that it would end someday, although internally i was ready to endure the entire unfair term that was assigned to me in the occupation court of crimea. the most important thing for us was to know that ukraine continues to fight for its own freedom, independence, and this hope, this resistance, inspired us not to succumb to any provocations. what were there, such inspiring moments, the president of ukraine volodymyr zelensky, commenting on this liberation, stated that the vatican actually helped in the exchange of prisoners, and in view of this in i have a question for our guests, and first of all, ms. oglya, for you, how actively are our western partners and international organizations joining you. well

, as for international organizations, until the 22nd year, i think, there was just such a peak of disappointment, most of the organizations not only did not get involved at all, even fulfilling their mandate, many of them simply fled then, and even took with them the equipment that could to help save people here, for example, there are armored vehicles, and there are bulletproof vests, helmets and everything else, unfortunately, this was simply a shock for us, especially when we tried to help some people there to get them out of kyiv region. it was strange in general to see that, knowing their mandate, they did not do it, so there is really a lot of distrust in international organizations, but still, for example, the red cross works on some cases, and on some civilians, for example, it is possible to get at least some a letter from the places of detention in the russian federation, but regarding the direction, regarding the exchanges and the negotiation process, usually international organizations are not involved, because their mandate does not include political actions, but they are important in the context

of documenting there, confirming that there is a problem, and so on, so anyway, we, for example, also guide relatives to contact international organizations so that they also enter in their registers, yes , in their reports and so on, because these are basically certain international documents that all other countries refer to, so it is more realistic to understand that political actions, that is , negotiations, we see that, for example, the participation of the vatican helped to return 10 civilians, well, as we were told, therefore the involvement of certain... it is important, but among these countries, especially partner countries, especially those that provide weapons to ukraine, it is clear that it is unlikely that russia will negotiate, so they can look for other countries , which, for example, do not have such direct partnership relations with ukraine, but they have good relations with the russian federation, so this path is also possible, the peace summit was also held and was held, and you and i know that there was a separate closed meeting at which. which was also attended by the ombudsman

of ukraine, dmytro lubinets, and he said that a number of countries have expressed that they offer their direct participation and their platforms for negotiations, and i hope that this is not the last release of civilians, where we were all happy to return, in particular and nariman dzhelala, who was imprisoned back in the 21st year, precisely because he took part in the crimean platform, it was started then, and we believe that the countries of the crimean platform, there are more of them... 60s they can participate in the release of our civilians, therefore, in principle, the most for us these political negotiations with the russian federation are realistic, but again, this does not exclude the fact that today russia released ten people, tomorrow it captured another 100, until the 22nd year, before a full-scale invasion of all the crimean and political prisoners, those who was imprisoned in crimea, only eight people were returned as part of exchanges, only eight, among them and... and mr.

ahtem cheygos, who was returned at that time with the participation of turkey, but these are only eight people, and now they will be played more than 200, this is only in the crimea, what we know for sure of the political affairs of crimea, so actually, unfortunately, as long as the occupied territories are occupied, we do not have any guarantee that new hostages and new prisoners will not appear, but the process is underway, and this is the first such exclusively civilian exchange, because before this, a civilian after 22 -th, if they were returned, then only as part of the exchange of prisoners of war, but these... were very isolated cases, that is, literally one, two, three people, several women were returned, but russia did not return people en masse, we have only those civilians who then simply after capture, after they were allowed in after torture, they were released and they went on their own, yes, they independently reached the pin-controlled part of ukraine, but so that it was precisely within the framework of the exchange of some official negotiations with the russian federation, then in principle this is the first such exclusively civilian yes, exclusively the return of civilians without. ..

prisoners of war, mr. artem, i actually wanted to hear your opinion, because as ms. olga correctly noted, you were returned to ukraine with the participation of istanbul, i want to ask you, as a people's deputy, how lively the discussions are with the governments, from at the inter-parliamentary level, with other countries, the issue of the return of ukrainian civilians, can you tell us something about this, a difficult question, to be honest, now eh... our partners or in which institutions, the question is not about the mandate, but the question is that they have not yet developed such a tool that would be effective for putin, because only he decides who to give and who

not, no one else is there, there are many mediators, but they, as they say, make the steps, not make decisions , why wasn't it produced? such a tool, alas, how i said at one speech that until now, until now , the interests of business, they have more weight on these scales than the main task or the main credo, which is considered when defining the state, it is democratic. how powerful it is, these are human rights, yes, it is so fundamental to recognize this path of democracy, but for some reason, for some reason, it is still so, for some reason it is very difficult to explain to partners

that a person who stands for his views, for his protests, is zaza and at the same time this state is a terrorist, the leader of this state, the main criminal, for some reason so easily signs multi-billion dollar contracts with states that say they respect human rights as fundamental rights of democracy, yes the democratic state, that's why we work as much as we don't. i would say that it is quite active at all levels, i don't think it applies to the fact that, well, for example, china, which we have, that is, there is no

state in the world that is not somehow involved in this great war , yes, because, well, it is technological, not only... and that's it directly, yes, with weapons, yes, like, as we are all used to, tanks, missiles, but they work on something, then there is a technological factor in which china is also involved, that is, i do not think that this is a question of such neutrality of the state, its influence , yes, first of all, this, our, ours is such a monotonous work and where we... very relevantly show, deeply show here the actions of russia, in relation to our citizens, and so far, well, what is there, let's say, thousands civilians, yeah,

i'm not going to talk about that 980 stat there, because i know it's a lot more, but... so far, it is difficult to say why negotiations are constantly taking place, i mean with our partners, friends of ukraine, but for some reason these issues are primarily dependent on the resolution of these issues before putin for some of his interests, she does not work, i will never forget when we met with boris johnson, yes, a great friend of ukraine, yes, you remember, but when we met, i frankly told him, i have only been there for a year, i resigned and say, i am simply begging you,

do not participate in this shameful championship world football, it is not necessary at all. to beat, because putin will use it among his cattle population, to show how influential he is, he said, how can it be done, almost for the sake of ... this china or others will understand that

such principles as justice, international rights, this is a rhetorical question, but this is the reality today, and the fact that the authorities, states, and politicians are different, and public associations. ours are very actively working on this issue, so this is, let's say, a guarantee that what we will achieve, yes, we will, and we give hope, today i met with nariman, and he also tells what i once felt, yes, that there is always hope, and that this hope gives them, well... the opportunity to hold on, it is

impatient, but to continue to feel the spirit of a fighter , yes, because this is their front, this is the front of political prisoners, in which you have to defeat the enemy there, being in their hands, actually on june 25, ukraine won the trial against russia. about the violation of human rights in the european court of human rights, i am interested to understand how important this decision is and whether it is important at all if we are talking about a country that does not count not at all with any laws, lady oglaya, what do you say? of course, it is not just important, it is an unequivocal victory in the legal field of ukraine, this is the first decision, just like the one in the first interstate case, and it was filed just for crimea, the first... what is important is that the court, the european court of of human rights, that is, it is not a ukrainian court, but an international court, it

recognized all the violations that occurred, violations of human rights, this is political persecution, this is discrimination, this is torture, illegal deprivation of liberty, imposition of citizenship and so on and so forth, everything we talked about for so many years has been recognized, recognized by the court, and what is important, it has been unanimously recognized that the russian federation is responsible for all of this, so this is the legal basis for all other actions, and now we talked about the fact that... people suffer from various sufferings and so on, it must be constantly proven, now we have something to refer to, this is the decision of the european court of human rights, which, even in the context of international practice in general, fundamentally new decisions were adopted there , which were not there before, for example, regarding illegally created courts, regarding the practice of imposed citizenship, that is , it will affect even the practice of other states, because the european court is a court that acts for all other states that are part of the council of europe, it is clear that the russian federation has left from the council of europe, we know this, but this does not mean that... the decision means nothing for the russian federation, again, this is a purely legal argument, for example, when we

are talking about the same already created international register, regarding damage, yes, which one caused by the aggression of the russian federation, for today, unfortunately, it only includes events from the 22nd year, but this decision just proves that people have been suffering from human rights violations since the 14th year, including crimea, i believe that it should be used in order to access the international register, especially of victims of human rights violations, as illegal. deprivation of liberty of political prisoners, so that people have since the 14th year, this also applies to crimea and donbass, and we have a legal justification at the level of the decision of the european court of human rights a person further, it will be taken into account by all other courts that consider russian crimes. therefore, in principle, it is very important and it is the first one that speaks so comprehensively and thoroughly about the responsibility of the russian federation for everything that is there . well, probably in a more applied context, after all, when we talk about europe. states, they pay attention to the decisions of international courts, and this is a perfect reason to

help break russian narratives, russian propaganda about how wonderful to live in the occupied territories, as if russia came to liberate everyone, just this decision clearly confirms that russia came to kill, persecute and seize other people's territories, so i think that it is not only legally important, it has informational importance, precisely to break the russian propaganda in european countries, it is on... we recently conducted monitoring and mention of crimea in many european countries, so, unfortunately, there is not so much crimea there, and very often crimea... is not mentioned at all as we i would like to, in completely different contexts, and , for example, not so long ago in the same 23rd year, famous politicians could say and afford to say, even in europe , that not everything is so clear-cut with crimea, because crimea after all, there was a russian one and so on and so on, so it is important for us to work with it every day, that is, it is a war in the information space, it continues constantly, russia has not spared turnover, russia

just as powerfully throws a lot of money, a lot of resources into that , in order to further promote everything that she considers necessary, and besides... one of the the key narrative bases of the russian federation, through which it will still try to break these international agreements, such as let's negotiate on donbas, and crimea will always be russian. if crimea is not deoccupied, not only will we not be able to protect people, we will never be able to return security to the european region, so this is actually a very principled decision that should be used to the maximum, including in the information space. mr. ehtem, m... i have a similar question to you, and i would like to ask you again to ask how, in your opinion, it is possible to force the russian federation to comply with the decision of the european court of human rights, you know, this case has been going on for almost 10 years, yes, ukraine against russia, and that case includes my case and

another, but here we are for 10 years in the majority of its... our team, here is the state, it tried, well, i will not be afraid of this word, to force first of all the implementation of this law and this right, which was developed by itself, developed by the institution itself, yes, the ecthr, because there were always some moments , where inertness was very, very indecent. and i had one too the possibility, when at such meetings, it is frankly to tell them in the eyes, because we were constantly faced with the fact that russia's influence on these institutions is quite powerful, all this began, let's say, to become more active

after the international criminal court recognized putin as a criminal. yes, i gave him permission to go to school, but then, in my opinion, these processes went faster, further, what, what does this give us, well , in addition to what our colleague already said there in the studio, and here, for example, i i will file another lawsuit, and for that... russia is responsible materially, that is, it is a principle, and, well, that it came out, i rely on these norms and laws adopted by this institution, that is, there is, that they should fulfill their own norms, that is, there is

also the property of russia in other territories , it is here and in ukraine, and in other countries. this is all of us, let's say, going through it very, very, very, very with such persistence, yes, let's say, because that influence of russia is not going anywhere, it is sometimes less, and then it grows again, and we must continue to be like that persistent and

i just want to. i want to say about the crimean one a platform, especially of the parliamentary dimension, which was already held on the territory of our european states, where we used such a very influential institution as the parliaments of european states, which directly reflect and influence directly. according to the opinion of the population of the people, yes in these states, and this platform, it is ... compared to the first one, it has changed a lot in its messages, in its decisions, in its resolutions, that is, we

will force it, no matter how much time passes , we will enforce these international norms, laws which clearly state that the state terrorist russia, such as russia, it will answer. you, as the russians themselves say, work hard. and i want to discuss the last issue with our guests, this is the issue of rehabilitation of our civilian prisoners. i would like to understand how it is happening today, and in your opinion, ms. olga, should something be changed and improved in this context? well, we definitely need to improve, because... unfortunately, unfortunately, if we talk about rehabilitation and medical services, this process is not well established today. we have more or less today the procedure for providing material assistance, which i spoke about, and reimbursement

of expenses for lawyers in the occupied territories, which are received by relatives in order to somehow get in touch with people who are in prison, is working. this is basically everything that works more or less normally. further, the law that i mentioned, which guarantees the protection of such people deprived of their liberty, also clearly contains norms about reabli'. measures on medical care there and so on, but during the 22nd and 23rd years there were no regulations at all for this, that is, the government did not pass anything so that, in fact, the norms of the law began to work, that is, people simply did not have 22-23 years because of this bureaucracy, not the provision of the appropriate regulatory framework, people simply could not even use the law, which is already is valid, these changes took place only in 2024, when it is normal to at least approve certain procedures at the government level, but now they... in principle, they must now be actually implemented, medical facilities, rehabilitation facilities and so on must be determined further, again, this can be obtained only after there is a fact, when the commissions

have established the fact, so we return to that category of people who still cannot confirm the fact of being in polonia until they confirm it, accordingly they and can't apply for rehabilitation if a prisoner of war, for the most part it's all coordinated because they're all released through the coordination headquarters, centrally, so they get all the information at once. places them in the appropriate measures and so on and so on, then there is no such thing for civilians, especially civilians who return from their journeys, about whom i spoke, the majority of them, that is, i believe that as soon as a person returned from the occupied territory, declared that he was a prisoner, or through countries, the third one returns yes through the border of ukraine here to us, there should be some kind of unified mechanism, when this information immediately reaches that there is a person and this complex of services is provided to him, and he does not walk all over the corridors. at all instances and begs for rehabilitation assistance, for the most part so far the cases with which we work, where we helped prisoners and captives who returned

to ukraine after captivity, they receive this assistance independently or at the expense of public organizations, critical is, for example, well, that , that everyone suffers from this, and i think mr. akhtem can confirm this, it's teeth, they all lose teeth, or teeth are knocked out after torture, or teeth simply fall out because of the fact that there... just terrible conditions of detention , one person who returned from illegal imprisonment, this is a crimean political prisoner, his teeth cost him at least 150 00 hryvnias, it's just a matter of asking where is the person who returned after apollonius, whose relatives were also looking for this person all this time, waiting, where are they will take that kind of money, even the 100,00 that a family can get after being released from captivity, it's not going to cover those costs, so certainly that's just one example of how difficult it really is and to... today we have this arrangement, but we have also make it really easy for people to use. today it is not yet works so that people can

receive rehabilitation, psychological and medical assistance without obstacles. ugh. well, we have such an unplowed field. mr. akhtem, i will ask you now as a people's deputy: are you aware of such problems with the rehabilitation of captured civilians and whether... you as a people's deputy and actually the committee itself are trying to somehow set up a dialogue with the government to introduce this, i'm on the ordep, but i i walk the earth, she said correctly, i support him, because here, you know, here... here, everything is decided in the majority where it is decided manually this regime, that is, again, they turn to public organizations. who

then, and not only money, find people who would help them, that's right, and i and my other colleagues do the same, and this example given by ms. olga, ms. olga, is really indicative, here today, having been fired for three years from... the first thing i saw, mind you, was teeth, because i myself lost almost all of them, and then i saw and said, first of all , i need teeth, because that's what let's say, i already

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