i do not think that there are not so many heads of the french special services. how does this penultimate question affect, does the olympics somehow affect the french, do they forget about internal problems, do they not write, do not read, what is happening, the government will be appointed, they will not be appointed, what government will be appointed, what macron will do, what the left will do , right and so on, or? did such unity come, everyone forgot, yes, we should cheer for sports, competition and peace, pierre coubertin, we all remember who restored the olympic movement after ancient greece and so further and the like, whether it is somehow used on the contrary by some politicians and criticized or on the contrary praised, like yours, as you see, like you, as france depends on the french, and it depends on the french, there are those french who are now completely immersed in...

cheering for their national team, who are glued to their tv screens or smartphones, there are counting medals, they already have a little gold, that is, they are waiting for other medals, that is, they got involved in this kind of sports excitement, and there are those who simply do not like it. sport and they are absolutely the same, they they complain more about the fact that they can't get anywhere, that there are too many policemen, that there are some inconveniences in using transport, that is, they are afraid of terrorist attacks, possibly from russia, that is , there are also people who... believe that the olympic games are a big inconvenience and great discomfort, and i know many people who simply left paris for the time being, rented out their apartment for quite an expensive price and decided that they didn’t want to have all the fuss in their lives, and those who are really sick, people who live by politics and so on are very much like that politicians, it is clear that for them games or not games, they are trying to conduct their negotiations, again to look for these alliances, it is very difficult to arrange them, because... they do not know how to form

coalitions and are not ready to give in and make some compromises in order to , to form some kind of coalition government, this has never happened to them before, and they are not very ready to learn, that is, it is obvious that this category of french people, who live politics and for the sake of politics and breathe politics, they are not distracted by the olympic, the last question, ms. alla, we already talked about re'. the russians were most disturbed by the psychology and psyche of the russians this last supper, which was demonstrated as if it were a living copy of leonardo's painting, where people with disabilities were presented, with a different view of sexual relations and so on and so on, and that's what everyone said that it well, all the russians said, someone in france paid attention to it, maybe we will show it now...

we may not show this version of the secret dinner, but whoever is interested, let them go to the internet, in russia it is exactly this, if they paid attention, but in france are they proud or on the contrary, they are ashamed, did they not pay attention, this is our life, we want to live the way we want, and they are absolutely not worried about the fact that russia did not like it, that is, on the contrary, they talk about inclusiveness, about the celebration of inclusiveness, about more references on... the painting banquet of the gods by giovanni bellini, that is, well, no, no, here, here from this scandal and cannot be on similar topics, on the contrary, i think that they collectively believe more that they did everything right, and that , well, this is also a hint that the church in france is divided from the state, in particular, from the time of the revolution, that is, there are many such multi-level...

there are such associations that the french themselves read, it sends them back to various episodes of their history, and for them no, it is not at all shocking, there are those , who did not like it, i will say who, it is the extreme right, for example, marion marichel, who is the niece of marino le pen, she was very upset, and in principle the extreme right was dissatisfied, so i now remember that on social networks, again , this category of people, they... criticized exactly this installation, but it did not last longer than perhaps a few hours, that is, so that the entire country became engrossed in the discussion, this did not happen. thank you very much, ala lazareva, the deputy editor-in-chief of the magazine ukrainian week from france informed us about everything that is happening, and i hope she will continue to inform us. meanwhile, we will now move on to the plot. about

chinese-ukrainian relations, about the visit of mr. dmytro koleb, who works as the minister of foreign affairs of ukraine to the people's republic of china, then we will have an advertisement after... later you will again see mykola veresnya and olga popovych, the editor of the annual ukrainian almanac, this is the polish edition of the association of ukrainians in poland, but we will still have a plot and advertising, and then mykola veresin. if china is not going to the peace summit, then kuleba is going to china. the visit of ukrainian foreign minister dolguang zhou was a surprise for many. in june, the people's republic of china. defiantly ignored the invitation to the peace summit in switzerland. nato openly accuses the sky of supporting russian aggression, and the united states they will threaten her with sanctions. however, in ukraine they understand that china is too big and influential to take offense at it, or

to ignore it. the visit of a ukrainian official at this level is the first in many years. and this is good, there is a clear signal that... china supports the territorial integrity and sovereignty of ukraine, and it was also confirmed what chinese leader xi jinping told me that china will not supply weapons to russia, dmytro kuleba was invited to guangzhou by the foreign minister affairs wang-gi, the second man in the chinese hierarchy after xi jing ping. the conversation lasted more than three hours, the people's republic of china continues to call... russian aggression the ukrainian crisis, but once again expressed readiness to help achieve peace, precisely peace, not a truce, dmytro kuleba emphasized. i spoke about the importance of a just peace, not just any peace. and my

chinese colleague himself added that it is very important that it is just and long-lasting, because usually it is we who constantly say that peace should be permanent, that is, long-lasting and... but what does a just peace mean for china? the cause of the war is officially named by beijing as the expansion of nato to the east. his peace proposals essentially equate the victim and the aggressor. the russian federation is not going to give up its strategic partnership with russia. however, china is not the only country that has real influence on the kremlin. and that's why ukraine and the west would like to see people at the second peace summit, preparations for which... are already underway. there will be no point in the negotiations if the russians lead them as they have done in the past, putting forward terms of surrender, but without russia and china at the table , there really will be no peace talks. china could play the role of a major global player,

which he undoubtedly is in the economy, in finance, but perhaps no longer in the policy of forcing peace. china's position as a potential mediator is further strengthened against the backdrop of dramatic and unpredictable events. of the american elections, which weaken the united states and frighten its allies. president joseph biden's refusal to run for office, although it added enthusiasm to the democrats, further confused the prospects of american support for ukraine. on the one hand, vice president kamala harris, if she wins, is widely expected to keep the white house on track with of ukraine. but harris herself is a person without experience in international affairs. and will probably rely entirely on his advisers, with the key diplomat philip gordon, the head of the president's office, andriy yermak, has already had a telephone conversation. according to the wall street journal, the garis administration is unlikely to find a place for the main

appointees of president biden, including secretary of state anthony blinken, secretary of defense lloyd austin and national security advisor jake sullivan. so... will the level of support at least be like for president biden, who had a special attitude towards ukraine, unanswered questions . on the other hand, donald trump. he promises to end the war in 24 hours and claims to have his own peace plan. the publication politico previously reported that his team is apparently seriously considering the option of an agreement with the kremlin, which provides for territorial concessions to ukraine and its own. refusal to join nato. after meeting with trump on the sidelines of the republican party convention, ex-prime minister of britain boris johnson published in the tabloid newspaper the daily mail your version of the peace plan. there is an increase in military support for ukraine,

intentions to push russia to the borders on february 24 , and measures to protect the rights of russian speakers in ukraine to help putin save face. finally , the us secretary of state in the trump administration , mike pompeo, and david urban, the head of a lobbying company close to the republicans, presented their version, they claim. hear: the way to peace lies through force, which means that it is necessary to strengthen military support for ukraine, remove all prohibitions on strikes deep into russia, reduce world oil prices to weaken the economy of the russian federation and ultimately to accept ukraine into nato. which of these plans is really trump's plan? it is unlikely that even trump himself knows this today. he is an impulsive and unpredictable person, which means that his victory will create both new opportunities and great risks for... president

zelensky called me, we had a good talk, and i said that this war must be ended. you are dealing with the russian war machine, all they do is wage war. they defeated hitler, they defeated napoleon. spring offensive and not took place the russians have millions of shells and thousands of tanks. many russians were killed, but many ukrainians were so... killed, this should not have happened. are you ready for possible negotiations with the ukrainian woman herself? a survey conducted by the razumkov center in june commissioned by the dzerkalo tyzhnya publication showed that 44% of ukrainians believe that the time for peace talks has come, while 35% disagree with this opinion, but this is tylu's opinion, what the front thinks, sociologists do not know , the forces of rotation. continue with incredible efforts to restrain the enemy for so that ukraine, if the time for negotiations

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a project for smart and caring people, in the evening on espresso. good health once again, 19:00: 15 minutes 50 seconds. olha popovych, editor of the annual ukrainian almanac, the publication of the association of ukrainians in poland, will appear now, here it is. thank you, ms. olga, for finding time to talk with us about various circumstances, we will have many topics, let's start with such a historical and political topic, as far as we know here, that ukraine will not join the european ... community until it decides the volyn issue, they say in the ministry of defense of poland, and i have a question: what is meant when, i quote, will not solve the volyn issue, well, what is it to admit that the ukrainians were not angels, or is it

to take all the responsibility on oneself, well, it is a war, it is the second world war, there were different circumstances, probably ukrainians too... and the poles are to blame, and there are no such righteous 100% golden people, they are all angelic, angelic-like, what do you say? first of all , it is necessary to start with the fact that in poland, in principle, there is a political consensus regarding the view of volhynia during the second world war, and what happened there to polish citizens at that time, that is, all political the forces expect from... ukraine, that ukraine should clearly say that it condemns the crimes committed by the upa, or also in that is, poland is waiting for ukraine to say not only that we are apologizing for what happened in volyn, without naming the formations, without naming the responsible ones, including the political ones, on

the ukrainian side who raised this issue somewhere. confrontation with the poles, so that ukraine clearly names the perpetrators of those events, but actually this is what poland demands first of all, because if we look at the apologies of the ukrainian presidents, and they there were, they were from almost every ukrainian president in ukraine's independent history, but none of the presidents, even poroshenko's speech in the diet of poland, we remember this famous speech where he apologized for the crime. and used this formula, which in principle has been functioning in the polish-ukrainian dialogue for a long time, we forgive and ask for forgiveness, it passed to this ukrainian-polish dialogue from the german-polish dialogue, and it is typical when ukrainians say that we apologize, but they don't name what specifically, or they don't

say who specifically committed crimes against the civilian population, so accordingly, this greatly infuriates the polish people. side, but in addition to historical issues, i definitely emphasize, we have a very clear, bright political component, and this political component around these historical, difficult historical moments, because yes, ukrainian formations, unfortunately, we have to admit, yes, in our history participated not only in heroic battles, but also committed a crime, but in poland it is rising so aggressively that... in volhynia, in the political discourse, it was raised very aggressively for several years by the ruling party of law and justice, and it actually became such a manipulative topic, that is, the polish side definitely expects these apologies from the ukrainian side, and it goes further, further into in their various resolutions, different, even at the legislative

level, because let's recall that at the legislative level in the 16th year , a law was passed in the polish sejm on the day of commemoration of the victims of the volyn tragedy, in poland it sounds like the day of genocide against of the polish population, and, accordingly, since that time various such radical statements have been very actively supported in the political discourse, because at first it was said at the beginning historians said that it is difficult to establish the number. victims, and it is somewhere around 50-60,000, then the numbers 80, then 1,000 were mentioned, now we often hear 200,000, by the way, in this last decision. from friday, on the 81st anniversary of these events , the number of dead 1000 is mentioned, and actually these numbers

are manipulative, because historians to the end did not investigate this number of victims. the fact that the crime took place in this way, and this is precisely the problem, that on the one hand, the polish side does not want to understand in any way that the formations, part of the formations, which participated in these crimes, later also fought for... independent ukraine, and accordingly, ukraine will never give up those who fought for its independence, instead, poland demands that ukraine give up honoring the party, and honoring the organization of ukrainian nationalists, who in their history have undoubtedly also had a very, very complicated historical fate, because... cooperated with the nazis at some point and really spoke radically about the polish population, about the polish question, as it was commonly

called, but nevertheless it was a complex story in which poland, then poland, was also not angel, this is my next question, ms. olga, excuse me, please, this is my next question, but you know, i would support the poles 100%. if i was convinced that they had investigated their history completely, found problems in their history, let's not point fingers like that, and they said: yes, we didn't behave very well here either, it doesn't matter to whom, to the jews, for example, both during the war and after the war, we know that there were genocidal manifestations after the war already, we know about the people's army. yes, which fought on the side of the soviet union and was simply socialist, yes, in fact, unlike the border army, as far as i remember, in short, there are many problems in

polish national history, and i am not against the ukrainians apologizing and may have named the last name, but then let's all do it together let's do it, maybe all together in eastern europe, because there are problems in lithuania, and problems in latvia, in estonia. problems, problems in ukraine, problems in poland, problems in slovakia, there are many problems everywhere, and how to say, they are ambiguous, as it is fashionable to say now, is everything okay in polish history? well, not all is bad, because, for example, the vistula operation, which was carried out against the ukrainian population itself for forced eviction, and not only that was followed by forced eviction. families also ended up in a concentration camp in evidently, they died in poland and, accordingly , last year the prosecutor's office of the city of ryaszów

refused to continue the investigation on this topic, now the warsaw court forced the prosecutor's office to return to this topic and conduct an investigation, but this just shows that the historical topic is very... highly politicized, because under the previous government, which for the first time in principle in the history of honors, in a democratic poland, the vistula operation, the descendants of this operation, the ukrainian minority, she refused to let me not be mistaken, with the year, it seems the 19th year, when for the first time at the government level they refused to express... their condemnation of these events and support the ukrainian mershchyna during this commemoration, that is, this , i repeat, shows a very strong

politicization of a historical issue, especially a historical issue related to polish -ukrainian relations, and when poland now demands that ukraine unilaterally also, for example, demolish the exhumations, although this is a bit of a manipulation, because the exhumations have been partially restored, and even... that's why the then minister dvorchyk spoke about the fact that they are starting partial exhumation works in volyn, and instead, this resolution clearly states that they will demand from ukraine that the exhumations resume, in order to properly honor the victims of the volyn tragedy, in poland it is called, i repeat, genocide, so poland unilaterally. what is demanded of ukraine forgets that when ukrainian memorials were destroyed, and, for example, on the monastery mountain, a table was destroyed with a table on the grave where representatives of... ukraine,

namely upa soldiers, were buried, of this table with these the polish side did not restore the surnames, although there was actually such a conversation that the polish side was restoring the table on the monastery mountain, the killed ukrainians were slaughtered on the grave, the ukrainian side gave the right to exhumation, so the polish side returned the table, but without the surnames, and this is also not the end actual sincerity on the part of poland, that is, it demands complete sincerity from ukraine. full recognition of her crimes in her history, on the other hand , she manipulates and does not want to follow through with her promises, as well as with the recognition of her guilt for what happened in our history, and it will continue as long as the topic is so politicized, the problem is that, as i said at the beginning, there is a complete consensus around the volyn topic, and it is

both left and right, both ... extremes and moderates, the only thing that differentiates these people is whether to demand such a full apology from ukraine and force ukraine to make such statements at a time when ukraine is fighting with russia, fighting for its existence in general, or to wait for the ukrainians to win this war, so that historians once again take up research, actually specifically about numbers, too victims on the ukrainian side as well, because they were in poland... the so-called retaliatory actions called, what do they call that, what do they call it, they call it the killing of the civilian ukrainian population, soldiers of the regional army, as a response to what they did soldiers of the upa and not only, because unfortunately, ukrainian peasants also participated in the destruction of the polish civilian population in volyn, that is , on the ukrainian side, this is genocide, what the upa did, on the polish side, on the other hand,

is actions. mrs. olga, now let's talk internal polish situation, the sejm canceled the reform of the constitutional court, which was adopted by the previous government. can you explain what it was about? i'm not asking you about legal subtleties, because it's unlikely, i understand, you know for sure, and and most importantly, our viewers definitely won't understand, but still, what was meant, we know that there were warnings and. .. from brussels, from the european community, that you are on the wrong path, gentlemen, from law and justice, and so on, and so on, what is this, what is this reform and and why did the seimas decide to cancel it now? well, first of all, this reform was about the political control of the constitutional court by the then active party, and actually brussels protested against it, the opposition in poland protested against it then and

now... the current coalition has adopted two laws that should actually restore the independence of the constitutional court, even somewhat more of it should be done outside of politics, these laws have to pass now, they are sent to the senate, they have to pass in the senate for approval, and if this happens, although the vote was almost half to half, because we do not forget that in the polish parliament the previous ruling party... the party of law and order kept a lot of seats and accordingly almost all of them voted clearly against, because it violated their theses about what they are doing on the contrary it is good for poland and they are amending the law so that it works better, instead, the european commission emphasized it, and independent, ultimately, legal experts who deal with it.

constitutional law and the constitutional court, all emphasized that the law, which were adopted, the laws that were adopted during the time of justice violated, unfortunately, the independence of the constitutional court, the constitutional tribunal, and the current political coalition in power is also trying to change it and the constitution, amendments will be made. constitution in general, this new coalition is more european, it is already working, we can already see, well, relatively speaking, the press, well, because there were also complaints from the press that there is some oppression, there is some pressure, there are some misunderstandings, there is some desire to censor, now we see improvement in this area, we see what is better became poles, the polish press began to breathe

more freely. or do we not see it.