we as members have confirmed that ukraine has fulfilled its obligations in terms of the national minority, and these obligations are more than 10 years old, i would say, and it was very difficult for the hungarian side to scratch as many as 11 points and present them in ukraine as an ultimatum. of course, we consider it ugly that the hungarian side set a price for the beginning of negotiations of ukraine's movement towards the eu in the form of such a position in the eu's negotiating framework. but it was absolutely not positively received by other member states, and we er want, i want to personally draw attention to a nuance, certain which provides that we should agree on a list of joint steps and only after that talk about the implementation of certain points, this is the official position of the european commission, and we will move in line with it, and i hope that such an agreement will allow. to detoxify

our relations, and at the same time i want to note that bilateral consultations have been going on for more than 7 months, and currently we have a fairly serious finalization of how we will move on these single points, but ukraine will definitely neutralize any trying to cross not the red lines, but the lines of common sense, is absolutely unconscious. dialogue, although, of course, the hungarian side continues and will continue to speculate on this topic for decades, we are also fully aware of this, and tell me whether viktor orbán can really come to kyiv next week as the chairman of the european union, this is realistic information, which is also from appeared in the media on the eve of our conversation? and we have been waiting for viktor orban in kyiv for a long time, we invited him at the end of the 23rd year. i

i personally think that it is very important that he came to kyiv, we have been working on his visit for a long time, and i am sure that it will take place. and tell me, ms. olga, if we return to the topic itself, integration, then integration is a street with such two-way traffic, on the one hand, there is a requirement of the european commission for each of the countries joining the european union, on the other hand, there is a need to protect the nation, primarily economic interests, in the conditions in which ukraine is, in the conditions of financial dependence on the aid of the west, how easy will it be for us to protect these national interests? absolutely, i think that this is the unique case when the economic independence and competitiveness of ukraine, this is, of course, our national interest, but also the first national interest of those countries that are... borrowers

or the main mobilizers of financial aid, this is in a way truly unique situation in which this interest coincides, i want to pay special attention and constantly emphasize this in communications with our colleagues from the european commission that ukraine is in the ranking of the top 20 active participants of the internal market of the european union, and any myths or let's say. yes , fears, they are no longer relevant, because even in the conditions of a complete blockade of political parties and political speculations in poland, we persevered, we went through this difficult path fairly moderately and rationally and did not lose our own interests, precisely in the part that concerns the export of agricultural products, but also set certain requirements for partners who must comply with european regulations, we

we will implement eu rules dynamically enough, but our business is active enough, our market is already reorienting itself to the european market, because this market is more ambitious and larger-scale, and in it you act accordingly exclusively in your business interests, and therefore it is more important for us as soon as possible to adopt european rules, because in my opinion, because for me the adaptation of legislation is a certain such... national sport, my own, i see that this is the most effective tool of deoligarchization, because these are the only rules for all those operating both in ukraine and abroad, and this is still the most powerful weapon we had that we used. and tell me, since you mentioned poland, could there be any other bilateral negotiations that slow down the process of ukrainian european integration, and not only that. will put forward

conditions, but also other countries? i am sure that it will be so, and poland is, in principle, very, let's say, trying, ah... to transfer its difficult experience of joining the european union, and i believe that we have to go through a no less difficult path than they, and therefore with poland actually it will be difficult in the negotiations, because this is the largest market in eastern europe, the largest, most dynamically developing economy, and ukraine is becoming a very big competitor, so we really have to be aware that such tensions will still exist, they... will be possible with other countries as well , but for today i want to draw attention to the fact that it was germany that became the driver of the process of ukraine's accession to the eu, they, in principle , declare their leadership quite officially, and this is a great support for us, because germany is the main

budget of the eu and the main employer, let's say yes, the european union, so as long as this formula is maintained, we are definitely in a sufficiently... safe position, if we talk about the process itself, what should happen now and in the future, now that the negotiations have opened, what's next? we have 34 negotiators, and next week at the government we will approve the decision that will be created by the negotiating groups, which will be about a thousand people, people's deputies, civil society will be involved in this game, and from july 8... we will start the first bilateral negotiations in a number of spheres, this schedule already planned until the end of the year, and based on the results of these negotiations, ukraine will already have a complete list of its obligations, as well as a complete list of reservations, exclusions or

transitional periods that we will need in order to join the eu membership, and then the technical process of opening negotiations sections consolidating agreements and doing homework, and each section will be closed, so to speak, as some legislative changes are adopted, and yes, but in fact the most important stage begins now from july 8, because the negotiating a chapter in any area can be opened only when both sides understand the scope of work, this means that before... opening any negotiation chapter, we understand the future scope of ukraine's obligations, have provided plans for the implementation of key eu legislation, and on this basis, we open the negotiation section, agree on terms, agree on transition periods and perform

homework as promised even before the start of the specific negotiation process on directions, that is why it is so conceptual, gentleman. work, which actually is then fixed in negotiations in a specific direction. so i studied the dossiers of the countries that are candidates for membership of the european union until now, and i saw that there, among these sections that should be closed in specific areas of the economy, ecology, human rights, there is still such a point, at least i saw it in the serbian desier, it's different, well... it's the normalization of relations with kosovo, we may have some such clause, maybe it already exists? well, for example, a polish minister came to see me in poland, just in a week, he said, they told a very interesting case, that only this year seems to have surfaced

a ban specifically for german citizens, for germany to have the right to purchase land on polish territory, it was precisely from the section different, and the poles. just now got the right to sell tomatoes in france, of course, this will be a key, one of the key people in the european commission, and this portfolio should be dynamic, so of course we have to move quickly and start every possible stage as quickly as possible, i i understand that this will be the new european commissioner, correct, can i stay i also understand, i don't think that... the european commissioner for enlargement will continue this trend of extending the mandate of high-ranking eu officials, but it is very surprising to me that the candidacy for this position has not yet been agreed upon and there is not even an approximate, let's say yes,

there are enough people willing to understand who we could be, but actually i was sure that what would solve this issue much faster, today there is no clarity. but i think that the hungarian presence in this direction has already been exhausted. thank you, ms. olga, and i wish you the best successful negotiation process. olga stefanich. integration of ukraine, we were on the phone, now we will talk to the russian oppositionist, former dezhduma deputy ilya ponomarev, he is already on the phone, congratulations, mr. ilya, good evening, and now let's talk about the caucasus, because just this week there were these well-known events in dagestan, and the attackers were the children of one of the nomenklaturaniks, this is a strange situation, these terrorists were killed, they are the children of the head of one of the districts of dagestan. here the question arises, and how does it turn out that radical islamism finds a place in the nomenclature

environment? yes, there is nothing surprising here at all, because in general the dagestan elite, they are very dissatisfied with what is happening in the republic now, and they are very dissatisfied with the relations that the republic has with moscow, or already the second president of dagestan, he is a varyach, and besides in general, dagestan was... such a unique republic within the russian federation, because it was a parliamentary republic, and there was such a complex arrangement regarding the balance ethnic groups at the head of the republic, well, that's how it was governed, and now there are just varangians, first there was a russian man vasiliev, now there is melyakov. there is such a very powerful trafstan mafia, which heads all economic

and social directions of the republic, and of course the elite is not satisfied, it broadcasts it to its children, and this is what happens, and what do you think, in principle, this is what happened, it says about the fact that the russian special services, they are already degrading little by little, one can say, and cannot even respond to real a challenge because... it's one thing to invent a ukrainian threat, you know, and another thing is to deal with the real threat of people being recruited by the islamic state. look, there are two opposite versions, one version is that it was there from the very beginning and was created by the russian special services, which are trying to create such an understanding in the world, such an attitude that here is russia with the western powers, it is... on the same side of the fight against global terrorism, and there are even

warnings that there may be a huge terrorist attack on the olympics in paris france, and that this is necessary in order to play the same game that happened in the early 2000s, when the world forgot about chechnya, precisely because there is terrorism and... and we have to be together, but i think the reason for this socio-economic resistance in moscow, and it has been growing in dagestan for quite some time, the peak was there somewhere 10 years ago, but then moscow already recognized that it could not cope with it and started.

and it was precisely because of this that an armed protest was already taking place in the fall of the 22nd, and then we saw these jewish pogroms in makhachkala, and this is what is happening now, in my opinion, it’s all one chain, in these ultimatums of putin , there are new ones, which he explains there, how he sees the negotiations with ukraine, you see something on... this is a continuation of the old story, it’s all old, he’s doing bet on what trump will be, he

sends the same signals, he justifies there how it will develop in the future, and he wants to look like it is ukraine that does not want to negotiate there, he is there in moscow, he is always ready, well, you just have to... be constructive there and that's it so others, and for trump, of course, it falls on such a prepared ground, well, i think that everything is not over, and even because of these debates that took place in the united states, the democrats there began the process of finding a new candidate, and who you know , maybe there won't be biden as a candidate, but many people, i think rightly, say that if it's not biden, then he will one hundred percent

win from trump, if he wins. i believe he will raise rates because he understands that biden, his administration, it is enough is weak and it does not keep the pressure, i believe that he will increase various provocations in order to force the americans to put pressure there. on us to negotiate, but of course, if it is trump, it will be such a rapid pressure, and if it is biden, it will be more gradual, but i believe that in moscow they expect that in any way, and the west will press to negotiate. tell me, in principle,

how realistic are these proposals of trump, in your opinion, he does not even have any ideas now, he has only one idea, that he is powerful as a negotiator, that he will put everyone at the negotiating table and everyone will agree, and that's it, he has nothing more, he has more or less there. there was no money to invest in terrorist activities there, and he believes that he will also, he will lower oil prices, because of the stimulation of production in the united

states, so putin will not have money to continue the war, he... believes that putin will be afraid of him, afraid that trump can actually put pressure there by armed means and all that, and that is why he will negotiate, but on what position to negotiate, where will the front line be, where will the territory be, well, he does not understand this at all, there is now a competition of various advisors, there are finn-tanks who want to push the concept there, yes, but trump, no, he can't stop at anything now, he hasn't stopped. and why do you think he says that he will solve all this before the inauguration, if he is elected president? yes, he thinks it will be a deterrent, he thinks he's such a genius that he'll do it, but of course

that's not going to happen, and that's our chance, because when he... sees that it doesn't work that way, i think he'll take a pretty reasonable position. in this situation, in which the russian elite is now, do you think that they still continue to have these attitudes that if they started a war, then it is necessary to win, is there already an understanding that this is such a protracted process, from which there is no an optimistic outcome? on the contrary, unfortunately, the first, uh, that is, from the very beginning. russian elites were opposed, there was a negative attitude towards this war, and it remains, they still have a negative attitude towards it, but they do not see a way out, if there were some way of agreement with the west, that you reject putin, and everything is forgiven to you, then they

of course we would have followed this path, but it doesn’t exist and precisely... that’s why now the dominant position is simply to wait, and of course, while we wait, we must not lose, well, that is, in fact , everything will be decided now, putin decides by and large , how he will decide, this is his option they will be surprised by the development, but also, they do not see any way of their influence on putin, this is his decision, and that is why for them it is simply a matter of survival. thank you sir. the russian oppositionist, former deputy of the state duma of the russian federation was in touch with us, and now he is in the near east. svitlana glas, a journalist, is in touch with us. congratulations, ms. svetlana. greetings, good evening. well, the new one. said now at such a stage in the war in the middle east, when iran is threatening israel with a war of annihilation, and israel responds to iran that it is ready for

a war of annihilation and only iran itself. do you think that a new, possible new front in the middle east is possible, that there could be a real war in lebanon? if we talk about the fact that israel wants peace and to... always end the terrorist organizations that israel leads, which are hamas in the south and hezbollah in the north, which are based in lebanon, then of course we are talking about what will most likely be the so-called third lebanon war, because there have already been two wars, it is possible for israel already is being prepared, they talk about it, they transfer it to the north. in israel, some military units are, for example, those cities and settlements that are on the very border with lebanon, and from which

absolutely all the people left, for example, the large city of kiryat shmuna, which had almost 25 thousand inhabitants, now there are a little more than 2 thousand, 50 bomb shelters were brought for them, and this indicates that israel is most likely preparing. to the war with lebanon, well, judging by the latest statement of the minister of foreign affairs of israel, israel katze, who said that what well iran wants a war with us then we know how to respond to it i think israel is preparing and unfortunately it probably will be. so, what do you think about this recent decision of the supreme court of israel regarding the possible mobilization of ultra-dox jews, who until now might not have been soldiers of the israel defense forces, how is it perceived by society and how easy will it be to implement? i think that it will not be

easy to implement, and there are many reasons for this, the fact is that at the beginning of the creation of the state of israel, the then prime minister bengorion gave a temporary order that the 400 men studying in the yeshiva... it's a religious school, may not serve in the army that was then being organized in israel, but you know, we don't have anything more permanent than a temporary decision or the word is given, and that's how it all works until now, and that's how the society talked about it, but loyally, but when such a heavy and long war, which has never happened before in israel, is going on now, it's been nine months. soon will also be involved in this war as those people who serve in the army, then reservists, that is, another 300,000 people were involved who left everything, their

families, their jobs, their businesses and went to defend the country, eh, they defend, they defend it well, and they die, unfortunately, this war, and there are deaths in it, more than, almost four... our military personnel, and of course, society, especially the families, and those people who once served with these soldiers, have died, they began to say, good people, but why are we fighting, we have everything and businesses and our whole lives dying here, we have abandoned our studies, and there are a large number of israelis who also have the right to serve, but they don't do it, so there is no constitution in israel, religion is not separated from... the state, and this also causes its complications, but they have a duty to the state, as citizens, they have duty to fight, they

don't do it, and because of that, the supreme court of bagaz passed such a ruling that ultra-orthodox people must come to the army and serve, in addition, yeshiva, yeshova, or these schools where religious people study, are deprived of e.. .some funding, and they went to rallies, went to protests, we don't want it, we will die, but we will not join the army, and at this time, when i was preparing for the broadcast, a very, very large demonstration was held in israel, in jerusalem, where a large part of ultra-orthodox jews, there are only men, there are certainly no women, and they already have completely different inscriptions, posters, and they were talking about something completely different, no longer... simply that we will not go to war, we will die, and that , that the army protects the zionists, not the jews, because they do not associate themselves with the zionists, and this

here... in israel, it is necessary to understand a little a lot in order to understand who are the zionists, who are the jews, well, the obvious zionists, who wants to have a state, and the jew who wants, who is ready to live under any conditions in this territory, he absolutely everything is the same whose government, what we need to understand here is that there are ukrainians who want to have a state, and there are people who are ready to live under russia, this is how it goes here, and right now, this is such a confrontation between some people and others , although both those and other jews, and those... and those profess judaism, and all want it to be, that there should be peace and that there should not be terrorists, who are with us and have caused such a terrible, terrible war that is going on, you, you understand that we do not have only one front in the south, we still have a front in the north, because hezbollah is shelling the northern areas a lot , and 150,000 jews who lived there, they are now also refugees in their own country, they live

sometimes in a hotel, then in some... rented apartments, then with their relatives, and they do not know how long this will continue, it is already lasts nine months, and we are very restless in samaria and judea, where there are also terrorists who from time to time time, almost every day they come and attack the jews, the settlers who live there, because of that israel now, i can say that israel now has three fronts in the army, it is the south, the north and judea, samaria. people, what is called from an international point of view, the west bank of the jordan river, yes, yes, of course, it worries you that, on the part of the jewish settlers, in this territory also now the acts of violence against the arab population who live there are increasing , you know, due to my profession, and when i worked for 17 years on my own correspondent of the national radio company of ukraine and had the opportunity to be there with foreign correspondents, we were taken there.

"we were always accompanied by the police, the israel defense forces, and strangely enough , it was the first time that we were more protected from jewish settlements, they were not so calm, they attacked us, well , they tried not to spread biased information about , absolutely exactly, absolutely exactly, and he was standing near the arab settlements..." well, it's not easy here, well, due to my profession, i was in the settlements and i was in these in the arab settlements there and i will honestly tell you that i was without security, so maybe i saw it differently, but it seemed to me that there is a very tense atmosphere, the situation is practically not perceived by each other at all, there is not even a chance for a compromise, this is the question .

vat this problem, because it will become the main one after the end of the conflict in the gas sector? of course, you know, going back to the topic of recruiting ultra-orthodox people into the army, there is a very big problem here, and the army is ready to accept 300 this year, but how do they have to serve, where they have to serve, this is also the place where they will live, where they will sleep, where they have to pray, because they have to pray, this is their food, it has to be kosher. is this the first, are these the first religious jews who serve in the israel defense forces, this has always been resolved with the religious zionists, they also prayed, always ate kosher food, you are a little mistaken here, because there are simply jews who are very religious, they serve, they have so-called knitted kips, ugh, and these are ultra-orthodox people, as you already said, they do not accept israel at all as a state, but their menu is the same with these people who serve, which or not?