i would like to introduce today's first guest, this is valentyn nalevaichenko, people's deputy of ukraine, secretary of the parliamentary committee on ukraine's integration with the eu, head of the security service of ukraine in 2006, 2010, 2014 and 2015. mr. valentin, i congratulate you, thank you for being with us today. i congratulate you. glory to ukraine. glory to heroes. mr. valentine, let's start our conversation with a great exchange that took place in the world today. i would say so, because russia, germany, the united states of america, turkey and a number of european countries took part in this exchange. countries, so 26 prisoners who were held in the united states of america, germany, russia, slovenia, poland, norway and belarus participated in this exchange in a large exchange, it is known that the reporter from vo magazine

evan hershkovich, a marine of the united states, was released of america paul whelan, the imprisoned belarusian citizen of germany rico krieger, russian oppositionist ilya yashin, publicist volodymyr karamurza, as well as fsb officers, in particular the murderer vadym krasikov, well, traditionally, of course, russia exchanges political prisoners, because in those , whom i have listed, most of them are political prisoners for those who... work in the fsb or work in other special forces of the russian federation, are killers, are spies, are people who work for the russian state. what does this exchange mean? this means that the west is slowly starting to talk with russia, or this conversation is purely professional and concerns only this particular case. it means that... really

the american government has made an unprecedented effort, i think, and i know the last two years , to bring back really first journalist, i myself know him and his colleagues, and i know that for several years, but to no avail, they appealed to the kremlin, to putin, even personally, and the russian side always refused, moreover, they refused not just like that, but constantly inciting , raising and using the detention of a journalist of an american, fairly well-known publication, for political pressure, manipulation and actually for his propaganda, intimidating with inhumane conditions, intimidating with possible torture in a russian prison, all american journalists who tried or were on the territory of russia. i think that was the main issue for the american side, and that's exactly what for almost two years, it didn't even work anymore. solve this issue,

by the way, this is not the first attempt, this time it was successful, in ankara, turkey, 26 people were really exchanged, 10 were returned to russia, 16 were returned by several countries, primarily the united states, three citizens and the fourth owner green card, but i would like to return to the main thing, that the first failed attempt was when even the plane was russian government arrived to... remember, many bloggers, not professionals, asked why this russian plane is standing empty at the washington airport, it was the first attempt, when the american side thought they had agreed, but the russians at the last moment on the last day actually disrupted this exchange, and at the highest level, at the level of putin, who began to put forward, put forward additional such, you know, even blackmailing demands on the united states, and then the president of the united states ... and the white house also

refused, but did not cancel, but continued preparation why did such an unprecedented and this time successful exchange even in terms of the number of people take place. i'll tell you two reasons: the first is really this, you know, remarkable effort by the us state department, that's the body in the united states that's in charge of negotiating and coordinating others to exchange prisoners, whether it's prisoners or those who are illegally detained in russia, and the state department involved the us department of justice, which resolved those issues that related to prisoners and not only in the united states, in germany, and attention, germany was essentially the country that helped, especially german, german prosecutors, the united states and other countries to make this exchange, and you know why, because it was in germany that he was sentenced to a serious term serving sentences. the killer,

you said correctly, mr. sergey, on the air, is a high-ranking fsb officer who carried out a political assassination on the territory of germany, the so-called killer on a bicycle. he was called in the german press, the same fsb colonel krasikov, and precisely because of that thanks to such german help, this exchange took place, moreover, russia and putin personally, the kremlin even returned three quite significant russian opposition figures who were serving very serious sentences, these are volodymyr karamurza, ilya yashin and ... andriy pivovarov, these are such figures serious, serious russian political position. this is, in my opinion and according to my information, why such an unprecedented truly exchange of prisoners, illegally detained on the territory of russia and

prisoners and brought to criminal proceedings became possible responsibility on the territories of other countries, the usa, germany, poland, you correctly named norway, even slovenia. sir but another russian oppositionist who has been in ukraine since 2016, ilya ponomaryov, who is a citizen of the ukrainian state, tonight russian drones attacked his residence in the kyiv region, before that he wrote that on the night of july 31, three drones had already arrived and shot down somewhere there next to his house, with the house, he wrote on the x social network about what on... he has, what he has today second birthday, i quote: the fifth attack attempt was the most non-standard and successful, against which it was difficult to defend, to what extent russia now has the ability to kill its political opponents on the territory

of ukraine and how in this situation they should guard against such a thing. first of all, i congratulate liu and his wife, that they have already survived. another attempt at such a political murder, this time really with the help of drones, and the most important thing, in my opinion, in order to avoid and ensure this, the work of ukrainian counterintelligence, russian oppositionists, others, well, this is known information, who is on the top list of the kremlin regime for the destruction of us ukrainians and those people who are in the territory of ukraine, such people have long been necessary to be consular... consult, without changing phones, ip- addresses, places of temporary residence and many other things to advise professionally, it is already a person's choice whether to do it or not, but this is the first such circle of safety, in my opinion, and moreover according to

my professional assessment, which, which had to be created yet since the beginning of the war. second circle security is definitely to destroy and strengthen air defense, and here air defense. destruction of drones, because any citizen of ukraine, anyone on the territory of ukraine should be protected, regardless of whether they are position holders or not? well, the third question is definitely a question of suppressing the capabilities of modern radio-electronic warfare systems, of suppressing the capabilities of russian terrorist missiles and drones so that they cannot target and hit people and targets on the territory. of ukraine. here are three things that i think are very important. mr. valentine, today and yesterday, the world media wrote about the fact that ukraine has already received f-16 fighters. bloomberg was the first to write about it yesterday, then some photos and some

videos appeared on the network, they are not verified. the ukrainian side has not yet confirmed that the f-16 is already in ukrainian skies, whether you know or not. the validity of the information of bloomberg about the f-16? i know that the f-16s are in the number that we need, that is, several squadrons, which is 30 or more fighters, have not yet arrived. this is the first part of my answer. the second part of my answer, as soon as the general staff of ukraine makes public such information that shahed and russian is missiles are working and destroying in the sky of ukraine. the 16th, but with ukrainian pilots, then you and i will be able to make such information public, moreover, talk about it to the citizens of ukraine. and thirdly, i would ask the tv viewers to understand such an approach, because ukrainian f-16 pilots are now

very wrong what we need to protect, extremely valuable military specialists, and i would not be in a hurry to do pr and tell where and as. fly even in the 16th, we need to preserve the lives of both the pilots and the planes themselves, in order for them to bring more benefit to you and me, that is, to destroy more russian terrorist... and missiles and drones in the ukrainian sky, mr. valentin, this week there was information that thanks to the ukrainian special services and its tuareg people in mali, on the border with algeria, they defeated the column of the private military company wagner from russia and struck, already our special services, in particular the khimik group in syria on... the airfield where they were located the russian occupation forces in syria, and this

time the target of the attack was the military equipment of the russians, it was at the kuveris airfield east of aleppo that they occupied, it was at this airfield that personnel were being prepared for an attack on the ukrainian state, how much have the capabilities of the ukrainian special services changed now after the start of the great war with russia the federation and to what extent does all this information that is in the public space correspond to reality? the most important thing is that the ukrainian special services are now, and this is true, searching all over the world killers of ukrainians from a terrorist organization, this is the first thing that i confirm, and the second, from those sources that i know, including from the american special services, american specialists, really all over the world and the cyber capabilities of the ukrainian special services and, first of all, military military intelligence and

our other cyber specialists seriously not only identify, but also determine where and how to find and destroy terrorists from the wagner group. third, with french and american colleagues, including the last successful operation, which in military terms really carried out by the tuaregs, there was successful work in this operation and the participation of ukrainian special forces in it, and i think that this is not the last special operation, i think that every terrorist from the wagner group, especially those who have the blood of ukrainian citizens on their hands now and they already understand that there will be retribution, and they will be deceived in spite of everything in any part of the world, the world is really very small, mr. valentin, zelensky in an interview with the french publication lemond once again stated that russia should be present at

the second peace summit , which is scheduled for november 24, what does the ukrainian president say? i believe, like most countries, that russian representatives must be present at the second peace summit in november, otherwise we will not achieve viable results. i don't want them to get in the way of our joint plan. "if everyone wants them to sit at the table, then we cannot be against it. a just peace for ukraine should allow us to restore our territorial integrity, but this does not mean that we should do it exclusively with the help of weapons. it is desirable that the whole world stopped putin so that borders were a precondition. but we understand zelensky's position, and we know putin's position. putin announced his ultimatum: four oblasts are withdrawn." from there, the ukrainian army, the neutral status of ukraine, and

everything else is listed, that is , how realistic it is today that anyone from the russian government is obviously not putin, because he has a warrant from the international criminal court, lavrov for arrest, an arrest warrant, yes or no one else, that is, how likely is it that they will generally be on it. peace, taking into account their ultimate nature and demands. the most important thing here, and we, we, ukraine, must keep our position exclusively of our national interests, in our national security interests, this is the withdrawal of all troops, the aggressor, from the temporarily occupied territories. moreover, this position corresponds to national interests, and i am not exaggerating here, this position corresponds to national interests. the interests of the european union, all 27 countries of the european union, the united

states, great britain and all all countries of the anti-putin coalition, and this is more than 50 as of today. let's go further. the same position corresponds to the interests of china and india, who are not surprised, with whom we still need to work, no one doubts that. and as for the position of russia, well, you know, for us it is an aggressor country, we suffer until now, and our people from... aggression, so i would give this part of the question to countries that are stronger now, such as the united states, china and others to talk with russia, but... but to talk with russia, after all, from the standpoint of the national interests of ukraine, the eu, the united states and others, that is, and this is the main, unconditional withdrawal of the aggressor's troops from the temporarily occupied territories, this is the only working formula, if you want to go back to the word formula, and moreover, this is the platform that will be able, if we are talking about november of this

year, this the platform can be announced at the general meeting. the evil organization of the united nations is represented, and all 192 countries of the world work there, in my opinion, this is the only effective way, to hold one's position, together with allies to increase the number of positions of countries, economies, and so on, and to put pressure on russia, and with such positions, i am convinced that it is possible and necessary, then to go to the peace summit, if it is november, then it can be in november, but... valentin, as far as international law allows, or provides that the participants in the negotiations these negotiations with terrorists, if you consider that russia is a terrorist state, and i did not talk about negotiations with terrorists or with holders of international warrants, it seems to me that this is said by people who

do not really understand global and international politics and mechanisms diplomats our mechanism is the only possible one - together with the allies in the anti-putin coalition , we demand and seek the withdrawal of all troops and special services of the aggressor from the temporarily occupied territories, this is an approach, it is then a peace summit, and not something else, and here you are right, if you act differently , then it will not be a peace summit, but a summit where terrorists will rule, you know, how to mock and... laugh at the un and the world order, sacrificing the territorial integrity of ukraine. this is not our way and it is definitely a misunderstanding if someone understands the possibility of going to the summit in this way peace i categorically, firstly, am against it, and secondly, i deny that it is possible in principle. the only correct way and the only possible one is to maintain the position of territorial integrity

of ukraine together with partners. mr. valentine, today in the evening game. zelensky said that personnel changes are being prepared at the government level, and i will quote what the president said: personnel decisions are being prepared at the government level, as well as additional decisions, so that already this fall, more ukrainian children will be able to study in schools, not online, but normally. to be normal school life, to the extent that it is now during the war, maybe, well, it arises, a logical question arises, if... in this address , zelenskyi spoke a lot about the education of children and about education in general, about the fact that there will be completed objects, are we talking about changing the minister of education, the minister, possibly appointing a new minister of infrastructure, and what personnel decisions might these be, or is the father's application so far not articulated in

terms of positions, people, who will come, who will leave? i will answer you. yes, the verkhovna rada no, they have dispersed, the monomajority faction is not at work, so this is the number one issue, in my opinion, there is nothing to postpone, well, there are not only those ministers that you listed, there is not half of the government, and those that are left are huge the question is whether they are effective, this is the first, second, in my opinion, during the martial law there can be no breaks at all, trips of some tours, deputies... abroad for a long time, what are they doing there, if they have to work here? and third, then it will not be a conversation about personnel changes, but personnel changes, which can and should be discussed, people should know why their predecessors were expelled and what they did not succeed in or were involved in corruption, when and what they returned to the budget, and after that only discussion

of new candidates, and most importantly programs, that they should decide and act during martial law. moreover, mr. serhiy, i am... convinced that the government, in principle, well, we are already waiting for a new one, that there will be a new martial law government, that is, a government that works every day, correctly, with the armed forces of ukraine, which every day holds meetings and resolves issues, that's right, the general staff of ukraine, such a government is needed, if you ask the position of the batkivshchyna faction, we are convinced of this, but the most important thing, i will repeat myself with your permission, there is nothing to do, let's go, run away, come back to work in... the council of ukraine and not only personnel decisions should be made, but also specific meaningful action programs, budget increase for the armed forces of ukraine, for the salaries of our servicemen. and many other things that need to be done here and now for protection countries. thank you, mr. valentin, for the conversation, it was valentin alyvaichenko, people's deputy of ukraine, former head of

the security service of ukraine. friends, we work live on the tv channel, as well as on our youtube and facebook platforms. and throughout our broadcast, we conduct polls. today we ask you about the following: do you expect the f-16 fighters to change the situation at the front? yes, no, everything up to... just either yes or no, answer, or if you have a separate opinion, please leave it in the comments below this video. if you are watching us on tv, grab your smartphone or phone and vote by numbers. if you expect the f-16 to change the situation on the front (0800-211-381), no 0800-211-382. all calls to these numbers are free, vote at the end of the program and we will sum up the results of this vote. next, we have mykhailo samusya, expert, deputy director of the army research center of conversion and disarmament, director of the new geopolitics research network, mr. mykhailo, i congratulate you, thank you for being with us today, i congratulate you, i am glad to see you,

well, first of all, of course, the top topic of the world media and social networks is the f-16s, which seem to have already arrived in the ukrainian state, the minister of foreign affairs of the ministry of foreign affairs of lithuania, gabrielus lasbergis, actually confirmed that the first fighters. 16 arrived in ukraine. f-16 in ukraine period. another impossible thing turned out to be quite possible, he wrote on twitter. the times writes that ukraine received six f16 fighters from the netherlands. according to the sources of the newspaper , several more planes will soon arrive in ukraine. and ztelegraf writes that ukraine has already made its sorties on western fighters. 16, having used them for the purpose of air defense, but absolutely everyone writes about these f-16s, and there are even videos of them flying over ukraine, and

there are even some photo montages of how these f-16s are somewhere in the sky over lviv, above the town hall, that is , it is a photo, well, the photo frog was obviously made or a photomontage, because it is above odeshchyna, they say that it is above odeshchyna. so much talk about the f-16, well i think at least you can tell with certainty whether they answer, answer this whether the information is true or not, well, i think that this information should not be discussed openly at all, because, first of all, the f-16 is a weapon that should harm the enemy, and therefore the enemy should first know this truth. or not, and we will discuss it later, in relation to this whole discussion, many people say, well, six planes, well, 10 planes, it will not change anything and so

on, but we need 128, i would like to emphasize that the f16 is really only a plane, in order for it to start influencing, and i say right away, there is not much here value, the main thing is the quality of the system, the system consists first of all of the possibility. instructions, that is, we must have information either from the avax system of nato, or from our long-range radar detection aircraft, which the swedes promised us, obviously they are not there yet, that is, we will probably receive information, a whole instruction from nato on the avax system, these are long-range aircraft reactive determination, which can provide us with information, why is this important, because vax provides information about targets at a depth of up to 400, 500 km in the russian territory, and this makes it possible, when receiving information about the take-off, for example, of russian tactical aviation, to already give target designation

to f16 aircraft, pilots who will not actually see these targets with their onboard radar, but they can already be used using the target designation of avaks aircraft of long-range rocket detection and in this way, to use those missiles that may be transferred to us. air-to-air and thus affect the activity of russian aviation, that is, even several f-16 aircraft, if they are installed in the avax system, will receive high-quality information, targeting, can already change the situation on the battlefield, and if we have 128 f-16 aircraft, which will not have the ability to integrate with e-e information, receiving from awaks, information that will give us an advantage in range, then these planes, even with the number of 128, they really will not be able to become a game changer, as they say, that is, the main thing here is systemicity, the main thing is the integration of these planes into

that system. which they are supposed to work on, i.e. complete full integration into the nato information field, and after that these aircraft will be to really become a very, very formidable sword that will really cut off the wings of the tactical aviation of the russian federation, this is what we need right now at the front, because the russians use cabs, which give the russians the opportunity to advance to a large extent in donbas. now, that is, the mass use of cabs must be stopped, this can be done by the f-16, but on the condition that we have information, targeting is still not just from the on-board radars of these planes, after all, with the use of more powerful tools. what as for air defense, these planes can really help us fight cruise missiles, that is, the same missiles that are launched from strategic bombers, the same kha-101, others.

fication, they can really shoot down the f-16 effectively and thus create another echelon of air defense of ukraine, that is, we have the patriot, there is nasams iriste, there are soviet systems, frankysam systems, and there will be more, f-16s that will be able to more adaptively to shoot down the missiles, because we know that the russians are constantly changing routes, trajectories try to confuse our anti-aircraft defense, because no matter how mobile the complex is, after all, it is ... stationary in fact, but the f-16 can adaptively destroy these missiles, regardless of any trajectory of their use, so i think , that it will be quite a significant contribution to the capabilities, that is, i would consider the f-16 aircraft not as aircraft, but as combat capabilities, but if they become combat capabilities, supported by system capabilities, then that too ... will have

an impact on the battlefield, if it will be simple aircraft that were handed over to us without weapons, without integration into the nato information field, then the number here will not mean anything at all, because they will not affect the effectiveness of the use of these aircraft, but here is what ukraine will receive or has received f-16 - this has quite a big psychological effect for the russians, because... i watched their messages and videos, what they say in their programs about the f-16, they are all in such a slight hysterics because of it, because they say, it is already red lines have already been crossed ukrainians, and the most important thing for ukraine is that the f-16 is the first step towards the rearmament of the ukrainian air force, because the f-16 aircraft after...

the f-16 aircraft will obviously be the f-18 and f-35, that is, this is only the beginning , just as it was with the tanks and armored personnel carriers that we received from our western partners, does the arrival of these f-16s mean the beginning of a new aviation era in ukraine? well, of course, because this is really the first western aircraft of this level in the air force, it is really the beginning of rearmament, the beginning of a new era, indeed, i would not say here about the line that will be the next one, because we still have, there were negotiations on gripen, there were negotiations on french aircraft, various modifications, especially, taking into account the fact that as unmanned aviation develops, that is, it is difficult to say which aircraft platforms will be more effective in 20 years, whether it will be a traditional aircraft or whether it will still be an unmanned platform, i

would say right now that the f16. it's the first step to a new model of air power, and it's really, really important, that's what we're really about they have been saying for 20 years that precisely at the turn of 20-25 we should completely switch to western aircraft, in principle it turned out that way, but under other circumstances, as far as the psychological factor is concerned, i think that the psychological factor will be when we meet "we eat the first, the first ten su". this will be a psychological effect, when it will be approximately a psychological effect when we shot down 2 a50s, russian derelo planes, which were engaged in exactly this, they provided information, targeting of the tactical aviation of the russian air force, and this then meant that the russians on head above us was shot down by a50.