the verdict with serhii rudenko, from now on in a new two-hour format, even more analytics, even more important topics, even more top guests, foreign experts, inclusion from abroad, about ukraine, the world, the front, society, and also feedback, you can express your opinion on the evil of the day with the help of a telephone survey, turn on and turn on, the verdict with serhiy rudenko, from tuesday to friday from 20 to 22. two hours to learn about war and how the world lives, a project for smart and caring people, in the evening on espresso. good health once again, my name is mykola veresen, 18:30 minutes and 30 seconds, we will not hide this fact, as i promised, yaroslav voydko, diplomat, international expert, we will... talk without a doubt

about the international situation surrounding the ukrainian war , first of all, good health, mr. yaroslav, thank you for finding time for us, thank you very much, good health to you, mr. mykola, and to our viewers, mr. roslav, look, this is about me when i watch various tapes different, different editions, different agencies, i see that there is a lot of talk about... peace talks, when i start listening to real politicians, i don't hear about peace talks at all, as some kind of hypothetical, that yes, well, in principle it could ever happen, that is, real politicians they don't talk about it, mostly russians talk, and russians, not only pro-government, but also opposition, the so-called good russians also say that there are negotiations, negotiations, do you believe? in the possibility of negotiations, especially

considering the latest statements in the russian federation, which constantly shouted: "oh-oh-oh, negotiations, and now they say that there are problems, problems with the legitimacy of ukrainian leaders and , first of all, zelenskyi, that is, if, on the one hand, we are in favor of negotiations, moscow says, and on the other hand, it is somehow unknown with whom to conduct them, that is, about this in general you can talk about the peace negotiations as something real, but not something that russia is pretending to be in the first place." times, they are talked about a lot, but they are still very far away, we are within the framework of the paradigm that supposedly all wars end with negotiations, this is not quite so, maybe even not so at all, say, the second world war ended with the complete and unconditional surrender of germany, here too... there may be

such a situation when the war ends on the territory the capital of the aggressor's country, this is also hypothetical, of course, but fine, the negotiations should still be conducted in some format, we only remember that president zelensky himself by his decree forbade himself to enter into these negotiations and peace agreements, that is why the conversation is being held now about that we will... look for mediators who can help to conduct these negotiations from the point of view of ukraine, the biggest negotiator in us and the best from my point of view is the armed forces of ukraine, which must achieve success on the battlefield, even before the end of 2024, before the us presidential elections, so there are many initiatives now, we heard. the fact that the former secretary of state,

president trump, mike pompeo, has taken his initiative, boris johnson, we have him to thank for not allowing capitulation, in fact, the negotiations of the agreement in istanbul in march 2022, and we are still in the situation when ukraine has not capitulated, but is fighting more and more... it is gaining support, but without ukraine, about ukraine, i am not satisfied, for example, such a situation and many people, i think you too, that's why some meetings may be difficult, mediators may be sought, everyone is talking about the fact that now, for example, there is great negotiating pressure on china, the president, or rather the state secretary blinka. in vietnam, in vientiane, excuse me,

the capital of laos, i spoke with the minister of foreign affairs, china that it is not necessary for this country to help. even if it does not supply weapons and equipment, it supplies goods for military purposes, the new foreign minister of great britain asks china not to do the same, now mrs. george miloni is going to china, she will also defend the positions of the entire western community in fact, so as not to add oil into this fire, on the contrary to... look for some means for peace negotiations, there are various initiatives, as we remember, the same chinese initiative that on february 24, 23 a year after the start of the full-scale invasion was nominated, it did not get that much support, then there was

the sino-brazilian initiative, everyone is also talking about the need for peace, orbán, the prime minister of hungary, traveled around the world , including . in ukraine, in moscow, in beijing , i visited the president of the former and possible next donald trump, it is alleged that such initiatives are proposed without any specifics, unfortunately, there are no specifics at the moment, so we can only theoretically discuss this with you when they begin. first, the real ones will begin. those negotiations that will be able to move forward the process of stopping russia's military attack on ukraine. mr. yaroslav, look, i have one more question for you, very, well, i'm already starting to think that maybe

we should turn to some psychiatrists instead of people like you, maybe invite them to our program, because orban said, yes, there about ukraine, that it is strong, but will not be a member of nato or the eu. but i was more interested: the west is on the way to disintegration, power in the world is moving to the russian federation and the people's republic of china. well, this is some kind of absolutely crazy absurdity, it is 1.5% of the gdp of the gross domestic product of the russian federation from the world, and it is a big leader. china, which does not create anything, but only... borrow, i try to be careful, i don't say other, i don't use other words, so on and so on, that is , it's an absolutely, absolutely crazy story, and he says it, that's the question then why, why does he say stupid

things in advance, you can say that the west is in crisis, okay, you can say that america is in some sort of crisis, yes, but to say that the west is... on the way to collapse and power is shifting to the russian federation and the people's republic of china is, well, the same as saying power in the world passes from the president of the united states to mykola veresnya, and the whole world will laugh and point fingers, idiots will say, and they will be right, by the way, please, mr. yaroslav, well, i can also agree with you that this is psychiatry here not even psychology. this is a wish come true, and indeed, after these sanctions, which we know about since 2014, and especially those introduced against russia after the 22nd year, this country dropped out of the top ten most developed countries in the world,

an economy 10 times smaller than china . we remember how the soviet union, you and i all found life in this country, the 80s in the soviet union. 20% of the world gdp fell on the united states 25, and then there were at least equal-sized rivals, now it is completely out of the question from the point of view of the economy, from the point of view military potential, it really still exists in the russian federation, although now, so to speak, it has been pinched a lot, and only such allies as china, and now... china, the democratic people's republic of korea, with which putin has concluded agreements. and now it is said that russia will conclude a similar agreement with iran. only such dictatorial regimes, this axis, can

somehow oppose the west with joint efforts. and of course, how to say, the rattling of those, nuclear appendages, those that are still in the russian federation, but no one... knows, in what condition are they in, can those rockets really take off, can those bombs really explode. well, yes, this question is more for psychiatrists, this question is simple. er, how to say, mobilize your voters, your russian electorate or those who support him, say, in the same hungary, who say that we are very great peacemakers, and only the european union and nato are a party of war and for there is no future for them, we should all strive for peace, it is clear that we should strive for peace, but we did not start this war, that's why. this question no longer to international experts and not such analysts, but to those who can

look, if they are such people, into the mind, the mind of such dictators. mr. yaroslav, indian prime minister modi is going to kyiv and there will be a meeting, what would that mean, why did he decide to come, is this his... discussion in absentia with china, or does he really want to, if he showed any initiative, regarding the end of the russian-ukrainian war, or at least to listen to the ukrainian side, unlike china, modi was in moscow, now he is going to kyiv, he wants to know from two sides what people think, that is, how do you evaluate this future possible visit, please, mr. yaroslav, the visit is necessary for... in order to find out after all, well, even if there is such a situation

happens in diplomacy, where there are no major points of contact, but at least to listen to each other's positions, this is also important, then on the basis of these positions, common points of view will be developed. yes, you are right, and this is one of the most important aspects, mr. odi, he feels that china is exciting. leadership in yes the so-called global south, china certainly has a great potential for this, it is the second country in terms of gdp in the world after the united states somewhere until 2050, there are forecasts that if this trend continues as it is now, it will also take the first place, india is the most the world's most populated country and the world's largest democracy (1.4 billion) people live there. there was an unpleasant situation, you remember very well when, during modi's visit to moscow

, the bombing of okhmedit in kyiv took place, and it seems to me that at that time they simply did not have time to report to the prime minister how much this the situation was terrible, and he then answered something like that very inappropriately, it should have been clear that this was to be condemned... a barbaric russian terrorist attack, the ukrainian side can offer, indeed for the post-war period, well, not so big now either, but all the same projects for reconstruction in ukraine, if, especially since we really hope for it someday, like after the second world war, after our victory, i have no doubt that something like the marshal's plan for ukraine will be created. and indian companies should also their last question sir

yaroslav, sorry for interrupting, today it became known, or rather, even yesterday it became known about hezbollah’s attack on israel, and now israel is fighting back, giving an answer, whether this escalation could lead to war, or whether the parties will refrain from war, we literally have one a minute, well, a very serious situation, because israel is actually... uh, between two fires or between many fires, iran from far beyond its borders, from the north, lebanon, from the south, the gaza strip, hamas does not stop its provocative actions . yes, this is a big humanitarian tragedy, it already is israel's retaliatory strike. again, if there are no further blows from the side. hezbollah on the part of israel, i think it will be possible in some

way, even if you do not return the victims, but still refrain, if not, then many say that the situation in the middle east may escalate, it has never been like that there blunt, how to say, always very sharp, let's just hope that the... side of the rivet in the head will be enough to not escalate this situation further. thank you very much, yaroslav voitko, diplomat, expert an international man was with us, thank you, mr. yaroslav, and for... from the near east to the far west of europe, namely to france. alla lazareva, the deputy editor-in-chief of the magazine ukrainian week from france, as always, tells us what is happening there, and the olympics continue to take place there, which we know started there the other day, but we are more interested in domestic politics,

not international sports . good health, mrs. alla, so alla lazareva, deputy editor-in-chief. good health, thank you for volunteering to talk with us, now, here we go, i'm already getting used to pronouncing lucy kaste, it's like a candidate for the position of prime minister, and i ask dear mrs. alla, who is lucy kaste? "well, as of today, it's just a candidate from the popular front who can... maybe, maybe, become the prime minister of the french government, but that doesn't mean that macron will want to approve her, to propose her for the position," he said before the start olympic games, that he doesn't care who the person is, he cares how much he is able to bring down the majority, that is, he

still hopes that the majority is possible, that depends on which person will take it up, and he... not yet sure that this particular politician can do it, about, about this policy, the politician, i 'm getting used to the new spelling, uh, she's not that well known, unknown at all, really, this is a very new personality for the french, and this is a professor of economics, she worked in various such high offices, she worked in... in the state treasury, in the intelligence services as well, the leadership of the intelligence service, in the paris city hall, that is she has such a rather, let's say, classic career for possible prime minister of france, but it remains to be seen how exactly her figure will be approved in the end in order to be presented for a vote in parliament, ms.

alla, that is, i understand correctly that this is if the left nominated her. now it is necessary for the president to talk to her or study her or something, and then he will say: yes, they suit both the left and me, and we roughly understand how she will feel in the prime minister's chair, and okay, we then we submit it, or we don't submit it, if we see that there are problems, i am right understand, yes, yes, absolutely correct, he should call her, everything here is very coded, everything is ritualized. but he hasn't called her yet, that means he's still thinking and somehow he said that until the games are over, he doesn't want to hear anything about the new government, i think he likes the prime minister who has already resigned gabriel tal, and the french are joking here and say that maybe we will make it to the next presidential election with these negotiations on a new government, in three years, we will negotiate on a new one until

we won't re-elect the president, but now how are we without the russians, madam... but it's simply impossible, are the french discussing these sabotages, this is what lives, well, what lives - it's for ukrainians, i'll say, these are such high-speed trains, the french are famous enough, once i even went somewhere, i don't remember this tzhv anymore, and there are problems, and some spies were caught, and then spies were caught again, and then, for a short time, the impression is that we... at least in ukraine has the impression that we are only discussing french-russian, or rather, french-russian intelligence stories, and in are they being discussed in france or not? yes, yes, they are discussing, of course, the only thing that can be said about these accidents, provoked by these terrorist attacks, yes, no, which failed, well, but

at least they slowed down the traffic on the first day of the games, the opening day, more precisely, about this... there were some, some media said that it might be a russian trace, but then no one could confirm it, and recently there was a report in francepress that allegedly the extreme left of france took responsibility for those transformer booths that had all caught fire, they set fire to these booths on three railway lines and also damaged movement on eurostar there on saturday , a third of the flight is canceled. was canceled, that is , it seems that this vandalism is connected more with the local context than with the russians, although it is not a fact, because in principle they are connected by the fact that they cooperate. they have, especially some leaders of the far left, they have a lot of sympathy for russia, so even if the far left took responsibility, it doesn't mean

that russia is not involved at all. and then yes, the scandal with it is very actively discussed a cook who worked in courchevel and who was going to carry out a terrorist attack during the olympic games, well, in general, he looks very much like a terrorist, because... he boarded a plane drunk and the bulgarians kicked him out of that plane , then he was again caught getting drunk as a chip, and maybe he got so drunk, because maybe somehow he didn't really want to carry out this terrorist attack and die in it, and so he will sit in a french prison and maybe he will be exchanged for someone there or something else, well i don't know, it is not known what was in the head of this person, but nevertheless, a lot is written about her. the cook about the fact that he was preparing for a terrorist attack, listen, mrs. but, well, but this is nobody, i love, i loved precisely in soviet times, now americans

compete with french cinema in my head, but this is just a humorous film about spies, and if pierre-pierre richard was younger, i think he could perfectly play this loser who chased him... off the plane, moved to bulgaria, got drunk again, shouted, i'll show them the olympics, they will remember this olympics, then went to paris, well, we're showing it now, it's fantastic, it's just a real humorous spy movie, absolutely, it's perfectly sold for such a movie, and why did it screw itself up, in fact, it's not even i didn't really catch him, he turned himself in, you could say, that's on... but the competent authorities will find out, but it seems that he, he was assigned this role because his brother is allegedly one of the high officials there

in the russian special services, i.e. his brother set him up for such a role of a terrorist, and surely something in them went wrong somehow, he also adds great humor, one more question, a question for you, whether in france... they drew attention to the somewhat unique situation with the russian media, which told to your viewers, readers, listeners and the rest about the complete failure of the first day of the olympics, it was terrible, the parade after you was terrible, everything was terrible, and just a complete failure, and and and then they stopped the accreditation of russia. russian journalists, so-called journalists who, according to the russians, wrote the truth about a complete failure, and the french should

be ashamed, and the french are ashamed, but they are afraid to admit it to themselves, and only the authorized person will report that everything is bad for them, and that is why they are being expelled from france, someone is talking about this in france, because it's really funny in general too. this is all very funny, please, well , they perceive it with great humor, in principle, there are reviews of the press, the french are just proud of the fact that the world press, and in particular, by the way, the ukrainian press, welcomed this innovation of theirs very favorably, it is their kind performance, at the open games, absolutely unlike all the previous ones, they are proud of their originality and generally applauded by the world too, and as for the russians, they remember baikol fontaine about green grapes, which are not tasty and bad. in fact, they simply cannot reach him, i.e. they comment so rather caustic that the russians are sorry that they were not invited, but it would be better for them to remember why they were not invited and

for what, why they do not want to see them, i.e. a little on there are reactions, but they are very caustic, and in principle , they do not focus on them here, they try somehow to make the most of the games, from the attention of the whole world, they are trying to sell beauty as much as possible. of their country, that is, well, as they belong, what are they for, in order to attract attention, somehow separately, the french press studies these russian athletes, there are several people there, and it is simply interesting to them whether they take they have an interview, or they ask them how you got here, how you will return home, whether you are not afraid to return to moscow. if you are, then you are taking part right there, or are you advocating the continuation of russian military operations federations against ukraine, these are the ones, well, if i

were a french journalist, i would, i would... i would focus on this very topic, i would travel among the russians and ask them what they think about it, what do you do, what do you think about doping, which has so comprehensively covered all russian sports, do you support doping, well, in short, i have accumulated 5 million questions for russian athletes, i would prioritize them if i were there in paris to french journalists nikolay. somehow, well, listen, they are not really offered for interviews, they are not recorded in these lots, where you can sign up for an interview with one or another athlete there, they don't appear much, and the french press ignores them more, they, you know, it's such a slippery unpleasant question, actually theirs, well, not yours, but the question of their presence, so that no matter what, those who came even under a white

flag, as neutral. friends without the representation of their aggressor state there anyway, or they have agreed with the kremlin that they will participate and therefore will formally say that we will not support this war in this way, but they may still have some tasks of their own, because otherwise they simply will not return there, they can come here and stay here somewhere, it is clear that those who are really against russia's military intervention against ukraine, those athletes, i think that even more so ... if they perform at international competitions, it makes absolutely no sense for them to return to the white stone again and tell how they are against the war, that is, very quickly everything will be over for them, especially since they are public people, so everything is not simple with them , it is obvious that them allowed, probably the kremlin to say that they are against it, how sincere it is, how much they are only athletes, it is also not clear, but

they are silent about them, but i do not see materials about them. maybe i didn't read very carefully, but none happened to me. many people on twitter are protesting that they should participate, that they are not needed at all, none under any banner. that's it. in social networks, so social networks were a little on fire about this, but i personally did not see a high-quality press. and this moment, just to which you hinted that maybe except for the cooks, if you say they were allowed to go, they usually do. the gru, the main intelligence agency of the ministry of defense, or the fsb, or external intelligence, that is, maybe, in addition to the cooks, the athletes are also rummaging through some secrets, well, no one wrote about the fact that they are being specially monitored, let's say, carefully, by the western special forces of the french special services, just in case, because this guy or that girl really came, everyone didn't go, everyone

was allowed, or maybe they weren't... just like that there are some conversations going on about this, please, ladies, conversations are going on in journalistic circles, but i have not seen such specific articles on this topic in the press, and i think that if the special services are conducting them, then they are conducting them without , to announce it, they are still not all pierre-richards, they know how to work a little, i think, and if they supervise them, and they have to supervise them, that is, it would be idiotic to supervise them, then surely they after all, they don't hang out every time on banana peels, there they shout what their name is... well, don't worry about the fact that they belong to these services, and not just some random passers-by standing by, in principle , there should be obvious supervision over them, that is , it would be very strange to imagine that it did not exist, so that everyone would naively believe, that they just came from the russian federation and absolutely declared that they are against the war, and then they will calmly go home and everything will be fine, that is, to honestly imagine such a fairy tale, well, you have to be a very naive person, i

do not think that the heads of the french special services .. how does it affect, this is the penultimate question, whether do the olympics affect the french in any way, have they forgotten about internal problems, do they not write, do not read what is happening, a government will be appointed, they will not be appointed, what government will be appointed, what macron will do, what the left, right and so on will do, or such unity has come all? forgot, yes, we should cheer for sports, competition and peace, pierre de coubertin, we all remember who restored the olympic movement after ancient greece and so on and so on, whether it is somehow used by some politicians and criticized or vice versa boasted as your as you see as you as the french from the french, depends on the french, there are these french who are now completely immersed in...