of the police said that absolutely no and well lost, you know, not the kind that does not understand, it is simply clear that this exchange was carried out in order for hamala garis and joseph biden to meet the americans, and we have rico krieger leading this german, well i don't know, i'm far from giving any evaluations based on appearance, but that propaganda film... that the russians showed, you understand what it's about, he's actually accused of hooliganism, and most likely it was the basis of the belarusian special services, so what's the matter, they fly here spies, one, well, some classic just illegal, classic, killer, handsome, so, well, what's going on, it's just really... "it's just, i think, a moral

big problem for the west, and i, you know, such a triumph i don't understand realpolitik very well, when murderers and russian spies are released, and you cause such a serious, serious perception of how the west actually also participates in this action, it is clear that it was necessary to save political opponents putin and journalists, but, but, well, killers and spies at large, they are met on the red carpet by putin, there are many questions. thank you, mr. yevgeny , for the conversation, it was yevhen magda, executive director of the institute of world politics. there are

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russian agency in ukraine. the sbu is fighting mass arson of military vehicles and exposes enemy spies in various. regions, for what purpose does the fsb shake up ukrainian society by using teenagers? not necessarily a necessity. the majority of ukrainians are very concerned about the intensification of mobilization processes in ukraine, but admit that russia cannot be defeated without it. how to change the situation? the decline of the servant of the people. the president's political party is rapidly losing public trust, why are zelensky's voters turning away from his colleagues in the parliament? throughout our broadcast, friends, we are conducting a survey today, we we ask, strangely enough, about the olympics and the participation of our olympians in the olympics, and we ask you about whether you expect gold

medals from ukrainian olympians, so far there is one bronze medal and one silver, but we hope for gold, well at least espresso tv channel hopes. what do you think and what are your expectations you can take part in our vote, we are interested to know your opinion on youtube everything is quite simple, yes no, or write your own opinion under this video in the comments if you watch us in tv broadcasts, pick up your smartphone or phone and vote if you expect gold medals from the olympic team of ukraine 0.800 211 381, no 0.800 211 382, ​​all calls to these numbers are free, vote at the end of the program. we will sum up the results of this vote, i want to introduce the guests of today's studio, today we have a journalism club, a traditional journalism club that we hold every friday, olga musahirova, correspondent of the new newspaper europe in ukraine, olya, i welcome you, thank you, that you are with us today, and

kateryna nekrecha, rfe/rl journalist, kateryna, good evening, thank you for joining our broadcast, congratulations, colleagues, since we are asking our tv viewers about... the olympic games, the olympic gold of ukraine, i will ask you, although it is a rhetorical kind of question , are you waiting, of course, we are all waiting, you can answer quite simply, olya, are you waiting for the olympic gold, and the ukrainian team is already a winner, because it is participating in the olympics, already, they have already won gold medals, kateryna, i think , that we we have to not just wait, but also understand whether as a state or as a society we... have made sure that ukrainian athletes train in good conditions, for example, all that can be heard today about ukrainian sports and champions is that they in spite of everything, despite these conditions, they achieve success, and this is indeed a victory, but there must be support, and it is probably

easier to follow sports in peaceful times, i would like more ukrainians to follow sports, sit down by the tv, watch it everyone knew their own athletes, not only those who receive gold and silver medals there, were generally interested in this, and, of course, to support, and the state supported its athletes, because this is very important. thank you kateryna, well, we will wait for the gold, for the ukrainian gold, although, as ulha musafirova said, they have already won and received all the medals, because in principle , the ukrainian national team is at the 20-24 olympics, during the bloody war that is raging in ukraine . and this is already a big victory for our athletes, so, my dear colleagues, let's start ours a conversation from the russian agency, because we see how during the last few weeks, especially, the attacks on cars,

the ukrainian military, the fsb are trying to shake up ukrainian society, as the head of the national criminal investigation says. police officer vadym dzyubynskyi on the broadcast of the telethon has accurate statistics of the number of military cars set on fire, and this is how he explains who and why is burning the cars of the armed forces of ukraine. 59 cases of setting fire to servicemen's cars were revealed, 68 persons were found guilty of these crimes, they are minors, well, there are also pre-adults who commit these crimes, and they have only one thing in common, this is the desire of all these people to make quick and easy money, and what unites all these people is that all cars , which were set on fire,

they were all set on fire by order of representatives of the special services of the russian federation. olya, we see how the russians are trying. a large internal front within the ukrainian state, to quarrel ukrainians, to quarrel ukrainian people who speak ukrainian, ukrainian-speakers wanted to say russian-speakers, there are no russian-speakers who they speak ukrainian is spoken in russian, we see these arson attacks organized by the special services of the russian federation, does this mean that the ukrainian special services may not be finalizing, perhaps not working out, for example, telegram and all these chats, bots, and all these orders that are obviously coming through all these social networks and through messengers, i.e. why ukrainians on the third. the year of the bloody war, the great war, nevertheless become part of

the great russian machine to destabilize the situation in ukraine. well, let's try to figure it out, at least within the scope of our journalistic powers. as far as i understand, the methods of special services of countries all over the world, they do not have many differences, yes. as in our childhood, when we played, ours were scouts, and theirs were spies. well, actually, this situation is a mirror image of what is in russia and what is in ukraine. well, we must realize that, again, the arsenal of the special services that organize such sabotage is similar, both in ours and in the russians, and... when sometimes our special services

report on the spread of partisan movement on the territory of bryansk, kursk and voronev regions, i would urge you to be a little more conscious about it, there is no partisan movement there, these are the same teenagers. some dysfunctional elements, whom you can buy for 3 kopecks and say: go and set fire to that relay box, well , unfortunately, this is real life and realpolitik, what we are facing, here we can only compare which special service works more efficiently, that is, who more incendiary, russians to us because of teenagers, there are some marginals, or us to the russians, if the second number is

two, three, four times higher, i will say that the special services are working perfectly, for the sake of, well, sorry, it is called terrorism, yes, sabotage work, it is not, it is not a swear word, it is not something like that, it's just a definition, yes, sabotage work is a component, a component of war, important. component of the war, and be sure that ukraine also uses, i hope, this option to the full, just as the russians use it to the full, i am interested in who is more effective in this, who is more effective, well he will be able to do more, but to say that this can be helped somehow, by and large , no way, you can’t put a policeman next to every teenager, there is a father and a mother to monitor which chats he enters, and all the more so that russia is positioning itself as

a terrorist state, and it is clear that after yesterday's exchange, which took place between the russian federation and the civilized world, when putin met murderers and its spies, or their spies, it is clear that espionage is involved in this situation. and terrorism, and sabotage, this is a part, a big part, not even of the work of the special services, but of the great state policy of the russian federation, because ukraine, despite everything, does not demonstrate, does not meet killers at the runway of the plane and does not lay out a red carpet in order to it's great to say to the killer there, as putin said to krasikov, but they admitted it. that krasikov is an fsb agent, and this is already an established fact, it was said out loud, it is also important,

part of the state structure, yes, but come on kateryna, russia is not only teenagers are not there for them to burn cars and destabilize the situation not only because of this youth environment, which obviously wants to make money, or wants to demonstrate that they are some kind of cool, and... can do something there, some such act and show off among their peers, we, we see that despite everything in ukraine , it continues to exist... the great fifth column of the russian federation is also opzh deputies, they did not go anywhere, more than 400 deputies were elected to local councils from opzh on october 20, 2020, representatives of opzh sit in to the verkhovna rada, the moscow church is not banned in ukraine, but if

we talk globally about how and in what way russia is trying to control the internal situation in... or influence the internal situation in ukraine, what in your opinion interferes with the ukrainian authorities, well at least those who openly demonstrate pro-russian and pro-kremlin views should still be removed from running the country, from passing laws, and from the fact that they influence parishioners. parishioners, well, sometimes deputies of the opz, they help pass certain laws, there is such a moment that interferes, i don't know, i admit that not even all the deputies who were elected to local councils from opzh are people who do not respect the sovereignty of ukraine, i also admit that, and i would be

careful here and in those statements that teenagers are such are influenced so that it does not apply. all teenagers, or that ukrainians are influenced, so that in our words this does not apply to everyone, we are indeed in a very alarming situation, and we are going through the most easy times, the ukrainian special services warned that russia will destabilize and sabotage, we are as if about it knew, but one can never be prepared for the fact that a public figure, a linguist, can simply be shot in the middle of the street of a white house in lviv, and that is... these are things that a mentally healthy person cannot be prepared for, of course, and i don't know what special services and the police, and surely people's attention to details that can be seen around them, and surely people living in this country should now

pay more attention to these details, maybe call the police once again if... that you see something suspicious, you know, after murder of iryna farion, i live in lviv, and i was just walking down the street in the center, and two women, they somehow stopped next to a guy who was sitting on the floor, he looked like a person, drunk, or maybe under drugs, he was just sitting there , and one says to each other, they have already left, and the other says, well, something must be done, because he can call the police, because here are people like him who later kill farion, that is, after... for such, unfortunately, tragic cases, maybe a part of society will pay attention to those details. this is another matter, the work of the special services, in order to prevent something, to find those people who violate ukrainian legislation, to find other people and those channels thanks to which the special services of the russian federation manage to recruit these people, we also need to understand what

the economic situation there is now, and we also have to understand that parents cannot follow their child, especially... the child in her interests, parents are also busy with survival, work, and so on, and that is, these are all many factors, and the country is not richer, on the contrary poorer, and these factors can manifest themselves much more, educational work, more attention, perhaps in educational institutions to certain moments, more attention simply to each other, in the family to each other, with neighbors to each other, in some educational institutions, this what society can do, well, a colleague said that... i wonder who has more such means, obviously we understand that the russian special services, which simply work very, very long and transfer experience, and again did you mention this exchange which also showed many that russia is not leaving its own, this is an important indicator, and it does not look like russia is going to weaken its

special services, and, of course, at the same time, ukraine is probably building them up, so it seems to me that they are not the ones.. we must hope for this law enforcement activity of the ukrainian forces, but also for ourselves to do what depends on each of us. thank you katya. ulyu, we already mentioned this case with the return of killers and spies to the russian federation, and it all looks very strange, because putin takes hostages of journalists, political opponents, public figures, creates a pool, an exchange fund, and then exchanges them for killers and spies, our western partners, well, in principle, they did the right thing, that the russian opposition. were taken out of prison, and not only russian, but also american hostages, they returned them back, but isn't this a plea for putin, listen, well

, let's continue to change, because in principle, this stimulates putin to arrest him there a dozen more journalists or political figures in order to he of all his killers, spies... people who poisoned someone in the west there to get them out like that, this exchange, what does it testify to? well, i would have paid attention to this at the beginning, and this, it seems to me, is the most important and most annoying thing in this story, it turns out, it is just now being revealed. contacts, and fairly close and fairly productive contacts, as there was still chatter between the united states and russia, took place

during the year from march 23rd, if you believe the sources who said, then this process began and ended with what we saw, uh, you know, that's how you imagine it. two such world giants, who negotiate with each other, and in the end reach a common opinion, in the end reach a compromise, since a successful exchange is a compromise, let's call things by their names, and ukraine stands on the sidelines with such vague curiosity, says: oh, but so it was possible, they agreed, so you talked with putin there. you give us these, and we will give these, that is, well, this is the story of the big world players, here i

feel a little bit, as a citizen of ukraine, in such a precarious position, i will not speak now obvious things, how many ukrainian fighters, ukrainian political prisoners are currently in russian prisons and colonies. people who are, well, for a very long time in critical conditions, even the thought, well, does not lead us to this, that we can just as well turn out such an operation, that is, i am for god’s sake, i am glad that there are many worthy people, well, really worthy the same karamurza can be treated differently. to those whom we call good russians, yes, but, if you take them separately, these are people, really, well, that is,

i will not tell about them now, it is clear that it's good that they got freedom, it's good that the wall street journal journalist evan hershkovich was released, but the fact that the killers, who are behind them, and world-class spies. who were hunted by the special services of both american and european countries, they went to their homeland again and were met there as heroes, so they are still promised to be rewarded for loyalty to the homeland, for loyalty to the oath, well , what happened happened, and i have a logical question : and this is the last such exchange, maybe? there will be some more exchanges in that regard, and well, that's how it is in ukrainian self-love, it hits quite hard, yes,

first of all, we learn about very deep and long-term interstate contacts between the kremlin and the white house, this story is in the first place for me here. thank you, ulya, remind our viewers that we... during the entire broadcast, we are conducting a survey, we ask you, friends, about this, do you expect gold medals from ukrainian olympians? yes, no, everything is quite simple on youtube, yes, no, if you watch us on tv, pick up your smartphone or phone and vote for by numbers 0800 211 381, if you are waiting for gold medals from ukrainian olympians, no, 0.800 211 382, ​​all calls to these numbers are free. another fairly relevant topic, to which the russian ... federation in ukraine is also involved, is the destabilization of society regarding mobilization, regarding the work of the tsc, regarding how everything is actually

happening in ukraine, they are very... very scrupulous relate to this, disperse all this information on their resources, including in telegram channels that speak the results of the poll of the rozumkov center, as analyzed in the mirror of the week in the article mobilization, why ukrainians are in no hurry to serve, can it be changed, more than half of ukrainians are very concerned about activation and mobilization in ukraine, and... they say, ukrainians, talk about that mobilization is necessary because without it ukraine will be occupied by russian troops. according to the survey by the razumkov center, almost 60% of respondents were in favor of mobilization, another 40% believe that mobilization will only lead to new victims and will not bring victory or the signing of a peace agreement,

while almost 50... respondents do not believe that the situation at the front requires mobilization by forced methods, only 26.7% agree with the need for forced mobilization. katerina, here are all these discussions about what mobilization should be, forced, non-forced, someone believes that mobilization should be, 40% believe that mobilization will lead to new victims and will not bring victory or signing closer. peace agreement, about what, about what such figures in opinion polls indicate that ukrainians they do not fully understand what is happening now and that a great war is going on, and that mobilization will take place and conscripts will be mobilized, is it still possible that ukrainian citizens should speak to them in an adult manner to the ukrainian authorities and

stop it.. .. to play tricks and say, well, the head of the armed forces of ukraine should decide, as it was from the very beginning, whether the military-political leadership nods to the military leadership, that is, whether it is a result of the fact that the government communicates incorrectly with society, or society does not understand this, what is the reason, i am not a communicator, so that... see, but i also communicate a lot with colleagues, obviously, with various experts, with politicians who join the airwaves, and also and with mothers on playgrounds, and there with neighbors, somewhere at bus stops with people, and about these things, and of course, at this moment, at this stage, there is a very clear understanding that society must

speak in an adult manner, because. .. that on the one hand we see information there from new york times, which was not officially confirmed by the ukrainian authorities, but american journalists write about the fact that now there is a large round of mobilization and 30,000 people are being mobilized every month, of course with such figures, but we can see all this in our environment, the war is getting closer and closer to of every ukrainian, and related to this there is anxiety somewhere, somewhere... an understanding that it is already close, somewhere an understanding that there is no alternative, and on the other hand, there is really a lot of news, talk about the peace summit, for example, and that , which i noticed in conversations with people, very often, well such a simple question arises, then we are preparing to fight and it will be long, will there be any truce, and you know that often, i am sure you have seen it in the comments and heard from people, as well as that you just have

to be patient a little bit. go and wait, there will be a truce in the fall and that's all, that is, this is also a misleading understanding of the situation, today on the air with volodymyr fesenko they talked about it, that there really is a little lack of understanding here, it is necessary to explain, maybe a little more, that this is how war is for us as well we need people and we need to mobilize and continue everyone to do what he can, to understand what the situation is, on the other hand to communicate that the peace summit is one of'. many attempts to fix the situation and somehow, for the world to help ukraine, to force, as the ukrainian authorities say, to force russia to those negotiations and to a truce. that is, obviously, in all these issues, there is not enough communication, there is not enough communication with the ukrainian media, with ukrainian journalists, all the important news and statements from the ukrainian authorities, from the ukrainian president, we read on the pages western