see you from july 20, good evening, we are from ukraine, well, we continue, and here i am, this is the verdict program, i remind you that my name is vasir zima, at 20:30 we are waiting for the live broadcast of the meeting of the president of the united states of america joseph. baidina with the president of ukraine volodymyr zelenskyi. you will see, hear, there will be a ukrainian translation. i want to start with good news, kyril sazonov, in his past life a political scientist whom we repeatedly included and invited to the studio, now he is a soldier of the armed forces of ukraine, fighting in donbas and posts a photo on facebook on his page that there are several fires in the sacks, also burning in the area of ​​the airfield. bek, it is

a military airfield near sevastopol, well, the satellite also shows a fire near the airfield in novofedorivka, it is also in crimea, as far as i understand, it is somewhere near yevpatoria in my opinion, but i could be wrong, well, in any case, if there is something there somewhere hello, thank god, russians have no place on our land, well, we are starting the program of verdicts and we will talk with mykola malomuzho, general of the army of ukraine, sir mykola, i congratulate you, i congratulate you, glory to ukraine, glory to the heroes, you know. where do i want to start, today we have the name of our broadcast, my colleagues wrote as follows: after the attack on okhmadite, the russian pilot contacted the main intelligence agency, did he leak secret data, to be honest, i don’t know anything about it, i i'm looking, reading, looking, i don't know, maybe there is some information, in your opinion, could this have happened and whether this is really the publication of photos, videos, contacts of him, his wife, one of those who was behind the wheel the plane and the mig, which flew into the carrier

of the dagger missile, could somehow make him come into contact, because we know, yes, because we know the story when one russian pilot ran fast and then did not finish, something happened to him there in this, well, some bad story happened with him in life, he was shot, here the question is different, if there really was such a story and he made contact, then should it be voiced, make this information public, please. well, there really is such information, there is even clearly a personnel that is in the strategic aviation, what positions they hold, surnames, family members, respectively, and the version is that it was a pilot who really saw the victims, who really pushed him internally to such a step, who was looking for contacts and in order to release information that it is possible to show who carries out the blows and it is clear.

it is so simple that in this way the information that the pilot gave, and there, for example, there are about 150, 160 stormtroopers in total, they are easily calculated, so in this situation, most likely, it is only a cover operation, the material obtained is real, obtained through an agent or by technical means, and this penetration is precisely into technical secrets, but in our country it can be a little bit... or maybe

it slows down the communication a little bit, we understand that now there is light somewhere, somewhere there is no light, somewhere the internet is good, someone is not good somewhere, so now we will try to contact mr. mykola malozhy once more, you know, when they say all russians are scum, i can agree with that, is it a moral such a... moral story that a person saw why he hello, i don't know what flight tasks the pilots who sit at the helm get could, and do they know that after aiming at such and such a square, well, there they are given their own squares, they draw a map and they know that they are aiming there, do they know something ohmadid or not, i don’t know, maybe a person i found out and thought that children and people died there, but in any case... mr. mykola returned, in any

case, what do you think, this is a person who even gets in touch, this person is already a suicide bomber , and is it possible here and... this may also have an impact on other pilots who in our future, sitting at the wheel, will think where a rocket will fly and will there be revenge for that later, because again the story of the death of one of the russian pilots, we remember it, it took place, well, first of all, i say this as a version, because i emphasize once again that intelligence is always planning and covering up just those fools, not only the agencies, but those who took the initiative and released information to protect them, so that they...suffer, that is why russia will now carry out massive counter-liberation measures, identify possible pilots or other specialists of this part, who passed information in order to identify him, detain him, arrest him, and possibly kill him, because often, as they count, they call them

traitors, they destroy them, we remember even prigozhin, who was a friend of putin, but also the pilots who flew exactly one helicopter, we remember, and even moved to europe and there... they were found by the special services of russia, that is, they do not forgive anything, so i believe that our intelligence did not give out specific information about the pilot who transferred the materials, that is, this rather, i emphasize once again that operation that covers sources to what method we obtained, whether technical or intelligence, and it is clear that somewhere may direct the trail of russian counter-intelligence in another direction, but if we say, this option is not excluded that this is indeed an initiator who deeply... there are many of them among the russians, who see what they are doing, and at some stage, when the victims are particularly large, and if the pilot sees such an ahmadite, then it is clear that someone must have an extraordinary urge to find out who is doing it, to make it public, for that in

the future russia should beware, and that more, it exposes the version that putin is trying to promote, that it is like some other format. uh, it seems that our anti-aircraft missile was directed at the missile and it hit, this is an absurd version, although everything is one hundred percent proven by ground expert positions and investigative actions, and uh, the kyiv institute of forensic expertise consistently established that it was a russian missile, starting from the moment of its launch launch from russia, movement on the territory of ukraine and flight directly near akhmatito, which was recorded, well, specifically those parts that were discovered, but... in this once again, the pilot's testimony, it seems, shows that putin is in fact all this, today he is bluffing, at the un, we were oriented, that he again showed this format, which, well , does not correspond to reality, here the russian himself

is giving out information, specifically naming persons , pilots, commanders who carry it out, who specifically strikes, but it is one hundred percent, it is the 95th, the 160th, the flight crew, and i understand, they rise every time. are carriers of ballistic cruise missiles, this is an additional plus in the disclosure format, in the format so to speak the influence of the raiders, that they commit crimes and acts of terrorism against even children, and this should have a very powerful psychological effect, i think that this is a big operation that will really have an effect both evidential and demonstrative, if these people are found, and on the other hand psychologically on the russian pilots themselves, well, i think what affects the russian pilots the most is... not what they saw, what they did, but the fact that photos and videos of their families are made public, and that is the fear for their lives and the life of their families probably plays a key role here, i think so it seems, but again, if it is possible to carry out this operation and achieve a certain

result and minimize such strikes, it will be very good, we are now, you can see right now on the video screen the meeting of the president of ukraine volodymyr zelenskyi, the president of the united states of america joseph biden, this... the meeting has already taken place, we have the video, well, my colleagues will tell me if we will have a briefing a little later, the press briefing, we are waiting for the press briefing of both presidents and we will hear what they tell us, i am very in short, i just opened the tape and read very interesting and important information, in fact, it should inspire people, you know, when someone takes certain steps from our western partners, such decisive cardinal steps, they definitely have someone to force someone to... shame, that you don't do that, to inspire someone to do the same, the prime minister of the kingdom of denmark, mette frederiksen, said in an interview with the voice of america that denmark should hand over all air defense systems to ukraine, as it

already did with artillery, goal frederiksyn said that ukraine knows better what to do with air defense systems than, say, denmark, please tell me... this is a step of our partners and friends, by the way, denmark is a country that is very supportive and helps a lot , in particular mykolaiv region, mykolaiv, i just know, i have an acquaintance who works in this project, and this... is also a big plus, and this should inspire others, and maybe even shame certain countries that, let's say, still think to give us some type of missiles or not to give us these missiles, but someone is doing it he says such steps, or maybe you would do that, well, for some reason, denmark, which, by the way, has disputes with russia in the arctic ocean, over the shelves there, we understand this very well, this is an ancient story, well, for some reason, it is not afraid to give and artillery, and air defense, and is not afraid of russia and possible conflicts with russia. although , again, the disputes over the gas-bearing shelves in the arctic ocean continue, and

it is also no secret that there is its own, its own history, please, well, a number of country leaders are clearly starting from the concept that russia is a threat not only to ukraine, but europe to the nato countries, and therefore the most effective way to neutralize it, so that it is defeated, is to provide assistance to ukraine, not to keep everything in reserves, we need to defend ourselves, poland says so, america says so, yes.. germany, france, spain, and italy also say, that is, we need to save, we start from the concept, here the question is decided about who will defeat the aggressor, and there will be a concrete result on the field, so the transfer and correctly denmark shows an example, i i'll say it straight, because some doubt to transfer or not to transfer, and denmark says, we are not directly carrying out combat tasks, ukraine does, today we can transfer everything we have, and then accordingly, as part of nato, we will defend ourselves if... russia dares to attack in the last resort , although this will not happen, so this is both an example and a shame, but also

a number of countries will be encouraged to transfer, when small denmark transfers everything, and big germany refrains, for example, from taurus or other systems that can powerfully change the situation in certain directions and especially suppress those points that launch missiles, which accordingly raise planes with different cabs, for example, or with ballistic missiles that attack... our cities and villages, that is, i think that this will also be an incentive for concrete actions, because the main strategy we today we are saying, let's give us those weapons that will really help us defeat the enemy, not just deter and destroy reserves, we are already doing it, but at the limit, let's hand over at least one third of the armed equipment to the fifth, sixth generation, and we are on during in a short period we will defeat russia, and then the perspective will be global. security for both europe and the usa, because then russia will not be able to rise, and in this way it will really

build up resources for a long time, form a protracted war, destabilize the situation in europe, provoke, carry out sabotage in jewish countries, which it is doing today, only in this way , having generated forces, transferring the latest weapons, equipment in sufficient quantity, not units, hundreds, but in some positions thousands, and ammunition several million, this is already, so to speak, real format, denmark is moving forward, i want to put a question to you now as the former head of the foreign intelligence service of ukraine. here is this unexpected information for many that f-16s will be in ukraine by the end of july. doesn't this mean that they are already possible in ukraine? i understand that no information will be disclosed. we know that the enemy sought out and killed in vasylkovo, also in myrhorod, and killed others. well, maybe the enemy doesn't know. where all of our small military airfields are located, where and which ones forests, which regions, there are many of them in ukraine,

fortunately, not everyone knows, but he searches in frankiv oblast, and again in poltava oblast, it’s a little secret here, and in sumy oblast, near one of the settlements, he too tried to strike and it is clear that the enemy is preparing for the appearance of the f-16, so here is this statement that at the end of july wait, i think so, i am not an intelligence officer and have never dealt with such things, say ... yes, but it seems to me that there may be some kind of verbal fog here, because it is difficult to speak specifically the enemy that there is something that you want to hunt, and you are already re-equipping your planes there, and preparing planes, and everything else, under the f-16, no one will say for sure, it seems to me, when and what will arrive in ukraine, how do you comment on this statement that there will be f-16s in the summer, well, there are a number of political statements that they will indeed be there, it does not indicate a specific one. all the more, where they will move, where the airfields will be, because at the moment they have maps of old

airfields, they are constantly hit by eight areas, we see the target, they think that we have already changed lanes there, we have created precisely the engineering systems and flight coordination systems of the f-16 and will, accordingly , constantly strike there, we know this scenario, alternative elements have been worked out, there is a demonstration, maybe even mockups and the like, which will be placed there, or will be after... well, they say approximately for several weeks, a month there, but russia cannot monitor exactly these formats every day, moreover, i do not know the logistics, how it will be delivered and where it will be delivered and whether they will be completely or partially disassembled, and therefore it will be collected, where they will be hidden, so that there is no threat of missile strikes on them in their fields, so

to speak, placement, possibly in deep hangars, which will be protected of course . powerful, this is the right approach, so i will just say, the format of disinformation from our side of the enemy is working, it is agreed with the politicians that they do not give specific dates and specific directions where they will move, and most likely the enemy will not be able to achieve some specifics and neutralize their delivery or striking at the moment of their, so to speak, or already placement, the more use of battle order, and tell me, please, here we are... a little later, i understand, we will hear the speeches of president biden, president zelensky , according to the results of their meeting , we saw the video, it took place, i would like in general, if he is talking about the nato summit, well , actually the main positions were voiced these days and popo for ukraine and strengthened, biden's statement that the ukrainian army with western help, i add so from myself expanding on what he meant, apparently

biden is capable of defeating russia on the battlefield in ukraine, at least in those resources and in those ... ah, which the russian army is engaged in today on the territory of our state, that we are able to do it, but from your experience , with your assessment, what we heard about the results of the nato summit, and what really could have been discussed there, but not voiced, approximately what percentage of what was voiced and actually agreed, but what we will see a little later on the battlefield , and maybe we won't find out what it was, but we'll just see result. strategically, 90% have announced that ukraine has the prospect of nato, that it will be guaranteed to be in nato, roughly defined terms, and this is the end of the war and for 10 years, the budget is set at 40 billion, this is what is legal, here are defined, system bodies that will be to work in europe on the training

of our soldiers and on the formation of aid packages, a special representative in ukraine, that is, all these points... these are known in the legal part, in the illegal part, these are specific measures for the supply of weapons, equipment, especially high-precision, and here it is important , factor, which, how many will be delivered, for example, f-16 as a whole, because a number of countries have already committed themselves, it will no longer be 24, there are 26, but somewhere up to fifty more, these are the nearest prospects, and there are also 100 prospects and 120, on the other hand, are missile complexes of various types, not only atakamsl, stromshed, for example, scalp t, but just and possibly the latest fifth-sixth generation, which are not decipherable today, and this is already a powerful block that will destroy reserves in the deep rear and middle rear, and this will provide opportunities to replenish just the combat composition on the demarcation line, and this is the perspective of our offensive operations, this is armored equipment, which does not say how much and what, in

general they talked about, for example, the same bradleys additionally, leopards, which are additionally different... anti-drone systems, that's what will be actively used by us today systematically and on the front line and already in a number of regions, where we feel that the logistic routes of these drones are systematically running, from where they are launched, from russia, from crimea, for example, cheetahs will grow here, other systems that will be delivered today, i.e. packages of specific aid, except for those declared, such are generally not deciphered, and especially high-precision weapons for... cluster munitions, cabs, which may have already been declared , were generally not deciphered, that is , armored vehicles and a special radio-electronic system, which can to neutralize both ballistic missiles and cruise missiles, this is a powerful electronic shield, this is a sixth-generation means, this can be a very important factor, then we will also create air defense systems, it will distract from the strategic

patriot level to tactical and frontline, and of course the electronic shield. which will neutralize all possible launches, or their movement to ukraine, or to the front line, it will be a large format, so i think, as a rule, this part is 100% encrypted, and this is our prospects for victory, because the enemy will not know this and it won’t be expected, so we have an air alarm here again, well, it’s actually a good thing that the spresso tv channel is our studio and it’s in ukrit anyway, so there’s nowhere to go, specifically me and us... colleagues don’t need it now, but if you are not in shelter, please protect yourself as much as possible, now we will look at the map of air alarms, well , for now cherkasy region, kyiv region, kyiv, chernihiv region, sumy region, so we have communication, as far as i understand, and i also know what i wanted to hear from you, mr. mykola, because for myself i cannot

reduce it to a heap, well, i am trying, in principle , some guesses, but if putin is taking so long, here is this move on the eve of the summit, in fact , on the eve of the start of the summit, to make this bloody blow to hmadita and we perfectly understand that if the rocket sweated a little, a little different, there are several dozen. victims among children, first of all, who were treated there, would have been much more, it would have been a much bloodier story, although it is already bloody, because it is an attack on the children's center, people threw it, but they are sending this orban, for what he, by the way , hungary may lose the chairmanship of the european union and its seat, well, as they actually do not perceive his handshake with putin and all these things, they talk about the istanbul agreements, to which putin is ready to return. orbán goes to siedenpenny in china, and then in the background of everything this, that we supposedly want to come to an agreement somehow, well, in principle, we are not against it, this terrible crime is being made a terrorist in

the eyes of the whole world, this is illogical russia, are there people in russia who, well, this is what i heard, too there is, there is a business, at least some, that says, well, let's at least somehow, at least something , somewhere, somehow, there will still be some kind of negotiations, because it's so difficult for us because of these sanctions, and there is inadequacy. a person who does not need anything at all, and who still wants people to come to her on their knees and say, king, come on give us what you want, or give it on your terms, explain this logic, because i understand this logic of modern russia, which i may no longer understand, i don't know when they went there, maybe they are already completely different, even than they were before invasion, maybe you can explain this logic to me, what they were trying to achieve, first talking about some kind of conditional negotiations, conditional, again, and then it will appear that they will burn all bridges and say no, we will... this is how we act, or you get scared, despair, give up and say, don't kill people, as said, by the way, many these bloggers, all kinds of activists, and by the way, among the ukrainian people's deputies, that

the end of the war is a victory, - said one deputy, let's do it anyway, because you see what's happening, explain to me, please , well, first of all, putin strategically planned to seize ukraine very quickly, and he miscalculated accordingly, we know this one hundred percent, not just from the conclusions, but he had clear... plans that ukraine would quickly surrender and the people of ukraine would support putin, his aggression , well these are absurd things, but he is so clearly convinced intelligence, he was clearly told about it, it did not happen, he is trying other ways , the ways of large-scale offensive operations, the way of striking the civilian population, the way of neutralizing the possible energy supply so that people suffer, that there are huge casualties, and now the way of terror to force the people and... to surrender, that is, he realized that the spirit of the people of ukraine cannot be defeated, and that is why i think, but he is, you know, a terrorist, he thinks that i will defeat them anyway, i will sweep everything away, that is why

he has the first component - it's power punches, it huge sacrifices, i think that people will be afraid and demand from the leadership of ukraine, and then, accordingly, working in parallel with europe, such as orban, china, turkey, brazil, and they will, on their part, incline us to peace, but on the terms of russia with... bounded territories with the constant threat of new terrorist attacks, so today the main strategy is to finish by force, and that is why he told orban, and orban announced before that, that if ukraine and our partners do not agree to the peace and conditions proposed by putin, practically he said, well peace initiatives with the occupied territories, it will be even worse, putin told him, and literally a day later he... launched rockets at ahmadyt, at the sex house, at the residential quarters of kyiv and other cities of ukraine. this is specifically putin, he even informed orban, and orban

voiced it. otherwise, yes, these were general phrases, but they turned out to be a concrete action, days literally passed and there were already concrete systemic victims. therefore, there is nothing new here. putin is trying to blackmail on the one hand with this force, the victim is absurd, even killing, masses. by hitting children, but on the other hand, against this background, let's negotiate, i'm ready to stop the war, but when you give up nato, when you withdraw from a number of areas, then people and children will no longer be killed, this is cynicism of the highest level , and it is in putin's blood, he has no way out, he is cornered and sees only one way out, not to retreat and, in accordance with the norms of international law, to complete the territory, but to strive, to strive on the battlefield and, accordingly, strike at everything. regions of ukraine, bringing the people of ukraine great victims, this is its essence, therefore at the moment it is extremely important that we join forces together with our partners, a new strategy that... enhanced by

the latest weapons, equipment, and ammunition allowed us to launch powerful counterattacks and conduct an operation to liberate ukraine, fully , and not partially, as putin proposes, and the second component, indeed, to incline nato countries, but other countries to the scenario of a new global security, where the war should be stopped and our position supported, according to the principle of no right, not putin's position, but putin's china and turkey can be defeated and the position will change. and even brazil, india, when we win on the battlefield, then they will say, yes, we support the principle of international law, and the country, ukraine really defends its interests and is already winning on the battlefield, we are also for everything, and besides over time , they will each defend their interests, act as mediators, china will try to take leadership in the whole world, it has such a mission that i am in charge of the process, there is supposedly no conflict there clearly defined that there is aggression, that

all are violated. norms, even what china declares, china constantly shouts that we are for sovereignty, for international law, aiming at taiwan, and ukraine is what, this is not a real concrete aggressive act and a large-scale war to seize territories, we need to figure this out , what and what, well, i said, it is possible to move all countries to systemic support of ukraine only then, when we will win, if russia will propose its scenario. then they will play with russia and the west, who who will support, in what way to give preference to russia, or somewhere to go to some partial peace agreements, but not to support wholeheartedly, the idea of ​​liberating ukraine, as stipulated by the international norm, a single formula, no other formula has been invented, everyone signed the un charter and all international conventions and european conventions, which stipulate that aggression must be punished, and the aggressor

must leave the territory. thank you, mr. mykola, but china, just in order to dominate the world, to dictate its language, must first develop software facilities that are used all over the world, so that your language is used all over the world, technologies that would be used all over the world, well, so that in principle people want to live like in china, and not , say, like in europe or the usa, well, and to buy things, luxury goods, everything else, too, for some reason the chinese rich buy not chinese, but european, american, and you can dream a lot. that's right, it's mykola malomush, he was a general of the army of ukraine, former head of the foreign intelligence service, now i want us to watch such a slide show that we prepared in the kherson region, we talked about it today, the enemy struck kherson, a fire broke out, and the rescuers came to overcome the consequences of this strike, but the enemy struck again with drones precisely on e car e... firefighters,

employees of the state emergency service , a car suffered, but fortunately the crew was able to survive in this story, well, this is once again proof that the enemy continues its shelling, and of course, somehow in such a dry remnant we understand that the enemy is now again how many 2.5 years of this full-scale war and it has been more than 10 years, actually 11 years of war with russia. against ukraine, once again the enemy wants to break us, right now, as they say, he is doing it, taking us under siege, well, but there is such a good phrase, when you take a step to get away from fate, you are coming to it, if russia's destiny is to fall apart, after all, it took a step to escape from this fate by attacking ukraine on a full scale, perhaps this was the step that

will lead to its collapse, because history ... is always wiser than even such like putin and his entire fsb. so, and now we will talk about the economy, more. ivan us, candidate of economic sciences, is in touch with us. mr. ivan, i congratulate you. i congratulate you, mr. vasyl, and i congratulate all viewers of the tv channel. let's start with the fact that, exactly, obviously, well, actually, we talked about russia with mr. malomuzhy. let's start with... russia, but with a direct link to ukraine about sanctions, now at the nato summit they were talking about what weapons to give ukraine, that sanctions still affect russia, they will weaken it, at the same time time russia receives help from other countries, from someone it receives shells, most of which burst while still in the barrels, i am north korean, but i do not underestimate.