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relations between ukraine and the european union, she is broadcast from brussels. congratulations, ms. maria. good evening so, the negotiations on joining the european union with ukraine and moldova are starting, as far as i understand, this is such a package process that has already started, what will it look like? it is quite dynamic and quite interesting from the point of view of both procedure and political processes. course. indeed, ukraine and moldova went hand-in-hand from the beginning, and this was very visible from the way the preparations for the intergovernmental conferences, which will be held on june 25 in luxembourg and will actually launch the negotiation process, both for moldova and for ukraine, lasted, this was conveyed by several the requirements that the european commission set for both ukraine and moldova, we were very dynamic... talk in particular with hungary,

so now we and moldova have received the green light, these intergovernmental conferences will be held on the 25th, and we can say that we we are opening this real political-technical-bureaucratic stage of our negotiations, and here it will be very interesting, of course , to observe how this process will proceed, because it is a very ambitious path, 35 sections, negotiating, a negotiating team has been formed, it is also important to note that the first and main section is the so-called fundamentals, that is, the main reforms, among which are the rule of law and the fight against corruption, judicial reform, so really, the process, starting from june 25, simply acquires an absolutely practical character, and how will it be in the future to develop, that's what will happen, they created these delegations of ukraine and... great, they

are coming to brussels, what's next? they will go to brussels very often, there will be a lot of, of course, online negotiations, a lot will be involved from the ukrainian side and relevant ministries, if you look at how the negotiating team is formed, then all key ministries are present, the verkhovna rada of ukraine is involved, as well as state agencies profile, and now according to each section it is... a very clear process is prescribed, there are so-called benchmarks or indicators, these indicators must be met both for the opening of the negotiation section, there are also separate indicators for the closing of the negotiation section, and this was also preceded, that is, how we determined these indicators, by a very large number of explanatory sessions that the government of ukraine held together with the european commission , where we explained what our actual state of affairs is in each specific field, for example, in customs, regarding the fitus. sanitary standards in

the energy industry, because there are a lot of sections, they are related to the economic bloc, to ours joining the single market of the european union, these negotiations will continue in the future, and it is important to say here that the decision of all 27 members of the european union member states will be needed to close each of these chapters, so in principle, we have to work a lot not only. with brussels, and continue to work with national parliaments and national governments of key states. further, of course, given the dynamics, it can be expected that ukraine will maintain this ambitious nature of the negotiations, and at best, for several years, there are a lot of different assessments, but we must not forget that we are a country that, in parallel with this process, is waging a full-scale war and is trying with all its might to win it. after that

, the accession agreement will be signed, this is a separate ratification procedure, and only after this accession agreement is ratified, it can be assumed that ukraine will become... a full-fledged member of the european union, so i am right when i say that it will still be a package situation, that ukraine and moldova will go together and at the same time should be accepted of the european union, can they be separated at some point? you know, moldova and ukraine are not just the two of us, they are knocking on the door of the european union, let's not forget that there are other countries of the balkans, there are also other countries. the idea that one should not forget about the eastern partnership, as such, and georgia is there, azerbaijan and armenia are there, and there is a clear political will for the next wave of expansion, it really happens as a package, so who will be in it package, it depends, and by the way,

ukraine insisted on this approach, it should be applied like this the so-called merit based approach, i.e. each country must be evaluated separately for its successes and achievements and... progress in the fulfillment of the commitments and in the implementation, including the reform of the law of the european union, and on the basis of this comprehensive assessment must be carried out and decision-making, although of course we know very well that there are certain countries, members of the european union, which are very active, for example, lobbying for the western balkans, there are countries, neighbors of moldova, which are lobbying for obvious political, economic and security reasons. and promote entry into the european union union of moldova, that is, we need to learn from it and build these regional coalitions, by the way, we will need this very much during the negotiations with brussels. and tell me, the situation itself is connected with the fact that ukraine and the republic of moldova do not

fully control their territories. this is so common that we will be united by the history with transnistria, and the history with crimea and donbas, and now with zaporizhzhia and the kherson region, we don't... know when these negotiations will end and what will happen at that moment with territorial problems of both countries, how will they be reflected in the introduction? this is a very important issue, but it has been raised several times in our formal and informal dialogues with the european side, there is the so -called precedent or case of cyprus, and very clearly the association agreement and the fundamental... agreements of the european union, on which the negotiations are actually based with any accession country, they say that there is respect for the territorial integrity, for the sovereign right of the country, this territorial integrity

to the extent and within the boundaries that determined in fact by the applicant country, to be submitted to the european union. that is, there is a very clear position that in no case will the european union at any stage of the negotiations recognize the temporarily occupied territories with any other status than those that will be returned to ukraine in the future, accordingly, from this point of view, there are very clearly legally prescribed procedures here , which in no way prevent ukraine from moving towards the european union. and tell me... before the decision to start the changes was made, it was possible to overcome the resistance of hungary, but in exchange for the fact that they said that these issues that she raises, the issues of national minorities there, will be part of these framework negotiations, which will mean in practice that we will conduct a separate track of negotiations with hungary, or the european union will

set us certain requirements that must be met for entry, and the rest, mr. vitaly, because the bilateral track between us and hungary began already... a long time ago, even before ukraine signed the association agreement, still very we have been in talks for a long time in this regard as well rights of national minorities and in relation to language legislation, and we must not forget that starting from july 1 this year, which is literally in a week, hungary will take over the presidency of the council of the european union, accordingly, we all understand, and this was announced under at the time of the meeting of the ambassadors of the member states of the european union at the meeting where the preparation for the intergovernmental conference was actually unblocked, that hungary will keep this issue under control, now we can say that they have found a more diplomatic way out of the situation that gave rise to this

exit and this decision gave an opportunity , including to orbán, to say that his demands were fulfilled and they will continue to clearly monitor and... you are absolutely right that we will have to conduct this dialogue and prove our progress not only in brussels, but also in our bilateral negotiations with the hungarian side. do i understand correctly that this first stage of the negotiations will generally fall on the hungarian presidency? not quite, because we do not yet know what the dynamics of our dialogue will be in general about these aspects of the first part, about the fundamental reforms, that is, we will definitely be able to open this chapter during the hungarian presidency, but how the dynamics will go on, here really a lot depends on the ukrainian side, how quickly and how dynamically and... we will actively fulfill precisely those obligations and those

reforms that are prescribed in this section, well , a lot will depend on how the european commission will actually be rebooted, updated, how key positions will be distributed, because one way or another it also affects the dynamics of negotiations and in general more comprehensively on the processes and attitude to the future expansion of the european union, so here... on the one hand, you cannot underestimate the influence of hungary, and on the other hand , you cannot say that it will be some kind of disaster, and you can explain why european leaders do not were able to agree on the new leadership of the european union at their last meeting, they believed that this was just a, i would say procedural moment, a dinner where everything would be agreed, and nothing was agreed as a result, well, in fact, that's what they were going to do, they were going to leave with this... formal-informal meeting, because there was a formal part, there was also a closed informal part of the negotiations,

at least with a specific list of candidates for key positions with political agreements to support these candidates, it did not happen and did not happen for various reasons, - firstly, as the results of the elections to the european parliament showed, this is a kind of cross-section of sentiments on the european union, the next one will be quite colorful. composition of the european parliament, different camps are quite divided, despite the fact that even the key party of the european conservatives and the ppp, it has strengthened its position, but they alone are not enough to approve, for example, the same ursula funderlajen as the head of the european commission, and now the negotiations are ongoing, primarily they are ongoing regarding this position of the head of the european commission , because... that it is one of the key positions, and here it is important to remember that it all happens

comprehensively, in a package, the mathematical principle has a strong influence, that is, everyone just sits and counts the votes, whether there will be enough votes in the european parliament, in order for this approval to take place, and in order for there to be a sufficient number of votes, the ruling party, which won, will now have to negotiate with the social democrats, and... the group , including the group led by led by ms. meloni, and this is a rather complicated process, that is , no one expects any drastic changes, but everyone understands that the situation here is such that it will not allow them to rest, from august until the end of october, when the new composition of the european commission will be approved. thank you, thank you mrs. maria, maria golyb, an expert on european integration, then... we had the exchange between ukraine and the european union on the air from brussels, and now from europe

to the middle east. aria zayden, israeli political scientist, reserve lieutenant colonel of the israel defense forces, will be on our air now. greetings , madam, mr. orie. good day. good evening. so, the 261st day of the war in the middle east, already solid numbers, i would say. and until a few days ago, it was believed that such a moment of reconciliation, at least a ceasefire, could come , president biden spoke with his plans, there were proposals from mediators between israel and hamas, now they are talking not so much about this, but about a possible new war between israel and hezbollah, already on the territory of lebanon, which is actually happening and which can really become not... more important in the coming weeks, please, uh, i don't think that the next phase of intelligence on the events of the war

with hezbollah, which has been going on for 8 months, can be called a new war, or a part, in the military sense, it is just a transition from a positional war to a maneuver. it is clear that hesbala does not know how to maneuver, it knows how to maneuver only the king, they build. thus, so that, ah, stagal arranges such deep strokes, as they always did at 20-30. and hezbollah at this moment is hitting the israeli pin, as you and i admit, mostly hezbollah is based in the northern part of lebanon, its main units and missile units are located there, ah, and

now... the tasks, the main task of tzakal will be to the first to maneuver the southern part, the northern part is possible air in order to reduce the strikes on the israeli, this development is not only possible, but logical, yes, we fought in 2008, most likely, so they can. if the question was only a military one, then all of this would probably have happened about six months ago, the question of the ground maneuver in lebanon is not a purely military question, but more of a political one, and

when we talk about the fact that there are approximately 50,000 lebanese and canadians in lebanon. total citizenship of 150,000 earthly citizenship of the united states, when the united states is not too interested in this war developing, and kryzbala himself is not too interested in it, and neither is israel, if possible, will want to resolve this issue diplomatically, so in my view it is still on... let's end on very serious rhetoric and somehow come to an agreement in a few months, after it's all over in the south, after , like tychattin who will come to the insurgent front, after they fly, they are ready to cross the border now and

that's when the peak will be like this and after it will be, but tell me... after netanyahu officially renounced the military cabinet, which united representatives of the ruling coalition and opposition forces. how does this generally affect the war and the domestic political situation in israel? this does not affect the military situation in any way. tsal di acts completely independently. on the quality of the decisions made today by the cabinet, today the prime minister. nothing has changed, absolutely nothing has changed, if possible even during the existence of netanyahu's cabinet, there was an opportunity for not only me, this cabinet, today it is only netanyahu,

but we continue to live in the same, in the same pattern, in the same parody, when lack of food waiting for some positive externality on south, there is the destruction of sinvar or some possibility of returning more hostages, and every time he will use such externality to tell us, yanam, look at all that ah, all the suffering that you still feel, they. .. it is worth it that this time there is a contribution of some small positive result, and so we will continue, rather for everything, you know, the war, no, we, we will not hear the announcement of the end of the war for a month, only after, most likely, it for will end

on both fronts together, after it will be development, and tell me, here are these... visions of the prime minister to the united states, the prime minister of israel, that all this is happening because it is not enough that the united states provides weapons to israel, how serious is this from a military point of view , do american supplies of arms to israel really have, let's say, the same significance as american supplies of arms to ukraine? they are not as important as the supplies of american weapons to ukraine, and because it is not quite, it is not the complete truth, that completely all... supplies, even on the contrary, all supplies are working, was there is one delivery, bombs, what, more. you could see, i think, two weeks ago , two more marines, ships for the marines arrived, so that, they are big, we

did not have them yet, so that it was possible to somehow do, to maneuver the marines, probably in lebanon, and maybe in other places, that is, statement by statement, as i said, rhetoric on one side, others, and you and i, i think we need to look and analyze actions from both sides here, and not listen to their statements. juv holland, minister of defense of israel will be visiting the united states soon. i understand that now washington and jerusalem are taking this visit quite seriously, commenting that it can provide an understanding of the continuation and end of the war. the end of the war, i don't think he will lead to anything, yoav mallan fulfills this time the mission of the third mediator

between netanyahu, netanyahu and biden, yoavlalan came to washington to say netanyahu, and there is the state of israel, and i, as her minister of defense, as an elected politician, as representative of the israeli... people themselves , i carry with me such a force that we adhere to, adhere to the convention, we adhere to the understanding of the united states that the war must be fought effectively, but still yes, listen and take care of the population uh public, and whatever americans want to hear. the minister of defense is going with this goal, well, it is clear that if we look at it from a political and aesthetic point of view, he does not earn electoral money, for him it is a source of

political power, another one, for that, that is, gallan in in that regard, it does not lose at all, in any case. netanyahu knows how to deal with such and such politicians when someone allegedly takes one of his positions. he doesn't seem to pay any attention to it and thus lets these waves pass and then he continues to act as if nothing happened. and tell me in principle, if we talk about the situation related to the general views of israeli society on the final, there is a unity of understanding that this is still a long war, that it can continue, if not for years. then months, how much now, after 261 days , we can talk about a common understanding of the security situation, regardless of the fact that

israel is built from parts of society that do not always find understanding with each other, the majority still has to have to yes, has to... understanding and readiness for this, so that, in order to continue the struggle, not to continue the war, to continue the struggle, there is a need for the victory to be clear, so precise, and it was precisely broken, such a picture, such a victory, there is, there is a desire of society , in order not to repeat it, so that it... was not, as they say in our country, another round, so that we finished it, and we had some other, different story with, well, at least the sector, it is clear that

they want it i became a common man, but everyone will understand that we cannot destroy the list at this stage, that is, in the north, there are such allegedly dissonant people, we want one thing, but we understand that the other, the other... it will not be like that, in the south there is hope that everything after all, the result of our actions today will be a new, new, new presence of a leader, namely the presence of the american special envoy amas hochstein in israel and in lebanon, it helped defuse the situation at least a little, it doesn't look like that, it supposedly gives some hope, but it happens so many times that... in society and in other circles, if you want, even in economic and financial, and where.

foreign investors do not see anything in it at the moment, foreign investors are not coming back, domestic investors are also investing more abroad than in local markets, and in that regard, yes, the development of events is not very positive for the israeli economy in general. you can to say that after this iranian attack the situation in this direction has stabilized at least a little and that such actions cannot be expected in the near future, that iran, at least in the form in which it was, is out of the game. yes, at least from their side, whatever it was, iranians, iranians, persians, they are still people, ah, practically and... they

understand that this is the level to which development, to which they have reached, and the level of israeli development, higher than, ah, than he would like, and therefore there is no point, and i am absolutely convinced that they act with and from such a protic point of view, what they do effectively, what they don't do effectively, they checked, understood that a direct attack is not effective. will not continue to act through proxies, maybe better today they will increase these terrorist investments and develop the houthis or continue to develop the fesbawa or increase the number of syrian militias, it works well, so they will choose to go back to the way they ...

to attack, you were not surprised by this information that russia is preparing to accept the palestinians refugees on their territory? you know, i understand that this is complete nonsense, and i'm just russian new propaganda, they always use every opportunity to destabilize the situation in the middle east in nasturia months ago. i, well , after israel declared that it supported ukraine, they immediately asked: yes, let's return to the issue of the otogokstrian courtyard, eh, again they started talking about the fact that they supported ukrainian autonomy, and again we are invaders, give them some more time and they will go back to talking about propaganda, they will go back to talking about the fact that the invading zionist troops are carrying out punitive raids on the territory of the gas sector,

as was the case under the soviet... , i don't even think that this can be any serious statement, also the same statement, as i don't know, that ukraine started a war in donbas, and not alone in support of the palestinian, a lot. it is the very fact that russia absolutely specifically moved to the position of the absence of any balance, so between israel and the palestinian authority, and by the way, between israel and hamas, you can say, you can't even talk about autonomy, they are actually ready to meet with the hamasites, can you say that this is a change, a change of position? you know, i think it's true, they're coming back, all these, you know for sure, all this way that goes.

russia to the return to the soviet ideology, the return to the soviet avant-garde, imperialist ideology, and in that regard, we are returning to what, in the 59th year, when the americans support, the 56th year, when the americans support israel in the soviet crisis, and the soviets, diplomats and the military supported the arabs then, today they support terrorist terrorist organizations and... look, they support only terrorist organizations, they support iran, they support, they support hamas, maybe we will wait , when we start supporting her, maybe we have already supported her as a simpleton, thank you, thank you ms. arieh, arieh zayden, israeli political scientist, lieutenant colonel of the israel defense forces reserve, was on our air, we are returning from the middle east to europe, now to france