and when it is possible, without having any successes at the front, to replace these successes, let's say that you simply gnaw something, as you know, these nuts from the shell, so that only emptiness remains, well, the army is standing, fighting, we have a lot of the first months of the war who criticized the post-war novel by erich maria remarque, that these... novels, they do not help us to win, but they were novels about exactly what happens after the war, this is what we need to be aware of, we cannot replace reality with slogans, but if you don't have a motivated, strong country, then you don't have one military victories do not help anything, the army returns to the country doomed to collapse, and people somehow find a place for themselves or leave this country, even... or join

some criminal groups, it doesn't matter, chaos means russia itself wants to achieve this, let's imagine that the russians have decided for themselves that they cannot occupy the entire territory of ukraine, but the territory that they cannot encroach on must become for them a territory that has been destroyed, a territory on which it will not be possible to live normally live, territory where people will fuck with each other because if they stop the war... even a truce is declared, a part of the territory is controlled, and nothing good happens in this part of the territory, in this and that territory that they could not conquer becomes a model success, joins the european union there, uh, well, why is this necessary, tell me, well, they will do everything so that this does not happen, of course they will, and in principle they should prolong the war until the moment when they tell themselves , everything, everything is over with them, that's it a state that is never real, it's just somalia, and now we can safely finish. war, and they

are messing with each other there, let the west think how to get out of this situation, how to conduct negotiations with them on joining the european union, so that they never join nato, so that they never get into it, this as orban said today, it is a very strong country, it is unbelievable how they fight so much with the russian federation, but they will not be members of the european union and nato, we will never have enough money to take them, he said orban, what is the question now? it doesn't matter how much such money they need, i'm interested in ukraine becoming a member of the european union, but it means that this is a plan that ukraine should be destroyed so much that there will not be enough western money, so that there is at least some semblance of normal life in this territory, excellent, excellent approach, by the way, about negotiations, but not with the european union, but about negotiations in general, from johnson's plan to pompeo's plan. we will talk about it, but we

see that the voices of pro negotiations, kuleba is going to china, we see that prime minister modi, the prime minister of india is going to come to ukraine on august 23 supposedly, but less so if we return to the question of this pompeo plan, pompeo's plan someone christened that it's supposed to be the trump plan, it's actually a plan about... a proposal for trump, not a trump plan, so let's not confuse it, as many have already confused, what do you think of this plan, mr. pompeo is talking about , that ukraine should be given a full-fledged lendlease for 500 billion us dollars, he is talking about again about the possibility of striking on the territory of russia, well, that is, let's say a whole complex, some of which may indeed be necessary for our country, but some... it is doubtful that it will be

used by trump. so, if we are talking about these plans, about votes for negotiations, about security, all these things, about the possibility of ending the war by the end of the year, do you believe in the implementation of at least some of these plans and these votes, because they are so diverse, so, so differ that... people are already completely confused and do not understand what is wrong with us expect until the end of the year, expect the war until the end of the year. i don't want us to operate with categories of faith at all, the category of faith is god's will, no one knows it, no one knows how god, even people who believe in him, imagine justice, god's idea of ​​justice may differ from human by 180°, and only when we live to see certain events, we understand what justice looks like when you change it in some way. with faith, and we can

work with you with facts, because only facts are a real opportunity to check what will happen in the next years of the war. so, firstly, the russians do not strive at all. to no victories, and the minister of foreign affairs of the russian federation sergey lavrov, after a meeting with the minister of foreign affairs of the people's republic of china wang yi, said that he does not pay attention to the words of zelenskyi and kuleba regarding negotiations with russia. russia is not going to the second or third or fourth peace summit. and russia, i think, is ready for a truce, only if this truce, will lead to the fact that the ukrainian leadership will accept some russian conditions. but why does russia need it? not at all for these conditions to be adopted, but for destabilization. by and large, again, all negotiations with russia, for her, are an element of destabilization. why did the russians need negotiations in istanbul? for zelensky to agree to give up

the territory, and for some kind of rebellion to break out in kyiv, as they hope, or at the time hoped, and this would make it easier for them to take military action. do you remember how putin said, the ukrainian army... "take power into your own hands, we will come to an agreement with you, what was it for, in order to provoke a military coup, so that the west does not help some junta that will be in kyiv, that the legitimate authorities were either expelled or shot, and again then putin could make it easier for himself to occupy ukraine, because he would say, listen, in ukraine, in kyiv, there is a colonel petrenko who heads the junta, and we have legitimate president yanukovych, you see why led to a whole series of military coups" in ukraine, that it is not known who is in power there, but we brought you to kyiv, a legal and legitimate president, who will now announce extraordinary presidential elections, everything is fine, we are establishing democracy in ukraine, this is exactly what was intended these appeals, the same negotiations in istanbul, the same all these conversations, first recognize

the donetsk, luhansk, kherson and zaporizhzhia regions as russian territories, and then we will start talking, remember, so that i do not invent anything, remember on... screens on armenian television on the last day of the second karabakh war , the prime minister of armenia, nikol pashinyan, appears and tells his compatriots: we were forced to sign an agreement with the presidents of russia and azerbaijan, vladimir putin and iham aliyev, which provides for the complete withdrawal of armenian troops from the territory of nagorno-karabakh, and so on and so on, remember? and then what happened half an hour later in yaivan? mass actions, well , it is clear that they are successful. they didn't have big ones, but, well, they didn't have them, because they weren't there alternatives, but less so, because none of the citizens in armenia wanted the azerbaijani army to enter yerevan, we have a slightly different situation, as you understand, it could have been in the first months of the war, and now i'm just

saying that this is exactly what they would like to bring the situation to, to mass actions against the government that betrayed ukraine, so they do not believe in negotiations, but... they want to create such a scenario that would facilitate their further actions. this is one moment. the second point, all these plans, whether johnson's or pompey's, is an attempt to turn attention to himself, donald trump, because everyone is now trying to find their place next to him, hoping that he can become the president of the united states, which is absolutely not decided, it will be decided by the american people, we understand that with the appearance of kamela hardys in the election campaign, this ... everything is now not as easy for trump as it could be, even as it might have seemed before, when donald trump was in the pre-election struggle with joseph biden, it might have seemed to him that the position of president was in his hands pockets, now even he does

it doesn't seem like it, well, there are some people who are such religious trumpists who are sure that he will win, but the chances were 50 to 50, so they are, the next moment, no china, no india. cannot be any real mediators between ukraine and russia for one simple reason. they are interested in economic relations with the russian federation. it would have cost them nothing to end this war if they refused to trade with russia for oil, and in the case of china not to send supplies to these russian military factories. despite the fact that the president of ukraine says that the chinese president xi jinping has promised that china will not supply. these weapons, he repeated this during the negotiations with dmytro kolebovanyi, we understand that in addition to weapons, there are also components for weapons, and this is supplied by china, and this is what causes such a harsh reaction from nato, and i absolutely did not understand why we behaved in this way. we are a country on the territory of which these weapons kill our

citizens, trying to pretend that the chinese are of no use here. mr. vitaly, why did kuleba go to china then, here he is went, he told about the fact that such negotiations were very successful. well, there are two, there are two ukrainian reasons, there is a chinese reason, a chinese reason, china needs to legitimize itself as a neutral intermediary. ugh. but nato says that china is helping. of russia, makes harsh statements, the united states imposes sanctions against chinese companies, and we are of no use here, we generally communicate with putin, and we communicate with kuleba, and we are neutral, and you are warmongers who still want to limit our economic growth bastards, and of course we need him then to show him to all western politicians, you see, he drove by, and you say that we are for russia, and we talk to ukrainian ministers, and you don't do that... you don't talk to russian , because you want the war to continue and we want the war to end. okay, now our desire,

well first of all, we can't refuse china's offer if they invite us, because if we say come, let's talk peace, and we say no, then we as if we look like a country that does not want peace, although again, you can look at it differently, you can say, listen, as long as you have a strategic partnership with russia, as long as you... supply it with components, we will not have a foot in china, well the chinese break diplomatic relations with those countries that establish diplomatic relations , the correct position of ukraine is a matter of choice, i would have done so, but the ukrainian leadership is not doing it that way, now again, why, because we still have some strange hope that china may and india can influence russia, that is , the global south in general, so the authorities of ukraine have hopes, and we see that the authorities... speak in principle about the countries of the global south and try to establish some kind of

relations with them, conditionally speaking , of course, we do everything possible to improve them with the countries of the global south and always turn a blind eye to their contacts with russia, but in the case of israel , the situation is different, we always tell them what you see, you continue to contact moscow there , although already such meetings with the prime minister is with putin, like all the zempins and umodi with putin, right? recently, at least, but president zelenskyi did not go to israel because he understands that it can anger the global south, i don't know, by the way, what he will do if trump becomes president, because for trump this is that and that ignoring israel, that would be automatic evidence of disloyalty, but that's already, you know, you'll have to choose then, either trump or the global south, that's already in the future, but it doesn't matter, it has meaning that it seems to me that our perception of diplomacy is the perception of not real chances, the perception of the picture. here is a rather simple question: survival of ukraine in a long-term war with the russian federation,

what is needed for this? for this, we need to have money and weapons, because without money and weapons, russia will simply turn us into its own province in a few months. what needs to be done, what else is needed so that russia does not have money and weapons, who helps russia to have money and weapons? china? india, other countries of the global south. thanks to the support of these countries, the russian federation was able to level western sanctions, and now it can ignore the point of view of the united states and the countries of the european union. with whom do we want to build relations now, especially with the same countries whose policies are helping russia to continue the war. to what extent can we influence their economic interests in any way? no way, moreover, we ourselves want to sell grain to them. so that they have everything stable, and when we cannot sell them the grain that they

necessary for the development of their economy, so that they can buy oil and gas from russia, we ourselves are the first to complain, well, what do we want, and if, after all, we return to the issues of these visits, and kuleba, and another visit follows from this , mr. modi is to come to ukraine, the information about... appeared last night, and this morning it was confirmed by a number of sources, actually indian ones, what is this for mr. modi, what is this for ukraine, and what can we do for ourselves from this bring out the positive or the negative, whether it is so or whether it is possible compare with the same visit from kuleba to china, that it will essentially be a fruitless, fruitless meeting, well, well, at a higher level, and what do you want to expect from mr. what can he do, i am

nothing, but, but, but for something, in vietnam it's called bamboo diplomacy, it's strange that the minister of foreign affairs of ukraine hasn't been there yet, but you can try to let him go as soon as possible, well, that is, vietnam has a strategic partnership with the united states, very good relations with china people's republic in all conflicts economic and putin goes there, babbuka diplomacy, here we host biden, here we host putin. bamboo is known to be flexible, this is bamboo diplomacy. india has a strategic partnership with the united states, we go to moscow, we do it first. visit, as soon as we were reassigned as prime minister, immediately to moscow and say that putin is our best friend, and we are going to ukraine, to show that we are interested in the fact that there is no war. by the way, if you're asking me if i think that rendermods genuinely want no war, i i will tell you as a person on rendramod, and we can see it, sincerely believes that war is not

a method of solving problems, by the way, this can distinguish him from sydzenpin, ugh, that he is not a communist. and such a right-wing statesman in terms of political views, right? that means, from his point of view, issues can be solved politically, he is the leader of electoral democracy, he is used to fighting for power politically, and not using the army. and then, of course, he told putin in samarkand, but no one pulled his tongue, that war is not a method of solving the problem 21 century, not everyone will say that putin, the more a person is interested in good relations with russia. but what can he really do? nothing, how can he influence putin? if, besides, he is interested, that putin has not finally fallen into the arms of sitzenpin? for him , russian-chinese cooperation is a much more serious challenge than russia's war with ukraine, because he believes that if this cooperation deepens, it is

a danger for india, and he will do everything to avert this danger. then such a serious question arises: what, for what he should go to kyiv, but this is part of his strategic partnership with the united states, if he is a strategic partner of the united states, shares the principles of american foreign policy, american foreign policy is connected with the need to end the war, it is in his interests, he will come, he will speak joint press conference with volodymyr zelenskyi, by the way, despite the fact that the president of ukraine spoke about him personally rather disapprovingly. said he doesn't understand how prime minister modi can kissing with putin when putin is shelling a children's hospital and i don't understand either, but i don't know if i would go to visit a person who would say that about me, and prime minister modi is an experienced politician, he goes, he swallowed it, well, they summoned our ambassador, they said something to him, but after that he

swallowed it, and this basically means that he believes... that this visit to kyiv will be of principle and, by the way, also on the domestic political level arena of india, because he will say: yes, we have a very good relationship with the russian federation, that's how i met with president putin and told him about the traditional relations between moscow and nideli , and these relations begin even there since the time of jovahar, but we are a humane country, we are a country that cannot but support women and children , who die in... the war, our task is to come and support morally, maybe economically, maybe we can somehow help economically with some humanitarian aid, but don't forget that this is the prime minister of a country that buys weapons from the russian federation , whose army has primarily a huge amount of russian weapons, and prime minister modi, when he was in moscow, negotiated with president putin to

speed up the supply of weapons, and by the way, it would also be nice for him to smell all these weapons from him, because those weapons ... which putin would poison india, will not get to the russian-ukrainian front, but i think that the chances of the indian prime minister are not so few, because we understand that now the priority for the russian leader is uninterrupted supplies to his troops, and it is clear that for him the war is against ukraine is a much more important priority than relations with any india, so that's how it will be, can modi mediate? between russia and india and ukraine cannot, i say again, in order to end the war, we do not need mediators, we need putin to want to end it, if putin does not want to end it, if putin believes that the time is his ally, there is not a single politician in the world who would force putin to take a step back, there are

tools, if you don't buy oil and gas, then of course putin will end this war. lot earlier than i would like, but you can argue against the rendnovodzi that he should not buy russian energy carriers? if president volodymyr zelensky had such an argument, then of course we could then say that the prime minister came here for a reason, but i do not have an answer to the question of who in the world has such an argument. well, a little break, we 'll be back in a few minutes, then we'll talk of course. about the united states of america, there, well, there is just an incredible amount of news, political life is boiling there, and of course, that there continue. the election is probably the toughest election in decades, a few minutes and we're back, don't switch from the espresso channel. there are discounts

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he will lead, and he stated that among such priorities will usually be putin's stop in ukraine. in the first day, a candidate for the presidency and the current vice president of the united states of america. mala hariis collected almost a record amount of funds, first it was more than 50 million dollars, later it was 81 million dollars, as of now this figure is far for 100 million dollars. and of course, it's worth mentioning the ratings we've seen over the past few days, they show that camala harries is actually breathing. in the back of another contender for the post of president of the united states of america, trump, yes, and their ratings are almost equal now and are

50 to 50 in... in some categories of age, kamala harris even defeats the former president of the united states of america and and gender, that is, for by various such stratifications, yes, social ones, we see that after the withdrawal of joe biden from the election race, the ratings of democrats, democrats in general increased. how do you assess the general consequences of joe biden withdrawing his candidacy, and whether kamala harris really has a significant chance of defeating donald trump as of now. well, i have already told you many times, andrei, and now i will say it again, that i generally believe that this election is a referendum, a referendum on whether donald trump,

whom we all know, has. it's great, what kind of person and what kind of politician is it to lead the united states of america, from his point of view supporters, this question doesn't even need an answer, from the point of view of his opponents, this question doesn't even need an answer, these people are divided in america 50 to 50, and i believe that joseph biden also had an opportunity to win the election for the president of the united states, but it was would be solely a referendum on donald trump, when the democrats nominated kamal harris, they turned the referendum into an election. because now there may still be some number of people who will vote not so much against donald trump as for camelo harris. just imagine the people who are going to vote for joseph biden out of conviction just for biden had a hard time after that debate, didn't they? because every person had to ask themselves the question, well, biden, he is in such bad physical shape, he is already 81 years old, it is clear that he has given up

physically. but it is good, but not trump to be the president of the united states. now these considerations may look different. i want the president of the united states to be kamala harris, she will be the first woman, she will be the first african american president and the first indian american, president. it's just a set of completely new qualities. she is a young person, not this old man who claims to return to the white house, what does he have to do there at all, he was already the president, he already is. can't say 10 words normally: shut up, go away, grandpa, play golf. and this, by the way, you can quote donald trump himself, what he says about people of the same age as him, because they are the same age as joseph biden, and this is the oldest, let me remind you, donald trump is the oldest candidate for the position of president of the united states, and not only that, what this person at a not so mature age could not somehow say five words in english so that someone understood what he meant, so now he still forgets these five words,

well... of course, in this situation it looks different, but this does not mean that donald trump cannot win the election, because again, you and i know what the election of the president of the united states of america is, it is a few states that determine the political map of the country, and the number of elections, voters on in the electoral college, and from how kamela harris and donald trump will play key states, a lot will depend, i think i told you last time that... that for many states that are strategically important for the democrats , joseph biden was what is called his guy, for the so-called irjago chain, he was my boyfriend, but i don't rule out that kamela harris can play with other states, her game with the states that biden lost last time and trump won them, uh, joseph biden won the states that he lost that

he lost. hillary clinton, but lost certain the states she won. if camellia harris manages to win back these states and win one or two of the so- called biden states, she will defeat donald trump. this is arithmetic. but it is necessary to conduct a perfect election campaign in these states. it is necessary to become a real icon not only for those who believe that the election of donald trump as the president of the united states will be. a catastrophe on a national and global scale, and this may be true, but also for those who do not see in donald trump nothing special, but they see him as just another republican candidate and think first of all about what kind of president he would like to see in the white house from the point of view of his own economic interests, and this is not an easy story, not easy, but if we are talking about the choice...