10, well, in just a few minutes the verdict program with serhii rudenko, stay with us and goodbye, good evening, we are from ukraine, today in the program verdict with serhii rudenko, f-16 in ukraine, western sources confirm the first use. american fighter jets in the ukrainian sky, but official kyiv remains silent. can fourth-generation western aircraft change the situation at the front? broke at the threshold of the house. an enemy drone wounded russian oppositionist ilya ponomarev with shrapnel the yard of his house in the kyiv region. is putin's regime still capable of getting its enemies abroad. restoration of territorial

integrity as a precondition. zelensky insists on the presence of russian representatives at the second peace summit. who and how will be able to convince the aggressor to return the seized ukrainian territories. glory to ukraine, this is the verdict program. my name is serhiy rudenko, greetings to everyone. and wishes everyone good health. over the next hour, we will talk about ukraine, the world, the war, and our victory. today we will have guests valentyn nalyvaichenko, mykhailo samus and roman tsimbalyuk. however, before starting our big conversation with our experts, let's watch a video of how ukrainian paratroopers repelled another russian assault, the soldiers managed to destroy three armored tanks and several combat vehicles. infantry, as it were,

we look. glory to the armed forces of ukraine and death to the russian occupiers. friends, throughout our broadcast we conduct a survey, today we ask you about this, do you expect the f-16 to change the situation at the front? so, no, everything is quite simple on youtube, either yes or no, the button, if you have your own opinion, please leave it in the comments below this video. if you are watching. us on

tv and on the air, pick up your smartphone or phone and vote on the numbers 0821381, if you expect f16 fighters to change the situation on the front, no 0800 211 382, ​​all calls to these numbers are free, literally in 55 minutes we are like here are the results of this vote. i would like to introduce today's first guest, this is valentin. levalko, folk deputy of ukraine, secretary of the parliamentary committee on integration of ukraine with the eu, head of the security service of ukraine in 2006, 2010, 2014 and 2015. mr. valentin, i congratulate you, thank you for being with us today. i congratulate you, glory to ukraine. glory to heroes. mr. valentin, let's start our conversation with the great exchange that took place in the world today, i would say so, because russia took part in this exchange. germany, the united states

of america, turkey and a number of european countries, as well as 26 prisoners held in the united states of america, germany, russia, slovenia, poland, norway, and belarus participated in this exchange, in a large exchange, known to have fired wall street journal reporter evan hershkovich, a marine. of the united states of america, paul whelan, prisoner of belarus, german citizen rico krieger, russian oppositionist liu yashin, publicist volodymyr karamurza, as well as fsb officers, including the murderer vadym krasikov. well, traditionally, of course, russia exchanges political prisoners, because those whom i have listed, most of them are political prisoners, on those who work in the fsb or work in other special forces. units

of the russian federation, there are killers, there are spies, there are people who work for the russian state, what does this exchange mean? this means that the west... is slowly starting not to talk to russia, or this conversation is purely professional and only applies to this particular case, it means that in fact the american government has made an unprecedented effort, i think and i know that the last two years for in order to return the first and foremost journalist-ed journal, i myself know him and his colleagues and i know that for several... years, but to no avail, they appealed to the kremlin, to putin, even personally, and the russian side always refused. moreover, they refused not just like that, but constantly inciting, raising the price and using the detention of a journalist of an american, fairly well-known publication, for

political pressure, manipulation and actually for their propaganda, intimidating with inhumane conditions, intimidating with possible torture in a russian prison. of all american journalists who tried or were on territory of russia. i think this was the main issue for the american side, and that is that for almost two years, it was not even possible to solve this issue anymore, this is not the first attempt, by the way, this time it was successful, in ankara, in turkey really a total of 26 people were exchanged, 10 were returned to russia, 16 were returned several times. first of all the united states three citizens and here is the fourth holder of a green card, but i would like to return to the main point that the first failed attempt was when even a russian government plane arrived at washington, you remember, many bloggers, not professionals, asked why this russian

plane is standing empty at the washington airport, it was the first attempt, when the american side thought they had agreed, but the russians at the last moment... on the last day actually failed this exchange, and at the highest level, at the level of putin, who began to put forward, put forward additional such, you know, even blackmailing demands to the united states, and then the president of the united states and the white house also refused, but did not cancel, but continued the preparation. why did this happen? an unprecedented and this time a successful exchange even in terms of the number of people. i will tell you two reasons. the first one is really like that. remarkable effort by the us state department, which is the body in the united states that is in charge of negotiating and coordinating others to exchange prisoners, whether captives or those illegally held in russia, and the state department involved the department

of justice the usa, which resolved those issues that concerned prisoners and not only the united states, in germany, and attention, germany on was actually the country... that helped, especially the german, the german prosecutors, the united states and other countries, to make this exchange, and you know why? because it was in germany that he was sentenced to a serious term of imprisonment, the murderer, you said correctly, mr. serhiy, on the air, a high-ranking fsb officer who carried out a political assassination on the territory of germany, the so-called killer on a bicycle, he was even called in german the press, the same... fsb colonel krasikov, and it was thanks to such german help that this exchange took place, moreover, russia and putin personally, the kremlin even returned three quite significant russian oppositionists who served very

serious sentences, these are volodymyr karamurza, and ilya yashin and andriy pivovarov, then these are such figures of a serious... serious russian political position, here in my opinion and according to mine, according to my information, why did such an unprecedented truly exchange of prisoners, illegally detained on the territory of russia and prisoners and brought to criminal proceedings on the territories of other countries, the usa, germany, poland, you correctly called norway, even slovenia. mr. valentin, but one more russian oppositionist who is in... in ukraine since 2016, ilya panomaryov, who is a citizen of the ukrainian state, tonight russian drones attacked his residence in the kyiv region, before that he wrote that on the night of july 31, three had already arrived drones and

shot down somewhere near his house, with the house he wrote on social networks about what happened to him, that today is his second birthday... the fifth attempted attack was the most non-standard and successful, against which it was difficult to defend. to what extent does russia now have the ability to kill its own people'. political opponents on the territory of ukraine and how in this situation can they beware of something like this? first of all, i congratulate ilya and his wife that they survived, yet another attempt at such a political assassination, this time really with the help of drones, and the most important thing, in my opinion, in order to avoid and ensure this, the work of ukrainian counterintelligence, russian opposition . others, well, this is known information, who is in top-list of the kremlin regime to destroy

us ukrainians and those people who are on the territory of ukraine. for a long time, such people have had to be professionally advised to change their phones, ip addresses, places of temporary residence and many other things, it is a person's choice whether to do it or not, but this is the first such security circle on... my view and, moreover, according to my professional assessment, which should have been created since the beginning of the war. the second circle of security is definitely to destroy and strengthen air defense, and here is air defense and the destruction of drones, because any citizen of ukraine, anyone on the territory of ukraine, should be protected, regardless of whether they are position holders or not. well, the third question is definitely a question of suppression of modern opportunities. electronic warfare systems, to suppress the capabilities of russian terrorist missiles and drones so that

they cannot target and hit people and targets on the territory of ukraine. here are three things that i think are very important. mr. valentin, today and yesterday the world media wrote about the fact that ukraine has already received f-16 fighters, bloomberg was the first to write about it yesterday, then. some photos, some videos appeared on the network, they are not verified, the ukrainian side has not yet confirmed that the f16 is already in the ukrainian sky, do you know whether bloomberg's information about the f-16 is true or not? i know that the f-16s are in the number that we need, that is, several squadrons, which is 30 or more fighters, have not yet arrived. this is the first part of my answer. the second part of my answer: as soon as the general staff of ukraine publishes it

information that shaheds and russian missiles and f-16s are working and destroying in ukraine and, but with ukrainian pilots, then you and i will be able to make such information public, moreover, talk about it to the citizens of ukraine. and thirdly, i would ask tv viewers to understand such an approach, because the ukrainian... f-16 pilots are now very much not what we need to protect, they are extremely valuable military specialists, and i would not be in a hurry to do pr and tell, where and how they fly even in the 16th, we need to save the lives of both the pilots and the planes themselves, so that they brought more benefit to you and me, that is , they destroyed more russian terrorist missiles and drones in the ukrainian sky. mr. valentine, this week. information that thanks to the ukrainian special services and

the tuareg people in mali, on the border with algeria , they defeated the convoy of the private military company wagner from russia, and our special services, in particular, the khimik group in syria , attacked the airfield where the russians were located. troops in syria, and this time the target of the attack was the military equipment of the russians, precisely at the kuveris airfield occupied by them, east of aleppo, it was at this airfield that personnel were being trained for an attack on the ukrainian state, how much have the capabilities of the ukrainian special services changed after the start of the great war with the russian federation, and how true is all this information that is... in the public space? the most important thing

is that the ukrainian special services are now, and this is true, looking for murderers, ukrainians from the terrorist organization wagner, all over the world, this is the first thing i confirm. second, from those sources that i know, including from american special services, american specialists, indeed, all over the world, and the cyber capabilities of the ukrainian special services. and , above all, military military intelligence and our other cyber specialists seriously not only identify, but also establish where and how it is possible to find and destroy. terrorists from the wagner group. thirdly, with french and american colleagues, including the last successful operation, which was actually carried out militarily by the tuaregs, there was successful work in this operation and the participation of ukrainian special forces in it. and i think

this is not the last special operation. i think, that every terrorist from wagner's group, especially those... who have the blood of ukrainian citizens on their hands, now there already understand that there will be retribution, and they will be deceived in spite of everything in any part of the world, the world is actually very small. mr. valentin, zelenskyi in an interview with the french publication le monde, once again stated that russia should be present at the second peace summit, which is scheduled for november 24, what the ukrainian president says, i believe, like most countries. that at the second peace summit in november should russian representatives must be present, otherwise we will not achieve viable results, i do not want them to prevent us from preparing a joint plan, if everyone wants them to sit at the table, then we cannot be against it. a just peace for ukraine should allow us to restore our territorial integrity,

but this does not mean that we should do it exclusively with the help of weapons, it is desirable that the whole world stops putin, so that the borders. were a precondition, but we understand what zelensky's position is, and we know what his position is from putin: putin announced his ultimatum: four oblasts, the withdrawal of the ukrainian army from there, the neutral status of ukraine, and everything else is listed, that is, as of today, how realistic is it that anyone from the russian government is obviously not... putin, because he has an arrest warrant from the international criminal court, lavrov, a warrant for arrest, yes or no, someone else, that is, how likely is it that they will be at this peace summit at all, given their ultimatum and demands , here is the most important thing, and we, in ukraine, need it

to hold a position exclusively of ours, of our national interests, in our national... security interests, is the withdrawal of all the troops of the aggressor from the temporarily occupied territories. moreover, this position corresponds to the national interests, and i am not exaggerating here, this position corresponds to the national interests of the european union, all 27 countries of the european union, the united states, great britain and all the countries of the anti-putin coalition, which is more than 50, as of today. let's go further. the answer is the same position. for interest, who wouldn't i wondered about china and india, with whom we still need to work, no one doubts that, but as for the position of russia, well, you know, for us it is an aggressor country, we are suffering until now, and our people are from aggression, so i would give this part of the issue is still stronger now countries, such as the united states, china

and others, to talk with russia, but to talk with russia, after all, from the positions of the national interests of ukraine, the eu, the usa and others, that is, and this is the main thing, unconditional withdrawal of the aggressor's troops from the temporarily occupied territories. it the only working formula, if you want to go back to the word formula, and what's more, it's the platform that can, if we 're talking about november this year, this platform can be voiced at the united nations general assembly, presented there and about ... all 192 countries of the world are working, in my opinion, this is the only effective way, to hold one's position, together with allies to increase the number of positions of countries, economies, and so on, and pressure on russia, and with such positions, i am convinced that it is possible and it is necessary then to go to the peace summit, if this

november, then it can be in november. and so, mr. valentin, to what extent does international law allow? assumes that the participants in the negotiations are conducting these negotiations with terrorists, if you consider that russia is a terrorist state, and i did not say about negotiations with terrorists or those who violate international warrants, it seems to me that this is said by people who do not really understand the global and international politics and mechanisms of diplomacy, our mechanism is the only possible one. this, together with the allies in the anti-putin coalition , is to demand and achieve the withdrawal of all troops and special services of the aggressor from the temporarily occupied territories. this is the approach, this is then a peace summit, not something else, and here you are right, if you act differently, it will not be a peace summit, but a summit where terrorists will rule, you know

how to mock and mock the un and world order, sacrificing the territorial integrity of ukraine, this is not our way with you, and this is definitely a misunderstanding, if someone understands the possibility of going to the peace summit in this way, i categorically... firstly against, secondly, i deny that it is in principle is possible, the only correct way and the only one possible is to maintain the position of territorial integrity of ukraine together with partners. mr. valentin, today in his evening address , zelensky said that personnel changes are being prepared at the government level, and i will quote what the president said: personnel decisions are being prepared at the government level, as well as additional decisions, so that already this fall, more ukrainian... children could to study in schools, not online, but normally, to have a normal school life, to the extent that it is possible now during the war, and well, there is a logical

the question, if in this address zelensky talked a lot about the education of children and about education in general, about the fact that facilities will be built there, whether it is about changing the minister of education, the minister, possibly appointing a new minister of infrastructure. tours and what kind of personnel decisions it might be, is the father's application so far not inarticulate in terms of positions, people, who will come, who will leave? i will answer you as it is, there is no verkhovna rada, they have dispersed, the majority faction is not at work, so this is the number one question, in my opinion, there is nothing to delay, well there is no not just those ministers that you listed, half of the government is gone and... and those that are left, there is a huge question, are they effective, this is the first, second, in my opinion, during the martial law cannot at all there will be breaks, trips, some kind of

tour of deputies abroad for a long time, what are they doing there, if they have to work here, and thirdly, then there will be no talk about personnel changes, but personnel changes that can and should be discussed, people should know what they were expelled for predecessors and what they did not... succeed or involved in corruption, when and what they did returned to the budget and after that only the discussion of new candidates, and most importantly the programs that they should decide and act during martial law. moreover, mr. serhiy, i am convinced that the government in principle, well, we are already waiting for a new one, that there will be a new martial law government, that is, a government that works every day, correctly, with the armed forces of ukraine, that holds meetings every day and resolves issues correctly general headquarters of ukraine, such a government is needed, if you ask the position of the motherland faction, we are convinced of this, but most importantly, i i will repeat with your permission, there is nothing to do,

we went our separate ways, ran away, go back to work in the verkhovna rada of ukraine and not only personnel decisions must be made, but also specific meaningful action programs, an increase in the budget for the armed forces of ukraine for the salaries of our servicemen and many other things , what needs to be done here and for. for the protection of ukraine. thank you, mr. valentin, for the conversation, it was valentin nalyvaichenko, people's deputy of ukraine, former head of the security service of ukraine. friends, we work live on the tv channel, as well as on ours platforms on youtube and facebook, and throughout our broadcast we conduct polls. we are asking you today whether you expect the f-16 fighter jets to change the situation at the front. yes, no, everything is quite simple, either yes or no, you answer, or if you have an individual. please leave it in the comments under this video. if you're watching us on tv, pick up your smartphone or phone and vote for the numbers. if you expect the f-16 to change the situation at the front -

0800 211 381, not 0800-211 382. all calls to these numbers are free, vote at the end of the program, we will sum up the results of this vote. next, we will be in touch with mykhailo samusia, military expert, deputy director of the army research center of conversion and. weapons, director of the new geopolitics research network, mr. mykhailo, i welcome you, thank you for being with us today, i congratulate you, i am glad to be, well, first of all, of course, the top topic of both world media and social networks is f16, which seem to have already arrived in the ukrainian state, minister of foreign affairs of the ministry of foreign affairs of lithuania, gabrielius lansbergis actually confirmed that the first f-16 fighters have arrived in ukraine, f-16 in ukraine period. another impossible thing turned out to be quite possible, he wrote on twitter. the times writes that ukraine received six f-16 fighter jets

from the netherlands, according to the newspaper's sources , several more aircraft from denmark will soon arrive in ukraine, and the telegraph writes that ukraine has already flown its combat sorties on western f-16 fighter jets , having used them for air defense purposes, absolutely everyone writes about these f-16s, and there are even videos as if they are flying over ukraine, and there are even some photomontages of how these... 16 are somewhere in the sky over lviv, over the town hall, that is , this is a photo, well, the photo frog was obviously made or a photomontage, because it is over odesa region, they say that over odesa, so much talk about the f-16, well i think at least you can say with certainty whether the information is true or not, well i think

it's... the information should not be discussed openly at all, so that first of all the f-16 is a weapon that should cause damage to the enemy, and that's why the enemy is the first to know whether it is true or not, and we will discuss it later, in relation to this whole discussion, many people say, well, six planes, well, 10 planes, it will not change anything and so on, but we need 128, i would like emphasize that the f-16 is real. aircraft in order for it to start influencing, and i say right away, here the quantity is not of great importance, the main thing is the quality of the system, the system consists primarily of the ability to target, that is , we must have information either from the avax system of nato, or from our rockets distant of reactive detection that the swedes promised us, obviously they are not there yet, that is, we will probably receive information, a whole instruction

from... nato under the avax system are long-range reactive detection aircraft that can provide us with information, why is this important, because vax provides information about targets at a depth of up to 400-500 km on russian territory, and this makes it possible, when receiving information about take-off, for example, by russian tactical aviation, to already give target designation to f16 aircraft, pilots who, in fact, with their on-board radar... will not see these targets, but they can already be used using the targeting of avax aircraft, long-range detection and thus use those missiles that may be transmitted to us air-to-air and thus affect the activity of russian aviation, that is, even several f-16 aircraft, if they are installed in avax system, will receive high-quality information, targeting,

can already change the situation on the battlefield. and if we have 128 f-16 aircraft that will not have the ability to integrate with information, received from avacs, information that will give us an advantage in terms of range, then these aircraft, even with the number of 128, they really will not be able to become a game changer, as they say, that is, the main thing here is systemicity, the main integration of these aircraft into the system in which they should work, that is, full time. into the information field of nato, and after that these aircraft will really become a very, very different sword that will really cut the wings of the tactical aviation of the russian federation, this is what we need now directly on front, because the russians use cabs, which give the russians the opportunity to advance to a large extent in donbas now, that is, the mass

use of cabs must be stopped. it can be done by the f-16, but on the condition that we have information, targeting, still not just from the onboard radars of these planes, still using more powerful tools. in terms of air defense, these planes can really help us fight cruise missiles, that is, the same missiles that are launched from strategic bombers, the same hasto-1, other modifications, they can really shoot down effectively. f-16 and thus create another echelon of air defense of ukraine, that is , we have the patriot, there is nasams iriste, there are soviet systems, frankysam systems, and there will be more, f-16s that will be able to more adaptively approach the shooting down of missiles, because we know that the russians constantly change routes, trajectories, try to confuse our air defense system, because no matter how mobile the complex is, it is still stationary.