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the news, good health, ladies and gentlemen, my name is mykola veresin, sharp presentation facts and competent opinions. for example, if mykola veresin had done so, he would have gone to prison, a special view on events in ukraine, so it is not necessary to say that the fish rots from the head, no, not from the head, and beyond its borders, then who is china , me, my heart hurts, all this in the informational marathon with mykola veresny, saturday 17:10, sunday 18:15. on espresso: we are back, the rules are the same, you donate, and we ask our informed guests about the most important things, about what is worth knowing, and this is the barter, i hope everything will be in favor of our country. serhii tomilenko is in our studio, head of the national union of journalists of ukraine, mr. serhii, glory to ukraine, we congratulate you, glory to the heroes, good morning, and let's start with this information. during the war and

let's start, this morning roman and i started the issue with something from the 16th, of course, because late yesterday evening and all night there was just a flurry of messages, bloomberg, the times, then the new york times, everyone started writing about it, for example, in the comments we read messages: why are you talking about this, and how do you know where these f-16s are flying and similar things. we understand that, on the one hand , the informational silence was sustained, because information was simply not provided, there was no good time to make it public, when it is, everything seems to be at the wrong time, how to work correctly, so as not to harm yourself the state? well, actually, here of course the topic of the f-16 is, first of all, i think that the majority of the audience, the majority of ukrainians, may be certain. no, no, no, he does not understand how

such planes, fighters, etc. work, but this has already become a symbol of such powerful protection and hope for resistance to the invaders, and therefore this topic is really overheated, or it causes a huge resonance in society, but it is a question of information hygiene, i think that once again it is necessary to advise both viewers and everyone, and journalists to rely on verified sources, and if and again to submit, then use them. .. again, by those sources who are responsible, or at least who are exactly on the topic, and not those who are generally outside the process and can invent something, so now, of course, everyone's attention is focused, because this is a powerful defense and hope for the protection of ukraine, but at the same time here again we are waiting for official statements of ukrainian officials, but on the other hand, we also understand that for the world media... this is again just one of

the high-profile news, they may not fully calculate that this may have certain problematic consequences for them consequences for ukraine, it may be annoying. russia will also be strengthened, they just look at it as a very high-profile news that they have to publish, and all this has been carried away, so here again, i think that ukrainian journalists and ukrainian editors, they, well, i think that they are more responsible than the international media in reporting the news, but mr. sergey, we understand that this is the first such digital online war, with the application of a huge number of achievements, do you want an artificial one? they will do it all to you, that is why it is very, very easy to manipulate the rules for the introduction of information activities for journalists, as there are no such consolidated ones, because we are in a unique war, and even israeli experience will not be able

to help us much here, while we have one side, here we are with oksana, we are faced with this, there is a kind of self-censorship, you understand that don't let it god, if you say something very precise, geolocation, some parameters, the enemy will use it. censorship itself might be good in this case, if it were not accompanied by a complete distortion of reality at huge expense, that is, a psychedelic thing that costs us billions from our budget, called a single telethon, it could be studied by those who studied other methods mass bleeding of consciousness, what to do with it? well, actually, when we talk about a television marathon, of course, on the one hand, we all understand... we have the origins of the marathon, as the fact that in the times, the first days of the great panic, there was a request for a single voice of the country's leadership in order to understand how to save, how to rebuild, but now i agree with you that the tasks that were set before the marathon they are absolutely

no longer relevant, because in fact, no matter how sad it may be to say it, but all of us ukrainians have already gotten used to living in conditions of risk, in conditions of war and... accordingly, here we must warn that there is a certain marathon, which will be able to reassure the information, then it is already him does not comply, so i agree with you that it is difficult to talk about the fact that everyone should work according to the rules and about some general public good at a time when there is a large media that adheres partially, well not that partially, which feels a certain political influence. from the authorities, and therefore our position, at least from the national union of journalists of ukraine to the authorities, we call on both the government and the authorities to pay attention, they can develop and support the television marathon, as they do, at least, but at the same time they should implement certain mechanisms of support for all the media

that are used as sources of information, that is, do you think that you would be better off asking them to reformat it somehow, or would it be easier to direct these funds to completely... other projects, look, that's a matter of discussion, but if, at least as an intermediate option, we believe that in times of war, when there is still a major economic crisis that destroys the economic basements of all media, regional, local, internet media, media, private broadcasters and others, then we believe that the state has develop some support options all types of media that are consumed by ukrainians, and then it will be somehow more clear , the role is a marathon and there is, accordingly, another field, for today, when we look at what... a third of the editorial office, a third of the media, according to our expert estimates, they have died in ukraine , have closed down, if we are talking about regional, local, or others, they are all barely surviving in general, and accordingly they do not feel any support, and it turns out that on the one hand the media continues to fulfill its

great mission, but in times of war, the editors, journalists, and this is resistance to enemy propaganda, and it is informing about important events, it is inspiring ukrainians. and this is the coverage of the exploits of our heroes, but it comes out as if autonomous, it is, as it were, a mega huge informational volunteerism, despite the fact that there is a marathon that is absolutely not voluntary, which, accordingly , is supported, and accordingly does not give ukrainians the opportunity to have access to alternative information , provides, because it seems to me that it is precisely thanks to the continuation of what they said, we gave the budget for the 24th year, that means i will master... it is with this kind of activity that they push people into telegram-channel space, and at the same time all ukrainians know that 50% of the subscribed channels they subscribe to are lying, manipulating, but they continue to read it because they were mocked, well, i agree with you that it’s still the same, media consumption in fact

, it is voluntary by and large, a person now turns on the button, watches espresso, or watches, chooses another tv channel, or switches to telegram or something else, but if he really is aggressive. but the state imposes a certain media as consumption and, accordingly , once again access restrictions occur somewhere access to information, access there to the front, access to level. high-level sources of information, it can still cause, well , it causes every consumer there to want to find an alternative or check, respectively, because telegram technologically it offers all the alternatives, then people go there, but they are not ready to really resist then or to be specialists with some kind of counter-propaganda, the alternative is not always formed, you say a person chooses, for example, espresso, well... they cannot always choose, and in this case espresso, if they they, we are not in the t2 digital network, it is not possible

that you are an alternative, but it is much more technologically complicated, because in fact , because you cannot provide access to your audience through a technological mass access platform, which is the t2 digital platform , which should be and provide services to you and other channels, which in fact. and if you ordered this service, but now you are restricted, then i agree that you are an alternative, but it is for advanced, digital users, or who are willing to invest a lot of time to find information, but it is still this decision, the national union of journalists considers it legal or illegal, that is, the war will end, it will be possible to blame it on the war, or someone will bear the responsibility of the journalists of ukraine for this, we have repeatedly accepted statements, we are in solidarity with your team, we are in solidarity. with international observers, who again today we call on the authorities to give an explanation

for the things that are, because today there are no explanations that would correct, well, either this, or this is national security, but these are, respectively , certain bodies, or this is a violation or other, and on today it turns out, it all boils down to the fact that certain business entities that are supposed to output this signal, they do not provide the output of the signal, but there really is no order or other legal basis, mr. sergey, we understand that there are three, three ways, and receiving information, and they all do not involve the same processing of information, journalists, we work, we know, we need sources, we need to check, verify, especially in times of war, there are bloggers, they do not bear any responsibility, but they have millions of subscribers , and there are also drainage bot farms and telegram channels, and in this case, when... the state should, at a minimum, show during the war how to work with the correct

information, for official various events, those who do not like it in the banking sector are not accredited, but the trucha is coming and other drain tanks come, officially sit in the first row, what to do with it, well, look at it, do the same question, now we see that, well, there are no solutions, officials, they start acting exclusively like politicians , looking for maximum benefit, maximum access to the audience, etc., and indeed the power in this way, by inviting illegal media, unregistered media, quite often anonymous media, or when very rarely anyone can know who really stands, who is the owner, who is responsible for the editorial policy, then the government in this way, well, legitimizes these media, it invites, looking for influences, because he also considers that this is a variant of use, as a platform

for delivering his, as if pro-government , political information of some kind, but this is a path, it is a very dangerous path, because it is still like a deal with the devil, that is, now we, we think that we use reprimands as a means of conveying this information, but on the other hand , it increases the level of trust in that information garbage, which is also a component of these platforms, and therefore... for today, i think that, again, it is necessary , we lack any public statements from people in power that they respect professional journalists, that they respect professional journalism . communicated with our colleagues from the european federation journalists, which actually infuriated them, or at that moment was very impressive. that the president-elect, the first public interview at the request of everyone, everyone, all the media there is, gave

a tesla car, you remember he was driving in a car and he was like talking into a microphone somewhere, but it was presented as an interview tesla car, which was broadcast by all traditional media, and in this way, we are talking about journalists, and a little earlier we still remember this period, when some media were closed due to the fact that, for example, the zeek tv channel was closed , because the zik tv channel is what was, because what was the information, because it was all russian propaganda, medvedchuk media literally and everything, and this happened with various media. but the journalists who worked in these media and in others carried relevant content, relevant propaganda, remained when 10 years ago we talked about some kind of lustration of officials, judges, berkut and so on, then we do not have everyone, first of all, this illustration carried out to the end, but secondly, it did not take place in all spheres. oksana knows what zik was until

the moment when medvedchuk sent natasha 50,000 vlaschenko, you know, it's like that. an unspoken symbol of public people for 50 thousand connections, she fulfilled this task, let go of journalistic investigations, let go of ukrainian narratives, vakhtan kipini remove the historical truth, the kapranov brothers, remove the russian peace forward, what happened next to the murayevs, the medvedchuks and everything else, why are they people still have a platform, she still doesn't have a wolf ticket, the lustration will be based on such rusamir... informational projectiles, well , look, that's the same question, at least now during the hot phase of the war, it's also the same to a certain extent debatable, here to a greater extent now it is necessary to call on all journalists and all copper workers to help ukraine responsibly at the present time, but i definitely agree with you that we

should not anyway, well if we call on the state to be responsible. conduct an investigation and the conditions under which licenses were obtained, why the entire apparatus provided licenses and legalization of a certain type of media, accordingly, the contribution of each media person, they should not be restricted from access to the audience now, maksi nazarova, mistress, they continue, look, i think that today we see that the audience of pro-ukrainian media and the readers, viewers themselves, they have made their choice and they support pro-ukrainian again. media and responsible journalism, i think that those media people who are the symbols of the russian media, today they do not have a huge audience, any influence, and accordingly, those who had somewhere, there were certain claims of the sbu or information subdivisions, but i agree that such discussions should be held, should be held in the journalistic circle, and accordingly, the institution

of reputation, it is very important in ukraine in the sense that every journalist, or... actor, he must clearly show in his biography that he supported ukraine and he supported professional standards, well, you know , that the reputation institute in ukraine has not been working either in the political or journalistic environment for decades, so given that it is not working or there are problems, i, at least as a representative of the largest journalistic organization there, at least i do not completely support, so that we, in conditions where many politicians are unpolished, officials are unpolished, activists, etc., etc., to choose media people and start at least a big one with them. a journalist from the same channels runs away in order not to bear responsibility, then the security service condemns her in absentia, i am talking about diana panchenko, her partners stayed, did not run away, so there are no questions for them, that is, it is double standards,

or we are to all the panchenkos and vlaschenkos we apply the law from the point of view of deliberate actions on the ground. information security, this is a part, that's how the law sounds, well, that's just me, me i agree, but again, if we speak for panchenko, she is still obvious, right from the time of the invasion, she is even now a kind of spokesperson who works against ukraine, so here it is definitely, if even her condemnation in absentia, i support it, but i i agree that those who worked with her in the newsrooms, as of today, they, well... well, her partners glashat are sitting in kyiv, vinnytsia and run youtube channels with a twist, at least that's what they say about themselves, i don't follow them youtube channels, i understand that they do not have a huge audience and, accordingly, fight with them, that is, there is still a certain priority now, i believe that at least now they do not pose the threat that they should be, if

this is a direct phenomenon that will threaten national security, i still believe that both the expert and the security service ukraine will react and... to a greater extent, i want to invest and put my time and effort into supporting worthy journalists, supporting front-line, near-frontline media, colleagues who are currently covering the war, because there are really a lot of pressing issues, and accordingly, i am afraid that if i drown in matters of lustration in matters other, then i simply will not help many colleagues who are now trying and reviving and informing in the frontline areas of kharkiv, kharkiv, zaporizhzhia, etc., i believe that this, but isn't it our business not only to care. about the fact that those who cover correctly can work well, have access to the sites, but also make sure that there are not among us those who can do harm, because then everyone is leveled, first of all, under the same line , and secondly, in this stream of information, sometimes it can be difficult for the viewer to distinguish what is there

ok, what is harmful? i agree, that's why we , as a union of journalists, support the mandate of the commission of journalistic ethics, it is accordingly a public initiative, where respectable and authoritative media experts are represented, who condemn accordingly. make a public condemnation and distinguish professional responsible journalists from unethical ones and help just the audience with media consumption. there is a very resonant story from us after the audit data of the accounting chamber were made public, because we have a state the enterprise is actually a state enterprise, it is a rada channel, and it is registered separately under a certain specific introduction, self-covering of all activities of the parliament. the committee of every deputy of every faction of the party of groups, it was constantly transformed into such semi-censored things, today we are for power, we wet the opposition, but it has never

happened before that the tv channel rada became in fact an appendix to a private office, i am talking about kinokit, how is it so, we have a parliamentary tv channel, a state-owned enterprise has been taken over by a private office, well, really, we are alarmed with this information, it was made public by the glavkom. the conclusions of the chamber of auditors, and at the moment there really is a question about the role and general understanding of the parliamentary tv channel, because in fact the tv channel itself can purchase services somewhere, and these are individual programs or some very small components that are needed for its own production, here we say that the actual production of the rada tv channel is to sign. agreement own contribution is to sign an agreement with an intermediary or with some private structure that will control, i i think that this is first and foremost a matter

for consideration by the deputies themselves, it is also a matter for consideration by the committee on freedom of speech of the verkhovna rada, we welcome, i welcome the restarting of the committee on freedom of speech, yaroslav yurchyshyn, as an authoritative parliamentarian , he is now involved in all cases, i think that this can also be a subject of consideration either at the committee or at the public council. law enforcement officers to speak, because politicians who have already been dismissed from the president's office are still being investigated for all these documents, but for what is the train of many scandals, where there is big money and, accordingly, where are audit reports and such a resonance to, well, that is, if kyrylo tymoshenko appears, his wife and i agree, the question is right there, maybe kyrylo tymoshenko will be white, fluffy, maybe everyone will be white , yes, yes, maybe everyone will be white fluff, but the level of trust we will have then. to the state, when, accordingly, if there is this conclusion, these are already representatives of the state, they are really followed by law enforcement officers who analyze and look, maybe law enforcement officers will draw conclusions, maybe the court will draw

conclusions that everything was correct according to the legislation, but today we really need not only a public discussion, which is definitely necessary to speak for standards, for coverage, but we also need then that the law enforcement officers either support, or refuted, but that's already... thank you for the conversation for being with us, serhiy tomilenko, was in the studio of the espresso tv channel, the head of the national union of journalists of ukraine, a short pause, don't miss the news from now on, khrystyna porubiy and the news editor already finish preparing the latest issue. if you suffer from clutter in the kitchen, constantly having to sort through a pile of pans to find the right one, you need the sejory pro set. unpack tv. savory pro pans fold into one another and take up so little

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