and putin does not accept this. he is an actor of 1989 . he was an officer then. kgb of the vndr. in germany, he had to stop this revolution. it was his great defeat, because he did not stop. and now he is again trying to destroy the positive results of these changes. and they do not concern only ukraine. and this does not only apply, as we know it, to the former territory of the soviet union. this applies to all of central and eastern europe. i would... even say that the entire

european system, because poland's accession to nato and the eu, also changed international politics, it wants to destroy it all, and we protect it all. this exhibition will be in lviv, or maybe it will also go somewhere else in europe. i have a different philosophy, we need symbolic places. we have a lot of graveyards after a lot of warriors, we have a lot of negative symbols like that. we have few democratic places, the maidan is such an important place for europeans. for me, it is very important that europeans come to lviv and see the exhibition here in the context of the city. political

elites traveling through lviv to kyiv stopped in lviv and realized that right now we are defending. there is also the idea of ​​this exhibition, a very specific matter. now young people in different european countries admire him? they say that it was a very good regime, that people lived well, that people got housing, had money for treatment and so on, but at the same time they do not mention what happened to democracy, actually in the soviet union, where communism was.

what should we do with such young people who do not fully know history, but fall under the influence of russia. russia is constantly trying with the help of its propaganda, for with the help of money who should have a lot of influence on such young people, so that they say that let that communism return, let that soviet union, let russia be everywhere. not a historian, when i talk about history, i talk about the past, where we

start today and where we are going, what is good and what is bad, what you said, what is good and what is bad, right? but we should know, as in the history of our family, our biography, what happened. in 1991, when ukraine became independent, in 1989, 35 years ago, in june , solidarity won, this is a historic moment now for reproaches in free elections.

what is close, let's be brothers and sisters, cooperation in general, but this is also very important, civic consciousness, which is like a cake with several floors, you, i'm from lviv, i'm from dansk, ukrainian. a pole, but we are also europeans, we are also responsible for the world. and what is it about now? over the years we have had a second wave of authoritarian thinking. it is very deliberately conducted, it is a lot of money. of course, this is russia, this is china, this is iran. it's also, unfortunately, trump. these are populists. elections are currently underway france, le pen, they say like this, why should you be european, why be responsible for the world, it is enough to be a pole, a ukrainian, a frenchman. the problem is nationalism, and we cannot solve anything with nationalism now. in russia, it is, of course, russian imperialism in

the role of nationalism, but selfishness is also very dangerous. that is, why do we need human rights, it's a luxury, let's build prosperity, capitalism, a prosperous society, a global power, like china for authoritarianism. and what you said is important here, those who remember authoritarianism, fascism, communism, they know it's bad. lech walesa is very interesting, the worker made a revolution, because he not only, as a worker, said, you are a communist party, as if it were a workers' party, you do not represent me, but he did not say that another workers' party should be created, he said: monopolies - this is bad, as a worker i will live well only in a democratic society. where parties will represent different people, not a monopoly, but today we return to the same thing, some say monopoly is good, nationalism is good, war is well and you will be well. and others say that democracy, only democracy, is difficult, it is

a dialogue, a compromise, and nobody likes that. times of youtube, tiktok, everyone loves the simple truth. well, what you said is a big manipulation. we are witnesses of huge... history, and 80% we teach people to live consciously today, not to be manipulated, to create communities of good people at every level, local, national, global. and this war is not only here, this war has been political for

a long time in other countries, including democratic ones. i i also partially live in germany, in berlin. a pro-putin alternative for germany. together with china, which is a very dangerous rival, actually to create authoritarianism. this authoritarianism is also, for example, anti-emancipatory against women, according to a very traditional model, right?

the first reaction is not diplomatic, where is ukraine today, because for me, ukraine is also in poland, in germany, i live in denmark and berlin, and these cities, which have become ukrainian in a good sense. therefore, politics and ukrainian culture are now not only on the territory of the country, but in germany, in poland. this is precisely participation in democracies that are very much alive, which fortunately do not function under martial law. i think that we all understand the uniqueness of the legal situation of ukraine. elections are postponed this year, but this is a huge

test of maturity for all politicians.

but i am convinced that a very modern democracy. it seems to me that now poland , after a difficult experience in poland, we had a peaceful revolution of society. people want democracy, also against putin they want a strong poland, a strong and very democratic europe. and our two countries can be such engines in general for the restoration of democracy in europe. this is a great chance for us. on

relations between poland and ukraine. at the beginning of the full-scale invasion, poland stood shoulder to shoulder with ukraine, and this was a very big help. currently, ukrainians say that they feel a certain coldness between our countries, partly, obviously, the hand of the kremlin is here, which influences the fact that... however, according to the latest sociological studies, only 17% of poles say that they would accept refugees from ukraine , and until recently there were such 37%. it looks like these relationships between people are getting worse, how would you rate them? i have

a special attitude to ukraine, because my family comes from lviv, and for us this always meant dialogue with ukrainians, understanding and unification at any cost, i personally was involved in the polish-german conflict many times.

when i look at france, i positively evaluate macron and his policy towards ukraine, but i am horrified by marie le pen, but we will see, this is an open process. therefore, it is a great miracle, a great effort of many people who understood that russia is interested in our conflicts, in our hatred-ukraińska, no to jestem bardzo krytyczny, przepraszam, że tak mózię. but the good news is that this does not apply to the elite, journalists, politicians, academics. for them, this war is a part of polish identity, but i believe that polish politics is very passive.

poland was not a member of nato, and the germans did not allow people to wait so long at that border. of course, roads and trade should be controlled, but not people, everything was done to have active contacts, tourism, cultural exchanges. this border is also through.

will be after the victory, but at the same time it can be a competitor for poland, there is always competition, only in the end competition, and this is the nature of the free market system, it strengthens both sides of different characters, there is no one who wins, because monopoly is in authoritarian society, but what is it about? not enough polish political elites, as well as journalists, speak. about the chances of the future, applying our very concrete experience, because this is not a utopia, we have passed this one process. in my opinion, we are not active enough in debunking the spread of fears, and secondly, the european elections, look, in poland the pro-european majority won, but we have more than 40%, i.e. 48% of the anti-european,

anti-european, confederacy, party, unfortunately, one piece once is pro-ukrainian, and then anti." president duda, it seems, is not in the post now, but he went from there the other day to the president of china. i am very sorry, china is most interested in this war lasting a long time. therefore , i have to tell you this as a citizen and expert, it annoys me. and also we lack priorities on both sides, for example, why that border should be a problem, why people, you and i have to wait so long, humanitarian aid has to wait so long, it's absurd, it's never happened before, i was in serbia just now , a country that sympathizes with putin, but it is much easier to go there, the european union creates

much better conditions than with ukraine, so there is a lot of chatter, unfortunately, but not enough. when we started talking about ukraine and its future in the european union, then now negotiations on ukraine's accession to the eu actually began. for poland, the path to the european union lasted 10 years.

ukraine's multiculturalism is its chance, its advantage, not its weakness. how much longer will this ukrainian path to the european union, which began back in 2013 with the association agreement, associations, and then for what? actually, it started, that's a good question, when did it start? for my generation, it was born in 1991 by accident. it began back in 1991 , at the time of the fall of the soviet union. after all, the two countries that stalin occupied the baltic states became part of the european union, therefore nato and the eu entered the former space of the soviet union. but for sure , the orange revolution is like that, it was very european, in the 14th it was

about stopping putin's actions on blocking a very specific road, so...

the union, the commission speak perfectly, and then it refers to 27 countries through each parliament , cyprus, malta, italy, hungary, poland, slovakia, and each country must have a parliamentary majority. and i don't know what it looks like, because putin. china can buy everything change everything. maybe one country will say no. let's see how it was now with the expansion of nato to the western neutral countries, sweden and finland.

without full security, full military protection. therefore, it will be something completely new,

to combine the classic issues of expansion, trade, exchange of people, along with a certain military provision of that part of ukraine, which is still fortunately free from russian troops. this process requires incredible imagination. of course, it is a small country, but every country is important, and there was also a similar conflict here, but the eu said cyprus despite the conflict, despite the borders, despite turkey, should be part of europe.

they do not know what democratic traditions ukraine has, not only in the last 30 years, there is a lot to learn, a lot to expand horizons. support of the pope, but also had great sympathy from very intelligent politicians, mazovian, heremic, wise people, writers, intellectuals, cinema, culture, so this...

will ukraine manage to carry out reforms, because they are actually our path to the european union . here, too, from the polish experience two things can be said. one is that the european union cannot wait too long with this, because poland has been fully democratic for 35 years. 35 lat w pleni demokratyczna, od 20 lat w unii, ale powiem pani szczerze.

you know, we talked before that: as a child, i survived the war in iraq, because i am half polish, half iraqi. i don't like the word war, because you can also speed up, intensify the war by talking a lot about it, but looking as detached as possible, that is, from my perspective, we have a gigantic global conflict right now, which actually is the war of those authoritarian countries against the wave of democracy. look, we have a war in ukraine, this is the crimean war, like in the 19th century, it is about the future of russia, then there were also russia and the countries of the west, but the reason for the crimean war was the question of what will happen next in the middle east, today, unfortunately , we have a war in the middle east and the participants are not hamas and israel, its participant is iran. supports hamas. iran

in general stops the dialogue of arab countries with israel, which should stabilize this region. iran entered iraq. iraq is mine the country is now under the total influence of iran. iran has won the war in syria against democratization. who was an ally in syria. we have central europe, eastern europe, we have the entire black sea gulf, turkey itself, which is a participant, but now finally stabilizing. we have russia's ally iran,

we have...