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les foi is! yes, this is the verdict program, we continue, i remind you that my name is vasyl zimai, during the course for the next hour i am with you, i am reading in... in

our chat on youtube, by the way, like, share, comment on the video, it is very important for the promotion of ukrainian content on the internet, the more comments, the more likes, the more views , the more views, the more ukrainian news hits the top, this is important, asks ms. tetyana, tetyana sokol, north koreans, north koreans, underground passages are going to donbas, why is everyone keeping silent about these five brigades of koreans, well, we are talking about the first not about five. i read this information, it’s called juche in the steppes of ukraine, well, they have such juche training, so they write about the project, putin and kemchenin signed a partnership project on june 19, and this is a strategic partnership for them, moscow pays pyongyang 115 million dollars a year, which is interesting dollars for some reason, no no no not their money, no no no rubles, for sure.

the ride receives 800 greens per month, 30 for hands, 70 for the budget, oh, but four expeditionary brigades are supposed to arrive there, well, actually, and uh, and there should have been, but there should have been four engineering brigades regiments, well, actually, that's a question, you know, we can talk about it here, but we actually, i think that's a matter that the main intelligence agency should deal with, and when it has the relevant information, it will be us with it if necessary share, military intelligence. will definitely know better than we will make any guesses here. valery pekar, a teacher at the kyiv business school, is in touch with us. mr. valery, i congratulate you. good evening. well, people ask, i understand that this is not the topic of our conversation today, but to me your opinion is interesting, whether we should expect any increase in aid, primarily human resources, from north korea, russia, which is already attracting residents of the african continent there. and it sends illegal migrants

to the front, and it does a lot of other things there, and there are not so many people in north korea, in fact there are 25 million people, it’s not china, but if you thought about it, can you expect it here some kind of big help or such a blow in the side from north korea to ukrainian on the ukrainian fronts, whatever please, mr. vasyl, first of all, i completely agree with you... that this is a matter that should be handled by military intelligence. secondly, if i understand the situation in north korea, if a north korean is taken there outside the borders of his own country, the first thing he will do is run away. so if you send four brigades of koreans to dig something, then you need to send 14 more brigades, guard them, and then guard those who are guards, because, as you know, north korea, stopping outside the borders of its country, immediately tries.

dects, and not some country with an authoritarian regime, just such a country somewhere where there is a lot of food and they don't beat me on the head to knock me down, which i treat this with a certain e. justice, i am today, announcing our conversation for our viewers, said that we will try, with the direct help of mr. valery, to find the necessary reflections for our viewers, who may be thinking today, how will the war end, and how do wars end, and what to expect, maybe someone wants to have some goal, a goal and sees it, someone wants to draw he does not see this goal for himself, i read your beautiful words where... they talked about how to live in a time when there is no comprehensible perspective or understanding of time frames, already the one who spoke about two or three weeks abroad long ago, uh, and many of those who once predicted something somewhere in yalta, coffee and so on, are also silent, so there is such a vacuum of information, and

you need to understand how to act, what to do, what and how wars end, or it is possible to say, er, something applicable to the war that russia... unleashed against ukraine, which ukraine is conducting today, against the russian federation? mr. vasyl, i would start with what i used to end these posts, with the words of viktor frankl, a psychologist who got into a nazi concentration camp during the second world war and survived with the goal of writing a book about how to survive in such inhumane conditions. he said sorry, maybe not a very accurate quote, the first to die were those who believed that it would all end very quickly, and the second to die were those who lost faith that it would ever end at all will end, and the survivors were those who simply did the things that had to be done every day,

this is the proven key to survival in such conditions, proven by years and experience of millions of people, i completely agree with you that government communication ... today is insufficient, and maybe even unsuccessful, because millions of people live in the country, they want to understand something, where we are going , what awaits us ahead, what are the scenarios of the future, what do they depend on, what should each individual person in ukraine do , or what to do for each person who left, temporarily let's hope that beyond the borders of ukraine, in order to bring victory closer, there is no such communication. it is replaced by some very individual sudden, sporadic such appeals, and here i would still like to give a slightly broader border, and the broader picture is that

today we are waging a war of attrition, this is putin's strategy, putin will wage a war of attrition with ukraine, he deliberately chose this path. not because he believes that russia has more resources, he knows very well that russia's resources are just as exhaustive that russia is in a very difficult situation, if it was necessary to negotiate with north korea, insulting its main ally, china, then the situation is quite kiev, but he, knowing that he has few resources, knowing that ukraine has few resources, hopes , that we will lose allies, because our allies are democratic countries of the west and east, which support ukraine today, but the government may change, and they will not support ukraine tomorrow. slovakia can be a classic example here. slovakia

at the beginning of the great invasion was one of those countries that were undoubtedly leaders in supporting ukraine. you can. slovakian aid can be divided and rated per capita in relation to gdp, but one way or another , slovakia was clearly in the first rows of this table of aid to ukraine, and after the change of power, it changed. the same situation could have happened in the netherlands, but the filigree work of dutch politicians led to the fact that support for ukraine was preserved. and we have an election coming up in the united states of america, which will determine the fate not only of... ukraine to a large extent, but also of europe, and of course russia, china, taiwan, and many, many other countries of the world. moreover, the people who will make these elections, that is, american citizens, will mostly be guided by their own interests and their own ideas about

the internal politics of the united states of america, about which of the candidates is better for them. as we know, there is a candidacy of citizens who have already decided to vote for the democrats or for. republicans, regardless of who will be candidate, and there are many citizens who are undecided, and it is to them that the entire campaign is directed, it is them that the party headquarters of the american parties are thinking about. before the elections, and therefore this is putin's bet, that our allies will fall away from us and support will decrease, we will not be able to resist any longer, and what is the ukrainian strategy and here, i would say that a symmetrical war is being imposed on us, eh, that is, a war of attrition in which we do the same thing they do, they try to pressure us, we try to pressure them, and win less. country, a larger country can only be in an asymmetric war, it's like david and goliath. we remember this

biblical story, who doesn't remember, i advise you to read the biblical story about david and the bald eagle, when a great warrior in a helmet with a night, a spear, which was still there, went against the unarmed, er, actually the future king, uh, a small one, not very strong, but blessed, and he just pinched the whole thing. just a block, that's what an asymmetric war is, and actually ukraine is already starting to wage this asymmetric war, when it destroys the russian oil refinery, when it reaches a whole deep in the territory of russia, and of course many other things need to be done, personally i am sure that the war will end with the collapse of russia, because empires do not live long, empires in the 21st century cannot... exist, the russian empire actually lives at the expense of that it invaded ukraine, and this

supports it, in this way, because it would have ceased to exist a long time ago, and of course there are growing contradictions, which the russian media do not like to talk about, because why should we know that everything is bad for them there , but in them everything is bad there, and the question is that today the west is afraid of a russian defeat, just as it is afraid of a ukrainian defeat, hence all these conversations. our western partners about the need for negotiations, freezes and so on, but we see that putin is not ready for negotiations, he chose a strategy of war determination, although again, although he said that we are ready to return to the istanbul agreements, which were being prepared, and the russian side said that even they were initialed, so why to them, well, first he said about the four oblasts that we had to hand over , even those oblasts that were either completely deoccupied, or well, not all of them were there completely, but... at least largely deoccupied, kherson, which was deoccupied, then they said no, come on ok, and then they said that

zelensky is not legitimate, then they said that he is already legitimate, and then let's at least have the istanbul agreements, now for the time being in the future, let's have at least something else, for now, but after that there was this terrible blow according to okhmadite, and we perfectly understand that the enemy i wanted even more victims, god took away and of course people died, they were destroyed... but it could have been much worse, i just want to say why, why this shows that putin also has little time, here is a statement, i would say how they call her, yes, in principle, it is possible, but people call her press alkashe, but she is the press secretary of the russian ministry of international propaganda there, which is headed by lavrov, she says, kyiv is preparing, it is conveyed by taz, maria zakharova. kyiv is preparing to demolish the dumps of the kyiv hydroelectric power plant of the kaniv reservoir,

right now it is already being discussed on the network, it needs to be discussed, and because people will now draw up, make up and be more afraid than it is, this will become another, says zakharova, cynical provocation against russia, well, i understand that the first cynical provocation, in their opinion, it was a hoax, and it went on like that, well, in their opinion, they said, the center for countering disinformation already said that this was another... and the dog of the enemy, the operation is within the framework of the so-called operation peace, well, but if it's already like that, well really terrible things they say, then surely you are right in the sense that time is very tight in russia, and finally before the time is tight, i will say that putin has decided that taxes for the population will increase in russia, so how much do you think does he have time economically? and what else would he be capable of in order to press for peace in this operation, and where will the ukrainians get the strength, again

, to have this strength of resistance? well, first of all, i would like all our viewers to know two simple rules: the first rule: russia always lies, the second rule - russia always deceives and does not follow through, if russia says something, it means it is wrong, and in this case, by the way, it... concerns the economy, unfortunately, the information about the state of the russian economy is so contradictory and so distorted that among ukrainian economists i met very different points of view, some say that everything there has already... started to fall apart, others say that it will hold on for a long time, we do not know the truth, we know the truth that the russian economic bloc, in principle, made a good deal out of those economic the injuries it brought the first unsuccessful phase of the invasion and prepared for such a long war, but the best indicator here, which is not even an increase in taxes,

but a rapid, incredibly rapid increase in payments to those people who are mobilized to the russian army, to the army of russian aggression, they increased almost 10 times lately, which shows that there are almost no volunteers in principle, well, of course , there are only some very bad people who, realizing that they are being offered three, roughly speaking, annual salaries for the readiness to die quickly, sign such a contract, actually and... the same applies to all other russian tests, regarding readiness for negotiations, which means they are lying about certain agreements, by the way, i want to say that there are no istanbul agreements in fact, because the diplomats have one simple , but an important principle: until everything is agreed to the last letter, nothing is agreed,

any drafts may appear in the process of negotiations, in which anything can be written, and if these drafts are not in the end. became a document that is being prepared for signature, then these drafts are worthless, of course russian propaganda can use any drafts, then use them, manipulate them, photoshop them, and so on. i would like to move on to the most important thing, how we should behave in this situation. we have a situation of maximum insufficiency, we really do not know what will happen next, how strong the support will be, how far the european union will be able to develop its defense industry and again.' squirm, so much effort was put into europe to demilitarize, so that there would never be another war on the european continent, but here it is again, which means that everything must be done again to promote what will happen to the united states of america, what will be the position of that candidate, we may not even guess the name today, given the great uncertainty of who

will win or who will win in the presidential elections of the united states of america, that is , you can dry yourself. thinking about these strategic uncertainties, but i would say that after all, this is the task of political strategists and military-political strategists, and those people who do not influence it, of course, should not worry about it, because we always fall into the big one stress, when we start thinking about things that are beyond our control, do you remember the classic prayer attributed to many... religious authorities, starting with blessed augustine, lord, give me, uh, strength to change what i can, patience to accept what i cannot, and wisdom to distinguish the former from the latter. here is this wisdom, it is necessary to understand what depends on me and what does not depend on me. who will be the american president

is definitely not up to you and me, mr. vasyl, or our viewers. it depends, er, but what will happen to us depends. then this means that we can certainly do something here at home, all free forces, and who can give importance to the war. we must understand that until we win the war, nothing will be normal in the country, there will be no normal recovery, no return of those who left, no normal level of security, this means that those who can go to serve must understand sooner or later you will have to serve, which means that those who are not ready to volunteer today will one way or another volunteers, because obviously someone has to help, those who don't donate much today understand that it will be necessary to donate a lot, because without it we can't stand, that is, to somehow understand that the war is in order to make the war short, i now i will speak in paradoxes, do you remember this paradox, if you want peace, prepare for war, well, it's like

a paradox, if you want peace, on the contrary , you have to destroy the army, free everyone. officers to sell weapons, as in principle was done in ukraine for many years, but it turns out that on the contrary, if you want peace, prepare for war, he who has a powerful army, a powerful military-industrial complex, he is secured, he is protected from the scourge, he warned of war, and here too, if we want the war to be short, we must prepare for a long war, who is ready for long war, is so stable that the war ends, and it is obvious that the war with... will end because of the events that will take place in russia, our task is to bring them closer in all possible ways, and for which each specific person in ukraine is responsible. that's what's in her head of ukraine, to throw out all russian myths, all russian special information operations, not

to spread russian, russian propaganda, even if you really want to, but each specific person is responsible for this, prepare for the fact that it will be long, and then it will paradoxically be short , yes, this phrase is true, scivi spas parabelom, it is true, you want to get ready for war, but as for what you... correctly say, you are preparing for a long war, and then it can be short, this movie was him, well, it is ukrainian cinema , but the russians then joined his filming, in our country it was called infamous, and there they called it the defense of sevastopol, about the female sniper, and there was such a phrase, which is very revealing in this movie, because i do not consider this movie russian, i consider it in ukrainian, although of course then it was a specific kind of cooperation, but in any case there was a phrase that... that is, that life is like this, war is also such a life, and you know, when always , when it seems that it is difficult, there is a stove, temperature, tariffs, everything else, you

you understand very well how it is burning right now in a bulletproof vest somewhere in a trench, in the zaporozhye steppes, and i have friends, acquaintances there, i understand very well that there is always someone worse off somewhere, but this is also life, there is life, there is life, well there is people who have decided that this life of war is not for them, they... break the law and cross borders, unfortunately, people with money and without money, well, this is again, this is a choice for which a person will be responsible, but we remain in ukraine, those who are outside of ukraine are actively involved financially, humanitarianly, in whatever way they want to fight understand that this is life, well, you just need to understand that war is also such a life, and not every place comes with cabs, let 's say it's there in kharkiv or pokrovsk or what is happening now in turkey, which and so on . in cities that are no longer there, but we are all, we are all in this war, this is life, and if we accept and understand it, then surely, maybe, maybe it will be easier to overcome it, and

about that, the audience is asking now , because there is a broadcast on youtube and they ask you, mr. valery, a question that is important to us biden's victory, they write amazing, that's how this contributor on youtube describes himself as amazing, i 'll sit a little more comfortably here, we already have such a conversation... we can sit down more comfortably, biden's victory is important for us, he writes, and not the victory of putler trump's fan, these are not my words, again, because i respect both candidates, this is the choice of the american people, and what can prevent the physical state of biden's health from continuing to participate in the elections, i'm about that, well, i'll give you the opportunity to react to this is a question, it is addressed to you, and so that the audience understands what is there the connection between them and our guests, but you know, it reminds me of the moment that was at the championship. europe, when the ukrainian national team, regardless of the result of the slovakia-romania match, had to simply beat belgium, but if we just beat belgium on our own, it didn't matter, and everyone had

their own benefit, someone played a draw, in fact we were eliminated from the euro. therefore, in this situation, you know, you always have to rely on yourself, you have to score more goals, concede less and do what you can, well, if there is still some help and everything will turn out like this somewhere, how profitable is it for you, and thank god that it worked out, let's talk about that... what can we do to win, and if everything goes well on the ground floor, well, thank god, where are we on our own so bet that in what we can win ourselves? well, first of all, mr. vasyl, i would say that donald trump is definitely not a fan of putin. donald trump is a fan of only one person. donald trump is a fan of only one person, and that person's name is donald trump. he is a fan of himself and he was waiting for everyone else. secondly, what has to make ukraine. should, ukraine should have strong bipartisan support, both republicans and democrats, not to bet on any one candidate, but to have

strong bipartisan support of both leading parties of the united states of america, so that regardless of who will lead america after the election, ukraine's support will remain at a high level, for that it is necessary not only to work with the teams of potential presidents. for that you have to work with both parties, for that you have to work on the ground, not only in washington, for that you have to to work in the districts where these senators and congressmen are elected, and of course, ukrainian diplomacy will not be able to solve all such huge issues by itself, for that we need to connect all possible forces that influence america's attitude towards ukraine. it's a parliamentary democracy, it's a church democracy, you know that the united states of america is a very religious country, and our protestants are very much... involved in the negotiations uh and changing the american position, it's artists, it's entrepreneurs and so on and so on further. and i want to draw attention to the situation

in... in great britain, bipartisan support means that the conservatives have now left the government houses, the labor party triumphantly won the elections, but of course the support for ukraine has remained, but if we work like this with each of the countries that are important to us, then obviously we we will have support that will only grow, well... again, what should each of us do, each of us, first of all , stop swearing about the west, as is very fashionable in our country recently, that it is doing something wrong, doesn't help enough, no resolutely and so on and so on, we did very little in previous years to make him feel that ukraine is his, ukraine must be defended above all else, we did not look like

real europeans, like real representatives of western civilization. and this is precisely what we can do, one way or another we will have to become a european union, it is written in our constitution, we are now actually opening the implementation of the talk for the european union about membership, and the implementation of the plan of preparation for membership, that is, we all have to become greater europeans, we everyone has to get bigger euro-atlanticists, and here of course every individual can do it, our daily life creates a large number of opportunities. to behave like a european, or behave like, sorry, maybe it will offend someone, like russians, like a post-soviet person, that's who we are, how we behave in daily life, as post-soviet people or as future europeans, it depends from each person specifically, and finally, i want to say, mr. vasyl, and dear viewers, that in a situation of maximum uncertainty, when you can, when you can

of course to lose... hours of not gathering information about what will happen to us, sitting and drawing scenarios, i would rather leave it to certain analysts, civilian and military, and each specific person should pay attention to what is around him and on what is inside her, but pay attention to yourself, do something for yourself, do something for the people who are close to you, do something for people who have a harder time than you, and there are many such people, these are fighters of the armed forces of ukraine, these are internal... . in a person's room, these are people in whom relatives have died, and many, many other people in whom there are those who have it harder than you and i, do something for them, and when you do something for that, for another person, it becomes easier for you, it becomes easier for you, this is an old rule, very simple, and it always helps, it always helps, i would like more, but i mean, we

literally have three minutes there, even more. a little more, i would like your assessment, well, in general, of the opportunities and resources of the ukrainian economy, today we had the opportunity to communicate with a person who is a shareholder of a company that pays taxes in ukraine, and i said that there are hundreds of thousands of testimonies that it is difficult, i will say yes, difficult, somewhere there is a difficulty caused by someone, somewhere it is simply difficult, mobilization, these are obvious things, are happening, but again, well... the economy is the people, the economy is the people, first of all, who pay taxes, and it is in a difficult situation right now, your assessment of what should be done really, or so that we can get on the rails that we would went and reached our victory, well , at all, again, your opinion, very briefly, but is there a change of government, which is so now is being discussed, will be able to influence it in some way, improve cooperation and the business climate. in

ukraine, let's start from the end, it is not important who are the government officials, not the surname of the people in the government, it is also important in which offices decisions are made, if you gather the best government officials, but do not give them the opportunity to make the necessary decisions, but make the decisions themselves somewhere else with the participation of other people, such a government will not do anything good for ukraine, well, either if you leave some secondary things to the government, or, for example , hang some unpleasant things on the government, but... some nice to take away, that is, the question is that the government should be really dependent only on the parliament that appoints it, but the question is to implement the constitution of ukraine as it is definitely written in black, this can help, and as for ..