thinking that you don't have a leg anymore, i didn't have such a thing, that there is no leg, my god, panic, because many people have it, in me, i was taken from the intensive care unit by a psychotherapist, yes, they came, talked to him, and when i lie in the intensive care unit for 40 days, you can't see anything, and when someone comes to you, it's already happiness to talk to someone, and... well, i don't have a leg, they calmed me down with a prosthesis, there will be a prosthesis , there will be a protest on the belt, that is, not as it will be individual, i did not bother much about it, even me, when i was in the intensive care unit, i had no idea what i was going to do next, suicidal thoughts did not come, that's all, i'm already half-human, i don't need anyone, no, my relatives came to me, they supported me, they said that it's not problem, we will always be there. that is, it also

reassured me, well, in fact, you are one of those stronger people, actually, people who can convince yourself of this, i have no doubt that you will have a great mission in that life to convince others who cannot afford it themselves. a little further on, please tell me whether the sensations in your non-existent leg persisted those phantom pains, do you still have them, i have, i have, as it turns out, i somehow got very scared... i was driving, and you are driving, yes, i can tell you the following story, when i was more or less stable, i had to go to zhytomyr for a part, that's all, i bought a car, i didn't drive with my left foot yet, i got behind the wheel, drove 30-40 km and that's it, and i was already in zhytomyr in the morning the next day. so here is such

a story, and so i was driving once, and i have such a feeling that a nail was inserted into my heel, such a sharp pain in the leg that is not there, in the one that is not there, such a sharp pain, and there are still such moments when the sciatic nerve, ugh, such a feeling as if a current pierces the whole leg, i somehow touched it, they say that those extreme pain sensations that were before the amputation are remembered and they are stored somewhere subconsciously in our brain, and certain courses of psychotherapy help to get rid of it, that's right, that's it i had five fractures in my leg, and i remember it the most these, tell me, i know that you have a rather cool, modern, perfect prosthesis of the lower limb, which helps you walk without support on your own, how did you get it, how were you attacked and how did you become your own ... that

normal a healthy prosthesis, so i was in vanbroken in the rehabilitation center and during training , guests and visitors came and offered to attend a football match shakhtar lviv, no, it was like that, who loves football, i, who cheers for shakhtar, i go to the match, yes, i think i will just be a guest of that match, it turned out that i made the first symbolic kick of this match. and the next day after that , the representatives of the shakhtar football club called me and offered prosthetics, and on the same day, the day after the match, i received my mechanical prosthesis and they offered me a more functional one, i agreed, i talked to the prosthetists, they reset all the data on the prosthesis to them and... and they

agreed, this amount was 86, it is unaffordable for me, but they fulfilled their promise, i received this protest and i am very satisfied, somehow he had to specially learn to use this particular prosthesis, and the stereotype itself is different, at least, but it was somehow easier for me, that is... glances on the street, here is a guy walking in shorts, he has a bionic metal thing instead of one leg, do you notice in any way, is it unpleasant for you when people stare, or are you already used to it, at first it was unpleasant, now i just don’t pay attention to it, but when there are such looks, i look at the answer and look directly in the eyes and the look is not i take them away, and they themselves look away and walk away, as if it is necessary

to explain to people that people with prostheses are now a large part of our society, or to wait until civil society itself comes to that, but we don't have to wait, we have to... somehow act, we have to to explain, there was one story that i was in a store with a prosthesis, and a child was three or four years old from me, mother, mother, look, and i say come here, i say touch, she touched it with her finger and ran away, well that's it then this is the right first acquaintance, it is absolutely so adequately, our heroes, they are more than bionics. jobs, these are just people who do the impossible, and often at the cost of their own health and life, yevgeny schwab, master of granite stone, machine gunner of the 95th brigade, and now yevheny schwab has some other directions in life and lives no longer in zhytomyr, and near

lviv, how has your life changed, how do you aim now, actually like a machine gunner, what you see in the sight of your mental machine gun, so when... i already had this perception, i immediately knew that i would do i want to be useful, i don’t want to exist there, i already want to live on, that is, to develop, i talked to my psychotherapist and i say, oleksiy, i have such an idea, i say, can i be a psychologist for boys, a mentor, so that on in my experience, they somehow socialized, adapted to prostheses, even to society, and we decided that... so no, i entered the university, already finished the first year, at the same time i am studying gestalt therapy, and my rehabilitator, she founded the roxy foundation and this little girl is doing incredible work

for boys, er, for generally from her the patient returned to the front with an amputee from an amputee. with a prosthesis, and now we are collecting at the charging station for him, that is, i don’t know how much she has, there was one, she said that, what are you missing, she said hours in a day, that is, a girl, she works, women, i love you please, as a person who has already adapted himself, undergone a little decompression and sees his clear light at the end of the tunnel, tell your message to the guys... who are just starting to live with their amputations and are starting to accept them, how should they treat it ? so purely through your experience through your filter? when i was still without a prosthesis, i was told the following phrase: the rule of three,

nothing is impossible, that is, it exists, it is, i never thought that i would walk without crutches, without a stick, that is, to develop it. not standing, communicating, accepting some new experience, this is the main thing for socialization. zhenya, what is useful for you in your prosthesis, what you could not do with your real leg made of bones and muscles, what you can do now with a prosthesis, i can do you have a cup holder, show me, you have one, let's put a cup. oh, hold on, yevgeny schwab, a person who has no limits, you understand, in fact, prosthetics and amputations are, first of all, they are in your mind, in your head, if you perceive and treat it like that and start using it this

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europe in particular, let's start with europe, because there first, at the beginning of the week, they approved, finally enforced the 14th package anti-russian sanctions, the minister of foreign affairs of lithuania, gabrielius lansbergis, said that it was very difficult to adopt and that they had already started working on the 15th, which will be even more difficult to adopt, then there was... very important news for us - this is the beginning of negotiations on the accession of ukraine to the european union and eventually the summit of the european union, and in all these events ukraine was more or less central, well , at least in some events it was central. let's start with this beginning of the negotiations on ukraine's accession to the european union. for these last few a lot of people talked about it for days, and i 'll tell you honestly, it seemed to me that it was very often on the air of ukraine. their tv channels had too much pathos, but let's go without this pathos and without

excessive hyperbolization, i understand that this beginning of negotiations is extremely important for us, but what should we really expect from this and what should we really be ready for? well, here i will agree with pathos in principle, because this is truly an unusual event, we are not just recognized as a candidate, we are already starting, we are starting negotiations, then... we are already in the process, we we are entering the process of integration into the european union, and this should also be understood as a certain milestone in the modern or modern history of ukraine, but... this does not mean that we have already entered, and it will be very easy for us to do it, and everyone is waiting for us there with open arms and so on, no, we are on the threshold of a long and difficult journey , in fact, which will last not months, but years, and not one year and not two and not three, that

's why i think we need to be ready to the point that... they will play harder with us, not not like that, no, no, no, we, no can and should not count on any leniency, but for us, this means that we ourselves need to be internally stronger, we need to be more ready, prepared for these negotiations, have arguments, have an honest open position, have no weak points, vulnerable, where we can be justly reproached, and what was done before, so to speak and... the same corruption, ineffectiveness of state administration, governance and so on, but it is necessary to be, yes, and it is necessary to pay much more attention, in fact, to negotiations on and preparation for negotiations at the so-called expert level, this is no longer not only the political level, but it will already be professional conversations on, well,

look at the industry trends there and so on, i will interrupt you, i'm sorry, but what exactly are these negotiations, because... if before the negotiations we had any requirements that the official brussels put before us, we fulfilled these requirements and started the accession negotiations, now under these, during these negotiations, what exactly will happen during these negotiations? well, look, the requirements before us really, prerequisites, yes, were set, and formally we seem to have fulfilled them, and the european union formally recognized that we fulfilled them, although if we put our hands on our hearts, we would probably agree that not everything is ours. well and safely, well, in the issue of, for example, anti-corruption policy, there are many nuances, excesses, and, even, i would say from the rollbacks in this reform, there are problems in general with the principles of the rule of law, with the judicial system, and the prosecutor's office, and everything related to this, law enforcement agencies, here i would even say that there is

in terms of not making changes to the laws, in terms of implementing these reforms, compliance. in the course of the implementation of these reforms, well, we have weak points, and we could, i think that if these circumstances were not military, well, we would not have been told that you have succeeded, so to some extent we were even playing along in this matter , well , in the hope, in the hopes that we will solve these problems in the course of the negotiations there over the years of the introductory process, what will be discussed, there will be negotiations... the introductory negotiations are composed of 32 separate chapters, this is a separate one, which can to be grouped into clusters, or groups, such groups can simultaneously progress negotiations on different chapters in some cluster, the chapters are sectoral there, well, there is a general political approach, because what is the subject

of negotiations, in order to be a member of the european union, we need to implement it, i.e. adopt european laws into our national legislation, european legislation, it is called ac communiter or common property, i.e. it is a complex of legislation, laws and norms that regulate internal relations, well exactly the existence of the european union and the relations of states within this european union, and we need to include all this in our national legislation, to adopt it, this is the main premise of these... speeches, well , there are points, yes, these are general ones, well, legal ones the state, accordingly, democratic principles, human rights, and all jurisdiction, jurisprudence, security and so on, these are all such political points that i can, well , which also need to be discussed and we

will also need to implement and approve all of this in its legislation, but there is still a complex. more complicated, it is the compatibility of the so-called, technological, trade, for example, industry, agrarian policy and here sectoral, and the sectoral approach is more or less economic, and these are separate chapters, they will open negotiations, negotiations are concluded, one chapter is closed, we move on to another chapter, and so 32 times oh, how complicated it all is, yes and so 32 times, so there is a lot of work, it will require a narrow expertise. specialized, sectoral, i would say so, and it will require the presence or training of teams, negotiating these experts, there are of course politicians, the delegation from... the election has been formed, the decree, if the president were to be made public, the head or head of the delegation, the vice-prime minister for european euro-atlantic integration, and

the delegation consists mainly of deputies of each ministry, and, that is it is not the ministry of foreign affairs that is conducting these negotiations, it is the whole government that is engaged in this, well, apparently, for successful conduct, we need to strengthen the government, this is also true, it is not yet visible how many conversations there are, but effective there are very few steps, but the government will have to hire negotiators, it will have to hire experts, advisers, who will advise politicians, government officials, how to defend their, well, our national interests and positions during these negotiations, what can be negotiated, so we have to adopt legislation completely, there is no council for this, we cannot say no, we do not accept this law there, we simply will not accept it without it. the composition of the members, but we can negotiate about some transitional periods of the functioning of some rules there regulations, especially in the economy, in

standardization, there are technical standards, by the way, to which we will need to switch, quality standards, well, in industrial products, these are technical standards, the industry produces what kind of standard should it meet there , in food. this is safety, food safety, so that the food products that we produce are safe, first of all, for the consumer, and so on and so forth, and here every country that entered, it traded, traded, so to speak, in the course of negotiations for the interests of its national producer, for, well, access to the market, this is clearly common, but also competition with other producers, some industry can from... immediately switch to european standards , to function immediately on the open european market, and some branch of the economy cannot do this, but i would like

to be a little more calm about it now, we have many other national problems, war, security, there is the destruction of entire branches of the economy, we we will have to build a new economy, in fact, we already understand that we will have to build a new energy industry, because the old soviet one, at least the thermal one, has been practically destroyed, hydropower is also very serious. suffered, so we will have to build a new energy and a new economy and we will have to look for our own niches and our specialization in the european markets, and when we are already inside the european union, we can do it thanks to the fact that we have switched to these standards and safety and quality and everything else, and technical standards, we will be able to sell our products not only on the territory or within the borders of the european market, but also throughout the world, because there will be... such trust that it is made in the european union, made in the eu. this in itself is worth a lot, in fact, that is why we will have to make concessions, a lot of concessions, but for

now i urge you not to worry too much about this, because we can find directions that are unexpected for us, where we will still bring more, more benefits and more benefits than the concessions we made we can leave during the negotiations, it is very interesting, but i... that these negotiations will be difficult, it will be difficult, they will be difficult, because they are about pragmatic interests, it is not simple , but if there is sympathy for ukraine, it is emotional, yes, well european society, european nations, citizens, they sympathize with ukrainians, accept refugees, pay some kind of social benefits there, help if they can, share clothes, food with everyone, this is done voluntarily, for free, it is an emotional impulse, so to speak, and when it goes ... already about the interests of business, about how much to earn, to pay taxes there and to spend on something, on our own countries, then there is fierce competition, there is a pragmatic conversation,

there is no sympathy there, if we are going to hunt, have mercy on us, then we already sympathized, only in a different form, but here they will not sympathize, here it is necessary to agree, to seek compromises, to agree on interests, to agree, obviously , to accept them. conditions are not fatal for us, so to speak, in the hope and expectation that we we will adapt to them, adjust and be able to use them to our advantage after some relatively short period of time, let's give this topic now to close the last question to you, often, well, probably after the start of a full-scale invasion, when we started inviting to the european of the union, they said this: they drew the number 2030, is it a drawn number or is it a real number? it is optimal, i will say so, it is probably minimally possible, because

there is only one. technical of the european itself to the union, it cannot be faster, because the admission of new members involves the allocation of funds for adaptation, for some transition period, for preparation for membership, that is, this too, by the way, funds will be allocated for us to prepare for the have become compliant with their standards, it takes time, it takes money, and it takes people, yes, three resources, three types of resources, and that 's it... the european union is planning its future budget, this budget is called financial the plan is made for up to seven years, but there were in the soviet union five-year plans, here in the european union , the financial plan is not a plan to fulfill what has been done, it's just the way the budget is drawn up, the financial plan is for seven years, it allows for long-term strategic planning of certain things and progressive development, well, forward, yes, without sudden

jumps. but also without sharp drops, and the main thing is that the transition can be planned for a long time, and in this current financial plan, it ends in the 27th year, from the 20th to the 27th year, and there these funds are not invested in the accession of ukraine , but in the 27th year they will be maybe they can already be included in the budget for the preparation of ukraine, and three years are given until 2030, approximately plus or minus a year or two, well, i think that it is more plus than minus. funds will already be allocated for preparation, so that ukraine is technically ready to be a member of this community, and the 30th year is quite so optimal, it is still planned and political decisions must be made for this, in addition to technical preparation, there must be decisions of the european council , the european parliament, have all these bodies that exist today, and is elected after the elections to the european parliament, they function for 5 years, that is, this is

the 21st year again, the next convocation is the 30th, they will form their bodies and will, perhaps, be ready to make political decisions about ukraine's entry into this , in this organization, in this association, well , plus one more moment that we have also felt recently, after all the decisions there of the european council, the european parliament, the final decision will still be made through the ratification of the agreement on the accession of ukraine to european union, its ratification not only in european parliament, in all. parliaments of the member countries and here, if the hungarian hungarian question or the problem of hungarian ratification in the hungarian parliament has already become for us such a sharp - a loud bell that we simply will not be, unfortunately, so i propose to stay in brussels, but now let's change a little, let's talk now about the war that the russians have been aggressively waging for more than two years, they are waging against us in ukraine,

speaking in brussels. after a meeting with the president, still the president of the european union councilor charles michel, volodymyr zelenskyi said, now i will quote: now we need to develop a detailed plan, detailed steps regarding all the crises brought to our country by putin's war. within months we have to make this plan, we don't have much time, we have a lot of wounded, killed, both military and civilian, so we don't want this war to last for years, so we have to prepare. this plan and put it on the negotiating table at the second peace summit, if there will be any negotiations in the shadows, then this is not happening, then it's not about us, we want to do it openly, it's very important for us, taking into account the fact that lately, mr. volodymyr, very often from russia, putin himself repeatedly speaks about it, peskov speaks, lavrov speaks, there are statements about , that no, no, we are open to these negotiations, it is ukraine that does not want them, considering this, well, such

an ambiguous statement to me. volodymyr zelenskyi, because earlier it seems to me that he did not talk about so and so, can we talk about the fact that something is being said on the sidelines about the end wars and something, we don't agree on something, well, you see, the current or modern, current ukrainian government, it is critically dependent on public opinion, they are guided by public sentiment, and if in society, in ukrainian society above all, well, some everything - still... the confidence in an immediate victory is a little undermined, and everyone understands that the war is dragging on, there is fatigue and serious if dissatisfied, well , such a public demand is being formed, after all, well, let's finally end it with something, at least a political one, well, i don't know what to call a class them, but the group, at least the ruling group, i am speaking without a negative tone now, they, they are also trying to communicate with the country and give

signals to society that they are also working on it. that they also hold summits we.