and pivovarov, a figure from the orbit of khodorkovsky, in fact, and volodymyr karamorza, in principle, in one voice, all of them began to speak in one voice about the fact that sanctions in the form in which they currently exist would they attack ordinary russians, and in no way cause any specific damage to the regime there, this, this is additional evidence of their lack of understanding that it is the russians in the majority of their... you know, these bombings of german cities with the aim of destroying the german military industry , they kill ordinary people germans, who are actually very negative.

attitude towards hitler, it is obvious that it is necessary to fight, but with whom, with hitler, with goering, with goebbels, with kaltonbrunner, and what does ordinary germans have to do with this, the germans are not supporters of this man-hating regime, and vice versa, when you do them bad , you only turn them against you, dear allies, well, that's it, it's strange, the truth, although now we can say as much as we want that it hurts us too that i will die during the second world war. there are the historic centers of german cities, civilians died, this is all a huge tragedy, but who started it, you can find out who voted for hitler, who was very enthusiastic about the start of world war ii with this idea of ​​expanding living space, who was still many years after world war ii during the war considered hitler to be the best chancellor of germany of all times and peoples, not the british and the french and not the americans or... ugh, this is a

pretty good question, and here, you see, they all made up their own minds, and navalny too, that they are political actors that they can someday to win some election, which is not and may not be, and that in this way they must not say anything that will turn against them the vast majority of what they consider to be their potential electorate, and therefore they must be after the ... dreamers of ordinary russians, putin is bad, you are good, and there is nothing new in this, this mantra has been around since the 18th and 19th centuries, one must go to the people, work with the people, but we have such a criminal aristocracy, our people are good, but why we were reported to the police, we were imprisoned, probably dark people, we need them to educate, to work with him, well, this is people's voluntarism, huh. what is new in

russian history? well, now it seems as if putin himself walks around the houses of ukrainians somewhere in buch or borodyanets, presses all the buttons himself, controls all the planes himself, as if it is not the russians who go to the army for these contracts, it is all putin, but the russians basically, they are beautiful, wonderful, nothing happens to them, here is the number one question, why is this? ugh, why do they even have such an amazing idea that they have and why do they live with this idea, because they all the time think that they are political figures, but they are not political figures, well, of course, you can imagine that in more or less cannibalistic times, yashin could have been elected as a deputy in some area there, but it didn’t matter that they elected you as a deputy in the area, are you engaged in any kind of sewage? and

some other district matters, signs, street names, well, it does not affect the system, you only legitimize it, because the system always says: you see, we have such a democracy, we even have yashin, a critic of putin, district deputy, ugh, and by the way, what does yashin do in his first interview, he says, negotiations are needed, people are dying on both sides, a tragedy. it is clear, of course, it may be unpleasant for the ukrainians, but we will say it clearly, the ukrainians say that putin will have time to prepare, but they will also have time to prepare for a new war, well , this is not a russian, but a chinese method. let's say so, that's how it turns out, it's strange, but there is another point here, christina, i don't think that in connection with this these people should be in prison they were put in prison because

they largely defended our truth as well, they opposed the war, you know, the difference in political views, views. this is not yet a reason for what we thought, let them sit there for 25 years, because you can go too far, it is about the same as what the russians were counting on when they killed irina fario. there are many people who do not support her, so they should be happy that she was killed, and her supporters will be in mourning and there will be division. and we said: listen, well, the problem is not her views, and our views, killed a ukrainian citizen, a ukrainian politician, a person who... believed in ukrainian statehood, and if we had different views, we discussed with her what this statehood should look like, that it's not a question of political obist, so here, we can have different views with karamurza, yashin, there pivovarov, but they were against the dictatorship, against the war, well, i say yashin again, we can

disagree 3 thousand times, but he was put behind bars criticism of the war, simply put in prison for the fact that he was against the war, we say a lot, but why are the russians not against the war. yashin spoke out, he was imprisoned for a long time. well, and therefore, of course, the release of these people, if there is such a possibility, is an absolutely normal humanitarian duty of the west. if there is an opportunity, i say it again. but returning to the question of what putin got as a result of this exchange, on the one hand his killer krasikov and his ilk, and on the other hand, well, in fact, he got outside lobbyists for the lifting of sanctions. from the russian federation, or amendments to these sanctions for i think it doesn't matter at all, i will tell you honestly that there are many people, representatives of the russian opposition, who say that sanctions should be lifted against russia and ordinary russians, they have been saying this since 20202 of the year, someone will

say it more, someone less, you understand, this one will disappear, as it always happens in the information space, well, the first press conference, well, the thesis, well, we talked, then people disappear from the information field, already from appear among other russian oppositionists, i do not have at all, i do not think that it has at least some serious political significance, because if it is decided that sanctions should be lifted from russia, they will definitely not be lifted because the russian opposition is talking about it, but now there is no reason to believe that this will happen, so you see, the problem with sanctions is not this, the problem with sanctions is that we have made a clear discovery over these 2.5 years that there are two economies in the world: the economy of the west, the economy of the global south, and by and large the sanctions, even the strongest sanctions of the west , cannot force someone to take any decisive action, if this head of state can survive

at the expense of the economy of the countries of the global south. this is a huge danger for the future for everyone, because we have been saying since 2014 that if the west imposed... sanctions against russia, sanctions from hell, the biggest sanctions, then putin would stop the war, but they are not imposing, and the west said : oh, if such sanctions are introduced, putin can start a big war, it is better, then, to continue to work economically so that he needs he had some interest, do you remember, yes, one northern stream, two northern streams, we will interest him in business, and here is 2000... the 22nd year, all this did not work, no one was interested, a great war began, sanctions from hell appeared, limits even on prices for russian oil, europe got rid of russian gas in a few years and what, and nothing, well , russia has problems, but not those that force

putin to stop the war, why, because china buys oil, india buys oil, other countries of the global south cooperate with russia, turkey. saudi arabia, south africa, brazil, big economies, all of them. of course, the volume of western economies cannot be compared, but can the chinese one? yes, chinese is possible. ot. so it turns out that it just doesn't work anymore. and the west did not understand this, and we did not understand this, that here is this important argument that was always supposed to work, it did not work. there are countries that are under huge western sanctions. three, russia, iran, north korea. against this background of those huge sanctions, north korea developed its nuclear program, has nuclear weapons. china helps her to survive. iran, close to

creating an atomic bomb. north korea and iran are helping russia with weapons. two countries that are under western sanctions, north korea, even under sanctions that. the un, other countries can help with weapons, sanctions not only limit, but also free hands, in a sense, it works. well, the problem is not even that, but the problem is that iran is under such serious sanctions, and president trump even withdrew from this nuclear agreement at one time, so that iran was under sanctions so that its economy did not develop, and here is this iran, which remained under sanctions, firstly, close to an atomic bomb, and secondly, it organized a large-scale attack against israel, well, let it not end successfully, because it succeeded fight back, but it was a massive... attack, and no one in iran is dying of starvation in the streets, right? yes, nobody dies of

hunger in russia either. and i will tell you that this is by and large a vicious circle, and it is much more important than what karamurza from yashino says there. that the event is fruitful cooperate with china, fruitfully cooperates with india, invests huge sums of money in their economy, buys their products, buys their products from you... encourages them to buy new volumes of oil, gives them dollars, currency, they then buy into russian oil and gas , because they need all this in order to further sell their products to the west, they still pay from russia in yuan and rupees, that is, they do not lose anything at all, but one way or another, russia can use this money to ensure a certain standard and social security of the military-industrial complex , and this... can continue ad infinitum, china still supplies russia with parts, so

to speak, parts, let’s say, for military products, maybe it doesn’t supply the weapons itself, let’s believe here what sydzimpin tells president zelensky, but when you supply two parts to assemble a weapon, it's still the same as you supplying the weapon, and that's what confuses me a lot more. you understand, because in the fact that the measure will not lift any sanctions against russia, i think you understand, i understand, i will tell you more, karamurza, karamurza and yashin also understand, they are experienced people, they understand everything perfectly, they say this not for the west, but again for this conditional russian electorate, which, in their opinion, may one day appear, although i doubt it, but but... at the same time, this is what bothers me more,

because i don't see any reason to believe that there won't be a time for the russian economy as a result of this vicious circle where they really think: listen, we 're approaching total collapse, u.s we must end the war because otherwise we will not survive. we understand very well, even if the war is suspended. no sanctions against russia will be lifted, this is a complex mechanism. the famous jackson wenik amendment, which banned access to high-tech products in the soviet union, was introduced under president nixon, and it was repealed already after against for each specific former soviet republic already in our 21st century, when everyone has already forgotten in connection with what she was in favor. conducted and this topic, which was connected with it, it was free immigration of jews from the soviet union

simply did not exist anymore, the soviet union did not exist, did not exist, the ban on the departure of jews, nothing existed, except for the amendment, the same will happen with these sanctions, the war will end, there will be some agreements, trump will become president, that if trump becomes president, it doesn't matter who becomes president, it won't be in this term, i tell you again. may already be the president of kara murza, and not trump. and the amendment will apply. in the days of the russian federation, in the days of yeltsin, this amendment was simply suspended for a year each year, it was not canceled. therefore, trump is here. at this moment, trump can lie somewhere in the grave for a long time, not because he will be killed, but because he will already be 100 years old. well, let him live to 120, so to speak. but he is also not eternal. so it doesn't matter. that is, some sanctions can be canceled, but again, it has to go through the congress,

agree, you understand what the cancellation of sanctions is, you have the sanctions of the european union, they were adopted unanimously, so they can be canceled unanimously, if one country, a conditional poland or a conditional estonia says, sorry, we don't think they deserve it yet, there will be no lifting of sanctions unless the united states congress votes to lift the sanctions. there will be no lifting of sanctions, and this is a whole, whole story for ten years, everyone in russia understands this very well, whether there will be no lifting of sanctions anymore, or it is not a good thing at all. and related, they can demand something there, conditionally speaking, remove the limits on the sale of our oil so that we can sell it more expensively, this maybe, the limits can be canceled, or give the possibility of safe transportation of some products that are not subject to sanctions, let's say agricultural products, something else, it can be all, but it doesn't solve anything

finally, that's what's really important, it's the truth, it ... the unfreezing of russian assets, that's what they might be interested in, because it's rough money, relatively speaking, and it's not sanctions, it's just assets that are not given to them, but they are there, and they're there, they don't get from their outbuildings, but they lie there, they can talk about it, but that not only a small part of the sanctions policy, but the real sanctions policy - these are financial transactions, this is the world for banks, this is a ban on the sale of a whole range of goods there, which, this is cooperation with various firms, you understand that if such a number of firms in a concern , to the banks, if it has already left, then it will take 20 years to return to it, well , again, khrystyna, well, remember how many of these

western firms came to ukraine without any sanctions, but here in 1991, this communist system, the market began economy, and what, we have western concerns, not really, we have, i apologize, we still have, now what year, 2020 is the fourth, we still don't have starbucks, so far, this is just an ordinary example, uh, we have there is still no ikea on the scale in which this concern exists in europe, i'm just telling you, simply... brands are understood by ordinary consumers. i will allow myself a small comment, many economists say that starbucks and ikea have their own considerations regarding the ukrainian market and solvency ukrainians on the topic of their products, and

the presence of competitors of the corresponding level, as well, but this is a trailer. in many small central european countries, where the market is smaller, and where there is less opportunity, they always opened these, er, brands, and this is just one example, of course, right, there are considerations, but now imagine a company that needs to go back to russia after years of war, sanctions and so on, and this company is also starting to count, and why return there, and what is the matter with the market, and are they able to buy, and is it not a risk, but here we are we will return, and after three years we will be told again: we have to leave, we are introducing sanctions, you cannot continue to work there, it might be better to wait 15 years and not return anywhere, why should we return there, we would rather go to mexico than go to the country which has just arranged a war, there is a guarantee that it will not arrange it in a year, who will give us a guarantee, this is business, so i

tell you once again, no one will go back there, this train has already left. you see, there certain brands are returned to ukraine, because they can afford to come back and come and go, because it is not related to their reputation, on the contrary, it shows what they are, i would say humanistic, that they are even ready to work in the market for a country in which there is a war, and with russia everything will be completely different, so no, that's all, you know, as they say, dead is dead, and... in this regard, i'm not interested in this at all, i'm saying, i'm interested in something else, how the russian economy can survive for a long time when it becomes part of china's economy when chinese brands are chinese investments, chinese participation in the military-industrial complex and in the consumer market, well, the russians themselves did not expect this, they thought when

the sanctions would begin, they were preparing for it, they were preparing, i would say, because for many decades, when president putin just became the president, after a few... years he started telling the oligarchs that they need to withdraw money to russia or some friendly countries, that he does not guarantee money to anyone in the west, why they kept part of their assets there is another question, but i have heard such conversations since 2000, and that's it and now in this very situation, we see that in russia they were preparing, preparing, decided that... when there will be western sanctions, they will refocus on the countries of the global south, diversify the risks, and they have refocused only on one china, exactly one china, and this is a really serious problem. mr. vitaly, regarding the events in the middle east, i also cannot help but ask, this week was crowned with the elimination of the leaders

of hamas and hezbollah, as for hezbollah, it happened after 12 children died just on a sports ground in israel, we we definitely understand the scale of the catastrophe, of a humanitarian nature in the gas sector, but we return to the topic of... what started with the terrorist approaches of iran's proxy armies in the first place. in the liquidation of hamas, the withdrawal took place in tehran at the moment when the newly elected president was taking the oath of office in this country, one of the high-ranking diplomats from the european commission was even dispatched to this event, which is very interesting. and the first question for you: probably, you should not hope that the efficiency will change in any way. activities of these terrorist groups through that one of the leaders died there, right? no, it's wrong. i was a very serious figure. and if it is true that

mohamed deif, the leader of the hamas militant group, has also died, this is quite a serious blow to the structure. ugh. and this, by the way, can seriously change the situation in the termination negotiations. because there is information. that ismail khaniyaka was trying all the time to disrupt these negotiations, first of all, because he was always very closely connected with the iranians and the russians, he was the first to go to moscow from the hamasites even when he was the prime minister of the palestinian authority, they invited him there, plus his contacts with iran, secondly, he just has such a political position, he was considered soft there from the point of view of relations with israel in general, but he did not understand. what was this softness, we saw how he behaved on october 7 in the 23rd year, when he was simply happy that those children and women were killed, but at the same time, in the approaches to

the cessation of hostilities, he turned out to be a very tough negotiator who refused the final result all the time, and those khamatovites who are in the gas, yahin ward, let's say they were already prepared for certain conditions, and he kept screwing them up, so i'm assuming that just his death could...change the situation if, if it doesn't lead to a greater escalation in terms of the exchange of strikes between iran and israel there, that's another story. so no, it's zmi, and it's basically, as you understand, if you destroy the entire hamas politburo in the effectiveness of this organization, it will hurt a lot. now, if there is no longer hania, there is no deif, khaled mashal remains yahisenvar among such rather serious people, mahabeda bu marzouk, but he doesn't play such a prominent role, it's... a problem for them, haniya is a big problem in general, he is a person with a huge number of political connections, and the level of connections that

he had and trust in him, none of the hamas never had, international, i mean, and this is a man who was said to have $4 billion there of wealth that he could also use for hamas, so it's not a joke, but there's another story here, the iranians of course are another story. can't help but answer, they're just scared, no one is understands how it happened, because at first they were talking about a rocket attack, now they are talking about some shellard, well, christina, what kind of projectile is it, how did it kill two people only in a big house, where many people are already there, you know that next to mrs. hania's room, there were apartments where the leader of another terrorist organization, islamic jihad, lived, and nothing happened to him. in general, so that something happened there in this very room of the khaniya, and if

it is true that the mossad used employees of the security system, of this security service, higher leaders of iran, which obeys the command of the islamic revolutionary guard corps, you can imagine what ameniy and other iranian leaders feel. that is, if their guards can participate in planting bombs in their own residences, then who will protect them? therefore, they are scared in the literal sense of the word. this simply shows that they have no security, that they have a wooden state, by the way, do you remember that the russians wanted to bribe zelenskyi's security guards, do you remember? yes, well , we learned about it, but the iranians did not, so where are we we say that we don't have... not always an efficient state, but here it has already turned out that we have a more efficient state than iran, imagine that someone comes to us, who is an expensive guest of some protocol ceremony, and he is killed in his own room ,

imagine. the level of shame in general, well in iran this happened, but again, if they talk about what they have to respond to, it's important how they respond, their idea that they should respond to israel in such a way that israel never does this again in tehrani, it's the same not even a story request, but about tehran, israel couldn't do it 10 thousand times in qatar, where haniya lives, but they don't want to spoil relations with qatar. that is, to put an executioner in such a situation, but with iran, you can , well, but how can they answer, what can they do, after one of their attacks, this latest one, ended in nothing, that's also the number one question, uh, and we will definitely look, because what the iranian strike will be, how effective it will be depends, and the israeli

the answer and... the development of events, what is the problem here, the previous iranian attack turned out to be completely useless, because iranian drones and drones destroyed the airspace of countries neighboring israel, but now will all arab states be ready to participate in this operation , when their palestinian street will tell them that iran wants to take revenge for hania, such a hero, and you are not giving it to them, traitors to our cause, that is , now america will have to create a coalition against iran, when it comes not only to iran, but also to the palestinians, who have always considered hania their leader there, well, i will repeat it again.

this is the man who won the last, first, last parliamentary elections in the palestinian authority, became the prime minister. the latest sociological polls showed that if there were elections for the president of the palestinian authority, more than 70% of people voted for hanya. by the way, this says a lot about the attitudes of the civilian population, right? so there is a question of how it will develop, in principle we are on the verge of a possible major war in the region, it is true. that is, mr. vitaly, if we talk about... this previous massive strike by missiles and drones by iran on israel, then, by the way, many analysts said that a similar strike was such that it could be repelled, because at that time, there was no relevant conjunctural situation where iran would be directly interested in inflicting a crushing defeat on israel. now this situation, with the basis for the future answer,

has completely... changed, i am correct got it, snake, i don't think there will be a special blow then, so that israel can repel it. iran, it seems, simply did not count on the fact that its missiles and drones would not reach israel and would be destroyed in the airspace of other countries. this, by the way, is what we tell our allies all the time, that if they shot down russian missiles and drones in their own airspace or from their airspace, it would be much easier for us from the point of view of our security. that is, this happened to israel. now the question is not in to what the iranian attack will be, because i don't think that they were somehow specifically planned as slavkut. think of the number of rockets and drones that have been directed at israel. this is an unprecedented number. in general, it seems to me that this is the largest attack by drones in the history of mankind. now it can

be. that iran does not have such a large number of arsenals for such a strike, it is true, but it can count on the fact that some country or several countries through the territory of which all this will fly will not shoot it down, that is the danger, and then the israeli system air defense will be more difficult than it was during the first attack, and if it is more difficult, if not everything is shot down, if something for... for some purposes, israel will certainly carry out a massive bombing of iran, see that israel has been looking for an excuse for a long time, to, say, destroy the iranian nuclear facilities completely, and then a big war will begin, as far as this big war in this region is concerned, and not only putin is interested here, because you and i discuss from program to program exactly what is in his ...