and not to destroy the building, therefore, they receive some operational information from some agency, perhaps in kyiv, ilya ponomarov is writing to me just now, so i think that there will most likely be such attempts in the future, where possible, at a distance, with the help of drones , and somewhere there will be assassination attempts, some people will be sent, what is important here, it would seem, why do you want to kill him, in what way is he more dangerous than the same ones, this is generally a false assessment, they do not assess from the point of view of specific dangers. which arise from a political leader, they need demonstrate to everyone that you will not do this, support ukraine, promote russian connections, oppose putin as his enemies, spread information about what moscow produces in ukraine and not only, you need to demonstrate this, this is the main goal, not there was no specific danger from an individual, just like navalny , there was no danger, especially when he was in prison, but he... was killed,

there it was connected with the exchange, there it is still necessary to demonstrate to everyone, what will happen to you if you join any activity on at any level against the regime in moscow. well, ukraine is an enemy, they are simply killing ukraine, and the russian opposition is the same enemies and the same targets. it is necessary to draw very important conclusions from this, therefore, the defense of ukraine, as i often say among my colleagues, russian oppositionists, this is the redoubt before your death, to defend. ukraine is necessary, in addition to its ideological positions against war and against putin, also because you will be next. this is very important to understand. therefore, ukraine is for the russian opposition, for everyone who is against putin, the possibility of its protection is the possibility of postponing one's death. failure to understand this leads to very sad attempts by some of the russian opposition to play the game imposed by the kremlin, that it is impossible to support the military resistance of the russians on the side of ukraine, because it. treason to the motherland,

this is a very misleading, very criminal reference, and people who perceive it will sooner or later be recruited, this is very important to understand. the parameters of the list, mark and to whom specifically in your opinion, wanted to demonstrate something with this attempt, yes, because in ukraine there are strange murders, the strange murder of irina farion, yes, no one took responsibility, there is a suspect, but the question of motives is key... the story is yes, and when these or other assassinations, political attempts happen, someone has to take this responsibility, or the second option, perhaps, indeed, if this is the work of the kremlin, well, then they can simply prepare some kind of broader scenario, that is, cascading deaths and, accordingly, then try to reformat the same, i don’t know, public discourse, or simply adjust it in this way, always they always did it.

correcting the consequences of the physical removal of some public elements that interfere and create problems for discourse, yes, this is part of this program, this work, itso and the rest. many do not understand the connection between these things. for example, the discourse that opposes the negotiation process as such in ukraine, because they have their own considerations. this is a right-wing discourse mostly, but not only. it consists in the fact that one cannot stop at the binding terms of the agreement. to the ultimatums that moscow puts forward. it is necessary to create now as comfortable a situation as possible, so that it would not be a defining thesis in public opinion for ukraine. that is, if you, for example, put a lot of pressure on the radicals, let's tentatively call them that, from the side of moscow, then this public opinion will be able to be swayed in the right direction. moscow needs negotiations, a ceasefire, a truce, etc., because there are conditions, both external and internal. internally, we do not fully understand, perhaps moscow's reserves. for the continuation of the war

ends, and it is increasingly difficult to fight further, for many reasons and people have decreased, which they want to go to war, industry, defense, it is not known how it works, all this is a secret, but what nabibulina, the head of the central bank, declares already gives grounds to say that there is a lack of money for the war, there are also external factors, they consist in the fact that moscow cannot remain under sanctions and pressure for too long, which is building up. in addition, moscow, obeying these factors, seeks fast. negotiations, who is against negotiations in ukraine? this is important, in ukraine these are the right, these are nationally oriented forces, i.e. the majority, some effect is needed to have influence of these forces, their radical position had less influence on public opinion. i also believe that negotiations now on the terms put forward by moscow are absolutely unacceptable for ukraine, because they will not end the war, at best they will postpone it, at worst they will prolong it. that's all in my opinion, because if we agree to moscow's conditions, we can talk about this in more detail, then it

means not just a concession, but programming and seducing the aggressor to take new actions to occupy the territory and end the sovereignty of ukraine. a signal will be sent to moscow. that it is possible, that it works, and from this point of view it is necessary, of course, that people like farion, although i do not think that she was too influential, she probably had detractors inside ukraine as well, she scolded the army, especially the russian-speaking part, should shut up, she's not the only one like that, right, how big can this potential blacklist be, yes, well, i think, mark, that you're also on it, taking into account the verdict, or what's drawn on you so... so to speak, how many accusations are there seven or eight years for you or 13 for me they gave 11 yes 11 years for lawyer feigin yes i was already convicted in the first instance, it has been a few weeks already, they still do not issue the motivational part of the sentence to my lawyer,

it will be very interesting to read it, there are three episodes, it seems three interviews where i said that there was a genocide in buch, ukrainians were killed by the russian military, and i was convicted for that, so i am on this... list, but i am protected by the french police, and my safety is ensured in this way, no i don't know if a drone can fly to france, but from a security point of view yes i'm on that list but there are many people on it, i'm not the only one, it would be too presumptuous to think that they singled me out as a single target, again, they don't rate efficiency by the degree of significance, how much a person affects to the russian audience or not, although i have a large channel, i am still known in russia for many years, no, this is still a necessary demonstration, even the attack on ponomarev's house is also a demonstration for the rest, get scared, kneel down and never mind, let us do what we do we want, and generally disappear from the political field. yes, this blast contains people in

ukraine, it is more difficult to do it in ukraine, it is possible only remotely, at the level of drones, although contract killings are also possible, there are specifics here, it is a question for the ukrainian special services, how they work with this. probably they have secrets about this, if this is really the case, then it means that there is a revival, that is, the activation of such things indicates some other parallel processes, and you very correctly said that the key story is the kremlin's interest in to get what he wants, yes, in particular in a diplomatic way, but if we talk about the parameters, the first parameter, yes, the kremlin immediately announced the story that he does not want and will not. to communicate with our government, which he considers illegitimate, well whose cow mooed, so to speak, yes, it is clearly not the kremlin, but this is one moment, another moment, the situation in the states, we understand, it will be hot in the states, and the kremlin hoped that , that trump will take power from biden, and after november, accordingly

, the kremlin scenario can work in one gate, that is, with the ultimate imposition on ukraine of what they say, so to speak, they want in the kremlin. they will agree on this matter, maybe with the trump administration, well, i am oversimplifying it, but the situation is getting complicated for the kremlin and, so to speak, the autumn scenario can be postponed in a certain so-called long drawer, and therefore they are counting on what, for the spring, that is, the energy scenario , shaheds, rockets and a complex of measures, even after there will be, as they say, immeasurable suffering of the ukrainian people, so my american friends and then the kremlin would like to impose, so to speak, i don't know if there is istanbul-3 or abu dhabi 5, or some other site there. how do you see it? i believe that in the autumn we will not see direct negotiations or any direct actions that will contribute to this.

by direct action, i mean action by the united states. the first and most important factor: there is no certainty who will rule the country, it will be the same democrats. their line or trump, it is quite obvious that it is possible, even diametrically opposed positions, because the uncertainty creates the uncertainty of the settlement plan, what will the parties agree to, i mean the democrats or trump? kamala harris, if she becomes a candidate and wins the election, will of course continue the biden line, this is a moderate line, pushing ukraine to negotiations, but at the same time with a firm position of supporting ukraine, providing it with military and financial support. assistance, etc., without making it a condition, assistance in exchange for participation in negotiations. trump has it, i mean what he himself has said. i 'll talk about mike pompeo's plan separately now, but still, what he says and what we hear from him, or senator vance and some others, down to his

son. rather, it can be interpreted so that he is ready to negotiate with putin himself. no formats are needed, neither swiss, nor jinda, saudi formats, nor chinese, and why? he says: i will meet with putin and come to an agreement. that is, any shuttle missions of orbán and others are all the quality of actions that serve trump's position, which are intended to draw him into some kind of peace. process, some format, istanbul, for example, to him this is not necessary, he says: i will personally agree with putin, and what they cannot agree on, we have heard the parameters of the plan closest to trump, for which he does not refuse assistance to ukraine, but makes it dependent on ukraine's readiness to participate in peace negotiations, that is, we will help militarily, but ukraine must agree to peace talks, whether it is a parallel or a substitute process, but it is quite certain, i want to say: that it cannot happen before january 20, because trump will be inaugurated

if he wins the election only on january 20 2025 year, and then, closer to spring, he will hold meetings with putin and something will be decided, whether they can agree or not in principle, all the rest of the arguments that the ukrainian government is not recognized, because after may 20 president zelensky is not legitimate, all this is done by moscow through ipso to lower the dumping power in ukraine, but not bi. as for all these formats, both the swiss one on the peace formula, and the previous one in istanbul, and the initiative of saudi arabia, which took place on august 5, 2023, and the next one in them is planned, and the chinese initiative for a peace conference with the mandatory participation of russia, it seems to me that this is just a smoke screen, really, it is still ... a game that is played by both sides, and the usa plays, and kyiv plays , somewhere there he says, well, we are ready for

negotiations, understanding that in this format, in which moscow puts forward preconditions, and putin put forward his three important preconditions before the summit in switzerland, which he believes should be implemented regardless of the beginning of negotiations, the lifting of sanctions, the non-aligned status of ukraine and the release unoccupied territories of four oblasts: donetsk, luhansk, zaporizhzhya and kherson. this is unacceptable. preconditions, moscow can theoretically somehow not put forward these conditions, enter the negotiation process without these preconditions, what moscow demands, it needs a ceasefire, it needs preambles for a ceasefire, because this is different, it is not just a ceasefire, a ceasefire there are always guarantors, the parties can cease fire, but the guarantors must promote a truce, even if temporary, and then negotiate directly about the details of some agreements, agreements, etc. i don't see any at the moment. conditions for solving this problem, kyiv and moscow simply cannot meet somewhere without

mediators, and such a mediator is not ready, there is no one in the usa, and erdogan has already lost his position as a mediator whom kyiv trusts. first of all, the usa and the west do not see erdogan as such an effective mediator, since he would get too close to moscow, we can see that, so erdogan's platform is unlikely to be effective. as for china, it is more tempting, because china has an important co. inter not with moscow, the opportunity to influence it and attract it to negotiations, force it to participate, this is a format that china itself will approve, but it faces the problem of the united states, which is not going to give china such trump cards. they do not want china to act in this conflict on the territory of europe as a peacemaker, a mediator, a guarantor, someone else there, having strengthened its international authority, like, now china decides when to start and stop wars, for that... they will never agree, never . trump is generally anti-chinese, and even

the current biden administration continues to call china not a superpower, but a regional power in southwest asia, following obama, and moreover, does not recognize his claims to some kind of binary world, bipolar, in which there is washington and beijing, so the us will not agree to this . in my opinion, there is a very high probability of the start of negotiations precisely from the meeting, if we win... usa, china, russia, ukraine. such a quadrilateral may arise if kamala harris comes to power and trump loses the election. then yes, this configuration has a better chance, but earlier this cannot happen in the spring. well, in any case, mark, we understand that putin voiced those conditions, which are unacceptable by definition, for a reason. and no matter how you treat putin, he is not a clinical idiot, and he is quite experienced in this, that is, he could

not voice certain parameters, in particular, when we are talking about the annexation of the not-yet-captured ukrainian territories, including aviation, the f16 component , we understand that putin's plan, even for his generals, is unrealistic, but he went for it, and here you can to assume that certain environments are possible, i do not know what mandate abramov had. on istanbul, yes, but he represented someone, well , accordingly, putin wants to cut off some alternative to his position, ideas in this way. accordingly, pompeo's plan, we understand it well, but also there is no stamp on this plan with the name of president donald trump, because it is not a fact that he will become president, but always in any case trump can say, well, it's pompeo's fantasy, he's cool man i respect him we drank 4 liters of whiskey but it's not my idea so accordingly, here we can also expect

unpleasant surprises, yes, because trump, the guy is also experienced, but his to... well, it is not a fact that he will be good for us. well, as far as pompeo is concerned, we promised to talk about it. yes, this is quite an effective plan, there is one caveat, which can be very painful for ukrainian public opinion, that ukraine may lose part of the territory. i mean the plan i printed from the wall street journal. as for the rest, this is a perfect plan from the point of view of ukraine's sovereignty, this is nato membership, and the rest of the things that are repeated, as in boris johnson, in his plan, which is in the daily mail. we also saw the day before, to give up some part of the territory, but what exactly, four regions plus crimea, or only a part of these four regions, this is a question of the negotiating position, which, pompeo hints, will be trump's position in the negotiations, namely on these parts. the trouble is that precisely the first part of the plan - the absolute sovereignty of ukraine is unacceptable for moscow, these plans of both johnson and pompeo

are unacceptable for moscow, they may be acceptable for trump, but moscow... will never agree to a change in the non-aligned status, so presumably, in these three preliminary conditions, which putin named before the summit in switzerland, provoking the summit in switzerland to some sharp reactions, there are conditions for the withdrawal of units of the armed forces from the unoccupied parts of the territories of the four regions, but it is possible that he can give way, here they can push the administrative border, maybe. the condition of lifting the sanctions is important for moscow, because the sanctions are painful, painful, but still, these are the sanctions that were introduced. country, ukrainian sanctions are not the most principled for moscow, but american, european, australian, canadian, japanese, the rest of the countries, it is necessary for them to make this request, why kyiv, if it declares an agreement on the previous conditions, should be accepted that these sanctions are canceled, these are the sanctions of third countries, but regarding non-aligned status, i.e. preventing ukraine from joining nato, here

moscow will never back down, but on the ground, on the ground, as they gather... so to speak, go for the return of the territory, so we also understand that this is a symbolic story, well that's why that putin is with him, it was not for nothing that they voiced and, so to speak, made changes to the russian constitution, as well as with non-aligned status or nato membership, well, we understand the position of moscow, so here is the whole fable about the indivisibility of security and so on on the continent, but the story about the territories that must be returned, how they could sell them, or... they could not, and they will just stand there. indeed, the constitution of the russian federation, which included these new subjects in its composition, provides, including laws, that it will appear that it is impossible to change the territorial integrity of russia, there is a criminal article, even for calling. i defended ulmi umerov in crimea under this article. in general, in

no way can we talk about the rejection of the territory of the russian federation, if they included them in their constitution. captured and included, yes, yes, they already occupied and included, on the other hand, the russian constitution is a chewed-up piece of paper in the toilet, no one will pay attention to the constitution, it's just that apart from the constitution , putin's plans are even more ambitious, he wants all of ukraine, not only four regions, and here he is leaves a maneuver for himself, i assume that he can move somewhere, say that we keep the occupied territories for ourselves, this is a negotiating position, but for the unoccupied part. are we ready to bargain, what will be offered to us? and what does he offer? i wonder what he offers in exchange for all this, but in fact he only offers that they will not attack kyiv. and try to attack kyiv, especially after receiving these planes by ukraine, according to bloomberg, yesterday, 20, maybe the first batch of planes, no one knows how many, not to mention the rest. you first

capture that kyiv. of course, if the troops were stationed near kyiv, there would be other negotiations, but that is not the case. how are you? determine this military balance, which gives preference to one side or another, is it such that when the war continues, ukraine will definitely lose it, or on the contrary, ukraine will resist? moscow will definitely lack the strength to hold the occupied territories, or will it be able to accumulate resources to reach the regional centers, kharkiv, odesa and others. no one knows the answers, there is a military balance, and in terms of military balance there must be conditions mutually acceptable, not imposed by one side trying to do. moscow also uses other methods to push its position, because they cannot achieve this by military means , if they could achieve this, they would have already achieved it and would be standing in kyiv, but this... cannot be achieved, so a big game is going on here: who will increase the number of allies of their position, who will exhaust their opportunities faster, etc., in particular the information game, all these

ipso that are tested, they are also for to undermine unity, monolithicity, self-confidence, and not only of ukraine, but also of the west, voices are heard: now is a favorable position, noma to arrange negotiations, the finnish president declares this, others also, because, of course, the war is depleting resources. europe, in particular, all the more so because everyone is in a tiring wait for the results of the elections in america, europe is afraid of the arrival of trump, the main powers, france, germany and others are afraid of this, because they have a negative experience of interacting with trump during his presidency since 2016 20 years each. in this situation, there is no other recipe, no other way, except to do what you are doing, to continue fighting, not to accept unacceptable conditions, to hold on until the moment when you are... if ukraine now retreats and agrees to some of putin's conditions, then it is very difficult will play back, he will grab it and say: you yourself agreed, are you

ready to sacrifice something? accordingly, this is a trap, and the kremlin wants to drive ukraine into this trap. the territorial issue is not as important for the kremlin as the issue of sovereignty of ukraine, which provides for the possibility of non-aligned status in nato and other european-type unions. and others, the main question is what ukraine will be like, how the 80% of the territory controlled by official kyiv will come out of this war, or will they come out with a neutral status that can be undermined by another new war, because no one covers you outside of nato , the network of agreements on guarantees that kyiv is currently signing for the post-war period may not work, but membership in nato does work, we have already seen this, the baltic countries, an example of this status working and... this is the most fundamental question and it is not resolved. thank you very much, mark, for this extremely important conversation on espresso tv. take care,

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assistance. which we received, continue to receive, and i am sure we will continue to receive from our brotherly country, and about many more, madam ambassador, i welcome you, thank you very much for joining me today, for coming here, thank you, thank you, sincerely, sincerely thank you for inviting me, thank you, see, the first question it will be like this, estonia is a relatively small country, if compared with other european countries, of course there are smaller ones, but estonia is small. but with all this, we received a lot of help from your country, both financial and military, what is this, i don't know, paradox, maybe why this is so, or is it because of knowledge history, or maybe something else is hiding in it? yes, of course, one of the main reasons is that we have a common history,

we were occupied. in the soviet union, we lived together under the conditions of occupation, we know what assimilation, de-russification is, and the soviet candle tried to erase, eradicate our language, our culture, and we know what our common neighbor is capable of. of course, this was one of the reasons, but i think the main one. the reason why estonia helps, has helped and will help ukraine is that estonians love ukrainians very much, we admire how you behave against this russian evil, how you bravely and decisively fight brutality, genocide, war crimes, and... i think this is

the biggest reason why estonia wants to help ukraine. and this brutal war has been going on for more than two years, and the estonians' admiration for ukraine is growing even more, growing because you continue to defend your country, fight for your people, for your cultural identity. and all this is very expensive and very close to the people of easton, well, on the one hand it's bad that this shared history that you mentioned unites us, but on the other hand it's good that it unites us, because we feel how close we are to each other, even though we we are separated by some, some kilometers separate us, and nevertheless, speaking of aid, are there any statistics on how much aid, for example, military or financial, we have already received from

the republic of estonia so far. since the beginning of the full-scale invasion, estonia has provided more than 26 million euros in humanitarian aid, and this is how government public aid, aid from the private sector and ordinary citizens, with regard to military aid, it is more than 500. if we compare it with gdp, then estonia provided aid for more than 1.3% of its gdp, which means that we are one of the most active countries that supports ukraine. in addition, the estonian government decided late last year that you...