20 m/s and, accordingly, also a storm in the sea, in kyiv, tomorrow in kyiv sometimes rain, thunderstorm, strong north-west wind, in places storm gusts up to 15-18 m/s, air temperature - still comfortable, pleasant , somewhere around 25°, well, i remind you again and again that strong magnetic storms are expected tomorrow, of course, keep a close eye on the course of magnetic storms and... well, here we go, after the big broadcast, khrystyna joined us yatskiv, so khrystyna, congratulations, andria, congratulations, yes... well,

we are starting, so today is traditional, anyway and any of our program we start with a poll if you think the farion case is solved today that's what our poll says yes if you think it's true then call us absolutely free 0821381, if you think that it is not, then call 0800. 21182 ugh, then we will move on to our guests and , of course, our discussions, yes krystyna, and for sure we will start with a topic that definitely pleased the eyes of many ukrainians, i hope that the results the works of the rebels in mali were able to admire and ukrainian soldiers who had the opportunity to meet in battle. with the so-called

wagnerites. we will remind that in the north, small tuareg rebels set fire to a column of russian mercenaries of wagner's pmk. according to the rebels , about 200 were killed, 20, sorry, mercenaries, several were taken prisoner. and according to russian sources, among the dead were the squad commander serhii shevchenko and propagandist nikita fidianin. the insurgents declared that they are ready to hand over the captured wagnerites to ukraine as a sign of support for our struggle against the russian federation. urgent military operation against the russian mercenaries, the toage rebels were able to thanks to the fact that they received all the necessary information, and not only that, informed the representative of the gur ministry of defense andriy yusov, he promised that there will be a continuation, and we understand that, in principle, the campaign to liquidate, destroy, everyone who in one way or another participated in the killing of ukrainians on purely ukrainian soil, it is unfolding, and people... who are war

criminals, military mercenaries, i think far beyond the borders of our state should be turned around, and this is very good now the representatives of the gur show, and let's say, the third hands that we actively use in order to achieve this important goal, and we already have, yes, our first guest, let's talk with him about it, mykhailo prytula, colonel of the sbu. reserve security service of ukraine, military counterintelligence expert. mr. mykhailo, we are glad to welcome you. good evening. good evening. mr. mykhailo, khrystyna has just told you about this extremely joyful, interesting, important news for our country, actually about the destruction of one of the detachments wagner group, so in the north of mali. how

do you assess, of course, that we understood that most likely it was not the work of only mercenaries, that is , we understood that it was most likely coordinated, including a special operation, probably with the involvement of ukrainian special services, as you actually assess here is this liquidation and how effective it is from the point of view of hitting the russians. mercenaries for russian private structures outside the borders of the terrorist state itself? this is, first of all, a blow to the influence of russia in the territories that it is trying to spread its influence there, including in africa, that is, it is not just a demonstrative destruction there of some number, even a small number of russian mercenaries, but it is in... precisely a blow to russian influence and

a reduction of russian influence in africa, because we we see that putin, he is trying to spread his influence on certain territories in the world, wherever he can reach. and so, since there is no serious influence of any other countries in africa, he tries to get there and get some resources from there, including diamonds, diamonds, gold, anything else, and this is a blow specifically to the image of russia, this is an image blow, and this blow is precisely to the influence of the influence of the russians on other continents, of course, this information, it spreads throughout the world and to other countries. it shows that in reality putin is not as strong as all this shows, that the wagner dudes are not as strong as they try to pretend, that is, it is primarily an image blow, because it is realistic to believe that there are 20 displaced wagnerites and several prisoners, this is a great success, well, it is

incorrect, but in terms of image, it is exactly that such a strong blow, please, mr. mykhailo, tell me, please, that it is he... it is the wagnerites, that is, the people who, as we understand, are still on the records of the russian ministry of defense, the russian army, i mean keep in mind that one way or another they are counted and taken into account as a possible force for use and were actually used in ukraine, but still the russian federation, well, somehow evades the recognition that this is absolutely legal, legalized in russia. military structure, implying that it's basically so, you know, private the initiative of the military nature of the already deceased, now prigozhina and so on, you are talking about this strike and about the attempt to disrupt the influence of the russian federation in the region,

can the wagnerites really have any influence on the region? well, friends, the wagnerites are the structure of russian intelligence. yes, well, it can be called the wagnerites, there are not wagnerites, there is something else there, it doesn't matter what they are called, russians, soviet tractor drivers once went to afghanistan to help the democratic republic of afghanistan, we remember how it ended, that is, this there may be some structures that are used by the lineages to spread their influence, that is, the main thing is not the name wagner, yes, but the main thing is that... there was a russian presence, a military presence, and it was the attack on the russian military presence on a certain continent in a certain territory, well, this same presence is not limited to some detachment of a hundred personnel there, of course, this presence is

much larger, and accordingly it is a pity, it is rather again thanks to the dissemination of this video, this information. she is enough, let's say yes, it has an image character, well , in fact, there are many more russian structures there, and they operate quite actively there, seizing quite large territories, and thus the russian influence, it is quite large there, well, how small is the whole situation, a small situation will affect we will look at the overall picture, but it is good that this is happening, that is going on, let's say, we have moved a little. russians from this, from this territory, in any case, some funding that went to russia, to international markets from these territories, it has decreased, well, since it is decreasing, well , this is already good for ukraine, again,

because certain resources are being seized there, these resources are used to finance the war, that is, in any case, it is useful for us, mr. mykhailo, and here i am already... i touched on this topic a little, what in your opinion is the role of ukraine in the liquidation of these russian persons, right? because we remember that they, among other things, held the flag of ukraine, relatively speaking, they talked about the fact that they were ready to hand over our prisoners, the wagnerites, to ukraine, yes, that is, in principles we see such a bridge, so can there really be direct or indirect participation of our state in this special operation? well, of course, if russian intelligence is working somewhere, it does not mean that

ukrainian intelligence cannot also work there, it is absolutely logical that ukrainian intelligence and military personnel are present and should be present there. vidniki, this is their parish, and they have to monitor russian influence there, reduce it, instruct and so on, this is their job, where there is russian influence, there should be ukrainian influence, and this... tide extends not only to africa, this influence should also extend to the entire territory of the russian federation, to all other territories, well, in the case, for example, if we are dealing with iran or north korea, then of course, what about ukrainian intelligence it would be difficult to reach, but the african continent, as a chaff against russian intelligence, well enough, quite a normal territory and it is quite correct that there... budanov citizens are carrying out certain measures to counter russian intelligence and russian military

structures, so this is a rather probable situation and there is nothing strange about this, it should be so, well, in general, russians should understand that ukrainian military intelligence is quite active and operates , including on the territory of the russian federation, for this they receive a salary and... everything else, because it is their work, it is the work of our patriots, and accordingly, how many budan agents there are on the territory of russia itself, it is not even known to one budavny, that is why it is not only africa alone, there are budan agents everywhere, one must understand this , and tell me, please mr. mykhailo, this informational excuse, which was thrown to us by the new york times, during a telephone conversation with the minister of lloyd austin of the usa, his russian colleague bilousov warned about ukraine's preparation

of a so-called secret operation against russia, the conduct of which could lead to increased tensions between moscow and washington. let me remind you that in principle yes, in july we already discussed a precedent, well, at least some kind of telephone conversation between the ministry of defense of the russian federation and their american counterparts. and here is the new york times shares details, allegedly it was about some... plans of ukraine, which should lead to escalation, to tension, and this could not be allowed in any way, well, i don't know your comment on this matter, because actually the information is interesting, but can we talk about the fact that we become in a certain way a game-changer in the relationship between the two hegemons, well, maybe, maybe, but what could it be, so let me ... myself, however it happens, where the russian military

intelligence could learn something about budanov's plans or the plans of ukrainian intelligence to change on the territory of the russian federation, what could it be, well, of course, this is primarily agency intelligence, and some non-agency information got to russian intelligence and they became aware of the preparation of some action, well, let's imagine what it could be. well, let's give more such, well, real versions close to the ground, for example, they suspected in intelligence, for example, that there is a source of a leak somewhere, of some information, and it is necessary to find this source of the leak somehow, well , of course, in such a case, i launch some a duck, some kind of duck, that's disinformation. they are constantly watching where she will get out, and there may be several such ducks, for example, they launch

there, ivan petra and federa, three different pieces of information, one is told to paint the kremlin in yellow-blue, the other that only lenin's mausoleum is yellow-blue color, and the third one is told that they will stick it on top of the stars, graft it, stick the yellow-blue prakt, well, okay, three pieces of information have been launched, and of course they are watching. in makselei is somewhere, well, okay, and they are looking, who understood that it is not ivan petro, not fedor, but seryoga from the neighboring department, he leaked this information, but the fact that the russians reacted in this way is not tas authorized to declare, but ee, the entire secretary of defense is authorized to call lloyd austin, well, that's how you ... this information came out , that is, it could have been just such counterintelligence information and an operation that

came out at this level, quite correct, well, let's say this, an absolutely real situation, sometimes it happens like that and it is done like that, and there is nothing here there is nothing strange or special about that, well , they burned some russian spy there, as one option, another option, it can be even simpler, let's imagine some... uh, guy who seduces some girl in ukraine, and for that, in order to lure her, he says that he is an agent of budanov, works for ukrainian intelligence and now tomorrow or the day after tomorrow he will be fired. to moscow, whether to paint the kremlin yellow and blue, well, he seems like a hero to the girl, she tells her friend somewhere in the hairdresser that she has such a guy who will shape the kremlin tomorrow the yellow-blue color on the red square, and that friend in the barber shop, she turns out to be a russian agent, and in this way the kremlin

received completely reliable information about the preparation of budanov, by budanov's agents, the formation of the kremlin in the yellow-blue cor. well , since the white-bearded woman really needs to chat with lloyd austin, to chat about nothing in fact, such information was immediately used by them in order to at least talk about something with the americans, why do the russians have this contact, mr. mykhailo, why do the russians now have this contact, if they were really looking for an excuse for it, we will remember that before the war with ukraine, russia was also j8, there was such a... they were invited, they were quite an influential force, here suddenly they turned out not to shake hands at all, that is, they became there they were lowered below the plinth, they became, well, let's say so, non-contact persons for the whole world, and now, in order to at least somehow raise their image, at least talk about something, but actually talk about nothing, because well, what can they talk about,

about , that they shine with nuclear weapons, yes, everything is known about it, where they can, they can't say anything... well, they need a topic, something for conversations in order to start some contact, let's remember 17 places of spring, in my opinion, a very brilliant film, which in for some reason he also predicted these events that are taking place, there was a conversation about how, before the death of the führer, he tried to establish separate negotiations with the americans, well , so that... this situation is not caused by the same events, it is necessary to somehow establish contacts with americans, and everyone cares about that, and there is bilovusov, who came to the post of minister of defense, he has to somehow talk with the americans, of course, with tidal power, but they are repeating the ways of their predecessors, what can we say, enough,

enough expected situation, one more topic, mr. mykhailo, about which i would like to hear your professional opinion and assessment, this is the murder of iryna farion, in fact, there are many opinions among the expert community, but there are also such opinions expressed by the security service of ukraine that the murder of farion may actually be the russian federation is involved, ot in particular. let's hear what first deputy head of the security service of ukraine serhiy andrushchenko said about this. regarding the involvement of the specified person , a complex of measures is being taken, and we are studying his connections on the territory of ukraine and abroad, and one of the versions is the involvement of the special services of the aggressor country in the organization of the specified

crime. at the same time, we look at different situations and different evils by using a beard. which were committed on the territory of ukraine and the involvement of the specified person is possible. mr. mykhailo, or in your opinion, such a position and such a version have the right to exist, and whether the occupying state can be involved in the murder of iryna farion, in fact, even from a point of view, whether directly or indirectly. not only to eliminate a famous linguist, but from the point of view of shaking up the situation inside our country? maybe, i would like this topic, well , not to comment much in view of my expert position, because, well, there is no need

to harm the work of the security service of ukraine, that's all i can say, let it work, uh, uh... sir mykhailo, we are today interest, that's fine, then let 's approach, for sure, a more global question, the interest of the russian federation in destabilizing the internal situation in ukraine right now, but if we proceed from this thesis, what can this mean, what position of the russian federation can this indicate? friends, the russian federation used, uses and will use any means to destabilize the situation inside ukraine. it was 100 years ago. years, 300-400 years ago it was always like this and will be like this as long as the russian federation is alive, it will destabilize the situation in ukraine and the restive countries, including in europe,

they cannot do good, they do bad, and therefore for this they can commit any crime and remove any people, so friends, well, what can we talk about here , if there is a leader of public opinion, iryna kharion, then one must... understand that the russians can use it to shake society. ugh. well, i have my own opinion, i just wouldn't use it in this case, but we have to understand that they can be, can use anyone. well, in this case, there was information that they wanted to eliminate not only farion, but also one more, let's say, controversial one. uhu, that is, to polarize the situation in society in any way, maybe they tried to do it this way,

there will be no more comments, i just don’t want to, by the way, if we continue to talk about destabilizing the situation, yes, trying to undermine ukraine from the inside, then there are still a number of events that indicate this, and in particular. this is also indicated by the security service of ukraine, it is military cars that came under fire, they happen almost everywhere, kyiv, that is, acts of aggression against the military and property, which looks like, let's listen to what the security service of ukraine says about it, and then we will move on to the discussion. working under the guise of courier delivery, those involved on their own scooters went around the city, where they set the addresses of the parking lots of defense forces' cars. they then sent photos of potential targets to their russian curator for approval. teams from the fsb of moloviki

arrived at the parking lots of military vehicles at night, they were doused with a flammable mixture and set on fire. then the participants filmed the fire for reporting to the aggressor. in particular, mr. dykhtyarenko has just announced the detention of six. savages who, on the order of the russian federation, the russian special services, set fire to the cars of the defense forces in odesa, and, as i said, there are actually many such cases, and they are spreading in almost all regions, all parts of our country. mr. mykhailo, in the context of this, it fits into this... this same concept, this same wave of destabilization, at least attempts to destabilize the situation in ukraine by the russian special services?

well, i don't think that this situation is exactly complex in terms of destabilizing, some department came up with a theme and began to work it out through disposable agents, that is, of course, that all these guys who did... execution were used, they got a certain salary, most likely, but no one was interested in their fate, they did it once, they received a thousand dollars there, for example, or maybe less, everything and fate is of no interest to anyone in principle, so it is one-time agents, such a class of agents that is used once as a condom, but they were used and thrown away, and the unit that sits and selects such initiators, well, it works well enough. well, professionally, i can say, if these processes are going on throughout the country, is this unit thinking about some global topic, well, hardly, well, it is not their

competence, the global topic of destabilization, but somewhere in there, the higher headquarters can use the fact that this is a successful special operation. they put stars on their epaulettes there, thanks to these not very smart guys, yes it is happening, that is, i don't think that it is there... such a global topic, it is simply cheaper for them to destroy the car directly on the territory of ukraine, at the expense of one-time agents, than to try to destroy it there on the front line. ugh. thank you, mr. mykhailo, for your opinion. mykhailo prytula, a colonel of the reserve security service of ukraine, an expert in military counter-intelligence, was in touch with us about sensitive and interesting issues related to russian aggression against ukraine, we talked about them in this part of our program. .. let's continue talking now with our next guest, but before that i 'll remind you that today we're asking you, do you think the farion case is solved? if so, please call us

toll-free from... on 0800-211-381, if you think no, it's not open, then 0800-211382. i emphasize once again, all calls are free, to the topic of the murder of irina farion, we will return with andriy in the second part of our program, and we have the next guest, valery romanenko, aviation expert, leading researcher of the state aviation museum, mr. valery. we are glad to have you welcome to the live broadcast of the espresso tv channel. yes, good evening. mr. valery, probably the first topic we will discuss with you is, of course, ukrainian attacks on russian, including military objects. on july 27, and until july 27, of course, the drones of the ukrainian intelligence service

carried out massive attacks almost every day. i would already say that there were really massive strikes on the territory of the occupier of russia, but what is interesting: on july 27 , an unprecedented strike took place. according to the data of the main intelligence agency, ukrainian forces struck long-range tu-22 strategic bomber, i will remind our viewers that these are the bombers from which the kh2 22 missiles are launched, which are among the most deadly for our country, for our objects, both civilian and military infrastructure. well, also on this day, and in particular on previous days, we observed strikes on other racist airfields. well, in particular, on july 27 , there were strikes on engels. gilyaevo and along

yagilivo, i'm sorry, and of course the oil refineries, as they say, this is not even discussed. what does this indicate mr. valery, that we are really moving to daily, massive attacks and that ukrainian drones can now strike, in fact more than a thousand targets, we can already see below 200 km, right? well, if we got to the... airfield, and we got to the airfield, yes, then the distance is already 1,850 km, you know, like a jump at the olympics, yes, it is already recorded, that's all, it's already a historical record, so well we are waiting for the next ones, and this already shows that in the european part the russians have no places where they could reliably hide their aircraft, the only thing they

it remains to clean up the bombers to their second base of strategic aviation near the city of seryshevo in the amur oblast , damn it, well, once upon a time officers were sent there for drunkenness, for morale and for others, so to speak, but now for what they are doing is their very way to this base, where makar did not drive the calves, thus clarifying a small question, mr. valery. and what do you think, from elenia now the russians will be forced to redeploy their tu-95, tatu 22, well, for now they are based there, we see, yes, but you and us we remember the story with engels, so in 2023, more precisely at the beginning of the 23rd year, what do you think the russians will do now, redeployment again, no,

there will be nothing special, in general it's... redeployment, it's just a flight of planes for service at their main base, they were on the deer, so they will remain, because they did not hit any tu-95 there, uh, in general, they hit the deer, this is the base, there is the 40th mixed aviation regiment, where there is only one squadron such planes are 22m3, but there is only one there from the bases, yes. of the russian strategic aviation, that is why a bomber, tu-95 ms bombers were temporarily transferred there from engels, well, maybe some of them will be transferred, as i said, to seyerushevo in the amur region, and there so that there would be less, because in general the russians have the number of missiles that they are for...