were supporters of peace, pacifists, suddenly became such serious patriots of their country, and relatively speaking, russian social democrats strongly criticized german ones and vice versa, and therefore, by the way, people like lenin appeared, they were not social democrats, they were representatives of left radicals who said that we want the defeat of our homeland in this war, and their country, let ours also be defeated, because this is our only opportunity to come to power, disorganization of society and... special services of enemy countries are working exactly with the radicals, because the radicals become their tools to destabilize the enemy, now they have returned to the murder of farion, this vyacheslav zinchenko, this is exactly such a tool, if you will, of defragmentation of the country and its destabilization, like volodymyr ulyanov, lenin, just on a smaller scale, here, mr. vitaly, really going back to the murder of iryna farion and... and actually vyacheslav zinchenko, whom

you just mentioned, and why in ukrainian society, as i observe, yesterday, the day before yesterday, there is such a huge mistrust of the investigation itself, we see just an insane number of posts, comments, i personally heard the same from people whom i know, whom i know, who talk about what listen, well, not everything is so clear, maybe it's not him and... . and some are just plain stupid, we don't trust the law enforcement agencies and that's because not a single high-profile political murder in ukraine during these years of ukrainian independence has been solved, and those murders that were said to be solved later turned out to be unsolved . , well, i will give you examples of murder georgy gongadze and pavla sheremet, you know who killed georgy gongand, i don't mean general pukach, who is in prison, who was, as it were, right there. the perpetrator of this

crime, who was interested in the murder of gongadze, why did it happen in the first place, who prevented gongadze, who gave orders to the security forces, you understand, this is an amazing situation, there are people who were employees of the security forces, they should have clearly said, whose orders they were carrying out, it's not some gang organization, it's the police. service security, well, in principle, if you detain people, they tell you who ordered them, but they did not say this, which means that there is no such force that would force them to reveal any information, and the security forces of ukraine do not have the ability , even after so many years, how many years have already passed, to learn about what happened, the same with sheremet, do you remember how the current president of ukraine talked about the detention of people who were accused of murdering pavel shremet, and then it was the same distrust. and

everyone said: listen, these are not these people. well, time has passed, these people have been released as far as i understand. i don't know at all whether anyone is now accusing them of murdering sheremet. again, when these people were even detained, there was also such a question, and of course, what happened? and why did they decide to kill cheremet in the first place? cheremet , unlike gongadze, is a russian journalist, belarusian, well, a person who has worked creatively in moscow almost all his life. so that's it. it is interesting for a country that is at war with russia, relations in russia, who crossed the road, if this connected with russia, there is no information, and when the next such murder occurs, what should people trust, they are already used to believing that it is absolutely all staged things, a false person, even if it is not false, we will not find out the truth about motives, and motives really no one can fully explain, as the deputy chief

of the national police says, yes, no, he is about, he is a pro-ukrainian person, his father serves in the army, he simply, what then, well, you know, this comment, he generally enough strange, he is strange, because in fact, the head of the ministry of internal affairs comes out there, other people come out, they say essentially the same thing, and supposedly this detainee speaks or does not say anything in court, then the deputy head of the ministry of internal affairs comes out ... or is it some kind of miscommunication between them , and he expressed his opinion, is this and here already in the morning even more discussions, because it turns out that some contradict others, well, that is the problem, so, well, put yourself in the place of people on whom such a flurry is poured out information on a resonant topic and they do not understand what happened, but again, i do not exaggerated the importance of this very thing. of a single

murder, i would emphasize the importance of the process, because we have an important question before us: can we keep the country in a normal state in the coming years. the years of the war, this is not a joke, you understand, because this war has been going on for as long as we can say 2.5 years in its big version, it will be 2.5 years already in august, which means that we are entering a completely new stage , and in a relatively democratic country, relative to, say, the soviet union, well, yes, because the soviet union could fight for 10 years, there was a power apparatus and... somehow all this was not the same as during the war, not the same as before and after, it is true, but one way or another it was absolutely obvious how to deal with society, if it shakes, it is absolutely not clear what to do right away, that is,

if people will, will really lose the ground under their feet, if the social situation will deteriorate, if the authorities will not be able to answer some question, if some such... resonant things will separate people, but simply with the murder of ferionts it is necessary to be clear, nothing happened, why in principle it did not become what the russians were hoping for, because everyone clearly said, yes, we condemn this murder, it's not about her political views, not about what she said, the supporters, of course, said , this is a holy person, she said such and important things, that is why she was killed, opponents said we did not agree. with what she said, but killing a person is just barbarism and crimes, the russian narrative, and the people who came to farion's funeral, they expressed some, er, agreement, with which these theses, others could not agree, but they

were all united by this, i would say, protest against terror, and that means that after that week is different, as you understand, this... this tragedy, it will simply be forgotten, because there will be a stream of other news, and it did not bring what the enemy was counting on, the destabilization of ukrainian society, that is , it was not possible to turn farion into such a victim, which was supposed to lead to such destabilization provoke some destruction. processes in society are not succeeded, so they will try to do something else, not necessarily, by the way, murder, various things that should lead to such emotions, to such moods, because in principle, after two years of war , the period begins when people begin to psychologically

to get tired, and when it is possible, without having any successes at the front, to replace these successes, let's say that you simply gnaw, as you know, these nuts from the shell, so that only emptiness remains, well, the army is standing, fighting, we have it in the first months war , many criticized the novels of erich maria post-war remarks that these novels do not help us to win, but they were novels about exactly what happens after the war, this is what... it is necessary to be aware of, reality cannot be replaced by slogans, if you do not have a motivated, strong country, then no military victories help anything, the army returns to the country doomed to collapse, and people somehow find a place for themselves, or leave this

country, even the military, or join some criminal groups, it doesn't matter, chaos, so that's exactly what russia wants to achieve, let's imagine that the russians for themselves... decided that they cannot occupy the entire territory of ukraine, but that territory, which they cannot encroach on, must become for them a territory that has been destroyed, a territory on which it will not be possible to live normally , a territory where people will be dogged by each other, because if they stop the war, even a truce is declared, a part of the territory is controlled and nothing good happens in that part of the territory, in that and that territory that they could not conquer with ... a model of success, joins the european one there union, ugh, ugh, well, why is this necessary, tell me, well, they will do everything so that this does not happen, of course they will, and in principle they should prolong the war until the moment when they say everything to themselves, with them everything is over, this is already a state that was never real, it's just somalia, and

now we can calmly end the war, and they are messing with each other there, let the west think how to get out of this situation, how to negotiate with them about joining the european union so that they never join. in nato in such a way that they never got into it, as orban said today, it is a very strong country, it is unbelievable how they are fighting so much with the russian federation, but they will not be members of the european union and nato. we will never have enough money for us to take it - orban said that now the question is not how much money they need, i am interested in ukraine becoming a member of the european union, but it means that this is a plan that has ukraine must be destroyed to the extent that there will not be enough western money for this territory to have at least some semblance of normal life, great, great approach, by the way, about negotiations, not... with the european union, but about negotiations in general, from johnson's plan to

pompeo's plan, we will talk about it, but we see that they are getting louder and louder talks about talks, kuleba is going to china, we see that prime minister modi, the prime minister of india is going to come to ukraine on august 23 supposedly, but less so if we go back to... baptized that this supposedly there is a trump plan, in fact it is a proposal plan for trump, not a trump plan, that is, let's not confuse this, as many have already confused, here is how you evaluate this plan, there mr. pompeo says that ukraine should be given a full-fledged lendlease for 500 billion us dollars, he is talking about, again , the possibility of striking on the territory of russia . well, that is, let's say a whole complex, which is really, perhaps, necessary for our country,

but which it is doubtful that will be used by trump. now, if we are talking about these plans, about votes for negotiations, about security, all these things, about the possibility of ending the war by the end of the year, you believe in the implementation of at least some of these plans and these voices, because they are so... versatile, so, so different that people are already completely confused and do not understand what we should expect by the end of the year, war by the end of the year, i do not want at all , so that we operate with categories of faith, the category of faith is god's will, no one knows it, no one knows how god, even people who believe in him, imagine justice, god's idea of ​​justice may differ from human. and only when we live to certain events, we understand what justice looks like when you somehow

combine it with faith, and we can work with you with facts, because only facts are a real opportunity to check what will happen in the following years of the war. so, first of all, the russians do not strive for any victories at all, and the minister of foreign affairs of the russian federation, sergey lavrov, after meeting with the minister of foreign affairs of the people's republic of china, wang yi, said that he does not at all... i pay attention to the words of zelenskyi and kuleba regarding negotiations with russia. russia is not going to the second or third or fourth peace summit. and russia, i think, is ready for a truce, only if this truce leads to the fact that the ukrainian leadership will accept some russian conditions. but why does russia need it? not at all for these conditions to be approved, but for destabilization. by and large, once again all the negotiations with russia for... it are an element of destabilization, that is why the russians needed the negotiations in istanbul,

so that zelensky agreed to give up the territories, and so that kyiv would be alarmed by some insurrection, as they hope, or then hoped, and it would make it easier for them to take military action. do you remember how putin said: ukrainian military, take power into your own hands, we will come to an agreement with you, what was it for, in order to provoke a military coup, so that the west does not help some tyranny that will be in kyiv. that the legitimate authorities were either expelled or shot, and again then putin could facilitate the possibility of occupying ukraine, because he would say, listen, in ukraine, in kyiv, there is a colonel petrenko sitting there, who heads the junta, and we have a legitimate president yanukovych, you see what a whole series of military coups in ukraine led to, that it is not known who is in power there, but we brought a legitimate legitimate president to kyiv, who will now announce extraordinary presidential elections, everything is fine, we will install it. first recognize donetsk,

luhansk, kherson and zaporizhzhia regions as russian territories, and then we will start talking, remember, so that i am not making anything up, remember on the screens of armenian television, on the last day of the second of the karabakh war , the prime minister of armenia, nikol pashinyan, appears, who speaks his own'. cheesemaker, we were forced to sign an agreement with the presidents of russia and azerbaijan, vladimir putin and iham aliyev, which provides for the complete withdrawal of armenian troops from the territory of nagorno- karabakh, and so on and so forth. do you remember what happened after half an hour in yelivan, mass actions, well, it is clear that they did not have great success, but they did not, because there was no alternative, but a minority, because none of the citizens in armenia wanted to, to the azerbaijani army entered yerevan, we have a slightly different situation, as you understand, it could have been in the first months of the war, and now i'm just

saying that this is exactly what they would like to bring the situation to. to mass actions against the government that betrayed ukraine, that is why they do not want negotiations, but want to create such a scenario that would facilitate their further actions. this is one moment. the second point, all these plans, whether johnson or pompeo, is an attempt to draw the attention of donald trump, because everyone is now trying to find their place next to him, hoping that he might become the president of the united states, which is absolutely not decided, it will be decided by the american people, we understand that with the appearance of kamela hardys in the election campaign, it is now not as easy for trump as it could have been, as it might have seemed before, then, when donald trump will be in the pre-election struggle with joseph biden, he might have thought that the position of president was in his pocket,

now even he does not think so, well, there are some people who are religious trumpists who are sure that he wins but the odds. as it was 50 for 50, so it is. the next point: no china, no india can be any real mediators between ukraine and russia for one simple reason. they are interested in economic relations with the russian federation. it would have cost them nothing to end this war if they had refused to trade with russia in oil, and in the case of china, not to send russian troops to supply them. factories, despite the fact that the president of ukraine says that the chinese chairman xi jinping promised that china will not supply russia with weapons, he repeated this during the negotiations with dmitry kolebo ivanni, we understand that in addition to weapons there are also components for weapons, and this is what china supplies, and this is what causes such a harsh reaction of nato, and i absolutely do not understand , why are we behaving in the wrong way, we are a country on

the territory of which these weapons kill our citizens, trying to pretend that the chinese are of no use here, mr. vitaly, but ... why did kuleba go to china then, he went, he told about the fact that these were very successful negotiations, that there are two ukrainian ones reasons, there is a chinese reason, the chinese reason is that china needs to legitimize itself as a neutral intermediary, nato says that china is helping russia, makes tough statements, the united states imposes sanctions against chinese companies, and we have nothing to do here, we generally communicate with putin, and we communicate with koleba. we are neutral, and you are warmongers who still want to limit our economic growth bastards under this sauce, and of course then we need the buffoon gonjo to show him to all western politicians, you see, he has arrived, and you say we are behind russia and we talk to the ukrainian minister and you don't, you don't talk to the russian because you want the war

to continue and we want the war to end, okay, now our wishes, well, first of all, we can't... we can't turn down a chinese offer if we're invited, because if we're told come, let's talk about peace, and we say no, then we kind of look like a country that doesn't want peace, although again- still, you can look at it differently, you can say: listen while you you have a strategic partnership with russia, as long as you supply it with equipment, we will not have a foot in china, well, the chinese are breaking diplomatic relations with those countries that establish diplomatic relations with each other. the correct position of ukraine is a matter of choice, i would do it this way, but the ukrainian leadership is doing it wrong, now again why, because we still have some strange hope that china can and india can influence russia, well, that is, in general, the global south, so the authorities of ukraine have hopes, and we see that the authorities in principle, he talks a lot about the countries of the global cock and tries

to establish relations with them, relatively speaking, so of course, we do everything possible. to establish them with the countries of the global south, and we always turn a blind eye to their contacts with russia, but in the case of israel , the situation is different, we always tell them, what do you see, you continue to have contacts with moscow there, although there are already such meetings with prem prime ministers with putin, like all djampins and umodi, are not with putin, the truth is the last sometimes, at least, but president zelenskyi did not go to israel because he understands that it can anger the global south, i don't know, by the way, what he will do if trump becomes president. because for trump this and this ignoring of israel, it will be automatic proof of disloyalty, but you already know that, then you will have to choose either trump or the global south, it will already be in the future, but it doesn't matter, it matters that ... it seems to me that our perception of diplomacy is the perception of not real chances, the perception of the picture, that is the question is quite simple: the survival of ukraine in

a long-term war with the russian federation, what is needed for this, for this we need to have money and weapons, because without money and without weapons, russia will simply turn us into its own province in a few months, which will take , what else? it is necessary that russia does not have money and weapons. who helps russia to be with money and weapons? china, india, other countries of the global south. thanks to the support of these countries, the russian federation was able to level western sanctions, and now it may not apply attention to the point of view of the united states and the countries of the european union. zim, we now want to build relations, especially with the same countries whose policies help russia to continue the war. how much can we influence theirs? economic interests no way, no way, moreover, we ourselves want to resell grain to them so that everything is stable for them, and when we cannot sell them

the grain that they need for the development of their economy, so that they can buy oil and gas from russia , we ourselves are the first to complain, so what do we want, and if we do let's go back to the issues of these visits, and kuleba and... this leads to another visit, mr. modi is to come to ukraine, information about this appeared last night, and this morning it was confirmed by a number of sources, actually indian ones, why this is for mr. modi, what is it for ukraine, and what can we derive from it, positive or negative, whether it is that, or this... can be compared with the same visit of kuleba to china, which will essentially be fruitless, fruitless meeting, well, well, of a higher level, and what about you

do you want to expect from him what he can do, i have nothing, but, but, but for something, it is called bamboo diplomacy, it is strange that the minister of foreign affairs of ukraine has not been there yet, but you can try to get him to go there to hanoi, well that is, vietnam has a strategic partnership with the united states, very good relations with china. a people's republic with all the economic conflicts, and putin goes there, bamboo diplomacy, here we host biden, here we host putin, bamboo is known to be flexible, this is bamboo diplomacy, india has a strategic partnership with the united states, we go to moscow, make our first visit, as soon as we are reassigned as prime minister, immediately to moscow, and we say that putin is our best friend, and we go to ukraine, show that we are interested in not having. war, by the way, if you ask me if i think that a rendermod sincerely wants no war, i will tell you that a person on a rendermod, and we

see it, sincerely believes that war is not a solution problems, by the way, it can him to be distinguished from sydzenpin, yes, because he is not a communist, but a right-wing statesman in political views, true, so from his point of view, issues can be resolved politically, he is a leader of electoral democracy, he... is used to fighting for power politically, rather than using the army. and then, of course, he told putin in samarkand, no one pulled his tongue, that war is not a method of solving the problem in the 21st century, not everyone will say that, putin, the more a person is interested in good relations with russia, but that he can really do nothing to influence putin, if he is interested. that putin did not finally fall into sydzenpin's arms. for him , russian-chinese cooperation is a much more serious challenge than russia's war with ukraine. because he believes that if

this cooperation deepens, it is a danger for india. and he will do everything to avert this danger. then a rather serious question arises: why does he need to go to kyiv, but this is part of his strategic partnership with the united states states? if he is a strategist. the partner of the united states shares the principles of american foreign policy, american foreign policy is connected with the need to end the war, it is in his interests, he will come, he will speak at a joint press conference with volodymyr zelenskyi, by the way, despite the fact that the president of ukraine about him personally reacted rather disapprovingly, and said that he does not understand how prime minister modi can kiss putin when putin is not shelling a children's hospital, and i do not understand either. but i'm not i don't know if i would go to visit a person who would say that about me, and prime minister modi, an experienced politician, he is coming, he cheated, well, they called our ambassador,

they told him something. but after that he swallowed it, and this basically means that he believes that this visit to kyiv will have a principled character, and by the way, also in the domestic political arena of india, because he will say, yes, we have very good relations with the russian federation, that's how i met with president putin and spoke about him about the traditional relationship between moscow and nudeli, and this relationship begins there... jovahareiro, but we are a humane country, we are a country that cannot but support women and children who die in war. our task is to come and support morally, maybe economically, maybe we can somehow help economically, somehow with humanitarian aid. but don't forget that this is the prime minister of a country that buys weapons from the russian federation, whose army primarily has a huge amount of russian weapons, and

prime minister modi when he was in moscow. agreed with president putin on speeding up the supply of weapons, and by the way, it would also be good for him to get all these weapons from him, because the weapons that putin would supply to india would not reach the russian-ukrainian front, but i think that the indian prime minister has so few chances, because we understand that now for the russian leader, the priority is uninterrupted supply to his troops, and it is clear that for him the war against ukraine is a much more important priority than relations with any yes so it will be, can modi act as a mediator between russia and india and ukraine can't, i say again, in order to end the war, we don't need mediators, we need putin to want to end it, if putin doesn't want to end it , if putin believes that time is his ally, then there is not a single politician in the world who would force putin to take a step back. there are

tools, if you don't buy oil and gas, then of course putin will end this war much sooner than he would like, but you can argue on renodzi that he doesn't have to buy russian energy carriers, if president volodymyr zelensky had such an argument, then of course we could say then that the prime minister came here for a reason, but i do not have an answer to the question of who in the world has such an argument. well, a little break, we 'll be back in a few minutes, and then of course we'll talk about the united states of america, there's, well, there's just an incredible amount of news, there's a lot of political life there, and of course there's an election going on, probably the hardest election ever many decades a few minutes and we're back, don't

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