there are discounts until independence day on korvalt, 10% at travel pharmacies, bam and savings. an unusual look at the news. good health, ladies and gentlemen, my name is mykola veresin, sharp presentation of facts and competent opinions. for example, if mykola veresen did so. he would go to prison. a special view on events in ukraine, so there is no need. not to tell you that the fish rots from the head, no, not from the head, and beyond its borders, then who is china, me, my heart hurts, all this in the informational marathon with mykola september, saturday 17:10, sunday 18 :15 for espresso. the verkhovna rada regularly passes new laws, but how do these changes affect our lives? we have analyzed the new decrees to inform you about the latest changes in ukrainian legislation. as legislative norms. change our lives, what

to prepare for, these and other questions that concern ukrainians will be answered by the leading lawyers of the actum bar association, watch every tuesday at 7:55 in the legal expertise program on the espresso tv channel. the largest, one might say, historical exchange of prisoners took place between russia and western countries, what it means and why the kremlin did it, we will talk about it in the second part of the program, and we will start with the topic of mobilization, where the law, as it turns out, is not one for everyone, my name is vlasta lazur, this is svoboda live, mobilized for 25 years, we

have continued to investigate cases where citizens under 25, despite their age and health problems, were mobilized, these are not volunteers, these are people who, on the contrary , were sure that they would not be mobilized, well, first of all, because of their age , in addition, before the adoption of the law on mobilization, they had the status of ineligible in peacetime, but limited in wartime, they are all now subject to mobilization, and do not look for logic here, there is none, this is a legislative conflict that the deputies promise ... to fix, but they still haven't, besides , the general staff opposed the correction of this conflict, saying that it would put the mobilization itself at risk. today we talked to anatoly, here we show him on the screen, he is 21 years old, he is currently in one of the training units, from where he left with us contacted and told his story. we currently cannot verify everything he said, as well as hear the position of the tsc, but listen to his story for a start. i mean, why... did you assume you couldn't be

mobilized? eh i assumed because there was a general conscription law, it used to be from 27 but it was lowered to 25 as i was, well still 21, i didn't think i could fall somehow under mobilization, that is, you were in may at this time on may 29, what were you doing, how did it happen? is, in general, i was detained by the employees of the tsk on the 27th, they sent me... it was to the tsk directly, when i asked to be presented with some documents, i was simply, to put it briefly, aggressively refused, er, that is, in fact, the people who detained me, i did not see their documents, i was detained without the police, i was not wanted, eh, i was registered in my tsk at the place of residence, that is, i was not hiding, therefore there was no search either, but you were detained exactly where, i arrived in rohtu for two days rest. took a day off, v

orokhti, my girlfriend and i literally huddled in a store, got on a bus, drove for literally five minutes, we were stopped at a checkpoint and told to get out, i got out, of course my girlfriend went out with me, i showed them the documents that i 21 years, they started telling me that oh you didn't update the data, i say, well for me at that time it was may, may 27, i had a lot of time to update the data, i say, as a matter of fact, by law , i still have time. for this, to do this, they began to tell me that i am not in database, and in short, without fully giving all the details, manipulations, i got into the tcc. 21 years old, look, there are such grounds for mobilizing a person, according to this conflict of law, which is, you must be, at that time, must have been either of limited fitness, or must already have military experience, that is, served in the army , i don't know, they had a military department at the university, where they studied and so on, what did you have from that, military man?

i did not pass the phaedra and military service, i was of limited fitness, i have bronchial asthma, chronic allergic rhinitis and emphysema. well, that's the story. on the websites of the verkhovna rada and the cabinet of ministers. registered petitions about the transfer of people like anatoliy after the repeated vlk to the registration of conscripts, the status of conscripts is precisely for people from 18 to 25 years old, ideally, if there is no conflict of laws, then these people should not be mobilized, well, in addition, as many as three draft laws have been created, who are able to solve the situation, but as i said earlier, the deputies have not yet resolved this issue, maybe they will do it at the end in august, when they will meet again either after a break or after the summer vacation. i will only add that we, radio liberty means, talked about this with almost all the deputies from the specialized committee, some of whom are currently abroad, and this is what solomiya bobrovska, a representative of the defense committee of the verkhovna rada, who also said in particular submitted the corresponding bill to settle this conflict, she

said that this is a political decision of the bank general staff and the ministry of defense, they say that this is a mobilization resource, it is meant here are these people, although we... that the law should be bobrovska, of course we are ready within the limits of this one for everyone under 25 years old, said the subject to give the floor to the representatives of the general staff, and the ministry of defense, and the deputies of the verkhovna rada, how they are going to decide this in the future , in what way and at what time, after all, time is running out, well, next we will show you a report from the training center, where conscripts are actually trained, and some of them are less than 25 years old, take a look. military men move quietly between the trees, in front of an imaginary enemy, behind their comrades, despite the training to work interaction in the unit is extremely necessary, this is one of the training centers of the assault battalion, in which newly mobilized people undergo military training, for the entire time

that they have been here, this is the second group of mobilized, new types who have arrived, who are learning something, but they have been here for a week , that's it. this is not a term at all, in the third year of the war they were mobilized and not very motivated, but they are trying, trying to do something, the more so the age of people is different, the younger ones, more somewhere in the zmykalist they do better, the older ones people are worse off, but we have what we have. oleg got to the training center after coming to update his data, as required by the new law. despite the problems with his eyesight and his age, he is 24, he came up for replenishment by storm. well, to be honest, they told me that i'm going, well, i'm going and going, i think it's everyone's choice, someone wants to fight, someone doesn't want to fight, well, but the situation is such that i think everyone will fight, so there even if i refused,

well, i would sit there for seven months and then i would still end up, i don't know where i would end up, and this recruit has already chosen his callsign, he will be called a chemist, he was met on the street, invited to go to the recruitment center and undergo a military medical examination, already in the evening he was going to the training ground, they met me on the street, they clarified the documents, accordingly, i was already on this list , and i was invited to drive either there or, well, as i had the desire, accordingly, i drove right away, once again went through the lc with all the tests, with this examination. and in fact, in the evening, somewhere near, i don't know, 19:00 in the evening, i already left for the training ground, i left for training in another area that i felt at that moment, well i was confused, i was unhappy, of course, because well it was so sudden without warning, well but i understood that it was not

a turning point, it had to happen anyway. on this training ground, the mobilized soldiers practice machine gun fire, the combat operations of downtown buildings and the interaction between soldiers. instructors explain how to act during an assault, all the while hearing drones wheezing overhead so that recruits get used to the sound and learn to avoid them. wait, you, you come in, you climb into this window from the yard, me walked around the house like that. the ukrainian authorities do not disclose the exact number of mobilized people, but after the adoption of a new law on mobilization, its... zamps accelerated, instructor farik says that not all mobilized people are motivated, but the main incentive for the majority remains the protection of their relatives, the forces are trying to drive people to the war, how should he fight, explain that he should use a machine gun to poke at this one as well, i understand that there are

simple children, others, like and say, why do i have, well, someone has, you do it for your family, for our country, we, we are here in any way, well , not all of us will survive, but all of us... we will return, and i believe that after the victory, and ukraine will definitely win, well, i don't know how long it will take for this one. the training of the ukrainian military lasts about two months, after which the mobilized are sent away. to the front and are already taking part in real combat, the instructors say, in these few weeks they try to give the new recruits the maximum amount of knowledge that will help save lives. we continue to talk about this with ruslan koshulynskyi, chief sergeant of the armed forces of ukraine, and deputy chairman of the verkhovna rada, 2012-14. i congratulate you, glory to ukraine. glory to the heroes, but i will discuss this topic with you, as i would with an active serviceman. in fact, well, with the former people's deputy, as you understand the conditions in which the deputies now find themselves, young

men under the age of 25 come who are stuck because of this legal conflict, they did not plan to be mobilized, but now they are automatically among the conscripts, by the way, you see these people in the service, who , if only in connection with this, were caught by the tsk and sent there to a training ground, and then to the army, well, first of all... my own experience, well, my youngest son, now 22, he has been from the first day of the full-scale invasion, he is a volunteer, yes he is a volunteer, i need clarification here, uh, he a volunteer, he is already an officer, he is already a lieutenant, a participant in hostilities, oletya neboka, similarly, the youngest son, proud, is also already wounded, an officer, already seriously wounded, several contusions, these are the young people who voluntarily left, so we are now.. .we are talking about the youth of 25 years, this is ours up to 25 years old, this is the future, this is the golden fund

of the nation, these are the people who tomorrow give birth, raise, acquire, who fill our state with their strength, their knowledge, their work, can we just give these people away, well, we must protect . second, motivation, what kind of motivation should it be? i have more motivation than those young people. i have a double motivation, if the first part is that we are talking about protecting our homeland, our nation, then the second part is that we are talking about what i do not want my children to experience the problems of war, i want to be the last generation to fight, i understand you, but nevertheless, look, these people we are talking about, if they are not volunteers, you set an example, your son, is he a volunteer, or you hear me, yes, you, you gave the example of your son, he is a volunteer, but

now we are talking about people who are not volunteers, they, on the contrary, thought that until the age of 25 it does not apply to them, even more so, in them health problems, they have diagnoses, because in peacetime they were unfit, and now such people find themselves at the front, here's who and what now it is necessary to quickly gather the deputies to vote, they are on vacation, quickly make a statement, i do not know, the headquarters, the president, the ministry of defense, the general staff say that they are not interested in changing it, well , first of all, this is a problem of legislators, legislators in wartime , well, sorry for being rude, but going on vacation, well, sorry, it’s, well, higher, i don’t even want to call it obscene, you can’t do that, it demotivates people so much when people sit in their offices and... let them go on vacation, compared to the boys fighting, well not

can be done, that is, they lose time, they lose motivation. the second part: if we still, if you decided, calculated, demographic problems determined that it is possible to take those people away, well, it is only with their permission, with their desire, with their physical, moral, psychological readiness, are people ready enter into a contract to become the military elite, to study so that tomorrow they become the best soldiers who will manage our army, this is the only way we can do it, we cannot squander it, sorry for such a word, this is the world of the nation, this is the future of the nation, i have a double motivation, i don't want my children to fight, i want to be the last generation to fight for my country, they should live in a prosperous one. gray-haired, cool ukraine, modern, they have to raise children, nurture their children,

i.e. the youth today, i would say that our legislator should do the maximum to help those young people, if they want and are ready to go, yes, she signs a contract, she dedicates her life to the military cause, she becomes good, an effective soldier, only under the conditions can we take such a step. and this is what is happening now, unfortunately, there are such cases when young people under 25 years of age are brought from tsk, brought to educational centers, this... and there is an age that is prescribed now, taking into account

the legislation, that is, today the state ... a lawmaker should do everything to motivate people, and not to relax them with their behavior, that's the problem, but look, you, you have the experience of a legislator, you were a member of the verkhovna rada, you were, you are in the tribune were, vice-speaker, please tell me under what circumstances a collision can occur, and from your practical experience, how quickly is it possible to ideally, well, correct and resolve this situation? that and the fact that it happened in principle, because this is a very important law was passed, that this was allowed, what does this indicate, is it conscious or unconscious? i would like to remind our viewers that this term of the verkhovna rada passed the law on mobilization for six months. let me remind you that

this draft law was discussed for six months, that is, this i'm sorry, i could lick so much. every word, count every word, they didn't count, they made a mistake, well now quickly correct it, well don't do it in society today this injustice, well, if all, then all, well then why selectively, if we all go to war , it means that everyone should get ready for battle, if everyone, well, that is, if we take the mobilization age, or take the age that we are talking about today, that we have joined today. him to the armed forces, well , make up your mind, after all, no, you are going on vacation, so why can't you do that now to do, they say that they did not go on vacation, that it is a break in the meetings, but they are there for something, they say that they work in committees on business trips, i do not know that it is not exactly a vacation, i agree, and the guys at the front

will say the same, in we did not have a break in hostilities, we just took a break. we are all fighting now, if we talk about the fact that we are also fighting in the rear, everything is for the front, everything is for victory, well, please, act exactly the same as the soldiers, then everything will be unanimous, let me, let me then to speak briefly about the position of the general staff, because radio liberty appealed, because the deputies told us that they want to correct this conflict, it's just that they are not going to, they will get together, correct it, but we turned to the general staff and they said that they... do not support the correction of this conflict, well, because it poses a certain threat to the mobilization itself, and they say that it should be left as it is, and that is why they do not support these changes to the legislation, how can this be? well, that's a private opinion, i haven't seen it, and you won't put one now document of the central committee, who would

sign this, no, no, we received an official answer from the general staff, where they said, in the conditions of... a decrease in the quantity and quality of human mobilization capital during a long-term armed aggression, the adoption of the proposed changes will create a threat to the implementation of measures about staffing, well, there is a lot of clericalism here, it is difficult for them to communicate in human language, but nevertheless it follows from the answer that they do not support it. so, the military comes from the position: "we need more high-quality soldiers." translated thank you, yes, well... everything, that is, any steps to reduce today's mobilization, the military accepts everything, so please, lawmakers, make it so that there is no mechanism, and people who avoid it, punish for it, b . motivate people, today as much as possible today, propaganda should

be the first step in order to motivate people, prepare people for this, technically, psychologically, physically, this. projectile weight 152 mm caliber there revenge or hyacinth 43 46 kg imagine the physical training that should be, that is, i am talking about what today has to be a preparatory process, and the general staff takes the position that the more soldiers we have today, the better, so any reduction for the general staff is a problem, but we are talking about the fact that today we are also thinking about the gene pool of the nation. if everyone, if all the children, today we put in order, what will happen tomorrow, are we ready for this, or after all , the generation should stand up for the children, that's what it is, thank you very much, i... i just call on our viewers, who is watching us, please share in the comments if you know similar ones situation, you, your relatives, sons, brothers, were mobilized up to 25 and they got into this

collision, we had ruslan koshulinskyi, chief sergeant of the armed forces of ukraine and deputy chairman of the verkhovna rada, 2012-14 , thank you very much, well now we move on to the second topic, a large-scale exchange, it has already been called historic, the exchange of prisoners, which took place between the west, between the countries of the west. and russia. according to the insider, russia released 15 people. these are preliminary data. among them, we already know for sure, is our journalist colleague alsu kurmasheva of the tatarobashkir service of radio liberty. the russian court found her guilty of spreading so-called fakes about the russian army and imprisoned her for up to 6.5 years. here we are showing it now. the information about the dismissal of alsu has already been confirmed by the president of radio liberty, stephen kapus. well, according to the insider and bloomberg, and a number of other western publications about it. also writes: the list also includes wall street journal reporter evan hersh hershkovich and former us marine paul willan as part of the prisoner exchange with usa, they too will be made this exchange

for them. the kremlin also released and exchanged russian opposition figures, these are ilya yashin and volodymyr karamurza, this is also reported by the media so far. in particular, such as cbs, bloomberg, reuters, the kremlin itself does not comment on the exchange at the moment, but according to the data. of the turkish media, where this exchange actually took place at the ankara airport, now we will show you a live broadcast from there, the american congressman michael loel said that, in addition to russia and the usa, such countries as belarus participate in the exchange, slovenia, germany, in belarus, by the way, a few days ago , a german citizen rik krieger, who was sentenced to death, was pardoned, and most likely he will also be exchanged. well, as cbs reports to russia as part of this. the exchange may return at least eight people, including those linked to russian intelligence, among them vadym krasikov, now you show him, an alleged officer,

we show him, an alleged fsb officer, convicted of the murder of a former chechen field commander zalikhman khangoshvili in berlin, by the way, we will have a direct connection from berlin from minute to minute, i hope that the correspondent of the tv channel nastoyastchee vremya works there, and just now ilya is joining our broadcast. ponomarov, lawyer, lawyer, ilya, i congratulate you. good afternoon, you just confused me with ilya novik. i apologize, yes, i really confused you with ilya novikov. ilya ponomaryov, former member of the state duma. congratulations. i probably have to explain to our audience why you, you are in this way, you suffered facial injuries injury, i understand, today, during the morning attack, a drone... near somewhere near your house, and the house, i understand, is dilapidated or damaged very badly, so sympathy, sympathy for you really, well, the loss of a home is also a loss,

now i have a question for you, you know, many people call this exchange historic, the largest in recent years, but in general, i read both the western press and the ukrainian one, they write about the fact that, well, first of all, according to the press estimates, 26 people in total was exchanged both on the part of russia and with on the part of others. it mentions that people from poland, norway, and slovenia who were sentenced there were handed over to russia, how do you evaluate this exchange? well, of course, i'm very happy, for my friends, as they are now deposed, the free russia foundation, which was one of the main advocates of this exchange, they... they did everything right, i think, i'm very unhappy, disappointed that ukraine,

which was the first to announce its readiness to make such an exchange, has not yet achieved any results in this direction, and because of this, russia... receives back such spies and killers and spies from various countries of europe and the united states, which will definitely lead to the fact that there will be new people who will also kill, steal, create cybercrimes there, and all the rest of it during the war. of course, this is a huge danger for ukraine, for the russian resistance, but all the same, i am certainly glad that they are our comrades.

found herself on the loose, and you already, you already know for sure 100% that the people you mentioned, they have returned, well, according to my information, uh, if there's less of a part, sure, well, i, of course, today i have such a hard day, i, i didn't really follow the details, not very carefully, but there was something there 15 or 20 minutes ago. i received a message that the exchange process in ankara in turkey has started, and i know how sensitive this issue was, how worried everyone was that something would not work, and there were many countries involved in this process, and there even memory are you hanging around here, how long have you been there a week, two weeks ago in... turkey

, the same turkish intelligence officer was arrested one fighter from the opposition, who blew up a car with a gru officer, flew to bodrum, was arrested there and returned to russia, and of course, turkey did not do that before, and this happened precisely in order not to destroy it. this exchange, this exchange, by the way, now we are showing this footage, this is a live broadcast of reuters, we, we, we know that this is footage from turkey, and we see that there is a plane, and the exchange itself took place in turkey, i will only say with reference to the turkish media that they report that this is within the limits 26 prisoners who were held in prisons in seven different countries, the united states, germany, poland, slovenia, norway, russia and belarus, were released during the exchange,

the turkish side said. from a political point of view, look, very, well, you partially mentioned this, very ambiguous reactions to this exchange, because they say that now the kremlin has received a signal that they can release anyone, any russian killers working there in europe , or some, i don’t know, spies, they just need to capture a civilian there, a foreigner who can to find himself in russia or belarus, he is simply taken. he has a case, a sentence is passed, and this is live material for exchange there, do you agree that the kremlin received such a signal, will he use it in the future? 100%, he has always used it, and he will use it in the future, of course, and this is their usual business there, and i believe that this approach is wrong from the point of view of the west, they are usually guided.

i believe that it would be necessary to create, if less, a symmetrical one. the situation and again what it was discussed with ukraine, i want to live there , everything else, that representatives of the partisan movement will be changed, that is, people who are there, well, for example, daria trepov is there, she destroyed one of the most famous russian propagandists there, and here is a symmetrical the situation of krasykov there, who killed...

a chechen general, well, they can be exchanged, if less, that is, here a person who howled someone, here a person who beat someone, it is equivalent, and the result will be what, of course, in germany there will be a new handsome man who will offer his services to russia, because he will to know that he, he will get there, he will serve there for three or four years in fairly comfortable conditions, and then he will be transferred from... and he will be a hero there, but we need the russian partisans to feel the same, that they did something there, but we haven't forgotten about them, and what kind of terms do they have there? 25 years there, well, they won't sit for 25 years, or they won't be executed, as there is this threat in belarus .