absolutely right, as far as demobilization is concerned, you know, i think my position is, i think that putting a limit on service, it's not called a one-time demobilization vote, but putting a limit on service i think is critically necessary: ​​people shouldn't buy a ticket in one the end, people should know that they are winning back their own, then they will be replaced, and no matter how long this war lasts then, even if it is the same bearish 10 years, but you will return home, and you will be replaced by the one who was with you at that time ... but there is a certain sequence here, first we need to make sure that we really ensured demobilization, and then it is possible and necessary to ensure demobilization of our defenders, because this flagrant injustice of this war has not yet been corrected, that those people who went to defend us back in 22- this year, they, they will protect us now, well , it seems that until the end of the war, or until they are over, but in the meantime there are no guarantees that we... will not take a sufficient

number to replace them. the verkhovna rada took the first small step towards home mobilization, this actually streamlining military accounting, and even this step alone has already produced very serious results, very positive results. to be honest, more than i expected, because by and large these laws themselves, which are considered mobilization laws, there is nothing about mobilization, there is only the regulation of military records, but it turned out that even this has already worked and strengthened it very seriously. mobilization processes, now it is necessary to take the next few steps, and in particular, in my opinion, it is necessary in a package to vote, the maximum term of service and the criminalization of evasion of registration, which in our country still remains service forever, and evasion of military registration still remains as an administrative offense, so these two things must be voted on in the package: the maximum term of service and the criminal penalty for evasion.

to serve, because they know that it is not forever, ours continues to work, people continue to walk peacefully , the defenders begin to return, and this does not lead to the collapse of the front and other threats that stepanchuk is talking about now. thank you sir evgeny, thank you for the conversation, it was yevhen dyky, a veteran of the russian-ukrainian war. friends, yuriy lutsenko will be on our air in literally 5 minutes, i suggest you watch it. in the meantime, a small plot about how world politicians are trying to compete in proposals for peace plans for ukraine and incitement to negotiations with russia, whose project can ensure real peace in ukraine, our correspondents figured out, let's see. if china is not going to the peace summit, then kuleba is going to china. visit of the ukrainian minister of foreign affairs to... jov dlya

came as a surprise to many. in june, china defiantly ignored an invitation to a peace summit in switzerland. nato openly accuses russia of supporting russian aggression, and the united states threatens it with sanctions. however, in ukraine they understand that china is too big and influential to take offense at it, or to ignore it. the visit of a ukrainian official at such a level is the first in... many years, and this is good, it is a clear signal that china supports the territorial integrity and sovereignty of ukraine. and what the leader told me was also confirmed xi jinping told china that china will not supply weapons to russia. dmitry kuleba was invited to guang-zhou by the minister of foreign affairs there, the second person in the chinese hierarchy after xi jinping. the conversation lasted more than three hours,

the people's republic of china continues to call russian aggression a ukrainian crisis, but once again expressed its readiness to help achieve peace, specifically peace, not a truce, dmytro kuleba emphasized. i spoke about the importance of a just peace, not just any peace, and my chinese colleague himself added that a just and lasting, this is very important, because usually it is... we keep saying that the peace should be permanent, that is, lasting and just. but what does a just peace mean for china. the cause of the war is officially named by pakin as the expansion of nato to the east. his peace proposals essentially equate the victim and the aggressor. the heavenly father is not going to give up the strategic partnership with russia, but rather that china is the only country that has real influence on the kremlin, and therefore ukraine and the west.

would like to see paki at the second peace summit preparation for which is already underway. negotiations will not make sense if the russians conduct them as they did before. undermining the terms of surrender, but without russia and china at the table , there really will be no peace negotiations. china could play the role of a major global player, which it undoubtedly is in the economy, in finance, but perhaps no longer in the policy of forcing peace. china's position as a potential mediator is further strengthened against the background of the dramatic and unpredictable american election, which weakens the united states and frightens its allies. president joseph biden's refusal to run for office. kamala harris, it is expected that if she wins, the white house will generally continue the current course regarding ukraine. but

harris herself is a person without experience in international affairs and will probably rely entirely on her advisers. andriy yeermak already had a telephone conversation with the key diplomat philip gordon, the head of the president's office, according to the wall street journal, according to the wall street journal , there is unlikely to be a place for the main appointees of president biden in the garis administration, in particular secretary of state anthony blinken, defense secretary lloyd austin and national security adviser jake sullivan. so will the level of support be at least the same as under president biden, who had a special attitude towards ukraine. question. no answer on the other hand, donald trump. he promises to end the war in 24 hours, and claims to have his own peace plan. politico previously reported that his team seems to be seriously considering the version of the agreement with the kremlin, which provides for

territorial concessions to ukraine and its refusal from joining nato. after a meeting with trump on the sidelines of the republican party convention, the ex-prime minister of great britain. vorys johnson published his version of the peace plan in the tabloid newspaper the daily mail, there about increasing military support for ukraine, intentions to push russia to the borders on february 24 , and measures to protect the rights of russian speakers in ukraine to help putin save face. finally , the us secretary of state in the trump administration , mike pompeo, and david urban, the head of... a lobby close to the republicans, presented their version companies, they claim, the way to peace lies through force, which means that it is necessary to strengthen military support for ukraine, remove all bans on strikes deep into russia, lower world oil prices in order to weaken the economy

of the russian federation and, ultimately, accept ukraine into nato. which of these plans is really trump's plan? it is unlikely that even trump himself knows this today. he is an impulsive person. and unpredictable, which means that his victory will create both new opportunities and great risks for ukraine. president zelenskyy called me, we had a good talk, and i said that we should finish this war you are dealing with the russian war machine, all they do is wage war. they defeated hitler, defeated napoleon. the spring offensive never happened. the russians have millions of shells and... tanks, many russians were killed, but many ukrainians were also killed, this should not have happened. are ukrainians themselves ready for possible negotiations? a survey conducted by the razumkov center in june, commissioned by the mirror of the week publication, showed that 44% of ukrainians

believe that the time for peace talks has come. while 35% do not agree with this opinion, but this is tylo's opinion. sociologists do not know what the front is thinking, the defense forces continue to make incredible efforts to restrain the enemy so that, if the time for negotiations really comes, ukraine would be in the strongest possible position. we continue to work live on the tv channel, as well as on our youtube and facebook platforms. i would like to remind you that today , friends, we are conducting a survey and we are asking you about whether it is time for negotiations. and ukraine, because today he is the president of finland said that it is time to negotiate, here we ask you, friends, what do you think, should we negotiate now or not with russia, what is the most important thing, so if you vote on youtube, yes, no, if you have there is a separate, separate

opinion, please leave it in the comments under the video, if you vote by mobile or smartphone 0.800-211-381 that the time has come for negotiations, no 0800 21. 382 that it is not yet time for negotiations between ukraine and russia. and today we have as a guest yuriy lutsenko, ukrainian politician and statesman, captain of the armed forces forces of ukraine, former general. prosecutor and former minister of internal affairs of ukraine. i congratulate you, yuriy vitalivych. how would you answer the question, is it time for negotiations between russia and ukraine? no, it hasn't arrived. to date, ukraine does not have such decisive positions that could lead to negotiations in ukraine's interest. in general, the constant conversation and announcement of negotiations with russia, from my point of view, only strengthens the position of russia. i do not rule out that there will be negotiations, because any war ends with negotiations, i i understand that only the president, by virtue of his

information, who collects the economic, social, human resource, external resource, and military resource situation, can make such a decision, but at the same time he should explain the red lines to the nation, i remember i understand how zelenskyi has constantly denied and, by the way, feels the need to sign minsk, but at the moment when 50,000 regular russian troops entered ukraine, our general staff gave president poroshenko a certificate that we have 15,000 combat-ready units plus welfare, respectively poroshenko included diplomacy, but as a result of the minsk agreements, please note, russia did not receive a single meter of ukrainian land, russia was unable to limit the armed forces by any number or equipment, and they went missile. program, and ukraine was not restricted from joining nato or any other

military, well, it was written in the constitution, and now in istanbul we saw what another agreement could be, a 2.5- fold reduction in the number of armed forces, a ban have equipment and weapons that shoot more than 40 km, neutral status, nato ban, and even military maneuvers with the permission of russia. i'm not talking about the humanitarian. pro-russian policy, so look, from my point of view, if the president is constantly talking recently about the need for negotiations about readiness for them, it seems to me that he should address the nation and say that at the same time we will not surrender any territory, we will not recognize any of our russian territory, we will not limit the armed forces either numerically or technically, and we will not take away from ukraine its sovereign right to conclude military and political alliances with whomever we we want, even from cape verde. which our president loved so much at peace forums, eh, but, to be serious, we are now

at the peak of a critical situation for us, the fact is that the politically motivated mobilization, which was started since last year, if you remember, back at zaluzhnye, and then at syrsk, it just happened now, and the fighters have to go through five-week primary training courses, there are two... three, sometimes four weeks left, the russians know this, and all their advantage, which they have in numbers composition, 550 thousand years, and complete dominance in the air, and a tenfold advantage in shells, they have now thrown to break through our front in these two or three weeks. due to the fact that my comrades are located near pokrovsk, the front passes 14 km from this key city, the route from pokrovsk for hours, well, through konstantinivka. the enemy is 5 km away, so now is a critical moment, and from my point of view

, the president should not address peaceful wishes, but address the nation with serious words. for example, on monday all the children of my team, deputies, ministers, all equal, must be at the central committee, 10:00, all the deputies on the list must be at the central committee at 11:00, the list will go up. i understand that this will not increase the strength of the armed forces, but it will increase the spirit of the common cause. when the politician, the political class and the army are united in their tasks and live the same life and the same problems. i believe that those who remained in the civil service in the ministries, 50% have armor from mobilization, should receive the minimum salary. not enough for the front, there are 100,000. do you want to go to the front? 7 thousand of the minimum wage? i i apologize, because serhii leshchenko, a member

of the supervisory board of ukrzaliznytsia, who has 242 hryvnias, seems to me to be making less than any soldier at the front, or the head of ukrposhta, who receives, according to the latest data, 2 million hryvnias a month, or a prosecutor who receives, well, such an average level, which receives 50-60 thousand, a soldier in the rear 30, let me remind you. or a people's deputy who receives 50,000, and two more assistants 50 each, it also seems to me that this is not entirely correct, and not because this money will save the budget, but because then there will be a war ... everyone, and paski has to tighten the political class, instead of going on vacation, on the second day the minister of finance declares that we do not have enough half a trillion money to finance the armed forces of ukraine, and it seems to me that the president should fight this now, by mobilizing society, real mobilization, spiritual mobilization, when everyone is fighting without exception, and in the end

put an end to the problems that have arisen now. i often visit my brothers, well , after all, my relatives, and they say, listen, if the army lived by the laws of the rear, we would have lost the war in the 22nd year, well look, it turns out that it is possible, the servants adopted a law stating that it is possible to simply pay the amount of the bribe and redeem yourself in a case of corruption for someone caught for a bribe, but after surrendering. that's exactly what was removed, before, it was the correct mechanism, i returned 1.5 billion bucks to the state, because one of the members of an organized criminal group, handed over all the schemes, how the money was spent, who was behind it, and that's why his apartment was taken away, a car and a small deposit in the bank, he received three conditionally, but the state received 1.5 billion dollars, is it zlochevsky or who, no, it is not enough

a well-known character, he was the accountant of 500 enterprises that took money out of ukraine and knew where... it all lies, and so we returned this money, and now there is no need to turn anyone in, you just need to pay one bribe, for which you were caught and calmly to live, and now to transfer this rule to the front, that is, a soldier does not want to attack a landing or defend his landing, he simply pays and leaves the neighboring one, what kind of war would it be, so aren’t the conditions of war in the rear and, well, principles the same? is there not enough, or , for example, no one here wants to ban fs branch. which is called the russian orthodox church, well, they are simply lying on their chests so that the law developed a year and a half ago by the green cabinet on behalf of its president, should not be voted on in the second reading. if we go by this analogy, then soldiers, for example, can safely legalize the fsb at the front and say that there is no need to eliminate them, well, in principle, we are all human. what kind of accusation was it, or

take any other manifestations, for example, a bribe. that's all, now it is necessary to check the quality of fortification cases once again postpone this one situation at the front, if a soldier who left his section of the front calmly came on the second day and demanded a medal for the fact that he exists at all, because without him, like yuriytavych, the concept of justice is such a relative concept and does not have a clear definition, this is a universal concept, no one knows what it is,

but everyone feels it, yes, but look, why does the current government not feel where there is justice, where there is no justice? because , from my point of view, the authorities are detached from the real situation in the country, otherwise it is impossible to explain what is happening, i am sure i repeat myself a little on the air, but this question bothers me, but i arrive and such a junior officer of one of the units says to me: yurichka, don't you understand that the lives of my... soldiers do not depend in any way on the decisions of the supreme commander-in-chief and the simple commander-in-chief , i say, how is that? he says: because in reality we do not receive anything from them apart from orders and paper reports, their lives depend on whether i am the company commander and my platoon commander begs money from my compatriots, relatives and fellow villagers or from my community on the fpv and the workers, because i won’t get them from the state, their

lives are protected only by them, i tell him, look, i saw how 50 fpvs passed from the ministry of civil affairs in one... unit, they are not of very good quality, we still need to work with them , but saw, he says: yes, i know that, they come there, but i can't buy this fpv, and i can't buy these guys, because they are not certified, and the cities can't buy, they give money to us in our brigade, the brigade wants to buy, but the ministry of defense does not allow it either, because they are not certified, and the certification takes four months and bribes at every step, well, someone has to do this... in the country, but when you ask why there are two parallel wars, the one we see on the marathon screen and the one that is in reality, it is because they eh... they read only the victory reports, yes, my heart also warms when our drones drove the black sea fleet into a corner of the black sea. yes,

i am pleased when russian oil depots are burning, but it seems to me that at the same time the question must be asked, what is the set of troops, and if it is, well, let's say, not complete, i am to put it mildly, then there is no need to tell from a single marathon that we have 14 fully equipped new brigades, they do not have such. weapons, so maybe just fill the existing ones, especially since there are fired guys who will train the young, if you have a billion for drones, a billion dollars for drones, then please buy just for 20 million dollars a reb that will close the whole front, the whole front, bukovel, aypet, it doesn't matter, and then it won't rain on our soldiers' heads, well, these are simple things that you can ask, in the end with... you know which the state defense order that the army needs, well, everyone knows that, is developed at the end of each year and executed the following year, who is responsible for this schedule, where is

this schedule, who are these persons, how, what is the percentage of fulfillment, someone is punished, someone is rewarded, but it's moving, we have it all chaotic, it all depends on how the engineers develop some cool new weapon, find a cool unit that is willing to test it, then on... they get a businessman, a sponsor to finance it, and all that between with all the obstacles that the ministry of defense has built in terms of the documentation of these weapons, well, this is the third year of the war, well, it can’t be like that, conclusion, at this moment we have a separate armed forces, which reminds me more and more of an armed maidan, this is the same maidan, which by itself now your words will get into this monitor. news will be read in the president's office, they will remind you about the armed maidan, look, i don't mean the revolution, everyone knows that i am a staunch opponent of any political actions, especially during the war, during

war, but this is the atmosphere of the maidan, when strangers gave their lives for each other and gave everything they could so that the maidan would achieve a common goal, the same is true now in the war, complete strangers have become brothers and sisters, yet all their acquaintances are mobilized by common tasks and all this happens. on the horizontal, and there is a separate vertical, that vertical, which has colossal money, sets huge fantastic tasks, which does not control the arrival of these tasks to the trenches, which created a paper not the ninth, the 29th shaft of papers and reports, this is separate life, fortunately, the armed maidan is such a self-sufficient combat unit of the ukrainian people, which has always survived without... its state, that it wins even under these conditions, but if we really want to win with less blood, then the state in the end finally , the pathos of victory celebrations and coffee in yalta must be stopped

because the government, because the state is a broader concept of power, agrees and must mobilize the state to serve the armed forces, with all the resources of the state, with all the help of international partners, to help. zsu, so far, unfortunately, these two worlds are very rare intersect in military practice. if this does not happen, and these two worlds will not intersect, what is the threat to ukraine? we will win, but with much more blood, the whole problem of this war, because sooner or later we will win, sooner or later we will restore our territorial integrity and sovereignty, but from the concerted work ... the management of the war, if i may say so, there is a price war, and if i'm sorry, someone can't find 20 million dollars, despite the fact that, for example, 2

billion euros simply disappeared and did not protect the energy industry, and this could close the entire line front, so that our soldiers are not snared by all these fpivishkas, drones, halls, superkams and all this cholera, well, the price will be more, but we are all the same, you yuriytoch, i wanted to ask you about the case of irina farion, because you were once the minister of internal affairs and the prosecutor general of ukraine, the ministry of internal affairs caught the suspect in the murder of iryna farion, they said that vyacheslav zinchenko is the person who is suspected of the murder, that this case has been solved, the suspect in the murder of farion himself denies guilt, let's let's hear what he says. i didn't do anything, no, i didn't do anything, can i ask a little more interesting question, what do you want to hear from the question. what did you do there,

nothing, it's not me, he says, it's not me, they caught this guy, he's 18 years old, he says, it's not me, in your opinion and in your opinion, from what you know, that you can say about this case and about the suspect, in the first hours of this murder i believed and to this day i believe that this case was organized by the fsb, it is in the same vein as the case of the murder of journalist gangadze, right... sheremet sheremet, by the way, her anniversary was literally the next year after the murder of panion, the murder of a former journalist in kherson, the murder of the russian deputy voron-kov, if i'm not mistaken, in kyiv, etc. and despite the fact that some of these revealed murders were carried out by the hands of ukrainian, often activists, ato, right-wing movements, it was

an order of the fsb, why? russia? cannot seriously advance on the battlefield, well , i apologize, for a year and a half i have already been discharged from the army, and the battles are being fought where i finished, kordyumivka, oleksandrivka under time ravine, they traveled 14 km from bakhmut to time ravine, that's all, and from avdiyivka this year they traveled as much as 30 km, so they can't defeat us on the battlefield and that's why they're trying to blow us up from the inside, they count on what's around murders of political... figures whom many love and many hate, a domestic ukrainian war will begin, which has always led us to lose military victories. fortunately, ukrainian society has become so mature that it understands this, and even those who had very difficult, to put it mildly, relationships on his own, he expressed his sympathy and some positive words about her goals in life. you can agree with the methods, you can not, i,

for example, do not agree, but the goals were ukrainian. now, in terms of specifics, i think that a good word can be said about the lviv opera houses, it was the lviv operatives who conducted the interrogations, filmed the video cameras, from the screenings they understood that the guy was sitting in the yard, dressed like a parrot, so bright, but there were screenings about , that he left the yard and changed into a black t-shirt, while... he was tracked by video cameras, the bus, the exit to terminal, the entrance to the housing estate where he lived, er, apartments for rent, realtors, the phone from which the apartment was called, from the same phone, as far as i know, the gun was paid for, the sports one converted into a combat one, and the operas did their job , they took the person and most importantly the phone, now

it is up to the detectives to do their job. investigators have to find the gun and tie it to the shooter, because it's really not a fact that this guy did the shooting. maybe he was just distracting with his bright armor, and now he talks about it in such rude words in court, or maybe he shot, dropped the gun, knowing that he would not be found and is playing this game. how it will depend on the actions of operatives and detectives, but i didn't... say about the phone, from what they show us in the ministry, there is active activity in the phone within the ultra-right, or rather, pseudo-ultra-right nationalist electronic, let's say, networks, i report you that after the start of the war in ukraine, about two hundred similar sites were created by the efforts of the fsb. and when i talk about good words

about the lviv opera houses, i can't say the same about the service that has to control these electronic e-e points of production and zombification, well, let's say, immature personalities, this is the task of the security service of ukraine, their cyber intelligence had them calculate, if he cannot close, then introduce his agency there and know everything that is being prepared by these recruitment centers. and fsb bombings. unfortunately, this was not done. if sergey, you will ask me why? so you know this answer, that's why that this unit was busy monitoring journalists, anti-corruption officers, filming female journalists in saunas, and other things, and slightly neglected its main state task. and serious conclusions must be drawn from this. that's all i can say about this case. well, in my memory, such political...