to oppose putin as his enemies, to spread information about what moscow is doing in ukraine and not only, it needs to be demonstrated, this is the main goal, not a specific danger from an individual, as well as some kind of danger from navalny, especially when he was in prison, there wasn't, but he had to be killed, there it had to do with the exchange, there you still have to show everyone what will happen to you if you get involved in any activity on... any levels against the regime in moscow. well, ukraine is an enemy. they are killing ukraine simply. and the russian opposition is the same enemies and the same targets. it is necessary to draw very important conclusions from this. therefore, the defense of ukraine, as i often say among my colleagues, russian oppositionists, is the redoubt before your death. it is necessary to defend ukraine, in addition to your ideological positions against the war against putin, also because you will be next. this is very important to understand. therefore, for ukraine, for the russian

opposition, for all those who are against putin, the possibility of its protection is an opportunity to postpone one's death. incomprehension this leads to very sad attempts by some of the russian opposition to play the game imposed by the kremlin, that it is impossible to support the military resistance of the russians on the side of ukraine, because it is vlasivshchyna, treason to the motherland. it's a very misleading, very criminal reference, and people who buy into it will be recruited sooner or later. it is very... it is important to understand the parameters of the list, mark, and who exactly do you think they wanted to demonstrate something with such and such an attempt, because strange murders happen in ukraine, the strange murder of iryna farion, so nobody he did not take responsibility himself, there is a suspect, but the question of motives is the key story, so when these or other assassinations, political attempts happen, should someone take this responsibility? the second option, maybe,

really, if this is the work of the kremlin, then they can just prepare some kind of broader scenario, that is, cascading deaths, and accordingly, then try to reformat the same, i don't know, public discourse, or just adjust it in this way , they always did it, adjusting the consequences of physical elimination of some kind public elements that interfere and create problems for the discourse and... this is part of this program, this work, and pso and the rest. many do not understand the connection between these things, for example, the discourse that opposes the negotiation process as such in ukraine, because they have their own considerations. this is a right-wing discussion mainly, but not only, it consists in the fact that one cannot stop at the binding conditions of the agreements, at the ultimatums that moscow puts forward. it is now necessary to create the most comfortable situation so that this does not happen in ukraine defining thesis in public. that is,

if you, for example, put a lot of pressure on the radicals, let's tentatively call them that, from the side of moscow, then this public opinion will be able to be exposed in the right direction. moscow needs negotiations, a ceasefire, a truce, etc., because there are both external and internal conditions. internally, we do not fully understand, perhaps moscow's reserves for the continuation of the war are running out, and it is increasingly difficult to fight further, for many reasons and the number of people who want to go to war, industry, defense has decreased. know how it works all this is a secret, but what nabi bulin, the head of the central bank, says already gives grounds for saying that there is a lack of money for the war, there are also external factors, they consist in the fact that moscow cannot remain under sanctions and pressure for too long, which is increasing in addition, moscow, obeying these factors, seeks quick negotiations, who is against negotiations in ukraine, this is important. in ukraine, these are the right, these are nationally oriented forces, that is , the majority, some kind of effect is needed so that...

the influence of these forces, their radical position, has less influence on public opinion. i also think that negotiations now on the terms put forward by moscow are absolutely unacceptable for ukraine, because they will not end the war, at best they will postpone it, at worst they will prolong it. that's all in my opinion, because if we agree to moscow's terms, we can talk about this in more detail, then it means not just a concession, but programming and seducing the aggressor to take new actions to occupy the territories and stop it. ukraine will send a signal to moscow that it is possible, that it works, and from this point of view, of course, it is necessary so that people like farion, although i don't think she was too influential, probably had detractors inside ukraine as well, she cursed with the army, especially with the russian-speaking part, should shut up, she's not the only one like that, right? and how big can this potential blacklist be? yeah, well, i think, mark, you're in it too...

i was given 11, uh, 11 years for attorney fagin, yeah, yeah. "i have already been convicted in the first instance, several weeks have passed, they still do not issue the motivational part of my sentence to the lawyer, it will be very interesting to read it, there are three episodes, i think, and three interviews where i said that there was a genocide in buch, ukrainians were killed by the russian military, and i was convicted for that, so i am on this list, but i am protected the french police, and my safety is ensured in this way, they do not know whether a drone can fly to france, this is unknown to me. but from a security point of view, yes i am on that list but there are many people on it, i am not the only one, it would be too presumptuous to assume that they chose me as the only target, again still, i repeat, they do not evaluate efficiency by the degree of significance, how much a person influences the russian audience or not, although i have

a large channel, i have been known in russia for many years, no, it still requires a demonstration, even a blow on ponomarov's house is also a demonstration for the rest, get scared. sit down and do not interfere, let us do what we want, and disappear from the political field altogether. yes, this blist contains people in ukraine. in ukraine, this is more difficult to do, it is possible only remotely, at the level of drones. although contract killings are possible also, there are specifics here, this is a question for the ukrainian special services, how they work with this, they probably have secrets about this. if this is really the case, then it means that there is a revitalization, that is , the activation of similar things. indicates some other parallel processes, and you very correctly said that the key story is the kremlin's interest in getting what it wants, yes, in particular, in a diplomatic way, but if we talk about the parameters, the first parameters, yes, the kremlin immediately announced the story that it does not want to and does not

will communicate with our government, which he considers illegitimate, whose cow mooed, so to speak, and it is clearly not the kremlin's, but this is one moment, another moment... the situation in the states, we understand, it will be hot in the states, and the kremlin hoped to the fact that trump will take power from biden even after november, accordingly , the kremlin scenario can work in one direction, that is, with the ultimate imposition on ukraine of what they say, so to speak, they want in the kremlin and agree on this matter, possibly with the trump administration , well, i really do i am grossly oversimplifying, but the situation is getting more complicated for the kremlin, so to speak, in autumn. the scenario can be put in a certain so-called long drawer, and that is why they count on what, for the spring, that is, the energy scenario, shahedy, missiles and a set of measures, yes, and after there will be, as they say, the immensity of the suffering

of the ukrainian people, yes my american friends formulate, then the kremlin would like to impose, so to speak, i don't know if there is istanbul-3 or abu dhabi 5, or some others. another site, how do you see it? i believe, that in the autumn we will not see direct negotiations or any direct actions that will contribute to this. by direct action, i mean action by the united states. the first and most important factor - there is no certainty as to who exactly will rule the country, will it be the same democrats, their line or trump? it is quite obvious that this is possible, even diametrically opposed positions, because uncertainty creates an unknown plan. settlement, what will the parties agree to, i mean democrats or trump? kamala harris, if she becomes a candidate and wins the election, will understandably continue the biden line. this is a moderate line, pushing for negotiations with ukraine, but at the same time with a firm position of supporting ukraine, providing it

with military and financial assistance, etc., without making it a condition, assistance in exchange for participation in negotiations, in the trumps it is, i mean that he pronounced himself, i now separately. i will say about mike pompeo's plan, but still , what he says and what we hear from him or senator vance and some others, up to his son, can rather be interpreted that he is ready to negotiate with putin himself, no formats are needed, neither tsarist, not in jeddah, saudi formats, nor the chinese, and why, he says, i will meet with putin and come to an agreement, that is, any shuttle missions of orban and others are all quality of action serving trump's position. who are trying to involve him in some kind of peace process, some format, istanbul style, for example, he doesn't need it, he says: i will personally agree with putin, and why can't they agree? we heard the parameters closest to trump a plan under which he does not refuse ukraine's assistance, but makes it dependent

on ukraine's readiness to participate in peace negotiations, that is, we will help militarily, but ukraine must agree to peace negotiations, whether it is parallel or substitute... i want to say , that this cannot happen before january 20, because trump will be inaugurated if he wins the election only on january 20, 2025, and then, closer to spring, he will hold meetings with putin and something will be decided, whether they can agree or not. in principle, all the remaining arguments that the ukrainian government is not recognized because after may 20 president zelenskyi is not legitimate, this is all moscow does through ipso in order to lower and dump the government in ukraine, but no more, realizing that in fact this is no argument , after all, they will speak with the authorities in kyiv, of course they will hold negotiations, if they do start, which... applies to all these formats, and the swiss one on the peace formula, and the previous one in istanbul,

and the initiative of saudi arabia, which on the fifth august 23rd took place, and the next one is planned, and the chinese initiative on a peace conference with the mandatory participation of russia, it seems to me that this is just a smoke screen, in fact, it is still a game played by both sides , and the usa is playing, and kyiv is playing, somewhere there it says, well, we are ready for negotiations, understanding that in such a format that moscow puts forward. preconditions, and putin put forward his three important preconditions for the summit in switzerland, which he believes must be implemented regardless of the start of negotiations, the lifting of sanctions, the non-aligned status of ukraine and the liberation of the unoccupied territories of four oblasts, donetsk, luhansk, zaporizhzhya and kherson. these are unacceptable preconditions. theoretically, moscow can somehow not put forward these conditions, enter the negotiation process without these preliminary conditions. what does moscow demand? a cease-fire is needed, it needs preambles for a truce, because it is different, it is not

just a cease-fire, a truce always has guarantors, the parties can cease fire, but the guarantors must contribute to the truce, at least temporary, then negotiate directly about the details of some arrangements, agreements, etc. currently, i do not see any conditions for solving this problem, kyiv and moscow simply cannot meet somewhere without mediators, and such a mediator is not ready, there is no one in the usa. and erdogan has already lost his position as a mediator whom kyiv trusts. first of all, the usa and the west do not see erdogan as such an effective mediator. because he would get too close to moscow, we see it. therefore, erdogan's platform is unlikely to be effective. of china, it is more tempting, because china has an important trump card, not with moscow, the ability to influence it and attract it to negotiations, force it to participate. this is a format that china itself will approve, but it... faces the problem of the us not going to give china such trump cards. they do not want china

to act in this conflict on the territory of europe as a peacemaker, mediator, guarantor, someone else there, strengthening its international authority, like, now china decides when to start and stop wars, the usa will never agree to this, never. trump in general is anti-chinese, and even the current biden administration continues to name obama. china is not a superpower, but a regional power in southwest asia, and moreover, does not recognize its claims, not some kind of binary world, bipolar, in which there is washington and beijing, so the usa will not agree to this, in my opinion, very there is a high probability that negotiations will start right from the meeting, if trump wins, trump with putin, if trump does not win, then it is very likely that some quadrilateral will be formed: the usa, china, russia, ukraine. such a quadrilateral may arise if kamala harris comes to power and trump loses

the election. then yes, this configuration has better chances, but it cannot happen before spring . well, in any case, mark, we understand that it was not for nothing that putin voiced those conditions that are unacceptable by definition, and no matter how you treat putin, well, he is not a clinical idiot, and he is quite experienced at it , that is, he could not voice certain parameters, in particular, when we... talk about the annexation of not yet captured ukrainian territories, and considering aviation, the f-16 component, we understand that putin's plan is unrealistic, even for his generals, but he went for it, and here we can assume that certain environments are possible, i don't know what mandate he had abramovich to istanbul, yes, but he represented someone, well, and accordingly , putin wants to cut off certain alternative... to his position, ideas, accordingly, pompeo's plan, we understand, this is

good, but there is also no seal on this plan in the name of president donald trump, therefore that it's not a fact that he will become president, but always in any case, trump can say, well, it's pompeo's fantasy, he's a cool dude, i respect him, we drank 4 liters of whiskey, but it's not my idea, so and so , here we can also have unpleasant surprises, yes, because... trump, the guy is also experienced, but his experience, well, it's not a fact that he will benefit us. as for pompeo, we promised to talk about it, yes, it is quite an effective plan, there is one of the... caveats, which can be very painful for ukrainian public opinion, that ukraine may lose part of the territory, i mean the plan that i printed from the wall street journal, for the rest, it is an ideal plan in terms of the sovereignty of ukraine, it is nato membership and the rest of the things that are repeated, like boris johnson's, in his plan, which we also saw in the daily mail the day before. yes,

to cede some part of the territory, but what exactly, four oblasts plus crimea, or only part of these four oblasts? it's a matter of negotiating position, which pompeo hints will be trump's negotiating position, namely on these parts. the trouble is that precisely the first part of the plan, the absolute sovereignty of ukraine, is unacceptable to moscow. these plans of both johnson and pompeo are not acceptable to moscow. they may be acceptable to trump, but moscow will never agree to a change in non-aligned status. yes, probably, in these three preliminary conditions, which putin named before the summit in switzerland, provoking themselves. in switzerland, there are conditions for the withdrawal of units of the armed forces from the unoccupied parts of the territories of four regions for some sharp reactions, but this is possible he can give in, here they can push the administrative border, maybe. the condition of lifting the sanctions is important for moscow, because the sanctions are painful, painful, but still , they are sanctions imposed by third countries. ukrainian sanctions are not the most principled for

moscow, but the american, european, australian, canadian, japanese, and other countries need to apply for them. with this request, why should kyiv, if it declares an agreement under the previous conditions, be concerned with the cancellation of these sanctions, these are sanctions of third countries, but regarding the non-bloc status, i.e. preventing ukraine from joining nato, moscow will never back down. and on the ground, on the ground, as they are going, so to speak, to return the territory, so we also understand that this is a symbolic story, well, because putin is with him, they are not for nothing. voiced and, so to speak, made changes to the russian constitution, both with non-aligned status or nato membership, well, we understand the position of moscow, so here is the whole fable about the indivisibility of security and so on on the continent, but the story about the territories that it must be returned, no matter how they could sell them, well, or they could not, and they will simply stand on that. indeed, the constitution

of the russian federation, which included these new subjects in its composition. provides , including the laws that will follow from it, that it is impossible to change the territorial integrity of russia, as a criminal article, even for a call, i defended ulmi umerov in crimea under this article, in general, in no way can we talk about the rejection of the territory of the russian federation, if they included them in their constitution, captured and included, yes, yes, they already occupied and included, on the other hand, the russian constitution is a chewed-up support in... no one will pay attention to the liberal constitution, it's just that apart from the constitution, putin's plans are even more ambitious, he wants all of ukraine, and not only four regions, and here he leaves a maneuver for himself, i assume that he can move somewhere, say that we keep the occupied territories for ourselves, this is a negotiating position, but for the unoccupied part we are ready to bargain, whatever they offer us, and what does he

offer, i wonder, and what does he offer for all this in return, but basically the only thing proposed is that they... will not advance on kyiv, try to advance on kyiv, especially after the receipt of these planes by ukraine, according to bloomberg, yesterday 20, maybe the first batch of planes, no one knows how many, without saying about the rest, you first capture that kyiv, of course, if the troops were stationed near kyiv, there would be other negotiations, but there is no way to determine this military balance, which gives preference to one side or the other, it is such that when the war continues, ukraine she will definitely lose or vice versa ukraine in a hundred. moscow will definitely lack the strength to hold the occupied territories, or will it be able to accumulate resources to reach the regional centers, kharkiv, odesa and others. no one knows the answers, there is a military balance, and in the conditions of a military balance, the conditions must be mutually acceptable, not imposed by one side, which is what moscow is trying to do, and it also uses other

ways to push its position, because they will achieve this by military means can't, if they could do it, then would have already reached and stood in kyiv, but this is impossible to achieve, so there is a big game going on here: who will increase the number of allies of their position, who will exhaust their opportunities faster , etc., in particular the information game, all these ipso that are being tested, they are also for that , in order to undermine the unity, monolithicity, confidence in one's own forces, and not only of ukraine, but also of the west, voices are heard, now it is a favorable position, noma to arrange negotiations, the finnish president declares this, also, because, of course, the war is depleting resources europe, in particular, especially that everyone is in an exhausting wait for the results of the elections in america, europe is afraid of the arrival of trump, they are afraid of it. states, france, germany and others, because they have a negative experience of interacting with trump during his presidency from 2016 to the 20th year. in this situation, there is no other recipe,

no other way, except to do what you are doing, to continue fighting, not to accept unacceptable conditions, to hold on until the moment when the situation does not improve in the right direction. if ukraine now retreats and agrees to some conditions of putin, then it will be very difficult to play back. he will grab it and say: you yourself agreed, you yourself are ready to sacrifice something, accordingly, this is a trap, and the kremlin wants to drive ukraine into this trap. the territorial issue is not as important for the kremlin as the issue of ukraine's sovereignty, which involves the possibility of non-aligned status in nato and other alliances, such as the european union and others. the main question is what ukraine will be like, how the 80% of the territory controlled by official kyiv will emerge from this war, or they? leave with a neutral status, which can be undermined by another new war, because no one covers you outside of nato. the network of agreements on guarantees that kyiv is currently signing for the post-war period may not

work, but membership in nato will. we have already seen this. the baltic countries are an example of this status working, and this is the most fundamental issue, and it has not been resolved. thank you very much, mark, for this extremely important conversation on the tv channel. take care, god help you . i want to remind our viewers that now mark feigin, a member of the russian opposition not emigration, a former member of the state duma, who was sentenced to 13 years in prison for anti-kremlin propaganda, according to the decision of the pseudo-first instance, worked for them. thanks mark. thank you. well, the time of our program is over, stay with the espresso tv channel. my colleagues will inform you about all the most important events of this. of the day, take care of yourself and your loved ones, see you on the air, there are discounts until

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today is my interlocutor. extraordinary and plenipotentiary ambassador of the republic of estonia to ukraine, anneli kolk. i will talk to her about important things, about the relations between estonia and ukraine, about the help we received, we will continue receive, and i am sure, we will continue to receive from our brotherly country, and about many other things. madam ambassador, i congratulate you, thank you very much for joining me today, for coming here. thank you, thank you so much. thank you very, very much. for being invited. thank you, look, the first question will be this, estonia is a relatively small country, if compared to other european countries, of course there are smaller ones, but estonia is small, but despite all this, we received a lot of help from your country, as a financial, and military, in why this, i don't know, paradox, maybe why it is like that, or is it because of the knowledge of history, or maybe something else is hiding in it? yes, of course,

one of the main reasons is that we have a common history, we were occupied by the soviet union, we lived together under the conditions of occupation, we know what assimilation, de-russification is, and the soviet tried to erase, eradicate our language, our culture and we know what to do with our common neighbor, of course this was one of the reasons, but i think the main reason why estonia helps, has helped and will continue to to help ukraine, is that estonians love ukrainians very much, we admire how you oppose this

russian evil. behave as you bravely and resolutely fight against brutality, genocide, war crimes, and i think this is the biggest reason why estonia wants to help ukraine, and this war has been brutal for more than 2 years, and the passion of estonians for ukraine is even greater. grows, grows due to the fact that you continue to defend your country, fight for your people, for your cultural identity, and all this is very expensive and very close to eastonians, well, on the one hand , it's bad that this common history, which you mentioned, unites us, and on the other hand, it's good that it unites us, because we feel how close we are to each other, even though we are separated by some, some kilometers separate us.

nevertheless, speaking of aid, are there any statistics on how much aid, for example, military or financial, we have received so far from the republic of estonia? there are very reliable statistics. estonia provided from the beginning full-scale invasion of over 26 million euro humanitarian aid, and this is as government, state aid, aid from the private sector and ordinary ordinary citizens, in terms of military aid, it is more than 500 million , now it has already reached, if compared to gdp, estonia has provided aid for more than 1 .3% of its gdp, which means that we are one of the most active.

countries that support ukraine. in addition, the government of estonia decided at the end of last year that they will allocate 0.25% of our vbk for ukraine annually for the next four years, namely for military aid, for reconstruction, so our aid will definitely continue, and estonia will do everything that... well, i can only answer this in estonian, i'll try, madam ambassador, don't criticize my accent too much, tanan tejdvaga for everything , what estonia is doing for us, but look, one more point, a few months ago the parliament of estonia passed a law, and then this law was ratified by the president of estonia, which this law allows.