to each other in some educational institutions, this is what society can do, and a colleague said that it is interesting who has more such means, obviously we understand that the russian special services, which simply work very, very long and transfer experience, and again you mentioned that exchange, which also showed to many that russia is not leaving its own, that's an important indicator, and it doesn't look like russia is going to weaken... its intelligence services, and of course, along with that, ukraine , which probably builds them up, so i think not only should we hope for the law enforcement activities of the ukrainian forces there, but also for ourselves to do what depends on each of us. thanks katya, olya, we already mentioned this case with the return of killers and spies to the russian federation, and it all looks very strange, because... well,

putin takes journalists, political opponents, public figures hostage, creates a pool, exchange fund, and then they are exchanged for killers and spies by our western partners, well, in principle, they did the right thing, that russian oppositionists were taken out of prison, and not only russian, but also american hostages, they returned them back, but isn't this... pleas for putin, listen, well, let's continue to change, because in principle, this stimulates putin to to arrest a dozen more journalists or some political figures there so that he can bring all his murderers, spies, people who poisoned someone in the west there, to extract them in this way, this is the exchange that he testifies to, well, i would beginning in... this is what

i paid attention to, and this, it seems to me, the most important and the most embarrassing thing about this story, uh, it turns out that just, now it turns out, uh, contacts, and quite close, and quite productive contacts, because after all, there was chatter between the united states. and russia took place during the year from march 23rd, if you believe the sources who said that this process began from then and ended with what we saw. you know, that's how you imagine, two such world giants, who negotiate with each other, and in the end come to a common opinion, in the end come to an agreement. compromise because, well,

a successful exchange is a compromise, we will call a spade a spade, and ukraine is standing on the sidelines with such vague curiosity, saying: oh, it was possible, we agreed, so we talked to putin there, you give us these, and we will give these , that is, well, this is the story of the big world players, here i am a little bit... as a citizen of ukraine, i feel in such a precarious position, i will not say obvious things now, how many ukrainian fighters, ukrainian political prisoners are currently in russian prisons and colonies , people who have been in critical conditions for a very long time, even the thought, well, it does not lead us to this, that

we can just as successfully carry out such an operation, that is, i pray to god, i am glad that there are many worthy people, well, really worthy , the same karamurza, you can treat those whom we call good russians differently, yes, but eh, if you take them separately, they are really people eh well... that is, i will not talk about them now, it is clear that it's good that they got freedom, it's good that wall street journal journalist evan hershkovich was released, but the fact that the killers, for whom, and spies of the world level, who were hunted by the special services of the american and european countries, they again went to themselves, to their homeland and...

were met there as heroes, so they are still promised to be rewarded, for loyalty homeland, for loyalty to the oath, well, what happened happened . and i have a logical question: is this the last such exchange, maybe there will be some more exchanges in that regard, and well, it is so for ukrainian self-love, it hits quite hard, yes, that is the first thing for all that we learn about very deep and long-term interstate contacts between the kremlin and the white house. for me, this story is in the first place here. thank you olya. i would like to remind our viewers that we conduct polls throughout the broadcast. we ask you, friends, about this, do you expect gold medals from ukrainian olympians? yes, no, everything is quite simple on youtube, yes, no, if you watch us on

tv, pick up your smartphone or phone and vote on the numbers 0800 211 381, if you are waiting for gold medals from ukrainian olympians, no 0 800 211 308. 52 all calls to these numbers are free. another fairly relevant topic, in which the russian federation also joins in ukraine, is the destabilization of society regarding mobilization, regarding the work of the tsc, regarding how everything is actually happening in ukraine, they are very meticulous about this, they disperse all this and information on their resources, including in telegram channels that speak. the results of the survey of the rozunkov center, as they were analyzed in the mirror of the week in the article mobilization, why ukrainians are in no hurry to serve, is it possible to change this, more than half of ukrainians are very concerned about activation and mobilization in

ukraine, and they say, ukrainians say that mobilization is necessary, because without it ukraine will be occupied by russian troops, almost 60 spoke in favor of... mobilization according to a survey by the razunkov center percent of respondents, another 40% believe that mobilization will only lead to new victims and will not bring victory or the signing of a peace agreement closer, while almost 52% of respondents do not believe that the situation at the front requires mobilization by coercive methods, only 26.7% agree with... the necessity of forced mobilization, katerina, here are all these discussions about what kind of mobilization should be forced, non-forced, someone believes that mobilization should be, 40% believe that mobilization will lead to new victims and will not bring victory or the signing of

a peace agreement any closer, about which, such figures in opinion polls indicate that ukrainians do not fully understand. what is happening now and that there is a great war and that the mobilization will take place and the conscripts will be mobilized or is it still possible ukrainian citizens need to talk to the ukrainian authorities in an adult manner and stop playing tricks and saying that, well, the head of the armed forces of ukraine should decide, as it was from the very beginning, whether the military-political leadership nods to the military leadership. that is, whether it is the result of the authorities communicating incorrectly with society, or society does not understand this, what is the reason, i am not a communicator to judge this, but i

also communicate a lot with colleagues, obviously, and with various experts, with politicians, which join the broadcasts, and... as well as with mothers at kindergartens and there with neighbors somewhere at bus stops with people, and about these things, and of course at this moment, at this stage, there is such a clear understanding that society must speak - to an adult, because on the one hand we see information there from the new york times, which was not officially confirmed by the ukrainian authorities, but american journalists write about the fact that now... there is a big round of mobilization, and 30,000 people are being mobilized every month, of course, with with such numbers, but we are we see everything in our environment, the war is getting closer and closer to every ukrainian, and related to this there is some

anxiety, some understanding that it is already close, some understanding that there is no alternative, and on the other hand, there is really a lot of news , conversations about the peace summit, for example, and what i noticed... in conversations with people very often, well , a simple question arises: we are preparing to fight and it will be long, or will it? some kind of truce, and you know that often, i 'm sure, you've seen it in the comments and heard it from people, as well as that you need a little simple endure, wait, there will be a truce in the autumn, and that's all, that is, this is also a misleading understanding of the situation, today on the air with volodymyr fisenko they talked about it, that there really is not a little bit here, it is necessary to explain, maybe a little more, that such an understanding there is a war and we need people and we need to mobilize and carry on. everyone should do what he can and understand what the situation is, on the other hand, communicate that the peace summit is one

of the diplomatic attempts to fix the situation and somehow make the world help ukraine, force as the ukrainian authorities say, they will force russia to those negotiations and to a truce. that is, obviously, in all these issues there is not enough communication, there is not enough communication with the ukrainian media, with ukrainian journalists, all important news and statements from the ukrainian authorities. we read about the ukrainian president in the pages of western publications, interviews, sources that report important information, and all this has been going on for some time, and in fact it is very disturbing, because apparently ukrainians deserve to be spoken to directly one-on-one, not in the framework of a press conference, where it is possible to somehow clarify and discuss some topics more deeply, but in the framework of deeper communication and even with some guests. with questions, with clarifications, it is ukrainian journalists who know the internal situation in ukraine, because they live here and

they are in that society, they understand this situation, that is why it is absolutely necessary to speak and speak frankly, and it is also necessary to understand what the situation is with regard to some corrupt on the one hand, on the other hand, in which ukrainians can be disappointed, the police are there today reported that she suspects bribery and illegal imprisonment of five people. workers of tsk in ternopil region, that is, there are accusations that there is a whole financial scheme, that these people demanded money from people, even those who are not of mobilization age, so that they would not be mobilized, eh, that is, this is all happening, and people know about these schemes, and people run away like that, well, i don't know if you have encountered it, but there are situations when, well, relatively speaking, you lived, you had a neighbor, and then once there a family left, this man left somehow, this now very actively, for example, is happening, people see all this and understand that there is some corruption, some bribes, and

it will probably be a rather convincing argument for society that the state also keeps its finger on the pulse, if there are really more processes there, that the police will be more to reveal such schemes, and perhaps, due to the fact that there will be a fight against this corruption in these places, there will be more justice in matters of mobilization, then trust may be restored in some way and communication, i... i don't know if it is possible to improve, in fact, this is again a question for communicators in this, but trying to improve this communication is definitely necessary. thank you, kateryna, olya, you, you, as a mother of a serviceman, well, i understand that asking you now about how you feel about the fact that some of the servicemen avoid mobilization, or try to go abroad, for money, for military service connected, yes, yes, and this, and this is also a big, well... such a question, yes, that is, the history of your family,

your son, and the fact that he was wounded on the war, and how you actually perceive it, well , you have much more, obviously there are questions about how mobilization takes place, about how all these schemes work, obviously, part of the government is involved in these schemes, because to organize it is a big this corruption scheme, when people... are taken across the border and they are successfully taken out and money is made from it, she mentioned it to the tsk, the monthly budget there was $150,000, and the police recorded it, that is, how to restore people's trust, let's say , to the state, because no lack of trust in mobilization is probably distrust in state institutions, in those people who represent these state institutions, or is it a general distrust, how? which is multiplied there by fear, by misunderstanding of what is happening,

what is the reason that 40% of people think that somehow it is possible to loop around there and avoid all that is happening around? here , in my opinion, there is such a paradoxical story, a large part of those people who, when the matter already touches... relatives, their loved ones, son, brother, husband, and they begin that it is called digging the ground to protect your little blood from the terrible. mobilization, it is these people, not some others, who are speaking, and i have no suspicion that they are not speaking sincerely, but masquerading as someone, we are speaking for the armed forces of ukraine, we are praying for the victory of ukraine, god forbid, to break already neck

of russia and putin, that is, it is in the same head, i have encountered about... with such people, since i am a journalist and work on business trips and communicate with people, and i do not even know what caused the mass emergence of such a phenomenon as a citizen of ukraine , i definitely for the victory of ukraine, not to give a single piece of our land, to break... the spine of russian aggression there, but let someone do it, not me and not my relatives, that is, the involvement of a very large number of citizens in realizing that it is such, after all, it is a civic duty connection, it

is at the level of the plinth, that is , people do not extrapolate it to themselves, and... i don't know what can be done now in this situation, because , well, to a certain extent, we are journalists as well, i don't want to blame us , but there are dramatic ones, just as there are tragic plots and heroic plots - this is what happens in the war, a commoner sits, watches tv, he cools down and says: my god, yes... heroes, but i'm not a hero, i'm an ordinary guy, i'll go to the military commissariat, they'll kill me there on the third day, as soon as i go to the front, no, i will not go, i will hide, and when you talk to the military, those who have already smelled gunpowder, who have fought, my lord, everything must be done differently, this, by the way, is about communication,

to explain literally on the fingers that there are many re'. what should be done, well, the same fortifications, this is also very necessary, and it is necessary to mobilize people for this, if a person is dying, he is afraid, because he will die, how will he go to fight, well, there is nothing to work with a psychologist, to build there, i don’t know, dugouts, some lines of defense, but, well, to explain... to to citizens who are running away from mobilization like hell, unfortunately, we have very few positive ways out, yes, we have either a full occupation of ukraine, well, this is already such a general thing, it’s even somehow strange to repeat it, but not putin will stop if

he is given donetsk, luhansk, zaporizhzhya, kherson and withdrawn. from there troops, he will go further, and he will go to kyiv, or jointly decide, that’s all, the ukraine project, we finish, who can go to poland, to europe, who has a different mood, stays here and greets the russian brothers, that is, well, that really a conversation between serious and conscious citizens in this situation, so we choose good people, and if that's all... after all, we don't want to go from there, well, let's make some kind of decision so that these military commissars or whatever they are called now , did not walk with nets and did not catch those like butterflies there they want to fly for the yew tree, thank you, and one more topic at the very end of our conversation, my dear colleagues, this is a survey about

the attitude of ukrainians to political parties, forgive me, let's talk about political parties. today, among the nine political parties , ukrainians have the most negative attitude towards the servant of the people, the motherland, and the banned opz. this, in particular, is evidenced by the results of the survey of the national democratic institute and the kyiv international institute of sociology, the most positive attitude towards the party of serhiy prytula, the european of solidarity and strike vitaliy klitschko. well, these are the survey results, as you can see now. on the screen, that is, it is clear that this negative attitude towards the servant of the people is probably expected, because monopolies imply monopolies and... what is monopolies, it means that it is responsible for everything, the servants of the people are responsible for everything, of course there will also be a ban on opzzh, why however, she is in

the survey, probably because the deputies still sit in the verkhovna rada of ukraine. kateryna, how do you perceive these political preferences of ukrainians and whether this is even relevant survey, well, in wartime, because it is clear that it would be obvious in peacetime. probably the results would be a little different. surveys are such a thing that you have to dive deeper into them sometimes to understand trends, but someone can tell you, sergey, that 48% is not so much, it is not 80%, for example, and really, maybe , this is not a bad indicator, considering the situation in which we all found ourselves, considering the amount of criticism that can be poured out and goes to the side and fair criticism often in the direction of the monomajority, for example, yes. that is, here with what angle to look at, so to speak, about the fact that the attitude towards the asylum party has become very favorable, for example, well, this is definitely confirmed

and i don't remember when it was, maybe in the spring, there was also a survey of dem initiatives, and there was a high there was a percentage of requests for new faces, and in fact there was also a request for populism, this trend also continues and holds, that is, it is obvious that in five... years under the power of the president there, well, in a normal situation, without a full-scale war, there were there would be elections, and people could at least show their attitude and evaluate the situation, nevertheless, if you look even deeper at the survey, then the support of the current government is there, but it is not 80%, of course it has already fallen over these years, the last two years, but nevertheless, it is also holding, there is, and in fact, as long as there are no elections, as long as there is the... parliament that is there, it would certainly be good if there was this synergy, but again there is a question of trust, which i will add to the previous topic, because not all heroes,

for example, not everyone is born a hero, not everyone understands all the processes there, so with people it is necessary to speak, and it is important what language to speak, if we remember the beginning of the full-scale invasion and what words were used to call the russian military, well, you remember, it's just that they are not human, and weak, and there are chumps, well, different such words, and that was and in the media, including, and begged. at the beginning, there was such a picture that they were nothing, and on the other hand, a ukrainian military hero, there really is no objection here, but such a picture also emerged, and the person sitting today understands that he is not so strong, not so brave and is afraid death, and this is a question of psychologists, a normal story, she may simply consider herself not a person who is not strong enough for such tests, so here the dialogue should be in the other direction, and the rhetoric of the media and the authorities should definitely be more... more balanced somewhere and fair in order to, well, not paint that coloring page in some unrealistic colors, but in order that the picture, which the media also broadcast,

was in real colors without filters, thank you, thank you katya, ulya, or on time to conduct social surveys at all, i caught myself i think that we often discuss on the air the polls that sociologists give us about political parties, about ratings, trust and... is ukrainian society in such a stressful state, or does it adequately assess what is happening ? in politics, with politicians, with people they trust. well, if i were a professional sociologist, i would probably give a professional answer, and since i don't have a special education, i can only think that according to the opinion of sociologists, non-addicts should pass. or society nervous, whether it is there in a state in such a state of calm or in a state of euphoria, well, although some indicators with a large error

should still give a characteristic, we, in which, at which point of our development we are, i am far from thinking , that this is an objective picture, and that these... numbers that people indicate, there are already many factors, why they answer exactly like that, you can think one thing, answer another, tell your wife or husband in the kitchen there at home a third, yes, these are also known things, well, but refuse to the principle of opinion polls is only because we have a war and we are all nervous, well, after all , opinion polls... are not only about parties, already, if about parties, then i will put my three money in according to my deep conviction, in ukraine there are parties and no, by and

large the party, from the language of understanding. it is something that, in addition to a leader, functionaries and organizational structures, also has an ideology and is also spread in the country, well, show me which party we have now is characterized by this, has an office, has a leader, ideologies and spread in to the country, unfortunately, thank you for being guests of our program today, thank you colleagues for participating in the program, i would like to remind you that during our broadcast we conducted a survey, we asked you about whether you expect gold medals from ukrainian olympians, we will see the results of the television survey, therefore, 80% are expecting, 20% are not, i want these 20% to also be optimists, as we were expecting gold medals from ukrainian olympians, we will put an end to this, on this positive note, this was

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