i just want to say that the heat will last until the end of the week, the peak of the heat is friday, saturday, sunday and the coming monday, +40, the air temperature will reach in many regions of ukraine, and i also want to say that according to preliminary forecasts, the heat will continue and next week, so once again the nearest weather in ukraine is hot, very hot, the peak air temperature is friday, saturday, sunday, monday, but of course , keep a close eye on our updated weather forecasts on the espresso channel. good evening, we are of ukraine. well, the verdict program, and vasyl zima, i continue to work with you. today

we didn't have sports news, i'll just let you know, maybe someone won't watch the european championship, i also sometimes look with one eye, there is light, you look at something, there is no light, you don't look, no, it's not important, well, but the first semi-finalist , the expected spanish national team became the first finalist of the european championship, as they say, football defeated anti-football, what is interesting in this story is that the spanish player, lamil yamal, that's my name, scored when he was only 16 years old. he is the youngest player to score a goal in the entire history of the european championships, he put a beautiful ball into the nine of magnan, the goalkeeper of the french national team in the match against the french 2:1 spain won, today the second finalist in the confrontation between the national teams of england will be decided and the netherlands, how did someone even make a study that this is the first time that two teams will play in the final, no, well, when... three teams of representatives

of the monarchy played, i will remind you that england is a monarchy, the kingdom of the netherlands is also a monarchy , spain is also a kingdom, well, only france is not a kingdom, it is the republic of france, well, but less so, the ukrainians have long been absent from the european championship, but the olympic games are starting there in a few days, and you know, in the background all this sometimes, you just watch, as if by an event in the field of thought. mainly about other things, it takes little emotion from you, who won there, who did not win, but you look at the fans in the stands, who are so sincerely concerned that the team lost or the team won, i did not care, to be honest, especially even when the national team of ukraine was relegated, well, it’s just that you understand that the most important battles are now taking place on other fields, these are unlit grounds, these are broken by ditches, burned, exhausted bodies, not bodies, but places, fields - these are, damn it once there were

populated areas, such as, say, krynyk, or robotine, or how avdiivka was almost destroyed at one time, now i was fighting turkey in the temporary ravine near turetsk, near new york, and you understand that there is the most important thing, but you know, it's the hardest thing to accept, i'm trying to live yes, with the understanding that you have to perceive everything as reality, it is like that, not to perceive it, it will not do anything good, well, at least for your own consciousness, for... for your own psyche , you have to perceive everything, adapt, disagree with something, agree with something, this again does not give anything, we perceive and understand that, let's say, russia is not just a terrorist country, it is a country in which there are actually no moral red lines, there are no, kill children, er, serve a cutlet in from kyiv at their un, slapping them, well mocking even more, it was not enough that we hit ohmadit. and we still, we will still

do that, so we have to perceive reality as it is, but it is easiest to perceive when, again, people in ukraine live in the center of europe, a large country lives under shelling, war, and somewhere a few hundred kilometers away from here, people are worried that their national team scored a ball, this is the prose of our life, well, but we are waiting for a guest to join us, yes, but now i will offer a plot for your attention, you will see, well, then listen to our conversation, then there will be oleksiy haran. therefore, future aerial scouts are trained at the operator training center chervyn loleka in lutsk. boys and girls first work on simulators, after which they hone their skills on the training ground. in the six months since the opening of training, fifty people, both military and civilian, have gone through training to operate drones, the cadets showed our correspondents. let's see. cadets

learn to fly drones, with a joystick in their hands, watch a quadcopter on monitors, this is already the fourth day of training in these four. days we passed a lot of interesting information, which is absorbed very well. air scouts are trained here, so the instructors prefer not to give their names and cover their faces. we specifically conduct training in aerial reconnaissance, that is, adjustment of artillery, adjustment of mortars and other types of weapons. aerial reconnaissance is essentially the eyes of the army. ftvs also cannot start without aerial scouts. here. there is no age limit, in general, that is, they can be from small to older people come, then older people are a little better at doing the same thing. after training on the simulator, cadets continue to hone their skills on the training ground, but only after passing the exam,

each cadet must be able to assemble the drone and bring it into combat readiness. expand the throne, everything is okay. now what can we do? start it. they work in pairs, one of them acts as a navigator. another drone operator, quite stable, doesn't take it anywhere, well , quite simple, yes, we are currently training on djini 2 drones, and this reconnaissance drone, well, it is cheaper than mavics, but the camera is the same, but it is just that it can also fly from the operator up to 7 km, but this is enough for training. now they will perform figures, after figures e-e they will search for objects, in the center the cadets receive basic knowledge, improvement of skills takes place in units, depending on the tasks. it seems to me that now is such a time and for, that is, 100% it is necessary

to learn it, and since it is the eyes, it needs 100%, because everything in the war is evolving, and now, i.e. unmanned drones. not devices, they are, well , like, this is a very cool thing and everyone should be able to use it. at the black stork center, instructors trained about 50 helicopter pilots, some of the graduates joined the ranks of the combat brigades, the third assault brigade and the azov brigade. well, good luck to all those, both military and civilian, who are learning to fly drones, and i always remember, you know, why it's important for civilians too, i'm very brief, i always remember the story, i wrote... a book about the first year war there was a story when a boy, a teenager of 15 years old at the request of the military operated a copter with his own copter, filmed the movement of enemy troops there, well , then at least someone had to do it, and it is important to be able to, we understand that in this war anything can happen, and we must be as prepared as possible. volodymyr fesenko,

we have a political scientist with us, mr. volodymyr, i congratulate you, i congratulate you, let's start with the phrase of joseph biden, the president of the united states of america, who at the opening of the summit... nato said: ukraine will win, no matter what, no illusions, or not you have to deceive yourself, ukraine wins this war, russia will lose. i would like you to say, in your opinion, on what grounds, on what grounds, well, besides the fact that this is the ukrainian army, yes, we know that it can, it is capable, it, despite the blood and pain, in many problems that exist, continues to hold the enemy, to push him somewhere, but what gives now... president biden to say these words to the ukrainians of the world, when we understand that the situation is not easy, and obviously we would expect an invitation to nato, well, but they tell us , you will win, the ukrainian army is capable of winning, with what, what should they give us so that we were able to really end this history of

the russian-ukrainian war. well, first of all, let's be realistic, and when we're talking about biden, in one of the interviews, he didn't... he already said that he already defeated putin, putin is already defeated, although in fact it is not so, so i i am a bit reserved about journalistic and political statements, even when us president joe biden speaks about it, because he speaks in the pre-election context, and it is also important that, unfortunately, the understanding of victory is slightly different between us and the us president, we we understand under complete victory, i emphasize complete victory, because there can also be a partial victory, here in fact it is also necessary to distinguish these nuances, all grades of victory, complete victory means the liberation of all occupied territories, and for biden, for example, victory

means the preservation of ukrainian statehood, ukrainian independence and most of our territory, he said this when he spoke before the us congress. these are important nuances that must also be understood, but what biden is saying now is fundamentally important for victory, not just for us to hold out, for us not to lose the war, because the end... the point between the united states, the european powers, all the western powers is that we not lose this war, but for it is not enough for us, we simply cannot lose, and even in the words of victory, that ukraine will win, these are signals that should inspire us to continue resistance, to continue to fight, but i would emphasize at the same time that these signals should be sent by biden not only to us, at us we have no other option but to fight against russian influxes, we simply have no choice, we have to

fight, this is a question of our survival, of our future, but the signals of biden's victory must also be sent to the middle of america, to american society, to various groups of american politicians, because our victory, after all this is their victory, and this victory should not only be in words, and in order to... to ensure this victory, the united states must strengthen, not just maintain support in ukraine, but strengthen support for ukraine, so that we have an advantage over the enemy our victory can be real when we will have a technical, technological, resource advantage over the enemy, and for this we need the support of our allies and, first of all, the usa. you know, if you take, as they say, starting positions. and in this task, the fact that the enemy wanted to capture kyiv in three days, to establish a puppet

government, here we remember even whose surnames were called by name, for the position of the so-called gauleiter of ukraine, we also remember the state traitor medvedchuk and maraev appeared there, there were many muraevs, there were many people, so of course we can say that what the enemy did not manage to achieve his goals and make ukraine a puppet completely under the control of russia, this is already a victory, on the one hand, but we understand that this is not the... victory that today cost tens of thousands of lives, if not hundreds , ukrainian society, but you know, i would still like you, as a person who has been involved in politics for a long time, as a political scientist, to comment on those moments that were voiced immediately after the enemy missile attack on okhmadite, and this has already been proven and security service, and the un admits that it is russian the missile was not shot down here, it was not an anti-aircraft missile, a russian missile flew in and hit with high precision, according to okhmadite, so tell me... deputy from the servant of the people, artem dmytruk, writes that do we need an end to the war, this was announced yesterday

, such pro-russian messages, unequivocally, i will not read everything he wrote, but he says that the very end of the war will be a victory, and again here it is worth understanding whether this is the statement of a deputy who came to the verkhovna rada with the servants of the people, or can it be interpreted as something that it's just that he was given the opportunity to do so to voice it, let him say this is society, and we will see, well, individual people can think like that, i am not saying that it is president zelenskyy who thinks like that or andrakav, but there are some people who think like that, say, and let him will announce, and we will look at the reaction of the society, well, the reaction of the society is how, the very end of the war will be the victory, here is how to translate it for the people who, well, maybe in time they will elect a new president, a new parliament, what, what is meant, and why it is thrown into society now, which well significantly traumatized, because the killing of children is one of the biggest traumas for society in fact, and these professional cadebists, professional... killers from russia, they clearly understand what injuries they want to inflict on ukrainian society and what they want to

incline it to? well, in fact, the attack was not only on ahmadis, i will remind you that even more people died in other, even private buildings in the clinic are private, and yes , even more people died in one of the entrances of a residential building, and in total more than 30 civilians of kyiv died during a massive missile attack kyiv, and... and even more so in ukraine, in fact, it was an act of intimidation, the reaction of people is different, i think that for the majority of ukrainians, well, i risk it, i do not have on hand, let's say, any data there, sociological polls, they are being conducted with a certain delay, i think there will also be a reaction, a negative reaction, a reaction of pain, but not despair, a reaction of resistance to hatred towards... those who made this attack, but society is different, in society there are also people who are ready for

peace at any price. i do not know the opinion of this deputy there, in the servants of the people, you know, this when they were elected, there, as a mold of society, there were the majority of people with patriotic views, supporters of the european integration of ukraine, people with liberal views, but there were some... lonely supporters, for example, there was such a character who was a fan of mr. lukashenko , he was expelled from the faction even now, he remains in the parliament, well, because you can’t exclude... you can’t just do it like that, there were people who, well, let’s say this, were supporters of reconciliation with russia, too, there weren’t very many of them, but there were such people, there were people connected with the moscow patriarchate, there were also, different people were in this faction and remain, and when, you know, one of them speaks, you know, you can simply have directly

opposite, absolutely opposite, let's say , positions, someone wants complete victory, but criticizes our military, there is ms. maryana bezukal, for example, yes, there is tyshchenko, who was also expelled from the faction, from the party a long time ago, for his scandals, yes, none of them ask for permission, they express their position, yes, and this is a reflection of the mood in society, for sure yes, as well as the position of mr. dmytrouk, i think that if zelensky were shown the statements of this gentleman, i think that... he would hardly agree with them, because we know his public position, but he reflects some of the thoughts in societies that are tired of war. the only thing i will note is that, well, from the point of view, i have already noted here, as a political scientist, purely professionally, there cannot be peace on any

terms, on russian terms, capitulation to russia, peace on russian terms, does not mean peace . this means that after a while time, putin will want to fully fulfill his goals and objectives, which he set at the beginning of the invasion of ukraine, he wants to completely conquer ukraine, so to think that we will agree to russian conditions and there will be peace, well , unfortunately, this is not the case, and mr. dmytruk, i think, simply did not become such a real professional politician who can professionally. situation, he simply expresses his fatigue from the war, perhaps the mood of a part of society, but according to ukrainian sociologists, it is a smaller part of society, there is no more than 15%, according to

according to poll data, so i am calm about such opinions, there are different people in this faction, and if they express such a position, it is necessary to react to it, to explain that dear friend, you are wrong and... it is your opinion, first, it does not correspond to the position of the leader of your party, the president of the country, yes, and you choose, either you support the president, or you want to express your own opinion, which does not correspond to his position, because this is political logic, yes, these are other people who are outside parliament, who do not belong to political forces, can express their own opinion, he has to choose, especially since he is elected on a list or belongs to the... party of the servant of the people, so i am calm but critical about this, because there can be no unilateral peace, but the peace that is offered to us putin, he is unacceptable to us, because it means capitulation, we have to force putin, and even just before the end of hostilities, we have

to force putin, because he does not want the freezing of the conflict, he wants the surrender of ukraine to russia. and this is definitely unacceptable for er of the state leadership of ukraine and for the absolute majority of ukrainians. but i know that in russia they like the word "counterproductive". and indeed, if we do everything to make this war counterproductive for putin, then he will think: "well, as in my time, i always remind this story, ivan the terrible ended the livonian wars because he understood what to overcome he will not be able to defeat stefan batory, batory's troops were already near pskov, and actually they began negotiations with the mediation of the vatican, which ended this war, because as...". as they say, its continuation was counterproductive for the moscow kingdom at that time, they could not achieve their goals, well, there was another story, but at that time they could not, you said very well about yes, one trailer is possible, one trailer, i would use a different term, we need both us and our allies, our international partners to increase the price of war for russia, and on the battlefield with strikes

on russian territory, the price of war with sanctions against russia, that is if putin feels the high price of war for himself and for russia, then he will be forced to go to some real negotiations and take into account, as he likes to say, political realities, yes, that's exactly what needs to be done, to increase the price of war for russia. you said, very correctly, that it is obvious, in your opinion, that mr. dmytruk may never have become a politician, and i remember how a french journalist of channel 1 did on the eve of the invasion. in my opinion, and a film about france's presidency in the european union, but the war began and the film was called the president, somehow there is europe and war, something there. it was, but it was very interesting that when guy lagache, oh this journalist, was sitting in a car with emmanuel macron, he asked him something, what do you think about this, emmanuel macron, like a real politician, said, you

will never know what i really think about this, it is important , what i say, but this is politics, but macron, who said this phrase then, he said that germany and the united states of america are countries that now specifically do not want to see ukraine in nato, i don't want to here again still treason to dispel, but i would like you to comment, because it happened will be announced and today also by jens stoltenberg, that the problem of ukraine's accession to nato is also the position of individual countries, why, i would like only a nuclear threat, but why? well, in fact, the answer is obvious, and here is an important remark, an important clarification, it is not about a ban or a critical position regarding ukraine's accession to nato in general, no, neither the usa, nor germany, not even a speech. against ukraine's accession to nato, they are now against extending an invitation to ukraine to join nato at the moment in the conditions of the current war.

that's what their position is. and what is this, and what is this going to provoke some kind of escalation, some other b, look, logic, what logic, the logic is simple enough, and it is known, it is not new, it was last year, it was also in 2022 . but a special one, let's say, contrasting, even to some extent conflicting, manifested itself the day before during the vyshniv nato summit. now the situation is calmer, by the way, and the ukrainian leadership clearly understands that at the moment, due to the position of biden and germany, well, in fact, there is also some other countries with more, shall we say, non -ukrainian, non-pro-ukrainian positions, there is the same hungary, for example, yes, so... for us, by the way, there will be a problem at the finish line, not now, but when the time comes before our real accession to nato, but today the logic is as follows: if we

invite ukraine to nato, let it not be directly mediated, but nato takes responsibility for the war, not just for supporting ukraine against russia, but for participating in the war against russia, when were taken to nato. finland and sweden were given to them earlier guarantees even before joining nato. if such preliminary guarantees are given now, it will mean nato's indirect participation in the war. but today the usa and nato in general have two attitudes towards the war between russia and ukraine. the first installation is to help ukraine so that we do not lose this war. that's how we started our conversation. words that biden stands for the victory of ukraine, and this is already progress, great progress from the point of view of biden's public rhetoric and his public

position, but the real attitude is this: to help so that we do not lose this war, feel the difference, the second setup, to help us in such a way as to avoid a direct military confrontation between nato and russia, because if... there is no war between nato and russia. most likely, it will not be a conventional war, not an ordinary war, with ordinary means and resources, a war that will quickly turn into a nuclear war, and a nuclear war is a great risk of self-destruction of humanity. this is the logic, and it determines the position of both the usa and germany. another thing, the positive news is that i hope that there will be relevant positive decisions at this summit. already is information from informed sources, i refer to serhiy sydorenko, the editor of ukrainian pravda, a person who is both very

competent and very informed, he is currently on the sidelines of this summit, he says that the final documents may contain a thesis about the irreversibility of ukraine's accession to nato. iza, well, supposedly one word. we do not know how it will be formulated, formulated finally, but nevertheless, if... it will be, then this is a signal for us, a signal of encouragement that you will be in nato, yes, the door in front of you is not closed . , yes, they, shall we say, half-open, and if some document on security, cooperation between nato and ukraine will be signed, what is expected, i do not know, it will be an agreement, like with the european union, or something else, yes, then it will be, you know, as certain betrothed between ukraine and nato, the legal registration of the marriage will be after the war. and now it is a confirmation that we will be in nato, and this is already a signal not only for us, a positive signal, but it is also a signal for putin that the topic of ukrainian membership in nato is not

a subject of negotiations, no... is not a subject of negotiations about the end of the war, this is also very much it is important because one of the main goals of putin, everyone is talking about the territories, they are saying that putin wants a frozen war, he does not want a frozen war, he wants ukraine to abandon nato, he wants us to reduce our armed forces as much as possible, our weapons, these are his main goals, and the territories, let's say, in second place, this is also definitely putin's program, but... not in first place, he will not give us anything, this must also be understood, all these plans of kolokoltsev are a fake, completely untrue, they will do us no good and to give, all the more to give, yes, and he will demand to recognize them as russian, which is also unacceptable for us, but in the first place is the rejection of nato and the reduction of the army, and that is why this is a formal fixation of the fact that we,

or rather, that our movement in nato is a disaster. this is already important, in addition, specific decisions should be considered at this summit, i would say about actual movement towards nato, actual integration into nato and actual assistance from nato, which was not the case before, but was only from individual nato countries. it is about the creation of a special military aid fund for ukraine, it is said that the logistics of the supply of weapons and ammunition will be transferred under the operational control of nato. well, it's connected here. with trump to a certain extent, but nevertheless, and what is important, there is already a decision on the program of operational interoperability of the armed forces of ukraine and our security structures with the relevant structures of nato. this is very, very important from the point of view of the actual integration of ukraine into nato. i believe that today this emphasis on actual integration is more important than simply, let's say, formalizing our legal relations. fifth

article about mutual. defense about collective defense is important for us, but it is important after the war in order to prevent a new russian attack on ukraine, and i am a supporter of exactly this logic. we have literally two minutes, but i will still ask your opinion, because it was voiced on the air today by other guests, and whether it is really very important for ukraine to hold out and inflict the maximum and most painful blows on the russian army, the russians, by the way, in the same the summer troops are also wasting time, they... are no longer making meat assaults, they are using them summer troops in order to achieve at least what they want to achieve, to hold out, at least until the us presidential election, because as informed people, respected experts say, that putin still wants to talk to the us president and it is important to understand who it will become after the november elections, is it true or not, if i can take a minute and a half, but i'm interested to hear, i'm short, yes, first of all, i

agree with the fact that now... it's really been six months, well even there it's real less, there are actually only a few months left to the us presidential elections, but the new president, if it is the new us president, he will only take office in january next year, it is very important for us to demonstrate that we have stopped the enemy, and if we achieve certain tactical successes, it will also be very well, that's the first thing, secondly, if there is a very high high probability of trump... trump can force us to negotiate with russia. another thing is that there is information and advice from his advisers: if putin does not agree to a simple ceasefire and insists on some ultimatums, then the us should strengthen its support for ukraine. and that is why we now have to work, in particular with trump's team, in order to maintain the aid to ukraine from the us, and at the same time,

so that this aid... well, under certain conditions , even increased, so yes, putin is waiting for trump, but at the same time, i think there are no big illusions that it is trump who will play in favor of russia there, that there will be peace on russian terms, so far there is no information that trump wants peace on russian terms, it would look like defeat of the united states, and today president zelensky is right emphasized the fact that, in fact, for putin, any us president is evil, yes, and he can tactically choose between them to support someone there, but there was already a situation when russia supported trump, and it ended with the fact that relations between the usa and russia worsened precisely during the presidency of zhirinovsky, who had already gone to a concert at kubzon, olivier was handing out champagne beers in his mind, then tomahawks launched by russian ships destroyed russian air defense complexes.

and planes at airfields in syria was like this.