logical attack. in order to prevent this, it is necessary to have a strong alliance among our partners, for this we need to have common weapons, for this we need to have common troops and a common system of managing this process, but as we see, and we are going to this, well, not like that, even as a turtle, much slower from my point of view. in this situation , the only thing left is to defend yourself. second, implement a certain policy that would allow, say, on the one hand, to gain time, on the other hand, to protect people as much as possible, as much as possible to preserve their strength, so that all these processes that are currently ongoing in nato, in ramstein, among our allies, mature to the adoption of the necessary decision, which gives me hope in this regard, only this discussion, i cannot call it a discussion. because this is

a quarrel that broke out at a meeting of the nato council, where our closest partners talked about the fact that while washington and brussels are thinking about how to do all this, and ukrainians are dying at the front and in the rear, which means that the vast majority of those who is in nato, they understand the situation, its complexity, and at least they will do everything so that those on whom the decision depends, they will make a decision about... maximum help to ukraine, i am not talking about standing next to ukraine in defense of civilization and freedom. an extremely important agreement was signed without exaggeration between poland and ukraine, it is about the security sphere. we went at it for a long time, maybe too long, but i think it was to write her off as best she could. i say without irony, this is one, probably of the most important in this period of time.

security documents, and he also has an extremely high perspective when we talk about the next steps in the preparation of what is called nato's central european defense line. yes, i think all these things will continue in parallel. if we are talking about the importance of security cooperation with poland, what do you think we will be able to achieve, and in your opinion, if we are talking about a certain delay, there was a certain coldness. communications between warsaw and kyiv during the next six months? well, first this is a very important step, but from my point of view it, like all other steps in this plan, requires legalization from the ukrainian and polish sides. documents that are signed as interdepartmental documents, as you understand very well, depend on the political situation. here the laws and their implementation depend exactly like that, but not in such a way. measures, like interdepartmental documents,

and this worries me the most. if it is clear that both sides are striving for cooperation, they understand the extreme necessity of the need for such cooperation, but do not formalize it in an interstate an agreement, and a document that does not require ratification, it is necessary to understand the price, value of this document and its, let's say, legal, and its impact on the situation in one and the other country. that is, in fact, from the point of view of inheritance by the political regimes that will be in one and the other country, it is quite labile, this is the first, second, what is important is that the thesis, which, by the way, you and i have been constantly developing throughout, i do not i have known for many years that the bilateral relations of countries, members of nato, are one thing, and the relations of ukraine are another nato is absolutely. another matter, and one

does not interfere with the other, and the 18 treaties and agreements that have been concluded are additional proof of this, and this direction can develop to infinity, relatively speaking, petliura helped piłsudski to liberate and defend warsaw in 1921, and now poland maybe, can help ukraine to survive in a'. russian, that is, in this respect, let's say this, i gave this example only as a certain historical parallel, which, by the way , happened more than once, although the opposite also happened more than once, but in history it is necessary to look only from the benefit that it brings to us today, the second, third is very important, it is very important that in the central european region, and if we take the baltic countries, let's say poland. a certain group

of states is being created here, which are not only lobbyists of ukraine, which are firmly aware that they need nato as much as... only ukraine, because today, forgive me, but ukraine closes these states from the aggressor, and if you look , shall we look together at those obligations that the united states had and nato, on the strengthening of the eastern axis, they are being carried out, well, i won't underestimate it, as far as possible, by about half, both in terms of personnel stationed in these countries, and in terms of weapons. and in armored vehicles and so on, that is, the completion of these forces is very slow, and it must be understood that if we talk about the 30,000 that nato plans to deploy on the territory of these countries, well, for comparison , please look at what forces are used today and

are operating on the russian-ukrainian front and what is 30,000 and at what time can it be, so it is almost necessary for these countries, i emphasize this, thank god that they understand it in warsaw, they understand it in vilnius, they understand it in riga, they understand it in tallinn, well somehow in bucharest, in budapest they play their song there, in sofia there you don't know what to think about, what to grab, then the president says one thing, then another, so it is obvious that being on the front line with the russian military, these countries understand perfectly. that they absolutely need to interact with ukraine, because it is the only state on planet earth today, with an army in it, which capable of resisting the russian aggressor. father's word, this last sentence would be enough to answer all these

maneuvers that are taking place in central europe. it is no coincidence that these countries are the key lobbyists for ukraine's accession to nato, because they perfectly understand what to do if they take. the european continent, then sweden, finland, ukraine, these are the powers that they can count on today, the rest are either in a state of formation, or the beginning of formation, or something else. roman petrovich, i would like to ask you, and for what purpose did putin announce his ultimatum when, in particular, it is about seizing those territories that they retrospectively included in their russian territory. of the constitution, we understand that this is a certain demonstration, this is a certain indication of his readiness to go to further war, but on the other hand, he could not do it, that is , orban was exiled, orban also flew around beijing, and not only beijing, i don’t even know in which

offices he additionally visited what information he passed on to whom, but putin immediately went ahead and in parallel with his own the emissary rolled out the unseen... in general, this ultimatum applies to at least four of our regions, he did not even mention crimea. mr. antin, he is cutting off the possibility of retreat, and this is understandable. why, because this is the concept of a clique. putin is a furor, there is a clique near him. he may or may not be. it cuts off the paths for this clique to retreat. therefore, appropriate legal steps are taken from his point of view, but these steps are worthless from the point of view of the norms of international law, and that's all it's the same as taking paint and smearing fences is dirty, that's what these decisions mean, they

have absolutely no legal force either internally or externally, moreover, one must understand that simultaneously making such... decisions and presiding over the un security council , it means, well, to put yourself under the guillotine, and it will be so, because it is a deliberate violation of the norms of international law. hence, it is obvious that he does everything so that neither he nor those around him can afford to step back, even half a step. here's what's happening. so this is additional proof that i am moving forward, and what should be read here is not something to be afraid of and hide from it, it should be taken as an argument that the aggressor is moving forward, and suggestions

that some territories should be given away should disappear altogether from the agenda, because someone who takes such steps can only be fought in one way, fight with force. and punishing for crimes, other options, which were voiced these days, because that's what it is, you understand, it's like a joint score, on the one hand, actions-decisions are made. alone they shoot at ahmadyt, talk about the fact that our territories are there to lviv and so on, and on the other hand, on behalf of all the evil there, talk about negotiations, about the fact that there is another way to help ukraine, except for ukraine joining nato . when i read these sentences, the more i see who signed there, well, let's say, i understand perfectly. what talents the human world is filled with. roman petrovich, well, but

putin at the same time, well, this is some kind of delirious consciousness, you understand, bilogaryachkova. that is, on the one hand, he talks about some there istanbul, it is not known what the agreements were, which were not ratified, as far as i understand, they were not even signed, and there was no mention of the capture of additional territories, in his last ultimatum, he very clearly listed those areas , which he... wants to occupy, that is , how is he going to conduct this or that, i don't know, negotiating position with the same beijing, even within the borders of his allies, how is he going to reduce it all to some single denominator. tehran, beijing and moscow sick of such concepts as the integrity of global security, its indivisibility. this is a thesis that was, if you remember, a gibberish, and a thesis that was born back in the soviet era. times, relatively speaking, from the english channel to vladivostok, the big ones rule, and they

divide, and the small ones are like ukraine, poland, there, they are not involved here, so we will want, where are we, where, where are we, here we will be there, in the eyes of moscow, so it was supposed to be berlin and moscow at one time, everything else, they should run around on a chain, on a dart on a short, and that's it, this is such a right, by the way, this right. beijing also confesses, i think you have heard this blasphemy, the indivisibility of global security, and it is very often proclaimed by xi jinping there, the ayatollahs all these and the führer of moscow say it, here in this situation, what should be done? in this situation, it is necessary to explain that ukraine adheres to the un charter, the norms of international law, the traditions established in international law, because when they say... that the world order is based on rules, then these intelligent people say that our

ancestors lived by such rules, some of them are spelled out, and some are not spelled out, what are they about they say, well, it's like in football, you hit your leg, you idiot, stop, because it hurts people, where are you driving, that is, there are unwritten rules in international law, so if you put these two systems next to each other like that, on the left you will see idiotic phrases... and the world order, which is based on rules, what does this world order say, there are problems, sit down at the table and you are doomed to find a solution, you are doomed, the use of force is not allowed, that's what the order based on rules says, and this is the führer, this plushie , together with the chinese dictator, it decided that we are big, so we can do whatever we want. we want to the dnipro, we want to the western border and so on, that is

, this is what imperialism professes, the imperial philosophy, which invents all kinds of nonsense, which somewhere ran sideways past the un charter or some international legal acts, this is firstly, secondly , it must be borne in mind, i tell you, as a person who has sat with them dozens, maybe even hundreds of times at the negotiating table, they interpret the norms of international law, everything that is necessary, starting from the election legislation, ending with treaties on the spread of nuclear weapons as they consider necessary, and not as it is written, that is why they will look for it, as this nebinzya told the meeting of the security council that it was the ukrainians who bombed ahmadite, well, imagine, here it is ... come out and talk, people are sitting, respected, there are permanent members of the un security council,

the international representation, and this scarecrow comes out and tells that they are ukrainians, which means that they bombed themselves, that they shot themselves in the bush, and so on , that's your philosophy, that's why i generally, when i start for such things, it seems to me that in this respect... it is better to say what we have to do than to explain, and what it does, this vile, wild creature, you see, mr. antin, mad dogs at... they shoot, another there is no prescription and there cannot be, so the diagnosis is clear, the prescription to eliminate this disease is also clear, why is there no action? well, because there are those who write these open letters, which are printed in the guardian there and so on, that it is necessary to negotiate, with whom to negotiate, how many times i

have explained to the americans, do not sit down with them at the table in principle, because everything you sign for... you have a duty that means absolutely nothing to them, that's what the situation is, that's why mr. antin was not going to, it's not going to, the führer to comply with the norms of international law, that's firstly, and secondly, i want , so that we all remember, everything he does, all the decisions made by this fool or whatever he is called there, it has absolutely no legal force, and everyone in the world understands this, this is what must be relied on, what is necessary manage. and it is necessary to seek as soon as possible the unification of forces and the implementation of the recipe in that to cure the disease of this ethnic group, this state and this führer. thank you very much, mr. roman, for this extremely important, essential conversation on the air of the tv channel, i want to remind our tv viewers that now

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a well-known video blogger, activist of the russian opposition in exile, ex-deputy of the state duma, will work on the air of the tv channel. glory to ukraine, mark. glad to see you, glory to the heroes, greetings to all viewers. well, the kremlin, as usual, began to clog the airwaves, so to speak so to speak, with a verbal diplomatic overview, that is, he began to talk about what they are ready for, not ready for, what parameters of a renewed istanbul there are, and so on, and so on, and after that, in fact, in parallel, when they served their interests there with their orban , they hit okhmadyt, a children's hospital in kyiv and killed him. dozens of civilians, this is how they conduct business, but the key story, well, why are they doing it all so bloody and so stupidly, so what was the goal? see if you speak specifically about the okhmads, then this strike, according to their ideas, should contribute to the fact that ukraine, together with its allies, will be forced to go to a cease-fire, possibly a truce and

further negotiations. yes, we understand that this is a distorted logic, but in my view, although... experts present different points of view, this is a way to give nightmares to the population of ukraine, because the strike was not only on okhmadit, there were also other objects. there was an attack in dnipro, people died, one professor died. but all this goes out of focus when it comes to children about kindergarten the hospital, this is a blow that was supposed to demonstrate to the western allies that there is no way out here and that we are so ready to kill children in hospitals, in homes for lonely old women, that was all, oh, no. the anti-missile, oh, they didn't get there, they aimed at a military object. now there is no doubt that the strike was aimed, because there are fragments of rockets, video footage, and other means of recording. americans, i think, generally see everything from satellites. they have it all in folders. and of course, there is such an exchange with kyiv. so this action is purposeful, conscious, as she

always was in my opinion. and there, they say, we will lie something, we will say that it is they themselves, however. missile or something else, i believe that there is only one explanation: they want to terrify the population, this is important, they feel and believe that they can influence public opinion in ukraine, in this sense, to create the image of a helpless president zelenskyi of an eternal war of attrition, which has to cause damage that the population can no longer bear, losses that it cannot cope with, i.e. genocidal practice, in simple words, many reflects, says, well, he can't turn around like that and come out in front of a scoundrel of incredible scale, but maybe he has already done so, when he has already done so much, then with one more crime. or less for such a person as putin and for his entourage is no longer important, he is already a war criminal, it is clear to everyone, a usurper and a dictator who is

interested in nothing but killing. it was clear to many even before, we found these features in him, why? for one reason only: he leaves the kgb system, what do they learn there, they are like that, of course, not all of them are exceptions, but he is part of the system, its organic part. a part that is unlikely to change due to some life circumstances, and when he came to power in 2000, there were such conversations that trouble should be expected from him, why, because he is from the kgb, how does this directly affect the negotiation process, look, he works like this: closer, further, hot, cold, that is, he is organizing the visit of orbán, no doubt, i believe that this was a commissioned mission, it was paid for, probably with the kremlin, directly, when the prime minister ... of hungary actually himself initiates the trip, but few people know that orbán himself said six months ago: "i want to be a mediator." now

saudi arabia is going to hold the second summit in jeddah, there is a turkish platform with erdogan, who constantly offers himself, and the practice was: china talked about a peace conference. a peace forum was held in switzerland, which is unacceptable to russia, precisely because it is based on a system of traditional security, agreements, international law, and recognition of sovereignty. the kremlin will not agree to this, so the second conference in switzerland with the participation of russia, in my opinion complete nonsense, but that's another question. so why orban in particular, because orban is a representative of the kremlin, he is beneficial to moscow, as an official, because we are exclusive, yes, but who is really exclusive, the one who has influence on the kremlin, who has at least a connection with the kremlin, is china, this is orban, he is like the chairman of the council in the eu, now, i can already see. that some politicians, some representatives of the countries demand , for these shuttle visits to kyiv, moscow and beijing, to withdraw orban from this position,

that is, to deprive him of this right, but besides that he is apparently from europe and a representative of the western world, we will say that he is an agent of the kremlin directly, and he is so profitable, he can voice an agenda that will not be convincing if it is voiced by china, because china is a separate pole, america will not support it. has china as a peacemaker, as an equal, and orban turns out to be just a private politician. and here we come to an extremely important and essential point: the parameters of what the kremlin offered to orbán, and if you carefully read all the revelations of the hungarian prime minister, we see a serious warning there, we, we will not be not to be taken lightly, we are talking about two or three months, which will be even worse than they are now, and in the future. this is why the kremlin is starting to hit hospitals, that is, as far as we understand, the kremlin is demonstrating this not only to ukraine, it is demonstrating this with a very specific western cabinet, but

there are also people in the west who are aware of all the dangers from the kremlin, and we see that on two important decisions were made at the washington summit, one of them is about money, and the second is about the prospect, the inevitable prospect of ukraine joining nato, as well as immediately blew the roof off. finally to medvedev, yes, but if we talk about the parameters of what orban voiced in the context of this whole affair, that is, he voiced what was put into his ears in the kremlin, everything is correct, yes, everything is correct, because yes, everything is correct , he must frighten, and this signal is directed at ukraine, that is clear, and ukraine has been living in a war for 2.5 years, that is, it is directed to the west, this is the message of the kremlin and is speaking, if you do not put pressure... on ukraine, for her to stick to this cease-fire plan and the rest, it will be worse, there will be hospitals, there will be mass deaths, the destruction of the infrastructure will continue, which will happen in the winter, you understand,

that is, then you will already put pressure on ukraine, do something to make it take the first step, because it will be worse. of course, it sounds more convincing from orban, because he met putin, the others did not, and putin said something to him that we, they say... in general, we will take everything for granted, and then the west, because of its reflection, because of its weakness , decides, we still cannot oppose anything significant, only give arms to ukraine, we cannot join the war ourselves, yes, this is a dead end, which makes it possible to start the negotiation process now, then at least the deaths will stop, at least the killings will stop, and putin's calculation will be extended to november, he is still betting on trump, he believes that trump ... at some point, by the way, this is not a fact, i'm not sure about this, will really embarrass europe because he is announcing anti-european plans, that europe, the security council is not funding itself enough. that

cannot rely solely on the us, which must will protect a famous statement last year in carolina where he said absolutely not when asked if he would defend europe if russia attacked them. trump vaguely articulates the question of the plan to support ukraine, then he says that he will not give weapons if she does not go to negotiations, and the negotiations must end in favor of ukraine, and if ukraine approves, then only such a decision will be made, etc. they are contradictory, moreover, my point of view is that trump will not be allowed to stop supplies and aid to ukraine, they will not be allowed, because opposition in the congress and elsewhere will not allow him, as was the case in his first term in 2016-2020, to simply take and stop, therefore, after all, calculations on the part of putin are built on trump, and this period should create fear, they say, here trump will come,

it will be even worse, well... by november at least we will start this peace process, and from this there are statements that by the end of 2024, as they say, negotiations will definitely begin, they said this in beijing and they said it in moscow, why? because on january 20th, trump's inauguration, if trump wins the election, will be released for now from this construction, that trump really has a chance to win the elections in the usa, although the open question may be different. yes, biden can actually...go, there's talk of it, democratic sponsors are calling for him to go, there's options, maybe newsom, the governor of california at the convention, confirmed, or kamala harris, the vice president, it is unknown, we will see, in any case, moscow really takes this into account in order to put pressure on western countries, european countries in particular, and believes that this is a very favorable moment for it, because in france there are elections, president macron was distracted by early

elections in the nation... no assembly, the result is what it is, and it contains an alarming, threatening signal, but for now we will see how the government will function in these conditions, because the left took first place, the party came second the revival of macron himself, in third place on the far right with marine le pen. but besides that, putin believes that there is a need to hurry in this matter, it is necessary to create a canopy of pressure over ukraine, and this is the result of orban's shuttle mission. why? because orbán passed all three... except those of the remaining two, he went to moscow, kyiv and beijing, but two more remained, brussels and washington, he will not be accepted in washington, he will not be tolerated in washington at all, under trump it is possible, this mission can continue, but only for the next year, after the inauguration on january 20, and with regard to brussels, he already expressed himself unequivocally, we did not authorize you, you travel on your own

initiative, we did not give you a mandate, but marko, i would also ask you to work a little as a pathopsychologist, that is in order to understand what they put in, so it would be say, in orban's pocket, that is, on the one hand , putin begins to chew his mantra about some papers signed in istanbul by someone unknown, he starts talking again, and we proposed in istanbul, but... let's go back to istanbul's visions and agreements and so on, but on the other hand he releases medvedev, and medvedev very clearly summarizes everything that putin proposes, and we will still kill ukrainians, and we will kill later, even if we agree on something, and even if we will agree on something that in something will change in ukraine, all the same, our goal is to kill ukrainians or destroy nato, that's it. i have already said many times that medvedev

is being used as an insider for these crazy statements. agenda first of all, they say, don't pay attention to all these negotiations, we are doing our job, look, he is after all the deputy chairman of the security council of the russian federation, the former president, the ex-prime minister, of course, it is dubious, but for internal consumption agree, why, because constantly all the agencies inside russia, if someone is watching, they all share everything they say medvedev, it is very different everywhere, this agenda reaches the russians that we... their independence, there is something that we are pretending to be some kind of negotiations, a peace process, don't interfere, we will finish them all the same, ukraine will be ours, there will be no ukrainian nation, this is the final irreversible decision, in my opinion, they actually think so, everything is calculated for this. i, when i talk about the futility of negotiations in any format, which is currently being discussed from switzerland to initiatives.