so what! good health, 18:29 minutes and 56 seconds on our clocks, we will talk about energy, mr. ivan plachkov, two-time minister of fuel, energy, informed us that he is a little late, i just have one or two minutes to inform circle, talk about the range of issues that we will discuss, it is obvious that the main question is how many power plants do we have in general, sir? zelenskyi, the president

says that thousands of small things need to be done, the committee of the verkhovna rada approved and supported the completion of the third and fourth blocks no one knows whether the khmelnytskyi nuclear power plant is possible, because you understand that it must be built for years, well , the committee says that it will take 3-4 years, i am not convinced that 3-4 is an average of 10 years and 10 billion dollars, no, no... hryvnias and so on, these are all very difficult moments, difficult processes, how to meet the winter, how to overcome the winter, i think that this is the most important question facing the whole of ukraine, i will tell you , that these blackouts were the other day, i survived them quite easily, but not because i had light, i it was not there, like everyone else, but i had a computer, i... had the internet, i was somehow

there, at least i entertained myself by reading various, various documents, various stories and so on and so on, but we all understand that if there is no power even for the internet, then sooner or later the internet will disappear, and it will already be a very bad story, well, the second, and the second point, this is definitely the point that the eastern regions of ukraine, they can very much to suffer from... which means that migration is possible, which means great dangers in logistics and so on. so, ivan plachkov, minister of fuel and energy of ukraine, 99th, 2005, 2006, chairman of the council of the union of the all-ukrainian energy assembly, good health, mr. ivan, thank you for finding time for us. congratulations, good health to everyone. good health, the question is, is there, is it even possible to answer this question? i'm not sure

if it's possible, but i'll put it to you, and you tell me, no, we can't talk about it now, in winter, what's more realistic, 5-6 hours of no light, or 5-6 hours of light in the homes of ukrainians, which is more realistic today, can't we now think about what will happen in six months, please, mr. ivan, we can't think about what will happen not only in six months. we cannot think about what will happen tomorrow and a week later, because we see that the situation is constantly changing, the enemy will not calm down, blows are coming, we know that a day ago there was an attack on the energy infrastructure, an energy worker died, that is why we live in such an online mode, and as for... there will be electricity for 6 hours, and

then there will be, i think it will be different, for example, weekends, it will be one situation, if there are warm days, another situation, so there will not be the same situation, but it will still be difficult and in any case, is it possible, you say online, are schedules possible on... to build in advance so that a person in kyiv, in lviv, in khmelnytskyi would definitely understand that at three o'clock there would be guaranteed no light and it wouldn't be there until six o'clock, and then if you could imagine how to behave, whether this situation is like this , that we cannot define such clear graphs, we can define such graphs, but... if we

let's work like this, the energy companies should have taken some kind of reserve with a reserve, for example. it would be possible somewhere there to turn off the lights for four hours, and they, in order to do everything, they will do it there after 6 hours, why? because i say again, there are changes, there is no constant volume of consumption, we have peak hours, there are off-peak hours, consumption depends on the weather, consumption depends on many factors. therefore, power engineers today work as if according to schedules, these schedules are developed, but if there is an opportunity to supply electricity, they supply this electricity, and it also depends on what kind of infrastructure we will have in terms of

distribution networks, high-voltage lines, there are transformers, if they work before the load, they turn off. well, if at all, it is not possible to work according to such schedules, unfortunately. now these big discussions are going on, so mr. president said that 1 g of distributed generation by the end of the 24th year, all the energy experts said, this cannot be, because it can never be, this, god forbid, in the 25th i have that. to create such generation on the territory of ukraine, are you for the whites or the reds, are you for the president or against? look, in this case, i'm for the president, why, because the president was simply misled, what is od 1 gv before

winter, not to build, restore on those. stations that are damaged, for example, there is a power station with five units of 200 mw each, there are 12 power units, there are seven, they are all damaged, but not all units are destroyed, so it is possible to restore, repair at power stations somewhere six or seven power units with a total capacity of 1 g and before the start of the shameful season, that's it. not to build, to restore, and the president, of course, he should not understand this situation, but with regard to the khmelnytskyi nuclear power plant, how realistic is it to build the third and fourth units in four years, here

i am definitely against the council committee, i believe that this it is impossible in 3-4 years, it is impossible to find such an amount of money and do it all so quickly. the more harm will be done to russia constantly, it is obvious, look, well, here we need to understand in more detail what is meant, we definitely need to build blocks for a nuclear power plant, in our country , this is our way, when to start building, when we can and will build, what is the law of the verkhovna rada, he said, it is in order to start... we need legislation, accordingly , legislation, regulations documents and so on, and these laws are adopted, but in order to adopt a technique , economic justification is needed,

the type of reactors needs to be chosen, and so on, unfortunately, energoatom proposed the construction of a block on the basis of russian reactors that were, bulgaria bought 10- 12 years ago, they lie there, and and in order to start construction, it is necessary to reconstruct those constructions that have been made, no one will give us a guarantee of the safety of the radiation safety operation of that reactor. in general, it is necessary to build, but the way it was proposed by energoatom, it is absolutely not expedient, and as for four years, it is impossible, well, that means

we should forget about this russian atomic world and goats, as far as i remember wow, the name of this place is so strange, where they want to build this nuclear plant in... in bulgaria and just look at the americans, ask the americans westenhouse, who , they say, long ago, since the 90s, offered his ambassadors. servants, but we will not go into all the tenets of energy and atomic energy problems, we will not mention the various surnames of various beautiful people who are now known to have been russian spies, but still, so we just have to forget about it and start talking with the americans or with the french, they say that the french have an excellent nuclear power plant, one of the best. in europe and just try to do such, well, cooperation just with our

normal partners, right? i understand mr. wang. well, the french have the most powerful nuclear energy and it is the most modern, it is very developed . as for westinghouse, you know, there is an intrigue, westinghouse is a very big company, westinghouse's nuclear energy division is in the last difficult situation. 15, bulgaria concluded an agreement to build two power units at swestenhaus and a thousand westinghouse units at kazladuye, and those units that were planned to be built at belyana, we are planning to buy them for 800 million. and we will also build a vestirga here. and here the intrigue is very, very simple: westinghouse tells

ukraine, we will help you, you receive 800 million, you will buy reactors from bulgaria, and bulgaria will have the opportunity to pay westinghouse for the construction of their modern reactors, and we will help you build on the basis of these these these reactors. russian crosatoms, which are located in bulgaria, and these are only reactors and pipelines, a steam generator, there is nothing else there, and westinghouse, which is at the stage of bankruptcy, he shows the creditors that you see, i have two contracts in bulgaria for two power units and two contracts in ukraine, so soon the situation will level out and so on and so on, this is such a very simple intrigue for... which we do not we have to give consent, but what should we do, we can't do it ourselves, vestinghaus is under

the question of the russian energoatom - it's just a disaster, so what, what then? we need, we need to work with westinghouse, but not on the basis of russian reactors, for which we do not receive any guarantees. is at westinghouse for ar1000 reactors are to be built now, if they are to be built. not the third, fourth, fifth, sixth at the new site, and as for four years, it is unrealistic, because one power unit costs today, it costs at least 5 billion dollars, i don't know where we will find 10 billion dollars for that we build units at the khmelnytskyi nuclear power station, we need today to restore... at those existing power stations to build the distribution

generation, which we said, these are gas pistons, gas turbine units, around our of the gas transportation system, there is a gas pumping station, and so on, well, this is a very difficult issue, it is simply necessary that specialists sit down, professionals, and they ... understood, and developed an action plan for the near term and beyond, what we are doing tomorrow, unfortunately, this is not the case, as i have said many times, the energy sector is not coordinated, all companies work like partisan camps, including energoatom, which has its own ideas , in their hydropower ideas in... their own actions, no one has a coordination center for the management of the industry

today, and this is extremely necessary, in other words, clarify, please, mr. minister, what is distributed generation, it is thousands of small, if possible thousands of ap devices, as i understand it, and we imagine how many thousands, how many are needed and what for kyiv, lviv. to khmelnytskyi, to odessa and so on, well, that is, in my head it is very simple, like what you say, there must be someone who knows everything, that is, all of ukraine with... how many do we need, here we need 10 of such strength, here you need two, and there you need 150, but there is no need at all, well , for example, near that khmelnytskyi you can feed from the khmelnytskyi as, this city, well , this, this is a simple story, please, i still have the generation already distributed, how many of us in we destroyed

a lot of thermal power plants, a dozen, 10 there... 11 and they were distributed throughout the territory of ukraine, and they were of different power in different cities from the point of view of such an even distribution because we have and everything for us is evenly distributed consumption, it was coal stations, theirs it is difficult to restore, i think that there is no point in ... to restore everything now, so approximately according to the distribution that was, we have a very developed gas transportation system to build a different type of power plants, now for today in order for us to survive these five or six difficult years, which we will have at the base, which will work on

will work on gas, and it will be gas-piston, gas-turbine. power plants, we must see where these gas pipelines are, where these gas distribution stations and so on, this will be the scheme, we are not talking about thousands, tens of thousands, we are talking about hundreds of these power plants all over the territory where it is important, where there is gas, thank you very much, a huge thank you to ivan plachkov, minister of fuel and energy of ukraine, twice minister, chairman of the council... of the all-ukrainian energy assembly, once again, on behalf of all ukrainians, i think everyone will join in, i would like to express a big thank you to our energy workers, who really are what we have, something tells me that if it were not for their heroism, we would not have this despite all the blackouts and so on and so on. now we have enough

we are instantly transferred from the energy topic to the hungarian topic. and we see, you can already see orban next to me, he is standing here, and i hope to see not orban, but tibor tompa, the head of the hungarian community of kyiv region. mr. tiber, good health, thank you for finding time for us, thank you very much, good day, mr. mykola, good day to all tv viewers, glory to ukraine, glory to the heroes, i have a first for you. the question is, well, i don't know, but human, i think it's just human, how are you, mr. tiberus, how do the magyars live, when half of ukraine looks at orman and curses that orman, and therefore they curse the magyars, and i already hear a lot of gossip and rumors that even on the border

the magyars are worse than the slovaks, and poles and romanians, and shorter in... i do, you, you hide that you are hungarian, and your friends hide, they go around, speak in ukrainian and say, no, no, no, we are not magyars, we are ukrainians, because, well, because this it's scary to live, thank god, thank god, i'm not hiding anything, and thank god, i'm a ukrainian hungarian, i'm a citizen of ukraine, and what orban is doing, forgive me, don't come back. to call him sir is a shame and shame for the entire hungarian nation, the entire hungarian people, by the way, i feel very good in ukraine, very good, this is my homeland, yes , i am hungarian by origin, but i repeat, i am a citizen of ukraine, and i have many more

rights, probably in ukraine than in hungary, in hungary, because orbán built such a semi-dictatorship there already transitioning to a total dictatorship, the only problem in ukraine is the racist war, racist aggression, if this is not a vile racist act, in general we would live very, very well, i have lived in ukraine for more than 60 years, and i rest here very, very much. well, i never wanted to move to hungary, just like many hungarians living in kyiv region and other regions of ukraine. look, that is, you do not... record, the hungarian community does not record any troubles, attacks or insults, whether there is paint throwing or something like that, hungarians

do not feel this, there are absolutely no threats in ukraine, that's right, i understood you, forgive me never not that these paints what you said, nothing like that has ever happened, no oppression of the hungarian community, i think of other communities. with regard to hungarians , there was absolutely nothing, i would definitely say that there is positive discrimination against hungarians in ukraine, that is, if you speak the ukrainian language at a very high level, and it is necessary to speak it, you have a huge competitive ability, so that you know not only the ukrainian language, all hungarians actually speak the hungarian language, because... this language will not go away from them, so forgive me, no, no oppression, unfortunately, what orbán is talking about and will continue to talk about, and he

uses, unfortunately, our national minority, the hungarian minority, and not only in ukraine, but in the whole world, to achieve his such low political goals, i say once again that this is a shame and a shame, what can we all expect? from the presidency of hungary in the eu for six months, i will explain for the audience, each country has six months of presidency in the eu, in the council of the european community, and right now the new year is coming, hungary's time is actually coming, and that orban is probably planning something there , well, we are. we all understand that probably the agenda that he will make, there will not be a lot of ukraine there, there will be something else, but that we should worry, be afraid, nervous, or what

should we do, or be calm, well, he does his own thing, he does his own thing , we have to do our part, so i would ask a question, really, mr. mykola, you are right, we have to do our part, fulfill our task in relation to the euro-atlantic movement, and i would like for... all of ukraine, the entire ukrainian community, that nothing orbán will not succeed, he will not be able to do anything, even if he wanted to, he would make such ukrainophobic statements, pro-racist narratives there, but thank god, european institutions are so regulated today that he will not be able to do anything, there will be certain such informative meetings, but decisions in... but he will accept, thank god, not orban, therefore, even knowing how he is disposed against ukraine, i believe

that he will still not be able to do anything, by the way, he has a lot of his own internal and external problems, i already i don't say that it is isolated and, by the way, it is affected not only by coffee. okay, let's talk about the mood in hungary, in general, how good are the chances of peter magyar, who is such a strong enough opponent of orbán, i don't like him in everything, but competition is always better than no competition, what kind of person is he, as far as we we can believe that finally the hungarian society will leave. from orman and will come to something else, i don't know, maybe this other one won't be much better, but just change these faces, if i, i would i thought, please forgive me, yes indeed,

this 14-year joint rule of orbán says that the majority of hungarian society in hungary is sick, sick of historicism, sick of serfdom and so on. returning to mr. peter magyar, he can really be called mr. unlike orbán, an aristocrat, a young man, 42 years old, broke away from the fidesz party, and exposed all the corruption schemes that orbán has been doing for the last 14 years in hungary, and by the way, yes, you are right that not everything is him, so far, i must say, not with us and ukraine yet, because he really had them. stated that he supports the provision of arms to ukraine, but on the other hand he stated that orbán has done such a thing to hungarian society that if he announced that he was providing arms to ukraine, he

would be... simply removed from the battle, but i know that he conducted negotiations with the ukrainian elite, we need to cooperate with him, today his rating is 31%, this is literally after two or three months of work, orban has 44%, that is, if he continues like this, then what you said that by the end of the year, he has a chance to overtake orbán, and in the next elections, in 2026 , there is every chance that he will replace orbán. one more question, you mentioned corruption schemes, i see such a parallel with the state of israel, where many people believe that netanyahu holds on to power not because he likes it very much, that as soon as he ceases to be prime minister, he will simply they will invite him to the court and begin some legal reprimands against him. orban to what extent are these

corruption schemes, they exist, to what extent how is it possible to imagine that if he is not the prime minister, then he, well, i'm not talking about prison, but somewhere there he can be invited to the prosecutor's office, how well-founded are these accusations, what do you say, mr. tiber, well, the european union has determined , that orbán's hungary is the worst. the most corrupt country in the european union, and in terms of percentage of allocations, what is allocated by the european union to hungary, most of all such money was redirected to those oligarchs who are very close to the orbán family or are part of orbán's family, that is, it is not a secret, everyone knows about it, and some of my

hungarian and... sociologists even say that probably, if orbán leaves power, he will spend his retirement, probably in st. petersburg to rest already, or beyond the urals. another important question, i think one of the most important, we keep saying that supposedly, i just really don't know, this condescension of mr. orbán to mr. putin, you don't like the word sir, to these... all people, okay, but because it seems that gas is cheap, and how true it is, how much hungarians feel it, they say, it’s cool here, we don’t have expensive gas, so i went to slovakia, but it’s more expensive there, in romania it ’s more expensive, but we have a wonderful life, orbán organized everything for us, we have cheap gas, we are less we pay and so on and the like, where.

where, is there truth here, or can we say here, yes, indeed, they live better than their neighbors, because they are friends from russia, unfortunately, not so, again, according to european statistics, orbán's hungary is the poorest country of the european union, the most expensive gas, no believe me, in the european union in hungary, if you take 1 cubic meter of gas, then in hungary it is for us. population, one cubic meter of gas costs an order of magnitude, that is, 10 times more expensive than in ukraine, poverty is huge, more than 3.5 million people in hungary live below the poverty line, so forgive me, on the other hand, the question arises, why then does the hungarian population suffer, and endures because historicism, the same serfdom was the longest in hungary, unlike

other european countries, but thank god, where we have a powerful hungarian the intelligentsia, the aristocracy, the same budapest, orban lost with a bang, there already in a row, the anti-orban mayor won for the second time, well, coming back to what you say that i don't like mr. orban, well, it's not for nothing that they say to him, you know, as comrade orban, and a comrade, he is a comrade. well, for me in general, you know, for me, mr. tibor, it is strange, the year 56, i remember constantly, and it was not such a sluggish self-defense as in czechoslovakia, in 68, it was a real struggle in the streets against the regular soviet army , and people shot, killed, and and fought for a shorter time, not just there by itself'.