then there were negotiation groups that were cut down by the so-called peasants, worried, some submarines poisoned with their entire crews appear, some people are kidnapped, someone is shooting at someone, that is , unfortunately it is possible, it is not yet an israeli model where people actually sit and everyone has a bomb shelter in their house, but on the streets of silo you can often see civilian patrols with machine guns, well, in israel there was an agreement on the cessation of fire on the island of rodas, i 'm calling, well , it was also formally formalized in germany, but. .. well, remember was formalized, and then the soviet union began to dig there, dig in, cut off the communication routes around berlin itself, that is, it is all a process that did not stop for one day, i don't, i don't want to pretend, you know the question, but we definitely need an agreement, no , it's just us, we need to stop the war, we don't necessarily need it to be recorded, if someone needs it to be recorded, well, yes, well, it's important, but the main thing is to stop the war, but to stop the war without returning the territories, it means to betray the sociological one. expectation

citizens, if you talk about this as a diplomat, as a politician, they will tell you, look at sociology, we have to fight until we reach the state border, yes, and even as a diplomat i am not calling to stop now and lose territory, but this is a discussion about the fact that we should actually record that these are our territories, and like the baltics, which have never recognized the annexation by the soviet union, we should wait until the political situation changes, we will not liberate the territories, this is a good idea, you can do the same.. . you can overestimate like this bets, to say that we do not stop, this is an endless war, there were wars in europe for 100 years or more, yes, they were not called wars, because it was such a traditional time to pass the time, just to fight a little, next year to fight , the dryads even had a calendar where certain periods of war were predicted, well , unfortunately, we will have to exist for a certain time in a situation of such a continuous war, i know the concept that you are promoting, and you believe that it will be ... cyclical there will be

periods when there will be less intensity, more, maybe even some peaceful periods, by decreasing and increasing some periods we will manage to work out something like that, you know, a long peace, a short war, this is the middle eastern cyclical life, very similar to some kind of evolution by darwin or someone else, such an evolutionary spin-off at each stage , why does the middle east live like that, it’s not korea or germany, it’s just the middle east, i didn’t make it up, this model just seems closer to you, the korean model seems closer to me, when the country continues... koreans tried, you remember, they had the sunshine policy, that is, as it is very poetic, sunshine or warmth, policy, then they opened, some tourist groups drove, some enterprises invested, they made a free economic zonal zone, they themselves got access to some game that is important for them, for everyone, conditionally the kyiv lavra is there by our standards, that is, they tried something, nothing happened, and now even the leader of north korea says: no, no, we are all two different peoples, this is a danger, that we can to live until the moment when the nations stand'.

so much so that some conditional leader there will say that we are different peoples, this is a problem, the germans are having a hard time so far, thank you, mr. vadim, vadim, a policeman, we had him in the studio, we thank him for participating in the broadcast, salaam alaikum . congratulations, i'm andriy yanitskyi and gulsum khalilova together on the bereber program, which is translated together, this is a joint project of the crimean tatar tv channel atr and the espresso tv channel, which we do for viewers from crimea, as well as for everyone who is interested in mainland ukraine, what takes place in crimea. if you watch us on youtube, please subscribe, like, bell and comment on this video, this is how the youtube algorithms work, that...

we will only be seen if you are active, and we, as usual, traditionally, and today we will talk about crimea, about the deoccupation of crimea and about everything that happened there during this week, well, that is, we will talk about the results, and of course i would like to start with the main news, which happened this week and we can say about that on june 23, the armed forces of ukraine from... carried out a very powerful attack on the russian occupiers and after that manipulation, distortion of facts, speculation about human deaths and other methods to remove responsibility, moscow started a very huge propaganda campaign, blaming ukraine and even the united states of america for the deaths of civilians on beaches of uchkiivka in occupied akhyar during a rocket attack in... on sunday,

please, andriy, we will ask oleksiy hetman, a veteran of the russian-ukrainian war, major of the national guard in retirement, mr. oleksiu. congratulations, congratulations, congratulations, mr. oleksiy, this is the story of the attack by ukrainian military forces on the base in sevastopol, which resulted in civilian casualties, the russians say that it is as if the americans, the ukrainians are specifically hitting civilian objects , by po'. borders, where peaceful people rest, at the same time, i have a conviction that this is not the case, what happened in reality? well, first of all, they saw the debris of another missile there, not that we shoot russian missiles, could the debris of the missile to get to the beach, well, theoretically it is quite

possible, but to say that we deliberately attacked the beach, well, you know, if there was a desire to attack the civilian population, we could choose an object with greater losses, if we had such terrorist target, because it actually happened there, it's hard to say, but it's hard to say from the point of view that there's a very small chance that it was our missile, because we're attacking only a military object, you have to look at the military objects that we attacked and what is the distance to this beach where they died civilian residents, well, civilian people, in order to understand what actually happened there, and once again, well, none... well, listen, listen , russians do not respect themselves, well, the question is literally there, you mentioned, yes, what are the military forces there objects are located, indeed, near this beach, literally 3-4 km away is the bilbek airport, military units are located, that is, it is obvious that the attack

was primarily on military objects, how does russian air defense work, and why does it shoot down over the beach in ukrainian. missiles and this is a question primarily for the russians, well in general, if there was no occupation, i understand that there would be no reason, i lived in crimea for 22 years, and there were never any excesses, well, except for some excesses related to the black sea fleet of the russian federation, when they are there during the exercises , they will hit somewhere and civilians will die or pollute the sevastopol bay, and in general , the ukrainian times in crimea, i remember as peaceful times, but... now it is clear that during the occupation by the russians , combat actions take place every day, this is a theater of combat actions that can be advised to the residents of crimea who are there are there, how to behave, is it worth going to these beaches, is it possible that someone will look even from russia and finally

understand that there is a war going on there, and that it is not worth going to the occupied territories, well, the fact that it is not worth it is unequivocally, and that , that... how, how to save yourself, well, stay away from military facilities, and not because we may not hit a military facility, but get wet. the fact is that we use weapons that are highly accurate. the russians used and use weapons that are not highly accurate, well, for example, this x22 missile, it can deviate up to half a kilometer, well, for a minute, therefore , from the target where it is flying. well, there was information about this attack on... on the airfield, that the russians were boasting that they somehow changed the trajectory of the missile, well, that means that they, well, their air defense was working, but uh, well, it can hardly be considered that this the wreckage is our missile, most likely it is the wreckage of an anti-aircraft

missile, the russians, which, well, on the other hand , it seems quite strange to me in general, because such a distance as two or three... kilometers to the beach, where did this tragedy happen, and well, a missile, an anti-aircraft missile, well, it would, it would only be on a combat course at such a distance, that is, there are many questions, what flew there, well, you heard, we were shown the elankas, but after this attack near on this beach, the russians themselves film everything, take pictures and identify that it was a russian tor missile, that is, the russians have already under... their buildings, they have already dropped bombs on their own cities, it is quite possible that this was a provocation by the russians, it looks a lot like them, they killed on purpose, it didn't the first time they are already doing it, they killed a number of their fellow citizens in order to blame it on ukraine, once again our missile

could not get there, because it is highly accurate , and she could hardly read it, although if you look at the map from the sea, they attacked with winged ones. missiles, they attacked with ballistic missiles, the ones that we can use, and the ballistic missile has a circular trajectory, it could, it could fly from the uh... opposite side, well , that's why here, if it's just that the reports got caught, conduct research, not even researching wreckage, just by looking at the open photos and videos taken by the russians, you can find out that this is definitely not, not our truth, well , the situation is really very strange, because for the first time the russian ministry of attack reported that the ukrainian... the armed forces there attacked akhyar and so on and almost the russian occupiers there very successfully shot down everything and so

on and while they were reporting this , ambulances were already on their way to ukchkoivka, and on the other hand, two hours later, we saw how the russian ministry defense has already reported otherwise, and said that ukraine had committed terrorist acts there and so on, and that is, we see that russia simply, well... did not understand what to say, how to say, how to explain it, and so on, and two hours later the propagandists there again in ukraine and even the united states of america were blamed for this, but at the same time there was no anxiety, no anxiety, nothing in crimea, and even the crimean propagandist publics, they, even there razvazheva, and gauleiter akhyar, just wanted, well, to him they had very... many complaints and even said that he was removed from the post of gauleiter ahyaro, so

i wonder why there was no alarm, why no one said anything and so on? well, first of all, they try not to announce an alarm, because they think that in this way they are treating the local population, because there should be alarms constantly, well, but really the accusations of russia, well, they have not come up with anything more reasonable than trying to tell that we we want to... attack the beach, well, you know, unconscious people, well, with the exception of maybe some russian pasipaks, they know very well the situation, our partners, the civilized world in general, how difficult our situation with weapons is, how much we are saving the means that we can attack, the same missiles, they are supplied to us with interruptions in small quantities, so we can afford to shoot at to the beach of a missile, which costs more than one... a million dollars in order to kill four civilians, well, it is, well, it is, you know, pulled by the ear,

but the russians come in, they, as they say, at least spit in their eyes, they say that they will say, well, don't spit there, they will say that it is oh my god, so sir, sir, oleksiy, what about this question, well, in fact, crimea has been occupied for 10 years, and you've been full for two years. invasion, well, for more than a year , ukrainian missiles and drones have been flying over military facilities in crimea, and there is still no system of shelters for the civilian population there, that is, the occupying power does not deliberately spend money, the government does not equip public places with these shelters, but only after the events this you... when it became evidently clear that the civilian population is in danger from

the actions of the occupation authorities in the first turn, they also announced that they would build some kind of mobile shelters in public places, but isn't this just some kind of reassurance, if they couldn't build such shelters for a full-scale invasion in two years, then why suddenly hope... the locals that they will appear now, you know, to build some kind of mobiles, well, i think that this is complacent, i think that there could have been, and funds were allocated for some kind of shelters, but they were afraid of thunderstorms in russia and so they did not build anything, you know if they start i will, they are trying to explain to the population inside the crimea that the crimea has come to its home port, that there is at least a stone from the sky, that there is none. there is no reason to worry that everything will be fine, but to constantly start conducting

air raids, to constantly start painting where the bomb shelter is, so that people know where to hide from shelling, this will definitely not raise the morale of the population, and for the russians it is very important that people continue to believe that... russians, well, that the crimea can be protected, that they are in danger, that everything is just an isolated incident, that something flies there, well, they are so simple, that’s right... their propaganda, to start telling that there are bombaskovichs, that there are air alarms, they have to be turned on every other day, well, people there are worried anyway, let’s say so, especially those who came from the russian federation, and in such situations, with such alarms and constantly painted moles, boskovich, i think that

many people will start leaving the crimea, the russians already need the russians to be there, so that there crimea was russian. well, that's why they, it's easier for them to have tens or hundreds of people die there, than for this propaganda that everything is fine there, and everything is under their control, not to work, and plus there is anxiety not all over crimea, and they announce the alarm only in akyaar, as they call it sevastopol, and in other areas, corners of the crimea, well, there is never any alarm at all, there was not, there is not, even if you look at the fact that the armed forces of ukraine, well, carry out strikes on all ... the points of crimea where russian military facilities are located, well, this is ours a legitimate goal, right, well, because it is a preparation for us, maybe this year, maybe next, to begin the process of not preparing for deoccupation, but directly for the occupation of crimea, so all, well, all of crimea is under our control, let’s say yes, by missile control, and our targets are a military object,

our targets are lithuania, our targets are means of communication, our targets are radars. stations, ports, of course, that is why this preparation for the liberation of crimea has been going on for a year or less, and i am sure that these strikes that we are making, they will only intensify, we have to destroy almost the entire military infrastructure of the russian armed forces in crimea, well, then, we understand, well , then the attack of the floor, it can be landing, it can be, well, from different directions from... the side krynyk, it could be to shadovsk, armyansk, it could be to another, well, here i think that in our general staff, well, i don’t think, i’m sure, there are already plans, but only right now, well, they can’t be applied yet, because it is necessary to focus on the attacks that the russians make on the russians in the east and in the north on the front, ugh, and regarding the crimea and the southern direction in general, well, there are forecasts that

we will be able to intercept the month in these directions in september, maybe by october. it's a tactical initiative, well, let's see, there will be more, one more message from crimea this week, the space communication center in crimea was destroyed, what is the significance of this cotton, why are these goals of space communication so important that we choose them among others, as you rightly say, the missiles we fire are not cheap, and we cannot exchange them for any small targets. well what is this, most likely it is a ground base that has direct contact with gonas, that is , it is navigation, it is navigation of russian missiles, with these means, missiles are guided, with these means the airspace is explored ,

russian planes are controlled, including guided, it is not the connection we have may seem to some to be something like a mobile connection. it's just that there will be no mobile phones, no, it's a system, it's a system, how our missiles work, using gps navigation, in russia the glonass system, they, it's also a satellite system, they use it, and this, it is used to guide missiles, let's say, to guide aircraft missiles. thank you very much, mr. oleksii, choksagloss, for taking the time to join our broadcast, oleksii getsman, was in direct contact with us. veteran of the russian-ukrainian war, retired major of the national guard. and let me remind you that you are watching the program bereber together in ukrainian, which is hosted by us, andriy yanitskyi and gulsum khalilova, and it is a joint project of espresso and the atr tv channel. now we have a short break, after which we will talk about other topics. events,

events that are happening right now and affect our lives. of course, the news feed reports. about them, however, it is not enough to know what is happening, it is necessary to understand. antin borkovskii and invited experts soberly assess the events, analyze them, modeling our future. every saturday at 1:10 p.m., with a repeat on sunday at 10:10 a.m. studio zahid with anton borkovsky at espresso. we continue our joint broadcast of the first crimean tatar tv channel atr and the beraber tv channel . i gulsom khalilova and my colleague andriy work together in the studio for you. and we want to to introduce our guest, this is yevhen khlobistov, professor, dean of the faculty of natural sciences, kyiv-mohyla academy, as well as the head

of the track, the head of the track, the economic and environmental expert network of the crimean platform, mr. yevhen, congratulations, good day, we discussed with you as a military expert all that happened on june 23 in crimea, and the attack by the armed forces of ukraine on... russian military facilities and the shooting down of these missiles by russian air defense over the beach, over people, and we all saw all these videos and so on, after even the occupying administrations began to say that many people canceled their trips to crimea and even their tourist trips, these tourist operators began to say that people simply do not go to the sanatorium there, the camp, and so on. how does all this affect the tourist season in crimea? just this year, if you look at the latest attacks by the armed forces. it's just a different reality. russians are in a different reality, there is no war for them. that's why they go to crimea, supposedly

it's absolutely safe there. i want to point out that it is not there was an air alert, by the way, that is, people were on the beach without even knowing that there was a potential danger there. on the other hand, crimea, uh, today is such a source of tourism only for russians, and it is such an artificial tourism, because... russia very much dates these tourist services, there are free tours, there are discount tours, various such, that is, this such an artificial reproduction of this function. i hope that after the return of crimea to the state borders of ukraine, when we will develop the economy there and in particular recreation, then we will face first of all a safety problem, that is, how safe it will be to rest there. the second problem is the quality of services, well, at that time. most likely , ukraine will be exhausted by the war, and we will not be able to invest in quality tourist facilities and services. therefore, i am quite skeptical about this, in my opinion,

crimea will remain a tourist region for many years to come, mainly for crimeans, and such a future tourist hub, then it will probably still remain that way region from turkey and adjara, but apparently not yet with ukraine. not for the first time. that is, if we are talking about tourism, now, of course, we do not advise anyone to rest in crimea, because it is a theater of hostilities, after the liberation, we will also probably have to wait until it is safe there, that's right, and plus i am i understand that the residents of ephesus, and the families of ephesus residents, or some representatives of the russian administration there , etc., who are under sanctions and simply cannot leave anywhere else, are going to rest and go, yes recently. the occupier stated that even there in akhyar, the daughter of the mayor of magadan was injured there, or something like that, yes, the deputy mayor of magadan, well, that is, the fsb officers are resting there and

there are all these people who simply cannot go to other countries, as to me, not only fsb officers rest there, there are also a huge number of russians who are in their own reality, they are in their own information bubble, there is no war in this bubble, and that is why crimea is such a soviet nostalgia, a resort, a vacation. crimea is ours, here they are at last they can go there, although no one forbade them to go there even until the 14th year, that is , even in 10 years, they did not find out what was really happening, so much was this information curtain created in russia that people who, as far as i understand, live on the north of russia, and are not very interested in what is happening in the european part, they imagine that everything is fine. there are no hostilities, missiles are not flying, and such an arrival is not expected, not only is everything good, people are buying crimean real estate from siberia, for example, from the northern regions of russia,

they sell there, they buy in crimea, they are sure that this housing is forever, that there will never be a change, and then they come and, well, you know, recently this topic has intensified, when the russian occupiers nationalize so and so. homes, even of ukrainian people's deputies, ukrainian singers, recently , after all, they had their homes nationalized, and others, for example, our singers sofi raru and so on, and what do the occupiers say, they nationalize it all, put it up for auction, sell it , and so on , they buy off the colonizer again and so on, and they are planning to send all this to the war against ukraine, so how to evaluate this pseudo nationalization of the russian occupiers? does it have any legal meaning and so on, what are we going to do about it and can we draw parallels, for example, with 1944, when all

the crimean tatars were deported, they came again. in 2014 , they simply burned ukrainian passports and shouted that crimea is with russia forever, this is a deep question, because, first of all, if we talk about the economic profit from such things, it is minimal, against the background of the cost of the war, say, that it somehow helps russia fight against ukraine more effectively, probably not, this is an informational excuse, russia. is trying to show russians, crimeans and other russians that here we have dealt with a potentially fifth colony of pro-ukrainian elements, and their real estate has gone to the needs of the svo, yes, well, but to really say that this has some kind of effect on the situation in crimea now, or affects our attitude, does it have any legal consequences, unfortunately, no, russia does not recognize a huge number of international

judges, that is... and even i gave such examples, russia is part of the signatory of numerous law enforcement conventions, but if it does not comply with these conventions, it simply does not comply with them, without even explaining why it does so, well, it does not comply, because there is no coercion, the world is built largely on treaties , which do not provide for the enforcement of these agreements, and among the vast majority of civilized signatories of such agreements there is no... even the idea that it is possible not to fulfill something so brazenly, do not explain your position, well , i don’t want to, if you have already taken it upon yourself you had an obligation, and your parliament ratified this agreement there, that is, after hitler, no one imagined that a new hitler could appear, who could simply disobey all international norms and so on, absolutely absolutely, and this is still the wonder of our partners in the european union and nato countries, they

are always trying to present some kind of problem. russia, that it is necessary to submit to some international body, to try to find out some relationship with it through legal authorities, but this simply does not happen, well, here it is week, please, can i have one question, and then three, just we, when we talked about international conventions there courts and so on, you know, i will remind our viewers that recently the european court of human rights recognized the obvious, and they finally through 10 years after ukraine. submitted to the european court of human rights all the crimes of the russian occupiers that they committed there, yes, russia violated 11 of the 18 possible articles regarding human rights, and there is already a court decision, and russia will not comply with it, as i understand it, and then, is there then the meaning of making such decisions and so on, what does it mean for us then? for us, this means our movement in the system of international law, we...

as a state, part of the world community, which fulfills international obligations, supports this general movement towards legal issues regarding our problems and regarding the russian federation, but there is again no coercion mechanism to force russia to comply with any international agreements. well, by the way, world war ii is a really good example of when, well, what treaties hitler's germany did, or did not comply, but none. and as a result, this is a new page in the history of europe. with russia , the situation is more complicated, because today i do not see even in the ideas of a victory for us and our allies, conventionally speaking, a parade in moscow, and a change in the political system in russia. we do not set this as a goal. and this means, unfortunately, that russia will continue to be in a state of hostility towards ukraine. and that's why i'm at

my speech on recently. at the forum of the expert network, he emphasized that we should think about the formation of such a network frontier economy. unfortunately, modern russia leaves us no chance but to be ready for further unfriendly actions. in fact, i also wanted to mention the echr, but, in addition, the latest news that was just spread by the media yesterday or the day before yesterday, which was announced at the forum of the expert network of the crimean platform. but you didn't say about the situation around hersenes, you probably heard and some snakes interpreted that hersenes was destroyed in general, well, that's not exactly how it sounded, damage was done, and damage was done, by the large construction near hersenes, that we let's see