehood, but also to destroy the ukrainian people, and this is not the first time, the russians are trying to destroy the ukrainian people, because they have done it in the past, at least remember the holodomor, it was the biggest example of that in stalin's time, so there are two goals of putin when it comes to ukraine, and in this regard, most of us have no doubt, if we can convince others, that putin has two more goals left. which directly affect europe and nato directly, then it may be easier to look for the kind of weapons you are talking about, because putin's next two goals are destabilization of europe and paralysis

nato. once again, the destabilization of the european union and the paralysis of the north atlantic alliance. and some of us are aware of this, but again not all of us. in this regard, your rhetoric should ensure that the consciousness... of those four goals that putin has set for himself, once again, the destruction of the ukrainian state, the destabilization of nato and the destabilization of the eu, the paralysis of nato and the destruction of the ukrainian people, which all these are goals that threaten not only the residents of kharkiv, kyiv or lviv, but also the residents of madrid, lisbon, london or rome. this is ours common threat well, accordingly, what should we do, how should we properly build a tough response. response to the russian aggressor, why i say tough, because it must be a joint decision of the nato member countries on the one hand, well at least on the european continent, because in a few months

the situation in the united states may change, and we do not know what it will be the situation in the united states when donald trump will become president, but president macron is already preparing for certain scenarios, in lithuania, latvia, estonia is also preparing for certain additional scenarios, as far as i understand, are being prepared in poland for what... can happen, we understand that russia does not need to curtail its aggression, because they are involved in a so-called long war, and a long war means large resources, a large number losses, and we understand who, in the event of something, will be the first additional victims of russian aggression, these are the countries listed above: poland, lithuania, latvia, estonia. we are aware of this not from today, that there is a threat from russia. but it is good that nato now has a broad understanding of this. please note that during the summit in madrid, a new strategic concept was adopted, in which it is said, here

i am speaking from memory, that russia is the immediate and main threat to the entire north atlantic alliance, not only to the eastern flank, poland, lithuania, latvia and estonia, and for nato as a whole. so over the years, this awareness has taken root, and secondly, it is important. there are decisions made at the same time, made by nato, namely, raising the level of cooperation with ukraine to the nato-ukraine joint council, where ukraine has the right to participate in decision-making. this is no longer a commission nato-ukraine is the nato-ukraine council. thirdly, the fund that nato created to support ukraine, and which will be increased within nato by the european union, is also important. i repeat everywhere that the eu survived the copernican revolution and... i have been dealing with the eu since 1994 and never before have i seen the european union act so quickly and so decisively as in the ukrainian issues,

never before, perhaps in the coronavirus issues, the union as well was decisive, but now i spoke at a conference here in lviv about the fact that if eu decision-making is customary stretches for two months and three months, and sometimes even longer, as for the issues of ukraine, they are accepted in... for two weeks, from two to three weeks. this is the speed of formula 1 to mercedes. the eu also decided to financially support the transfer of weapons and military equipment to ukraine. who would have thought that the eu would do such things? this has never been done before. they even used a special mechanism for what is the european peace facility, from which money goes to reimburse funds for the transfer armament. and military equipment to those countries that do it, that is, the eu is directly involved in the supply of weapons and combat equipment, that is, ammunition for the ukrainian

military, which is fighting. and finally, the third point, this is a whole system of sanctions, both eu and american, which worked much faster by agreement, because the european union launched the first package of sanctions on the eve of february 24, that is, before the start of the second russian invasion of ukraine. if you are asking about those sources of military aid, then it is obvious what is needed remember the americans who delayed for a long time. it was a very long pause, but in the end , the us congress allocated those 60 dollars for purely military aid to ukraine, and they are already being implemented. therefore, ukraine is not left to fend for itself, neither by the states, nor by nato, nor by the eu, nor by individual countries, such as poland, which has been a donor of arms and ammunition for ukraine since the first days. and countries that joined later, such as germany or france. polish-ukrainian-lithuanian brigade. yes, we understand that the story about...

the ukrainian joint brigade is extraordinary it is important, it was created and you, one of its co-authors, well, accordingly wanted to ask what it is, where it is, how it is now and whether there are chances to finally create a powerful, you know, military unit of the triangle of poland, lithuania and ukraine. there was such an evening when i was sitting at a table covered with papers and at a certain moment i received information about what was happening with the polish-ukrainian and polish-lithuanian battalions. because such battalions functioned earlier, especially with regard to the military mission in kosovo or bosnia and herzegovina. and i i thought to myself, why not make a joint polish-ukrainian-lithuanian brigade? why not transfer these three lines of cooperation to the military sphere as well. in connection with that, i have certain copyrights, copyright on this project. we discussed it with our colleagues and presented

this idea to the ukrainian and lithuanian sides, and they approved it. both in vilnius and in kyiv. at the end of 2009 , we signed a memorandum of understanding in this case with ukrainians and lithuanians. and in a few years, the team was ready for implementation operations and it has existed for about 10 years. only at this moment, since the start of another war by russia against ukraine, it has gained additional meaning. i can only say that it is involved in supporting ukraine with weapons and ammunition. and does it effectively, but it is also worth saying that everything cannot end there, that is, there are further levels of military integration into ukraine, and i believe that such a brigade should be increased to the rank of a division, and this division should consist of brigades that would be designated by individual countries, and possibly in the future it would be possible to create a corps that would include the divisions of individual countries, the problem is only with...

the lithuanian side due to the fact that it has smaller armed forces, but there are no problems with the ukrainian and polish sides, such a corps, or such a division, and then the corps makes sense, because it is an excellent transfer of all knowledge about how nato works to the ukrainian and lithuanian military, but at this moment, after your experience from the battlefield, from real war, because it is a terrible, but real war, transfer it is also possible in the other direction, now we are in... we can do a lot from you what to learn my conclusion is as follows: until ukraine becomes a formal member of nato, such communication channels should be created so that nato soldiers learn from ukrainians, and ukrainians from nato soldiers, and to integrate these armed forces as much as possible. yes, an extremely important signal, i heard you, well , let's keep our fingers crossed so that the division really rises first, and then possibly

the corps. but, speaking. more about such small steps of the president.