rehabilitation, including plus leisure, in the veteran space, the principle of an individual approach is applied. donor funds from the representative office of the council of europe in ukraine, uah 780,000, were used for the repair and furnishing of the rooms. currently, the center employs nine specialists who are ready to help with all requests. anna morozova, bohdan proskorov from poltava for espresso tv channel. yes, well, i, too, have... a guest, ivan tymochko, a serviceman and head of the council of reservists of the armed forces of ukraine. mr. ivan, i congratulate you. congratulations, glory to ukraine, i am glad for you to see the glory of the ground troops of the armed forces of ukraine as heroes, as far as i understand, it would be correct to say so. you know what i'm going to start with, i'll start with a general question to you, as a military serviceman, the topic of orban's visit to ukraine is being actively discussed today. and there are talks about the fact that they have already come to negotiate, that there will be negotiations, but it means that somewhere something will have to be conceded, there are such cautious statements by politicians, etc.

dologov, but i want to ask a person who is a military man, how do you evaluate such topics, how do you treat them, and i understand that always if there is an order from the higher command, it will be, this order will be carried out, but in the understanding of the current state of war, are there any prospects for saying that oh no, let's, if there is an opportunity, let's quickly agree, because everything is simple, in general ukraine, for now , is a democratic country and our political elites, or especially persons... heads of government who have elected positions, they somehow listen to the opinion of society, or at least try to influence it, and if there is a request in society for struggle, and if it exists in society, and all sociology speaks of this and the level of trust in the army is 85%, then try some backroom, god forbid, peace negotiations, some...

incomprehensible, because first of all, for peace to happen, they have to there are two sides to want, at this stage we can see what demands putin is putting forward, these are capitalist capitular conditions in essence, he wants donetsk, luhansk oblast in its entirety, crimea in its entirety, demands that ukraine on its territory from zaporizhzhia, dnipropetrovsk, kherson oblast region withdrew troops and did some demilitarized zone there. accepted the occupation and we ourselves know non-alignment and many other points, that is, these are a priori demands, which, well, they are not even that they are not debatable, they are unacceptable a priori, of course, he understands this perfectly, of course it is also perfectly understood in international arenas, so actually and the first, the first such, you know, constitutive meetings of the peace summit took place, where it was still represented that the basic thing would be... putin's coercion for peace, but

actually, whether there is a question in society, well, when the people are ready fight and defend, then of course the demand is for victory and we know that even the extreme sociology that almost 80% of the population believe in victory further, believe it in the near future, besides that there could be some really panicky moods or bearish moods if, let's say , there were tik... we had a situation at the beginning of the year when we had a certain political crisis, when deputies could not vote, the law on strengthening mobilization processes, which essentially obliged the authorities, business, state and non-state structures, say, to mobilize to interact with the army, this it is important, now there is an obligation, earlier it was prescribed for there is a result in fact, and there is a result, so actually, again, this again does not speak of any capitulation potential chapters. in words, this speaks of readiness

and planning for resistance to struggle. we are also waiting for the meeting of the second peace summit. i subjectively perceive orbán's passage as an attempt, when he outwitted himself, an attempt to take a stronger side after all. i am sure that orbán monitors the situation inside the structure of nato countries very well. he knows what the influences are russia has real ones, and i'm ... sure that after sanctions were imposed on the moscow stock exchange, sanctions were imposed on russian media in europe, he realized that the influence in russia will disappear one way or another, and again he understands that he has created a precedent and a precedent when he may find himself outside the nato bloc. the third party, which orban understands, that ukraine could potentially end up in nato, and he understands that the negotiations are now because... nato bloc, that is, wants such

a general image of the alliance, actually inside it also has a number of its alliances, its spheres of influence, its consolidations of countries with stronger interests. and so on, he understands that now ukraine, having joined nato, will have a serious influence, and then through nato legislation, it can directly influence certain positions or the same agreements regarding hungary, and besides that, he will immediately, he will understand that we are part of the european union. have you heard claims that there is a third party in the negotiation process, like orban , so why should orban be a third party? in the negotiation process, if this china took up the topic. china, well, probably the smallest city in china, bigger than us in size, well, i might exaggerate a little, exaggerate, if the hungarian population is somewhere up to 10 million, then in principle yes, that is, we understand, yes spheres

of influence and potential, even more so , many times already within the alliances there is a conversation about removing hungary's influence there or changing its current legislation so that... these are all the nuances, well, you can see, we also see information that orbán, extreme elections, he sees that the opposition rapidly gaining momentum, the fate of ceausescu, well, this is clearly not his topic, and of course it will not be like that anymore, but in any case, well, in moscow they commented that they call him putin's moustache, piskov said that this is in line with the interests of brussels, well, hungary now presides over europe, in the european union, so... that's right, but russia presides, russia presides over the bog, and i do, and now it's important to understand about reserves, reserve, about mobilization, about filling, well, the arrival of new fresh forces to the army and prospects, because

we have information from the ministry of defense, which they say that they are satisfied with the current pace of mobilization, which is good, we... see a lot of people now, but not always they can cope with a large influx of people, the territorial centers of recruitment and social support, this is understandable on the one hand, well, very a lot of people come there, who renew their reservation, who somewhere else is there, well , not everyone comes who are said to be eligible, but out of 2.8 million, if i'm not mistaken, there are approximately 1,100 people who have updated their data who are eligible to military service already now, and according to your assessment, not giving out. some kind of information so that we don’t have it now, because well , i know that you know how to talk, because we can name numbers, what we can and how much we need, it’s never worth it, the enemy, let him guess, but here are 100,000 suitable, understood , that one million 100 00 will not be taken to the army right away,

but to work with these people to train and gradually take people either to the front line or somewhere in some other structures that work in the interests of the defense forces, the armed forces of ukraine, and... what is the need and how much time is needed? you know, you almost answered your own question, i didn't say anything, i didn't say anything, really, correctly, you correctly observed the situation, which is not even so important in some mathematical calculations, because russia is many times bigger country, many times in terms of mathematical potential by population, we seem to have a huge mobilization resource, but up to 25 million are african in general. once, mercenaries two, private companies three, mass mobilization of these wage earners, wage earners, mass mobilization in the occupied territories, simplified naturalization procedure migrants, in general, the obligations of migrants, say, the same marginal structures that

do not fight in any countries, the same prisoners, we can list, that is, we can clearly see that it is not so much a mathematical accounting, but what is in them problem? the fact that they have a mobilization system capable of, let's say, preparing an infection in the range of 250-3000, this is the first, second, per year, you mean, at a time, that is, they recruit there for about two or three months, let's take it conditionally, we take conditional ones for 2-4 months, depending on the military specialty, and it depends on how well a person prepares, of course, in order to close holes at the front, they have everything from african corps to the same... wagners, stormzets and pennants, torches, patriots, redoubts and cossacks unification, there are many other nuances they have, yes, they are the ones with which they close, what is the real issue with us, and it is very important that the issue is in the system and in

the readiness of the population to participate in hostilities, and until the moment cooking, preparation, we cannot afford, like russia, and this wrong a priori. whether to import mercenaries, because if we want to be a european country that complies with the norms of international law, then such an issue as mercenaries is not suitable, even those fighters who are in foreign countries. legions , they conclude a contract with the armed forces of ukraine. now there is a second question, and it will be extremely important that mobilization now has several such main pillars. this mobilization is what we are talking about through the procurement and recruiting centers. plus , in order for quality to prevail over quantity, actually, for example, even so-called recruiting centers for unmanned aircraft have now been created in the structure of the ground forces. apparatuses, there are separate recruiting centers that recruit radio electronic warfare specialists, that is, the technological

component goes in this direction, besides, we know from the 25th year that there will be general professional and basic training of the entire male population, in particular from 18 to 25 years old, it will be priority, that is, it is a reserve of people who have time, during this time they will have, when they undergo basic and professional training, decide: with a military specialty, to understand what the army is, without being at war, it is also important, that is, these fears, imposed or social fears, they will be removed, a person will be able to test himself, and what is important, the enemy who understands that we do not have so much just mathematically, there is a sequence of mobilization, mobilization resource, as we have stable reserves, then the question of the expediency of such a war will arise, in addition to this... the preparation of the population is what we all really wanted before, when

the law on military service in the reserve was voted on and law about total resistance, it is extremely important, it is important in the sense that we can now calculating, well, of course, this is not voiced openly, calculating the number that will undergo training, we can even make a request to our allies for weapons or, say, technical equipment for perspective, this is very... very serious, very important, systematicity is important to us. we recall with you when we received, partially received help from our allies, we successfully struck the enemy, so we could also conduct a counterattack and carry out other operations, for example, pushing the russians out of kharkiv and kherson, and when a problem arose, when this interruption of continuity occurred, when we received a certain pause in the support of the allies, we did not just, say, stop there for five places. now we have to spend time on the accumulation of ammunition, on the training of personnel,

because simply calling up people is not enough, they need to be trained in something, prepared for something, and someone must also manage them, this is all time, so now we actually see how much seriously staked and the commander-in-chief continuously, and in the intervals between the fronts on the training grounds, and the same commander of the ground forces, he is now directly responsible. for the quality, for the professionalism of the training of military personnel, what you and i are talking about, a million or so you said, 100 00, potentially ready, potentially ready people, we understand that not everyone needs to be called up, that is, it gives potential, the opportunity to make a sample and build some kind of sequence, so problems will arise, of course, there will be many challenges, there will be many attempts by the russians to disrupt this continuity for... it is important for them that we have cyclicality, we have mistrust, we have internal conflicts, and it will also depend

on how monolithic and united we are internally in the country, the enemy on the front line has never defeated us, historically never, let's not touch this topic here yet, but when some politicians start to arrange, well, how to say, such online scandals with the generals, well, but again, it's not... not to our topic of conversation, but i am simply leading to the fact that society, well , simply cannot help but see how people with deputy mandates begin to try to influence some processes that they definitely have nothing to do with, do not even have an understanding of what it is, and even more so do not touch , do not touch the generality, well, there are higher military-politicians of the state who can give an assessment, there are those who can give an adequate assessment of the work of a conditionally colonel-general of syria or conditionally some other general there, whoever he may be, and this is just to say that this is important, but it's just a shame when separate. people are starting to raise these waves and this stench is being carried out, well, this is wrong, i am here -

what is important, for the first time we have about 300, if i am not mistaken, were involved with the permission of the ukrainian authorities, of course, by the decision of the appropriate people who were in prison, a check was made and those who showed good will, well, there are no serious crimes, disloyalty to the state, there are no other crimes of a sexual nature, of a different nature, they were able to join the ranks of the armed forces of ukraine. and what is interesting, information immediately appeared on the internet that there are some the prisoners ran away with the weapons, i didn't, well, then they said that somehow it all disappeared there, i have the impression that such... can appear in the sense of showing that according to your information, as far as you are concerned, this will not work, but i want to ask about promising work and again, how should this initiative be evaluated in the perspective of attracting people who, well, or again , get into a bind, well, if so , how to get there they say to every person, in principle, every person with a great

desire can be locked up somewhere, well, well, well it's true, well, a person can get into an accident, maybe somewhere there, well, anything can happen, so but... people express such a desire, as far as you see in this perspective, and how is it correct to communicate here, to communicate with society, and not to be such moods as the series of yes, you already have no people at all, and well, yes, you are taking them out of prison like russians, well, what did the question actually arise, when is it right, you know, no matter how much we wanted to leave, when the political a component of the discussion, when there were actually voices debates on the adoption of the law on the strengthening of mobilization processes, a number of politicians tried new... to attract attention or the illusion that someone will fight for us, we recall, there some talked about hundreds of thousands of policemen who did not appear in our country, then others were told that we have 150,000 civil servants who can go to fight, although later it turned out that out of those 150,000 , 120 are actually women, and the rest are men,

of whom 5,000 to 10,000 are already serving and even dead and wounded, as well as several men, which civil servant who does not... fight, it is either the state of health, or there really is armor there, well , that is, it is definitely not the critical number, and the same situation was raised with prisoners, why? well, again, to force us to look closely at hostile practices, hostile narratives. thank god that it is accepted differently in our country, that we did not create any private companies like the wagners, it is worth understanding that even a prisoner or a convicted person. in ukraine, this is first of all a citizen of ukraine, if he had ukrainian citizenship, if he is a foreigner, then of course he is of some kind circumstances ended up in ukraine, and here the issue is already separately considered, again, the number of convicts and prisoners in ukraine, it cannot turn the tide of the war, but if a person expressed a desire, according to a certain procedure,

this is also a judicial process , and certain other points. which give a person the right to serve while in prison, if he wants to use it, he can use it, and here again , as soon as he finds himself in the army, he should not be considered as a prisoner, it is considered as a serviceman of the armed forces of ukraine, his past is already his past, he is responsible for it, the question is that our prisoners, despite everything there, have their own subcultures. er, this subculture of prisoners, it is not widespread in society, as , say, in russia, in russia, yes, well , how much there, i’m sorry, once again i think it’s 80 or so percent of people in families or 90 even, in which someone sat or is sitting, this is even the book rus sydashchaya, this is about russia, so 9000 900 00 - these are those which which penitentiary service of russia gave reports

approximately that in a year passes through prison, it passes, that is, they either sit, or... those who have been released, how many convicts, well, there was probably a separate question, that is, where did they have them from and have them, especially since this is a dictatorial country, it is clear that and plus there is its own subculture, that is, the projection of prisoners that some were afraid they would transfer to the armed forces, no, in the army they are servicemen, this subculture is not dominant, it, let's be honest, is alien to the main mass of the ukrainian population, and... of course, what, can you give chances, of course you can. does it break the bank? no, no breaks, because even the fact that the last numbers are 300, people who are already in the armed forces, well, this, in modern conditions of war, is not always a full brigade, even, to understand us, now up to a million people are fighting, but such a number

of people, of course, if they perform their duties and tasks efficiently and effectively. they, they will fulfill it, they will give an opportunity to take some positions, to fill the need for places. anyway, we don't have such a number of prisoners that we could say that this experiment is successful, we are recruiting and that's for sure we will win there are different numbers, and the judiciary stated, and what we heard, different numbers, that is, with the convicted, it is almost 40 thousand, the convicted are those who can serve conditional sentences, not all of them. that is, somewhere around 25-27 are those who are in penitentiary service, that is, directly in prison, that is , exactly, if we reject the number of prisoners that you mentioned, who are not subject to mobilization according to the articles, well, that is... probably a question , it is still more political than military. well, with regard to the reserve plus application, the process continues when people register, so friends,

acquaintances, who is still becoming or coming to update, well, mostly becoming, because whoever updates the data, then he updates, now you can update the data in the application, but who has not been registered there, there are a lot of people now in the territorial collection centers, someone again, people come there to renew their reservations, someone comes... to update the data that he has three children, someone to update the data that he can't or deregister her there, well, not all people who come to the tcc, now those people who are fit for service, especially not not not for sure, they will be sent to the training centers, but according to your assessment, well , on july 16, if i'm not mistaken, the deadline for updating the data or getting registered will expire, then there will be certain fines and so on, so now i understand that those people who were waiting for the lines to end. they understand that there are two weeks left here, they have to go, and that is why now again there are more people, well, what i am tracking like this, but according to your estimation, when this wave will

subside a little, and from that all gold, because everyone our ukrainians are gold, who will pass through this sieve, well, it will be possible to select a certain number of people, which is needed right now at this stage of the war, and there from the perspective, and to understand what we actually have, what we have in reserve, what we can count on... this is such an influx here is this one at tsk, when in your opinion it can stop, so that it is possible to work in a more normal state, well , at least i would like this state to be again, a certain illusion was created that in the center of the assembly of fans, only people come, which have the status or right to postponement or dismissal from military service, in fact, just such a person comes, he reports, submits documents, his status is confirmed. she is leaving, a person who is suitable for military service is with her, the very procedure of her work with her is being stretched, first of all, this is already passing the military medical commission, this is already about

work on the state of readiness, that is , the stages are already underway, these are already people , what we are used to, you know, talking in the military, so it is not worth dividing whether some ones or shadows came, in fact, everyone comes equally this regarding the fact that, once again, based on the results, based on the results, i repeat, it will be possible to evaluate the state of efficiency or the state of sufficiency of the work carried out, it will be possible to say for sure somewhere there in the final days, when there will already be a general summary, a general evaluation, and from that will be a reaction, again, mobilization is really happening. is on a good enough track, despite all its problems, twists and turns, but this is not a critical number that affects the process itself, so after

july 16 it will definitely be announced some analysis, the result of the work will be announced, this number is needed, which was needed, whether it will be needed, which will be pre-recruited, which has been recruited, which is already in training. centers somewhere, relatively speaking, the first ones who came and were mobilized, somewhere at the end of july, probably, the first ones who, maybe, probably, probably not somewhere in august, will already get directly to the military units, where they will continue to serve, that is, they will go through the stage of training, on experience, on the basis of work, the work will work, even those 1.5 million, and i think we are somewhere around 1.5-2 million people who are suitable for military service, but still... go through a number of certain stages, clarifications, approvals and so on, this will already happen simply inertly according to the situation, i.e. here, absolutely not for some

, the illusion is created that only status people come to the military assembly centers, in others the illusion is created that they will come on july 16 or 18, the curtain fell, the curtain, the light was turned off, no, the same process continues work will be carried out from... with those citizens who reported and registered and with whom there is work, well, plus those who are violators, of course there will be a certain format of work with them, again, we have more than a million in the army, we understand what i will say right away, well , you will have time to answer later, and about because information was voiced by one of the people's deputies that if the mobilization continues like this, that it is the ministry of defense, according to me, the ministry of defense said, i just don't remember who exactly, so i won't lie. and it will be possible sometime in the fall to talk about rotation in the sense that people who have not served for two years 2.5, will be able to return home, caesar.

kesreve, to the deputy, first of all , about sufficiency, efficiency, effectiveness, plans for the future, demobilization, increased mobilization, only military personnel who really know the state of affairs, who really know the picture, who know the plan of the enemy, who know their potentials and opportunities. phrases like that, just to attract her attention, they are from one side. are not relevant, if only because when the law was voted on, it was decided that after 8 months for based on the results, based on experience, taking into account the politico-military-political situation , the question of discussing the law on demobilization itself will be raised, no matter how much we all want to please each other, run before our father to hell, that i will only strike citizens, the aggressor country attacked us, we are defending ourselves, putin is driving, building an axis of evil, trying to build his maximum

union. to agree on weapons, our politicians , instead of working with their colleagues in other countries to strengthen defense capabilities, for some reason always want to offer simple and quick solutions, well , unfortunately, i thank you very much for coming, first of all, and thank you for your frank professional comments, it is very important to actually tell the truth and see the world realistically, and not to invent and make up something for yourself, i wish success in your service, was with us, a civil servant and head. for the sake of the reservists of the land forces, we say goodbye to mr. ivan, and in just a moment, i will tell you the most important news in detail. events, events that are happening right now and affect ours life. of course, the news story reports about them, but it is not enough to know what is happening, one must understand it. antin borkovskii and invited experts soberly assess the events, analyze them, modeling our future. every saturday at 1 p.m. with

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of energy workers from... by the russians. unfortunately, two women died as a result of a hostile russian attack in nikopol, dnipropetrovsk region, a city which, i remind you, has been under constant enemy fire for 2.5 years. this was announced by the head of the region, serhii lysak. there are also nine wounded in the city. during the shelling, the enemy caused a lot of destruction in the district center. houses, local educational institutions and a dispensary were damaged, shops and a beauty salon were damaged. "the occupiers injured a resident of bereslav in the kherson region, the russians dropped explosives from a drone when the 54-year-old woman was on own yard, the army reported, the military administration of the region reported. the victim was taken to the hospital with a blast injury and contusion. well, it's really hard to understand what drives the enemy who takes these drones and just hunts a

54-year-old woman in her yard. what, whatever, it's just some kind of realization of one's stupid fantasies or desires, or whatever, well , it's absolutely impossible to understand here, of course , the woman will recover, but this is a constant practice, explosives are dropped on civilian cars, on people in the yard, on people , which just go along road, well, in kherson region, on the right bank , this happens, unfortunately, very often, the government allocated 2 billion 3008, 386 million uah for drones, and no, for the restoration of roads in the border and near-front... regions, i am absolutely not here now i'm ironic, because quite often roads are needed there in order to arrange adequate logistics, and this is understandable, but on the other hand, it is necessary to always keep under control the development of such money, so that there is no later creation of temporary investigative commissions. with these funds, roads used for the needs of the armed forces and humanitarian purposes, the ministry of economy reported. kharkiv oblast will receive the largest tranche.