consequently, it caused a great scandal and publicity within the european union, certain political countermeasures have already been applied. for example, some eu member states boycott high-level meetings of the hungarian eu presidency, viktor orbán was not invited to the european parliament to present his presidential program. the head of the european commission, ursula vonlein, is not going to come to budapest, which is a very strong diplomatic signal. however, when it comes to practical countermeasures, punitive measures of sorts, the eu can do nothing. on unlike football, a player who breaks the rules is not a player. off the field of play, but he

will get far fewer opportunities to achieve something in the game, and that's what will happen to hungary, it's already happening to them. it is already clear that the trip to moscow caused hungary serious reputational losses from the point of view of prestige and trust of allies. meanwhile, it is not at all clear that it was hungary that benefited from this trip. so, the minuses are clear, but no one notes the pluses. the organization of the moscow trip, things that orban and putin discussed, and... and everything this remains a kind of mystery, a kind of mystery, it is simply not clear that hungary gained from this, but it is clear that it lost. can we say that mr. orbán is somehow dependent on putin, based on what we saw during his trip to russia and what he said when he returned. it is very difficult to assess, the last time

they met in beijing, already then during the beijing meeting, orbán openly said that the previous meeting in beijing was initiated by putin, and orbán could not say no. it was it's actually very telling, it's very difficult for an eu or nato prime minister. if putin called them to go, then they had to go. such was the previous meeting. regarding the current meeting, which took place two days after the trip to kyiv, the hungarian narrative is that it was budapest that initiated it, but again it is not clear what hungary actually gained from it. instead, it is quite clear what russia got. it was very interesting to watch how the russian state media covered this visit, when putin and orbán started a discussion, literally in the fifth sentence, putin called orbán an envoy of the european union, which...

technically, of course, is not true, but all the russian media covered orbán's visit as if the president of the european union had come to moscow, showing how important a player russia is, that it is not at all isolated over the course of several days, all russian state officials virtually celebrated this meeting, noting how important a player putin is to the president of the european union. so, from the point of view of domestic politics, russia is a lot won, and it was very profitable for her. why was it good for hungary? i honestly don't... mr. orbán also said that he has some kind of peace plan for ukraine. you know the details of this peace plan, i tried to look it up on the internet but couldn't find anything. it's not your fault, there is no plan. this narrative about the plan is actually very interesting because orbán does not have three things necessary.

peace in ukraine, until no one else can provide it, thirdly, it has no legitimacy, so it is interesting to imagine why orbán said that he is going to facilitate let's also not forget that in order to achieve peace, a ceasefire must first be achieved. so, the peace plan must be preceded by a ceasefire , this is a technical detail. as for the plan itself, there is no orbán plan. when he met with president zelensky, he called for some strange form of segmented ceasefire, but it was not detailed. and i am not aware of the existence of any such document that would develop this idea in detail in a segmented manner. when

he went to moscow, he didn't even make it to say a word, because putin ... almost immediately declared that russia was not ready to accept any external peace plan. and that the war should end according to the russian position. this is the ultimatum that russia announced just a day before the peace summit regarding ukraine and switzerland. the same ultimatum, which you know very well, ukraine must completely abandon donetsk. luhansk, zaporizhzhia and kherson regions and crimea. the ukrainian army must completely withdraw its troops from these regions. ukraine has forget about the intention to join nato and so on. so basically, putin didn't even let orbán explain his own ideas. instead, he

issued the usual russian ultimatums. when orbán went to beijing, he did the third thing, praised in chinese. so, in kyiv, moscow and beijing, orbán essentially voiced three different plans, so i don't see that he has his own plan, it's the absence of a plan. as for the lack of a mandate, no one asked hungary to mediate in this war, no one asked u... to do anything in the war. in order to be successful in mediation efforts, you need to have some mandate to do so. this leads to the third point, lack of trust. currently, hungary does not have the confidence within the eu and nato necessary for any mediation efforts. relations between hungary and ukraine have long been

strained. so, if ukraine were to ask any country to become a mediator, it would most likely not be hungary, right? this is to say the least, but if we talk about russia, then from their point of view hungary is. all that remains primarily a country of the eu and nato, a member of the two alliances that moscow perceives as hostile, so it would be very unusual if russia decided to trust orbán. yes, orbán is a useful tool for moscow, and hungarian foreign policy is a useful tool for russian diplomacy, but this does not at all mean that trust is emerging between them. so, even the three basic requirements necessary for any kind of peace mediation - mandate, trust and plan - are all missing. so you're not the only one who hasn't found his position, what exactly is going on? there is no such thing as orbán's plan. thank you very much. mr. ratz, prime minister orbán always says that the hungarian government will continue to provide

humanitarian aid to ukraine, but not arms, as this could bring the war closer to hungary's borders. is he really afraid of this? as far as i know, no, in the first days or in the first weeks of a full-scale war, when it was not yet clear whether ukraine would be able to withstand and how many territories the russians actually occupy, maybe so. but after ukraine won near kiev, after ukraine managed to push the russians out of mykolaiv oblast, then... liberate part of kherson oblast, then liberate kharkiv oblast region, and after the front was largely stabilized in october-november of '22, not a single person since then could have thought that the russian army would ever come much closer to hungary. this is not something that anyone would

seriously fear from the hungarian side. i mean, one can think or say a lot of bad things about hungarian diplomacy or foreign affairs. politics, but the people involved in it are professionals. at some level, hungary exchanges information with the eu and nato, so budapest has the data to make a proper assessment situations therefore, the argument, or a kind of argument, that budapest does not give weapons because these weapons will bring the front line closer to hungary, does not make sense. it's more like... i thought so too. let's talk a little more about the relationship between hungary and the european union. the biggest question i have is why prime minister orbán

is fighting so intensely with the eu leadership. what does he want to achieve with this? this is what the new polish government immediately did, after which the european commission immediately reacted and started directing earlier

suspended funds for poland. hungary clearly follows a different approach, the highly confrontational policies pursued by orbán seem to serve almost exclusively domestic political interests. rights the european union requires hungary to dismantle some key institutional components of the orbán regime: control over the mass media, suppression of civil society, influence over the judicial system, and some other things. without these changes , hungary will not have access to frozen eu assets. viktor orban needs to be elected between the security interests of his regime and the financial interests of the country, because they are ... in conflict with each other, as in every

authoritarian system, he chooses the security interests of his own regime, because if orbán decides to comply with the eu's demands, it will mean that he himself will have to deconstruct the key elements of the regime that guarantee his own power, it is very unlikely that he will go for it, so instead he ... plays open confrontation and tries to create a situation where in domestic politics, for domestic audience, he may try to present the whole story as that hungary does not receive eu money because of the eu's fault, because the eu hates hungary, because the eu discriminates against hungary, for example, because hungary pursues certain peace policies that are against the eu's interests, so it is mostly an internal political game. there is also an element of opacity here. the hungarian government

has less and less faith in the possibility of receiving this money from the european union. there is an opinion that this money is essentially lost. and when they no longer expect to get that money back, they do can afford to continue the confrontation because they have nothing to lose. mr. rats, let's talk a little bit about the hungarian minority in ukraine in the zakarpattia

region, especially in the berehiv district, there are quite a lot of ethnic hungarians living there, and prime minister orbán always says that he is going to protect this minority and will do everything possible for this. what can he do to protect the minority and is he just saying this to push his political agenda? ukrainians of hungarian origin, hundreds of them fight in the ukrainian army for the freedom and sovereignty of ukraine. dozens of them have already

died. the exact number is classified, but it is quite large. so, there are ethnic hungarians who are actively fighting for ukraine. if hungary really cared about the fate of the hungarian minority in zakarpattia oblast, it would be interested in... helping ukraine, in order to help the hungarian minority as well, in order to help ukraine win. moreover, imagine the situation.

difficult to answer, nevertheless, for several years from hungarian and ukrainian sides did not have a noticeably constructive approach. the government of budapest has shown no willingness to solve problems. thus, for several years

there was a stalemate in bilateral relations, which was also harmful for the ethnic hungarians of the transcarpathian region. we hope that the recent meeting between president zelenskyi and prime minister viktor orban in kyiv will change something. this meeting has been planned for years. orbán has been constantly invited by president zelenskyi for many years, and now the two leaders have met personally. we hope that this will become a catalyst for normalization. recently , there have been certain gestures, both from the hungarian side and from the ukrainian side, when it comes to technical details regarding languages, educational systems, educational rights, cultural rights and all these things. in the long term, i am optimistic, also because after this meeting, the head of the zakarpattia region viktor mykyta announced that there is a plan to organize a ukrainian-hungarian business forum to

discuss hungary's contribution to the recovery of ukraine and hungarian investments. and when money on the table, they usually have a dampening effect on the debate, when we talk about the economy, when we talk about money, it's always a more rational thing than when it comes to more symbolic political issues, despite the fact that orbán's visit to moscow clearly came as a surprise for kyiv, the ukrainian reaction was very restrained, moderate, wise and not escalating at all, this is again a certain indication that there is a chance for improved relations, despite the fact that ... years have been lost. i hope the future will look a little better and one more thing: the meeting between zelenskyi and orban was organized literally in five days. organizing a meeting of such a high level, in such a short time, is possible only when both parties really want it to

take place. in this case, both sides really wanted the meeting to take place, and this is again a good sign that ukraine. and hungary are now ready to overcome some difficult issues and move forward. my last question to you, mr. ratz, will be about what i would call the orbán trump tandem. hungarian prime minister viktor orbán constantly praises the potential future president of the united states, donald trump. orbán even visited florida and met with donald trump in maralago. how dangerous could this tandem be if donald trump wins

the election in november? this expression tandem is actually interesting, by calling them a tandem we 're indicating that they have equal power, but that's not exactly the case, but okay, let's call them a tandem, whatever you want to call them, it's kind of like a one-sided love, or something like that

to have a good relationship with both sides. even for a medium-sized, medium-sized country like ukraine, ukrainian diplomacy in washington, led by ambassador oksana markarova, has excellent connections with the democratic camp and several republican politicians. this is a classic strategy for how countries approach the current presidential race. you have good relations with ob'. and you delegate highly trained professional diplomats as ambassadors such as ambassador markarov from the ukrainian side or ambassador takach from the hungarian side. however, hungary

fully supports the republicans this time, which is very unusual. budapest won't get much if trump wins, don't overestimate hungary's importance to trump. in addition. hungary's close relationship with china will be a problem for the incoming trump administration. i consider it a serious problem. even hungary's close relations with russia will not necessarily be beneficial. so, even if trump wins, even if the hungarian bid wins, i'm not sure that it can bring any strategic benefits to of hungary meanwhile, if a democratic president leaves the race, hungarian-american relations will further deteriorate. of course, i said this would be the last question, but if you don't mind, i'll ask one more: how strong is viktor orbán's position in

hungary, and how long is he going to remain prime minister of that country. at the very least, the next parliamentary election is scheduled for 2026 if mr. orbán is healthy and continues to work. in the position of prime minister, there is no scenario in which he could to lose power by 2026, which will happen in 2026, well, the parliamentary elections are still a long way off. thank you very much mr. raz for joining us today and thank you very much for your answers, i really appreciate it. it was andra schratz, a hungarian security analyst, expert in german. the council on international relations, as well as a lecturer at corvin university talked with him about serious issues, in particular about hungary, about its leader viktor

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