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them, modeling our future, every saturday at 1:10 p.m. with a repeat at 10:00 p.m. studio event with anton borkovsky at espresso. the verkhovna rada regularly passes new laws, but how do these changes affect our lives? we analyzed the new resolutions in order to to inform you about the latest changes in ukrainian legislation, how legislative norms change our lives, what to prepare for? leading lawyers of the aktum bar association will answer these and other questions that concern ukrainians. watch every tuesday at 7:55 in the legal expertise program on the espresso tv channel. thank you that with espresso, in this early saturday morning, we do not forget to continue collecting for our defenders, because if not us, then who. so, see the qr code on... the camera and it will immediately
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open a bank account for you. we are in the meantime, let's add to the conversation our morning guest ihor aiterovych, head of political and legal programs of the ukrainian center for social development. mr. igor, good morning, glory to ukraine. glory to the heroes, congratulations. mr. igor, you just so briefly recounted this double victory of putin, when the special services and western leaders are placed on the shoulders, confirming that not... yulia latynina, the only one together with her aristovychs who can work for putin, there was a press conference yesterday everyone who was taken out as part of this exchange got on it twice the russians tried to send kara murza to the navalny special service, he is such an enemy of putin that the first thing he began to say at his press conference was to cancel the sanctions, because they are directed against good russians, and the russians are all good, they... wrote me letters, but not
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against putin's regime, why should putin blame the chekists, if there are such good liberals, it's a double blunder, and a double game now. against ukraine by the hands of various karamurza and other opposition, what to do with it? well, you can really be certain about this problem, because it is clear that for a certain period of time, a couple of months, at least, these people in the west will be listened to, well, at least they will have platforms for speeches, they will make some public statements, and the perception of the russian-ukrainian war in general, the perception those sanctions, which, for example, the west is introducing against russia, it can, well, to some extent... undergo transformations precisely against the background of the statements of these people, here the situation is really paradoxical, because both karamurza and the same yashin, they received there colossal terms, karomurza, in general, he really had assassination attempts there, and he would very likely have died
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in prison, well, like navalny, yes, but when they were returned, and moreover, germany made very serious concessions, which will still be reflected in the rating in fact, scholz and on the inside'. party relations, they immediately begin to promote this narrative that if it is putin, this is putin's war, and there is russia itself, the russians, this is not their war, this is a very bad story, and we have to think about what to do about it, how , well, stop this agenda in principle, wait, maybe some of them will make more concrete statements and see if they will have real mechanisms to influence something, i am still more inclined to the fact that they will not have such real mechanisms. they will appear a little, make some statements, and then, by the way, putin's second calculation will work, in addition to the fact that he abandons these people, they will now start telling that the sanctions are hitting ordinary russians there, he still hopes that they will begin
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to fight among themselves in the opposition environment and argue about who is the boss an oppositionist, and this will finally finish off the already extremely impotent russian opposition, which is sitting, but this is a rather weak tactic of ours, if we wait and... see, as they have already done it more than once, here are all the face-to-face battles between kasparov, khodarkovsky and so on, now others, other ambitious yashins and kara murza will be added, this is a bad bet, because we saw how in the previous case, more important than any information from warring and bleeding ukraine is the opinion of navalny's widow, as then they say, no sandwich, we will listen to her, but now even representatives of scholz's party. the first reaction: oh, how good, let's continue to negotiate, and in pure german, it turns out, putin is capable of an agreement? well, look, in our country, of course, we should not sit and watch, it is clear, it is obvious, and if they make any statements, these statements
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will contradict, well, everything that is happening there today in the context of the russian-ukrainian war , we must react to it at the official level, that is, through the statements of our diplomats there... political representations, including at the unofficial level, i do not know whether there will be any meetings between these oppositionists and, for example, representatives of the ukrainian authorities, i have certain doubts about this, let's say doubts, although this is a possible option or scenario , but we must now and then try to break their narrative that the real oppositionists are only those russians who are represented in several formations that are fighting against the russian federation and are a constituent part... not to be afraid to enter into some kind of conflict with them controversy and, by the way, to remind them that although ukraine did not appear directly in this
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exchange, it is clear that the context of the russian-ukrainian war influenced it. putin has simply driven himself so far into dead ends there on various issues that he needs to at least demonstrate something in terms of, as you... correctly noted, the ability to negotiate, and he is using this in order to change his own image there, and to show that you can talk to him about something there. we can very easily give an example that the huge number of captives of ukrainians is in russia, and russian prisoners are in ukraine and russia does not want to exchange them, that is, in fact, all putin's ability to negotiate boils down to the fact that he only exchanges a very limited number of people, outright murderers there, or spies there, and for them he gives those . which by and large, well, except for the citizens of the united states, this is a separate story, but he gives those oppositionists whose role in fact in russia, it is not that minimal, it is practically zero, this is a very important point, they are not representatives even some kind of government was changed, that is, these people cannot represent an alternative russia,
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because they never had the appropriate powers and the appropriate resources for this, look at the appearance here, i still have to react simply to the words about prisoners and prisoners, because if we compare. .. the footage of these prisoners, who were transferred for exchange, and our prisoners of war, these are simply two completely different pictures, and these people look completely different, this is the first thing that strikes the people. and secondly, in general, the situation in germany itself also looks a little different now, because on the one hand the social democrats say that it is possible to negotiate with the russians, you see, the exchange took place and the whole world, and on the other hand, the german newspaper frankfurter algemine refers to its sources in the government, and they say that in fact in the german prosecutor general's office very disappointed with everything that happened, and they are even the investigators of germany. they don't understand how this could happen, why krasnikov was simply taken and handed over, and before
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that they were simply prevented from carrying out the sentence in the case to the end. what is happening in germany itself now, why, why is this happening well, look, this is a purely political decision, and this decision scholz made under the influence, i won't say pressure, he made under the influence of the united states of america biden itself. in his speech, he said directly about this that i understand that germany has made very serious concessions, and these concessions are, well, maybe not the ones they would like to make, i understand this perfectly, i thank germany very much, but well indeed, they did such things, which will not be very unambiguously perceived in the country itself, that is why scholz is very much here he takes a lot of risk, i think that the level of arguments that the united states probably presented for him was well weighted, if he ultimately made such a decision. accepted, that is , there are no procedural, criminal moments here, this is a purely political story,
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germany really handed over a person against whom not even the entire procedure was completed, a person who was convicted of simple murder, let me remind you, he killed a person simply in a park, in broad daylight , and then wanted to put on a wig and go somewhere for a gyrosco, the widow of this very hero ichkeriya, in zelimkhan gangoshvili, she is simply shocked, she says that... the opinion of the victims is unimportant to the german authorities, and here such a wise politician as scholz was beaten by some potato führer, it was a classic ping pong, we grab the first one caught, we sentence to the death penalty, says lukashenka, then we change, because there was no, there was no mechanism to attract the germans, but it was like two kittens, as he said. chattered, in this case
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, how can one of the political centers of europe come to such an extent to do so it's stupid to play it all out, look, i 'll still remind you that here the influence of the united states was also very great, the states put pressure, that is, the states wanted to return their citizens, but they were given, russia set a condition, it will happen, if only return krasnikov, they began somehow to pressure or communicate with germany and ask them to do it, so of course. could have launched lukashenka, they didn't put pressure on lukashenka, but they grabbed the german so that there would be someone to exchange them for? well, you see, this is a really primitive campaign that was made russians together with belarusians, and the west here in general, let’s put it this way, the general west has fallen into this trap in what sense, because for them, after all, people’s lives are the most important value, and putin is once again very heavily manipulated, will it have any other consequences, i think in the near future, unlikely, but for ... himself , putin actually ticked this box that there is a tool that i can use and with which i can put pressure on the connection
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states, to germany, to some other countries there and knock out what i actually need. the question is whether there are simply people in the west who have been arrested, who are still of interest to putin, so you know, to organize another exchange there. i think that there are no such people yet, and the putin regime, it will gradually start to fill this exchange fund again, sorry for such a comparison. they call him that themselves, in order to have some opportunity to do something later, well, the only thing, by the way, that can save schols's face now, and for that a certain bet is being made, i think that somewhere in between these inter-party skirmishes he will indicate that the united states is there on the eve of these exchanges, they have made a statement about placing missiles there, about strengthening their contingent in germany itself, maybe it is from on their part, this is, you know, a gesture that should show that... we asked you for a favor here, but we, on our part , will also do everything in order to
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help protect you as much as possible from possible aggression there by the russian federation. by and large, this will not help scholz much, because he has such a situation that it will be difficult for him to deal with it somehow, but look, there is a nuance here, and this nuance is dangerous for us, we started with this, so that the government now, the same german, did not start to use these people, well, russians, these oppositionists, in order to show that you see, we have none the less. we made an additional channel of communication there, this is some kind of alternative russia, so they will be the future there, well , the future power in russia, and they will do it on the territory of germany, that is, we are some there is a benefit for... themselves in the future , why is it dangerous for us, because you understand, well, it is again about the fact that some kind of democracy is possible in russia, especially with such people who, to put it mildly, they were unsuccessful politicians, to put it mildly, yes, because the very fact that they are now in germany, and they were also exchanged, shows that they were bad politicians, because they gave putin the opportunity to come to power ,
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to gain a foothold in power, to do all that he considers proper there, from the bad russians will be to mold good russians again... yes, mr. igor, let's move on to our ukrainian democracy, a few months ago we heard very optimistic statements, such elation from the west, about how cool and good a diplomat yermak is in our country and how much good he actually does, here now everything is the exact opposite and bloomberg writes that the allies are worried because they believe that yermak's influence is growing too rapidly and there are already certain threats, what led to this? well, two facts led to such an insight: the first: indeed yermak is now responsible for a huge amount things in the country, the president speaks about it directly, and in the hands of one person is concentrated enormous power, from the point of view of the preparation of the second peace summit there, personnel appointments and many, many other things, and the second
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factor, well, it is that the power is concentrated in the hands of a person whose powers... whose position is not prescribed at all , not what is written in the constitution, in the regulatory legal base of ukraine, that is, this person, according to his own, according to his status, he is not, well, he is nobody, well, let's do it let's say, it is not state-owned there employee, she does not bear any responsibility for the actions that she does, that is, because he can be fired and that's it, and he can't even be held accountable there, because he doesn't fall under. of the law, for example, there under the state, well, about the civil service and so on, and such nuances were clear to our partners in principle even before, but i think that if it were not for a large-scale invasion, then they would have started paying attention to it a lot you know, a couple of years ago, there was a war postponed this story to some extent, because there they closed their eyes to these things, and they believed that
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the most important thing now is to oppose russian aggression there, as ukraine will do, this is already such a story, let it choose for itself. but now, since the situation has stabilized to some extent, they see that the growth of this influence, well, it is already some kind of inadequate, abnormal, which means it has stabilized, mr. igor, but on july 29 , the us special representative for economic recovery came to us, ms. pritzker, in particular, openly said that it turns out to be a democratic, revived ukraine, this worries us more than the group. effective managers on the bank street, it was just openly said, well, somehow this concern dragged on over time, a very long concern, a protracted concern that our vice president does what he wants, well , look, i meant stabilization in the sense , that if compared there with the 22nd year and now, it is a slightly different story, and now
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it is precisely because of this that they started to pay more attention to it, because there are no more arguments, and why? this person has such powers, if in the 22nd year it was possible to say, well, the fewer people it makes, the better from the point of view of security , it is more effective, now it does not work like that, we have a normal, normal, even during the war system, it democratic, just the problem is that it is now, you know, so artificially prevented from developing and prevented from functioning, and that is precisely why mrs. pritzker came and her statement, and then this article came out, that is, at the end of the ... but hello, that we see everything, we are everything we understand, and the arguments that were given earlier are not enough for us, whether this warning is enough for the bank itself, i honestly doubt it, because if you look at the statements of the president, especially his statement that i instructed the office of the president and then only the ministry of foreign affairs prepares the second peace summit there and prepares some proposals for this, well
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, this end of the war from ukraine, well, this is already a very revealing story, i will remind you, by the way, that only three people. officially have the right to speak on behalf of ukraine, this is the president, the prime minister and the minister of foreign affairs, and it turns out that we have a fourth person, and this fourth person really has such powers that are not subject to any control and it is not clear what they can actually lead to, so for now bankova will be to turn a blind eye to all this, they will look for someone else responsible for the problems that exist in the country, i am convinced, by the way, that the most effective prime minister will most likely become such a responsible person in the fall. minister for the entire history of ukraine, well, i am quoting the speaker, but he is his as he called it, he will be made extreme in this story, well, the president will keep yermak as long as possible, at least until some real negotiations with... russia begin, and then, perhaps, based on the results, there will be some changes, and then far from being a fact. about these negotiations, even a blind person, or one with one eye, can see
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that the ukrainian government is ahead of the entire planet , as if to inculcate the idea that oh, oh, we have to sit down for negotiations. the extremes have already sounded so that we are ready to do it without even considering the presence of the occupying forces russian troops. so. event, says the president and commander-in-chief, no one with ukrainians is having any conversations with ukraine about the fact that we, what formula will we write, what formula should yarmak bring to this second peace summit, according to the results of the first summit, we have 0.0, except for one message that ukraine seems to be ready for negotiations, this is not our problem, if it is not our problem, and if in fact russia has not changed one iota of any of its aspirations, but more openly says that there are no there will be no negotiations, what is this informational and psychological attack for? on the ukrainians from the side of the authorities, so that they start
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to believe that some kind of peace formula is possible now, that it is possible to calm down and not capitulate, why are the population attacked from morning to night with all these messages? well, in order to form the appropriate public opinion that the president, when he will talk about the fact that we have developed a new plan, this plan is somewhat different in... let's say it so gently, yes, because we do not know, we with you forced, i'm just not the first week, like you, yes, we comment on some things that are based on one or two sentences of the president, and we must put together a puzzle from these sentences, about the fact that it is not necessary to be on the borders of 1991, that we will return the territories there through political and diplomatic measures and so on, so here are the ukrainians now they are just preparing for some other scenario, this scenario will be different from what was said before. and look, the meaning of this attack, so-called in another way, is to change the opinion of ukrainians little by little, some significant part, either during polls or during
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some other things, they said that such an option, even if not the best, was in principle acceptable, and then the president could deal with this opinion as well, that is, they will play a referendum, which is prohibited, in particular by the constitution, or they will, only this will be called differently, well, look. it can be called, for example, a consultative-advisory referendum, it can be called a consultative survey, which , by the way, can be conducted in this thing, yes, we take a smartphone there, conduct some kind of survey there, and then the president says, look, we asked the ukrainians , we asked them, that is, the plan is not mine, the plan is shared by the ukrainians, but you look at the sociological polls, they are already inserting scenarios there, the first scenario, the second scenario, the third scenario, then they will push it further, to push, when there is already a certain... picture, the president, i think, will come out and say that it is not so much my responsibility, i am just doing what the ukrainians want, well, of course, here you can believe in the best, and that it is done with a different
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purpose that the president could come out and tell our to the partners: look, the ukrainians are against this, and the ukrainians are only for this, and i cannot do otherwise, but i think that, after all, the conversation here is about the plan that will be developed at the bank and which what mr. yermak is doing is to somehow adjust public opinion and then say: to the ukrainians, this is not even my position, there is our position, it is your position, and i simply, as the president and commander-in-chief, voice it and, let's say, visualize it in to some specific document that we will present in the international community, is it within the framework of such a preparatory campaign, preparations for such a referendum, now it is said that some personnel decisions have been announced, the president went on several trips to the east of kharkiv, poltava region. then they even inspected west volyn and said that something needs to be changed at the government level, what do they want to change and what are they preparing for? well
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, look, we have five ministers in the status of acting once, something must be done about it, and secondly, it seems to me that the minister of health is at risk here, because after of such tenders for the reconstruction of uhomedit , someone will have to be appointed guilty, and although he is not actually directly related to such tenders, well, he is very ... falls into this logic that yes, let's say that the minister did not take care, and we will replace him, and look, no one canceled the story about the dismissal of the prime minister himself, all those conversations about the fact that the bank is tired, the president wants someone creative and so on, they didn't share him anywhere, by the way, which has not been removed now, because it is simply a wonder, in fact, part of the faction, moreover the manager, even there the representatives of the management team, yes, they simply rebelled and said, why the hell do we have to change the shmyga, what? he did such a thing that he must now resign, he sat for so many years, did not touch anyone, was as loyal as possible, now he must be replaced by someone, but this story, it has not disappeared from
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the agenda, believe me, how we have only just begun. we will understand that some things are simply not done, not ready and so on, well, in order to channelize this, more precisely, it is dissatisfaction, well, they will probably appoint the guilty the person who was just on the screen, unfortunately, lacked optimism, mr. igor, was in our conversation, but it would have been true and at least so that our viewers would understand what the realities are, thank you for your thoughts and analysis, igor reiterovych, the head of political and legal programs of the ukrainian center for social development was. that is, you see, here is this option, when we looked at the figures of the national democratic institute and the kyiv polling agency yesterday, and that 48% of ukrainians negatively evaluate the activities of the servant of the people, this is exactly the scenario that will be played out here, well, this capitulation is not from me, it is me , well, as in the series, the servant is the servant of the people, the people want to capitulate, there will always be someone who will be responsible for it, this is what
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