public and everything that the americans want to hear, that is the purpose of the minister of defense going, well, it is clear that if we look at it from a cynical and political point of view, he is not a profiteer, for him this is a source of political strength, another, for that is, in that regard, galan does not lose at all, in any case, netanyahu can. with such, with such politicians, when someone allegedly takes one of his positions, he his, in general , he simply allegedly does not pay attention and attention to it and thus lets these waves pass about it and then he continues to act, and tell me, in principle, if we talk about the situation related to the general views of israeli society on the final. is there a unity

of understanding that this is still a long war, that it may continue, if not for years, then for months, as far as now, but after 261 days , can we talk about a common understanding of the security situation? er, regardless of the fact that israel is not built from parts of society that do not always find understanding with each other, the majority still has... it does , it has the understanding and readiness for it, in order to continue the struggle , no to continue the war, to continue the struggle, there is a need for the victory to be clear, accurate, and it, it is precisely framed, such a picture, yes... there may be

a society's desire not to repeat it, so that it does not happen like in our country they say one more round, so that we don't finish it and we have some other a-ah, another story with, well, at least the title sector, they understood that they want this one to become a match, but everyone understands that we are not on the list at this stage can destroy, that is, in the north there are such allegedly... dissonant, we want one thing, but we understand that the other, the other there will be no result, there is hope in the south that , after all, the result of our actions today will be a new, new peace, a new presence of a leader, but the stay of the american special envoy amas hochstein in israel and in lebanon helped to defuse the situation at least a little, it it doesn't look like that, it seems... there is

maybe some hope, but it's going to happen many times, in society and in other circles, if you want, even in the economic and financial circles, ah, foreign investors don't see at the moment nothing in that, foreign investors do not return, neither do domestic investors. they invest more abroad than in local markets, and in that regard, the development of events is not very positive for the israeli economy in general. it can be said that after this iranian attack , the situation in this direction has stabilized at least a little and that such actions cannot be expected in the ... in the near future, that iran,

at least in the form in which it was, is out of the game, yes, at least from their side, that it was not at all, iranian, iranians, persians, they yet the people, ah, practically, and they understand that the, the level of development, to which they have reached, and the level of israeli development is higher than, ah,... than they would like , and therefore there is no sense, and i am definitely convinced that they act with a from such a protic point of view, what they effectively do, what they do not effectively do, they are tested, they understood that a direct attack is not it is effective, they continue, to act through proxies, perhaps better today they will increase these terrorist investments and develop the houthis. or

continue to develop the defenses, or increase the number of syrian militias, it works well, so... they will choose, they will go back to the way we worked before the attack, you are not surprised by this information that russia is preparing to accept palestinian refugees in its territory? you know, i understand that this is complete nonsense, and just russian new propaganda, they, they always use every opportunity to destabilize the situation. in the middle east we are talking here months ago after israel declared that he supported ukraine, they immediately asked, yes, let's go back to the issue of that alexandria courtyard, again they started talking about the fact that they

support autonomy, and again we are invaders, give them a little more time and they they will return to talk about propaganda , they will return to talk about what is zagarnytskyi. troops carry out punitive raids on the territory of the gas sector, as was customary under the soviet, soviet system, so i do not at all, you know, do not even think that this can be some serious statement, also the same the statement, i don't know, that ukraine started a war in donbas. that russia absolutely specifically moved to the position of the absence of any balance between israel and palestinian autonomy, and by the way , between israel and hamas, one can say that one cannot even

talk about autonomy, they are actually ready to meet with the hamasites, it can be said that such a change is a change of position ? i think that believe me, they are coming back, all this, you know it for sure, this whole path that russia is taking to return to the soviet ideology, return to the soviet avant-garde ideology, and in that sense we are returning to the 1959 year, when the americans supported the 1956 year, when the americans supported israel in the swedish crisis, and the soviets, diplomats and troops supported it. then arabia, today they support terrorist terrorist organizations, and look they only support terrorist organizations, they support iran, they support deprivation, they support hamas, maybe we will wait, support t, maybe

already supported as a simpleton, thank you, thank you ms. aryeh, ariya zayden, an israeli political scientist, a reserve lieutenant colonel of the israel defense forces, was on our air. from the middle east we are returning to europe, now to france, maria oleksa, journalist, editor on french television, we are on the air, congratulations, mrs. maria, congratulations, well, today we received a message that the rating of the french president emmanuel macron, after he announced early elections to the national assembly of france, collapsed sharply, can it be assumed that most people do not understand the logic of the french president's actions at all? absolutely, france has been living in a state of alarming chaos for three weeks now. it's the second week, sorry, yes, this is the shortest election campaign in the history of the fifth republic, all parties took this decision of emmanuel macron as a certain shock, surprise, surprise, even the far-right, for whom it is quite profitable, because they counted on the fact that in they will still have

three years to prepare for the elections scheduled for 2027, and so in fact they only have three weeks, and although they are in such a position , they are still... ratings, even they find it very difficult to get their team together in each department of france, in each of the 577 districts to present their candidate, the same reaction from the left, from the left side, and the same reaction from the associates of macron himself, because he did not warn them , this decision was taken at a closed dinner, together with macron's advisers, who are not politicians, in fact, this is just a close circle, these are people who are engaged in communication, political technologies, there were six of them and six months ago, at least this is the study conducted by the magazine lumond, and determined that yes, it happened

about six months ago, and macron decided in a very narrow circle that if there was a failure in the european elections, he would dissolve the parliament, and if he expected to be ... in 1968, when after the may elections protests, at that time de gaulle managed to mobilize the french around him, then most likely he will become a shirak in 1997, when ... years in cohabitation, that is cohabitation together with the socialists, and macron is actually threatened by the same thing now, precisely with the socialists or with the national association of marine le pen. look, the latest, latest opinion polls give 35% to the far right, ie lupin, 28% of the alliance of the alliance of left forces. which despite macron's hopes, or rather, well, how to say, he didn't expect it at all, he

wanted them not to unite, but they did unite, all the left forces of france, they are given 28%, and macron's parties give 22 %. that is, there is a scenario or cohabitation with the leftists macron, well, to put it mildly, they hate, uh, or cohabitation with right-wing forces, which ideologically, like, well... were supposed to be incompatible with macron, but maybe it comes to that, and there is already a theory that this is a crash test for the far-right, that macron wants to let them into power right now, so that by 2027 their ratings will be blown, so that they will not be able to cope with their tasks, well , that is, this is some kind of game with the fate of the country, in fact, just so that in in 2027, the far-right did not come to power, i will tell you frankly, the left... in the moral state they are in now, they will not want to rule

the country with macron, because the entire campaign and all the previous years of the existence of the left forces were aimed at criticizing macron's policies. how they will go to him in the government, well, i do not see it realistically. much more likely, however, is cohabitation with the far-right, although the far-right are not very happy either. jordan bardela is potentially the next prime minister, he is the leader of the party. marine le pen is so-called honorary president, but she is not the president of the party, officially, it is already preparing for 2027, and bardela said that if he does not have an absolute majority in the far-right parliaments, he will not go to the position of prime minister, because he also understands that living with macron is a very risky game. and the country could be locked in legislative decisions for months, if not until 2027, and that's no good for anyone. and least of all, it benefits the french, who can essentially get a completely ungovernable national

assembly. but on the other hand, the left wants to prevent the far-right from coming to power, it is theirs the main task, in fact, they united in this people's front under this slogan. and then suddenly they refuse the coalition with macron, which may be the only chance that the far right does not form a government. how it will look, yes, it is absolutely true, it will look very strange on their part, and i think there will be... well, there will be treatments, there will be talks, there will be negotiations, i don't know what concessions macron will have to make , so that they would agree to be in his government, because macron's policy has shifted so much to the right in recent years, and it is so different from what is offered to the left that their coexistence is, well , technically impossible, roughly speaking, the left says, the first thing we will do when we come to power is to cancel the pension reform, macron says, only because of me. trub pension reform - that's all i fought for, i spent many years to prepare it,

the reform remains, and now there are talks about another reform, which is about subsidies, people who are on unemployment benefits, the left says the same , we cancel this reform, it is bad, macron defends it with his back to his mouth, that is, here again is the situation of a completely blocked legislative body, which cannot agree with anything... yes, i apologize, yes, yes, the ultra-right also wants to cancel the pension reform, in the ultra-right, by the way, too a very interesting story, they are for, they are against the pension reform, but they are ready to postpone this decision to the market, well, that is, they also leave such, let’s say, room for maneuver in case of a coalition with macron, the only thing they stated very firmly, but here macro, for for macron, this issue is perhaps less fundamental, it is... electricity prices are very high right now, but they took the economy seriously and

went through some points that will be difficult to realistically implement, but i compared the two programs like this, and these are exactly the points that are missing in macron's program, that is , there should not be any very sharp clashes on these issues, here is also a very interesting question, although, for example, on the issue of europe, the far-right is absolutely determined that in the future france... should pay much less to the european budget, in general, france has to withdraw from a number of agreements, including electricity, everything related to energy, and here if macron is also in them... there are really a lot of disagreements, that is why i say that none of of scenarios at the moment, given the latest polls, is not optimal for the country to advance in any direction and move anywhere. and he generally had a chance not to hold these elections realistically. absolutely, no one obliged him to make this decision. european elections are not

a reflection of domestic national elections policy and legal obligation. he did not have the opportunity to hold this vote, european elections in general are traditionally considered in french society to be a little detached reality from national politics, and that is why the turnout is very low, somewhere it seems that 51% of french people only went to the european elections, while the turnout for parliamentary national elections, it is still many times larger, it can reach 70% there, there were even 75 such parliamentary elections, so i still believe... that these are two such parallel stories and no one forced him to do this, which is why this decision surprised everyone so much. on the other hand, everyone understands that macron has nothing to lose. if you wait until 2027, he cannot run for president in any case. but if we talk about his party, yes, that is his political legacy. by 2027

, there may be nothing left of this party. just like at one time, after hollande's presidency, there was almost nothing left... the socialists were left and they were picking themselves up bit by bit for years, until 2024, when now the socialists, led by glucksman, at least for something similar, and macron does not want the fate of hollande, he does not want his party to disappear as if it had never existed, as happened in 2017 with the socialists, by the way, let me remind you that macron himself was in the socialist party and was well, if a protégé, oland. brought him to power first as a minister, and then supported his political career. thank you, mrs. maria, maria oleksa, journalist, editor at state television in france. thank you for being on our air. we will now take a break with the opportunity to go out for such a few minutes a break, but please stay with us, after this break a dialogue with the writer

oksana zabushka, she will be in our studio in just a few minutes. a journalist who joined the armed forces, a political expert who became a special agent, taras berezovyts in a new project on espresso. the real front is a thorough analysis of the main events. reports, comments of leading specialists and experts, analytics from the major of the armed forces. how to understand alarming news and distinguish the truth from the hostile and false. the real front program with taras berezovets every saturday at 21:30 at espresso. we continue the politclub program on the espresso tv channel. vitaly the tailor is with you as a guest. in the studio is oksana zabushka, writer, poet, essayist, teacher and activist. i have it written like that. everything, because i will cross it out. after the broadcast, at least. so, thank you, ms. oksano,

for coming to this studio. by the way, i would like to talk about this. the general trend of recent times, which i honestly did not expect to meet so quickly, this is again, i would say, where again a large number of people, at least in the information space, who started, as if this great war had not happened, as if everything that we heard from putin, from russian propagandists, journalists, and cultural figures who adhere to pro-imperial positions there, had not happened, began to speak again about this... to respect and now we live in this world again, i would say that there is no existing competition, wait , you live because you monitor it specifically, but there are people who see it, read it

, get disoriented, obviously there is a certain reality behind it, that is, there is some a part of people for whom, let's say, well, how to say, let's sum it up like this, i 've said this many times in various interviews, i always say that the russian-speaking of ukrainians is a consequence of transgenerational trauma, and this transgenerational trauma must, let's say, not to respect, but to treat her with the patience and understanding of a psychotherapist, well , at least this is the duty of people who speak publicly, yes. so, therefore, it is obvious, so to speak, that there is a certain contingent of those who, as it were, defend russian, as one's native language, precisely in... precisely as a result of this transgenerational trauma, er, here, but what you describe, what i said again, means it goes, it is about returning to this very

ideology of the 14th year, to as if it means the second ukraine and so on, this is rather a signal to me that things in russia at the front are very bad, as only in russia... things at the front are very bad, which is confirmed by putin's visit to north korea and many other news , that means i somehow calmed down a few days ago with this news from finland intelligence that 80% of the troops and equipment from the russian-finnish border was taken and driven to ukraine, and this already means that they are screeching every day there, so that's crap. cases, it is so clear that bad cases, as soon as bad cases, then accordingly it begins, blowing smoke, bluffing, that is, it begins where they know how and where they are

good, where they have the resources in their hands to work with it, that is, for example, last month i was traveling by train from lutsk to kyiv and for the first time i heard these... callers, you know, the technology is still old gebeshna from soviet times, only in soviet times they were talking loudly in the queues in support of the party and the government, but here the text of the book clearly spoke about the need for reconciliation, appeasement, and to hand over, that is, this very donbas and in general to give everything to them, so so that there would be no war. and stubbornly repeated that this was her personal opinion, well, that is, it was heard that she was chasing the methodical, and eh, well, this is also a symptom for me, you know,

well, so what, the work went in this direction, and these waves of , swinging them time and time again, here are these themselves, which means that there are some information leaks, these are the trends, these are all the scenarios that, in principle, have not changed all these 10 years. so what, 10-20, yes, in fact, by and large , the war was informational after 2004 , yes, it started in full measure, so , so, i would, i would not be particularly concerned about it , as it means a new, new, dangerous reality, and well there is such a trend, it means well , that is, i mean people who speak russian on the streets because... there are people for whom russian is a language household i mean exclusively people who, under the impression, are afraid of losing their position, because their whole position in the culture, there, someone

proclaims himself a philosopher, someone else, it is based on the fact that they are trying to take place in this strange well, i would say to the world, because russia is already foreign to them, they already believe that they cannot be part of the russian microcosm. the ukrainian language and culture still evokes them and they can't, i'm sorry, there already, there they already have their own people who are not of such quality and not of such quality, well, in ukrainian culture, i would say they can't happen either, than in ukrainian civilization, because they just look down on it, it doesn't mean that people don't know the ukrainian language, they can know, they only have this little island , a life that means russian-speaking ukraine, it is needed. you are for them, you understand, not for the people on the street, for them, for all these respectable people, politicians, philosophers, i don't know, writers, here you go, you again, again we

return to our unfinished dialogue, what was the name of that restaurant jar, yes, yes, where we discussed this epic battle of yours with latin, by the way, i apologize, i never watched it, i think you already know everything that could be known there . i know, i know, because a lot of people told me about it, it was abram, abram called peel, yes, and you told it, so you also made some accents, as an insider, which the public did not notice and did not remarked, so that after your accents, by the way, i forgave you, so to speak, that you they went there, because you remember, the conversation started with, i apologize to the reader in general, talking to... russians asking about ukrainian culture, which they said, i would be embarrassed, but i understand that, well , obviously, somewhere the subject of your

interest, and... well, maybe personal, well , your interest, journalist vitaly portnikov, after all, there is somewhere this target audience of postsru with a rather wide reach, and here somehow volens nollens, you used a good word island. and the sea went away, puddles remained, well, that's what i'm talking about, you know again, the audience, when the post-soviet audience is so wide, it is not the audience of russian-speaking ukrainians, you see, i do not operate on this at all, because i believe that ukrainians can understand me in ukrainian, any who speak russian, who speak ukrainian, no, here it is even faster, here it is faster, even more interesting to talk about, this is your parish, here we are... i say, why

are we returning to the same conversation, that this is what you should be doing, the de-russification of soviet jewry in the spaces from vilno to israel, and it seems to me that it already is further rotsified in at least the former soviet union, well, but no, well, that means, as i understand this whole conversation called by feigin, when he said that we are all jews here, and latynina protested that... she was not, well this is something that just falls somewhere under this very paradigm of an island, and here i am involuntarily reminded, excuse me, of the collapse of the previous russian empire, i am reminded of jabotinsky’s publicist, remember, well, it’s just a doll, what he writes about warningly, addressing jewish audience proper, to jewishness

of the russian empire and... warning against assimilationism and warning, there are these very comical episodes, such as the commissarzhevskaya jubilee in odesa, in the 18th year, where there was not a single russian, and where only the jews stood up, stood up for this very russian culture, as he says, is the russian of moses' law and says that it is terribly comical, so this is a situation when, when they insist on, and on the other hand, what was it in their heart to learn now? that instead of komisarzhevska, they could switch to zankovetska and saksagansky, no, they could you should also switch to hebrew, so that basinsky called for this, he was a zionist, absolutely rightly so, this is his, this was his, this was his argumentation, why jews have, must stick to their own and not change, i apologize, so every time identity with the change of the empire or the change of the new master in the house, as he, as he

said, yes? here and there, these islands, so, as you say, this russian language, i.e., people whose only identity, who have no other, did not have, so, let’s formulate, er, did not have another identity, and they cannot switch to the jewish one, and the desh is lost, even when they are jews, except for... the soviet, soviet, russian-speaking identity of the soviet intelligentsia, which apparently has no ethnic roots, what are russian ethnic roots, yes, well, it is possible, it is possible to create russian culture and perfectly create russian culture without any russian ethnic ethnic roots, because the russian ethnos is

actually quite a phantom entity, so why? but there are ukrainians, wherever you go, everything is fine with a ukrainian, as well as with jews too, you see, everything is very interesting, what we, what we talked about with you, and it would be good, how much time do we have on this topic in general, yes, because it is actually a very interesting topic, when i told you then , return my ukrainian jews to me, yes, the process has just begun, return the axis oh, it has begun, i would say sooner after or even after the 14th year actively, and especially i would say. after the 22nd, because after the 14th it obviously started there in the center to the west, but it always coincides, by the way, i've been talking about this since the 90s years, with ukrainian nation-building processes, if ukrainian nation-building processes take place, if ukrainians do not cling to sovietness, representatives of any other national minorities cease to cling to it. in order for this to happen, it is necessary for the majority to become different, so it is necessary to start not with the jews, but with the ukrainians, let's return to the ukrainians again.