about yashin, about karomurza, i think that this is roughly the same situation. starinkov absolutely did not understand russia, the russia that had appeared, and he was sure that he understood, because he had lived in russia all his life, he was engaged in revolutionary activities there, he was the commissar of petrograd during the time of the provisional government, as he could have thought that the country in which he spent so much time has changed so much in just 6-7 years that it is... another country, and putin's russia, it has changed beyond recognition since 2014, and even more so after 2022, this so often happens when mode passes from an authoritarian to a totalitarian state, by the way, sainka was already killed after the death of lenin, ugh, this was an important rubicon for the soviet union, and for the capabilities of the forces.

therefore, i think that there is such a problem here that they do not really understand the country in which they live, they talk about some kind of political activity, but it is necessary to return to the prisons, to set an example, but this is not all, you understand, that is their influence on the real russia, not the real one in their heads, but the real one, is zero, and it turns out that when they return to russia, or do not leave russia before the threat. of the court verdict, they are not only shortening their own lives, they are actually creating opportunities for russia to hold them hostage and then exchange real spies for them, you know, when a person goes to prison because he does not even imagine, that can become a victim of such repressions, it can be understood, the head of the orlov memorial, how he was involved in public activities. which

seemed to be completely legal, here suddenly they found some article when he once wrote, you see, and he was imprisoned for discrediting the army, it is very difficult to predict, because the conditions of the game change every day, or our colleague from radio liberty, she just came there to her mother, was leaving russia, and here and in kazan they say: oh, you have american citizenship, you didn't register, for your fine, oops, you actually... you should have registered as an agent, oops, and we saw that you were editing some book, and that's all month by month, so at first the person didn't even thinks that the citizens were detained there, so you have to pay a fine and fly on, no, but it's a different situation, on the other hand, of course, the question is, how is it right to come to russia at all, if you work for an organization that everyone actually hates, but that's another story, it's hard to predict to the end, especially when you're not in the context , but when you live there. and you sincerely believe that your

landing will become some important element in the political process, then this again suggests that you do not understand much about what is happening to you, this is a huge problem for all these people, and i have long noticed, to be honest, that they did move, maybe they always lived in such a quite and real world, because they do not know their population, that's when i heard theirs. khrystyna, that the sanctions should be canceled so that ordinary russians do not feel bad. oh, you and i got to this issue, the ukrainians, of course, exploded, and both pivovarov, a figure from khodorkovsky's orbit, in fact, and volodymyr karamorza, in principle, with one voice, all of them with one voice began to say that the sanctions in in the form in which they currently exist, they beat ordinary people russians, and in no way responsible. they give

some kind of specific damage to the regime there, this, this is additional evidence of their lack of understanding that it was the russians who created this regime in their majority, and they still endow the great russian people with some, i don’t know, divine, just righteousness, and it’s for nothing they do, well, this is idiocy, well , imagine some anti-fascist in the year 43 or 44 who speak, you know? but bombing german cities to destroy the german military industry, they are killing ordinary germans who are actually very they now have a negative attitude towards hitler, it is obvious that it is necessary to fight, but with whom, with hitler, with hering, with goebbels, with kalton bruner, and what do ordinary germans have to do with it, ordinary germans are not supporters of this man-hating regime, and vice versa, when you do them bad, you only turn them against you, dear... well

, that's it, it's strange, isn't it, although now we can say as much as we want that it hurts us too, that during the second world war, the historical centers there died german cities. civilians died, this is all a huge tragedy, but who started it, you can find out who voted for hitler, who was extremely enthusiastic about the start of the second world war and this idea of ​​expanding living space, who for many years after the second world war considered hitler the best chancellor of germany of all time and peoples, not the english, the french, and not the americans, but the germans, well, this question is quite good. and here, you understand, they all made up their own minds, and so did navalny, that they are political figures, that they can one day win in some election, which does not exist, and may not be, and that they thus should not say something that will turn against them

the vast majority of what they consider to be their potential electorate, and therefore they should be the defenders of ordinary russians, here putin is a badass. you are good, and there is nothing new about it, this mantra has been around since the 18th and 19th centuries, we must go to the people, work with the people, but we have such a criminal aristocracy, our people are good, but what did they say about us in the police, they imprisoned us, probably, people are dark, we need to educate them, work with them, that's it people's voluntarism is famous, huh, what's new in russian history? well, now it seems as if putin himself walks around the houses of ukrainians, somewhere in buchache, a borodyan, he presses all the buttons himself, he is at the helm of all the planes, as if it is not the russians who go to the army with these contracts, it is only putin, but

the russians in principle, they are beautiful, wonderful, nothing happens to them. here's the number one question: why is that, uh, why do they even have this... amazing idea that they have, and why do they live with that idea, because they keep thinking that they political figures, but they are not political figures, well, of course, you can imagine that in more or less cannibalistic times, yashin could have been elected a deputy in some district there, but that’s also nothing, well, they elected you a deputy in the district, are you engaged in some kind of sewage and what else... there are district affairs, signs, street names, well, it doesn’t affect the system either, you only legitimize it, because the system always says: you see, we have such a democracy, we even have yashin, a critic of putin, district deputy, ugh, and by the way, what does yashin in his first interview, he

says that negotiations are necessary on both sides , people are dying, a tragedy, that's clear, of course it may not be... nice for ukrainians, but we will say it clearly, but ukrainians say that there will be time putin will have time to prepare, but they will also have time to prepare for a new war, well , this is not a russian, but a chinese method, let’s say, it works out like this, that is, it is strange, but there is another point here, christina, i don’t think that in connection with this these people should be in prison, they were put to prisons, because they... by and large defended our truth as well, they opposed the war, you understand, the difference in political views, views, this is not yet a reason for what we considered, let them sit there for 25 years each, because it is possible to go far, this is about the same as what the russians were counting on

when they killed irina farjo. there are many people who do not support her, so they should be happy that she was killed, and her supporters will be in mourning and there will be division. and we said: listen, well, the problem is not what her views are, and our views, they killed a ukrainian citizen, a ukrainian politician, a person who believed in ukrainian statehood, and if we had other views, we discussed with her what this statehood should look like, it is not a matter of political opinion, it is the same here in our country there may be different views with karomorza, yashina, there pivovarov, but they were against the dictatorship, against the war, well, i say yashina again, we can disagree 3 thousand times. but he was imprisoned for criticizing the war, he was simply imprisoned for being against the war, we say a lot, but why not the russians oppose the war, yashin spoke out, he was imprisoned for a long time, and therefore, of course, the release of these people, if there is such

an opportunity, is an absolutely normal humanitarian duty of the west, if there is an opportunity, i say once again, but returning to the question , which putin received as a result of this exchange, on the one hand, his... murderer krasikov and his ilk, and on the other hand, well , in fact, he received outside lobbyists for the lifting of sanctions from the russian federation, or... modifications of these sanctions in order to , to them, i think it does not matter at all, i to you i will be honest about the fact that there are many people from the representatives of the russian opposition who say that sanctions should be lifted against russia because of the guilty russians, they have been saying this since 2002, some will say it more, some less, you understand , this one will disappear, as it always happens in the information space, well , the first press conference, well, the thesis, well , we talked, then people disappear from the information space. are already appearing among other russian oppositionists, i do not have at all,

i do not think that it has any serious political significance, because if he decides that sanctions should be lifted from russia, they will definitely be lifted not because the russian oppositionists are talking about it, but now there is no reason to believe that this will happen, so you understand, the problem with sanctions is not this, the problem with sanctions is that we have made a clear discovery in these 2.5 years that in our there are two economies, the economy of the west, the economy of the global south, and by and large, sanctions, even the strongest sanctions of the west, cannot force someone to take any decisive action if this head of state can survive at the expense of the economy countries of the global cock, this is a huge danger for the future for everyone, because we have been saying since 2014 that if the west introduced sanctions against russia, sanctions. from hell there are the most sanctions, but then putin would stop the war, but they do not introduce, and the west

said: oh, if such sanctions are introduced, putin can start a big war, it is better, then, to continue working economically, so that he needs some interest, remember, yeah yeah, north stream one, north stream two, we'll get him interested business, and in 2022, all this did not work, no one will be interested. a great war began, sanctions from hell appeared, limits even on russian oil prices, europe got rid of russian gas in a few years, and what, and nothing, well, russia has problems, but not those that force putin to stop the war, why, because china buys oil, india buys oil, other countries of the global south cooperate with russia, turkey, saudi arabia. south africa, brazil, big economies, all of it. of course,

you can't compare it with the volume of western economies, but can you? yes, chinese is possible. ot. so it turns out that it just doesn't work anymore. and the west did not understand it, and we did not understand it. that here is this important argument that was always supposed to work, it didn't work. there are countries that are under huge western sanctions. three. russia. north korea, against this background of these huge sanctions, north korea has developed its nuclear program, has nuclear weapons, china is helping it survive, iran is close to creating an atomic bomb, north korea and iran are helping russia with weapons, two countries that are under western sanctions, north korea, even sanctions that are approved by the un. other countries can help with weapons, sanctions not only limit, but also

untie their hands in a sense, it turns out, well , the problem is not even that, but the problem is that iran is under such serious sanctions, and president trump even in his time came out with this nuclear deal, so that iran would be under sanctions, so that its economy would not develop, and here is this iran that was left under sanctions. firstly, he is close to an atomic bomb, and secondly, he organized a large-scale attack against israel, well, it did not end successfully, because it was repelled, but it was a large-scale attack, and no one in iran dies of hunger in the streets , right? and in russia no one dies of hunger, and i will tell you that it is by and large a vicious circle, and this is much more important than what karamurza from yashino and pivovaro says there, that the west cooperates fruitfully with... cooperates fruitfully with india, invests huge amounts of money in theirs

economy, buys their products, the purchase of their products, stimulates them to buy new volumes of oil, gives them dollars, currency, they then buy oil and gas from russia, because they need all this in order to further sell products to the west, it is calculated from russia in yuan and rupees, that is... they don't lose anything at all, but one way or another, russia can use this money to ensure a certain standard and social security of the military-industrial complex, and this can continue ad infinitum. china still supplies russia with parts, so to speak, parts, let's say, for military products, maybe he doesn't supply the weapon itself, let's believe what sydzimpin tells president zelensky, but when you supply two parts from which you can assemble a weapon, it's all the same it's also the fact

that you supply weapons, and this is what confuses me much more, you see, because the thing is that... the west will not lift any sanctions against russia, i think you understand, i understand, i'll tell you more, karamuza , karamurza and yashin also understand, they are experienced people, they are all fine understand, they say this not for the west, but again for this conditional russian electorate, which, in their opinion, may one day appear, i doubt it, but at the same time... this confuses me more, so that i don't see any reason to believe that as a result of this vicious circle there won't be some time for the russian economy where they really think, listen, we 're getting close to total collapse, and we need to end the war, because we

're not going to survive, we we perfectly understand even if the war is suspended, no sanctions against russia will be lifted, this is... a complex mechanism, the jackson wenik amendment, the famous one that banned access to the soviet union, high-tech products, was introduced under president nixon, and was canceled after against for of each specific former soviet republic is already ours in the 21st century, when everyone has already forgotten why it was introduced and this topic that was... connected with it, which was the free emigration of jews from the soviet union, just didn't exist anymore, the soviet union didn't exist, the ban on jews didn't exist, nothing existed except the amendment, that's how it will be with these sanctions, the war will end, there will be some kind of agreement, trump will become president, what if trump becomes president, no repeal sanctions, unless

the united states congress votes to lift the sanctions, there will be no lifting of the sanctions. and this is a whole, whole story for ten years, in russia everyone understands this perfectly well, that there will be no more lifting of sanctions, that this is not a war at all related, they may demand something there, conditionally speaking, remove the limits on the sale of our oil so that we can sell it at a higher price, it may be, the limits may be canceled, or give the possibility of safe transportation of some products that are not subject to sanctions, say there is agricultural, something else. it can be everything, but it does not solve anything definitively, that is what is really important, it is true, it is the possibility of unfreezing russian assets, that is what they may be interested in, because it is, relatively speaking, rough money, and it is not sanctions, these are just assets that are not issued to them, but

they are there, and they are there, they do not get profits from them, but they are lying there, that's what they ... they can talk about, but this is not only a small part of the sanctions policy, but the real sanctions policy is financial transactions, the world for banks, it is a ban on the sale of a whole range of goods there, which, this is cooperation with various firms, you understand that if such a number of firms in concerns, banks, if it has already left, then for to return to it too... it will take 20 years, well again, khrystyna, well, remember how many western companies came to ukraine without any sanctions, but in 1991, this communist system collapsed, a market economy began, and what, we have western concerns, not really, we , i'm sorry, we still don't have a starbucks, it's 2020, the fourth year, we

still don't have a starbucks, until now. this is just an ordinary example, uh, we still don't have ikea on the scale that this concern is in europe, i'm just telling you, just calling, so to speak, brands are understood by ordinary people to the consumer, i'll allow myself a small comment, many economists say that starbucks and ikea have their own considerations regarding the market in ukraine and... regarding the ability of ukrainians to pay for their products, as well as whether we have competitors of the corresponding level as well, well , but it's a trailer, in many small central european countries. and where there's a smaller market and where there's less opportunity, they've always opened up these uh-uh brands, and that's just one example, of course, right, there are considerations,

but now imagine a company that needs to return to russia after years of war, sanctions and so on, and this company also begins to calculate, and why not return, and what is the matter with the market, and are they able to buy, and is this not a risk, but we will come back, and after three years we will be told again that we have to leave, we are introducing sanctions, you cannot continue to work there, it might be better to wait 15 years and not return anywhere, why should we go back there, we would rather go to mexico than go to the country that just settled war, and where is the guarantee that it will not be arranged in a year, who will give us a guarantee, this is business, so i tell you once again, no one will return anywhere, this train has already left, but you see certain stamps to ukraine there. come back because they can afford to come back and come and go because it is not related to their reputation, on the contrary it shows how they are uh, i

would say humanistic, that they are ready even for a country in which there is a war to work on the market, and with russia everything will be completely different, so no, that's all, you know, as they say, dead that's how it died, and in this respect i'm not interested in it at all. i say, i am interested in another thing, how the russian economy can survive for a long time when it becomes part of the chinese economy, when chinese brands, chinese investments, chinese participation in the military-industrial complex and in the consumer market, well, the russians are on their own they didn't expect, they thought when the sanctions would start, they were preparing for it, they were preparing for it, i would tell you many decades, when president putin first became president, he became a few years later to tell the oligarchs what they need to do... to sell money in russia or to some friendly countries, that he does not guarantee money to anyone in the west, why they kept part of their assets there is another question, but i

have heard such conversations since 2000, and lo and behold, now in this very situation, we see that in russia they were preparing, preparing, decided that when there will be western sanctions, they will... focus on the countries of the global south, diversify the risks, and have reoriented only on one china, exactly one china , and this is really serious problem. mr. vitaly, regarding the events in the middle east, i also cannot help but ask, this week was crowned with the elimination of the leaders of hamas and hezbollah, as for hezbollah, it happened after 12 children died just on a sports ground in israel. we certainly understand the scale of the humanitarian disaster in the gas sector, but we return to the topic of what

started it all, with terrorist approaches, the proxy armies of iran in the first place, the elimination of the hamas vetashka happened in tehran at a time when in this country was being sworn in by the newly elected president, one of the high-ranking diplomats was even dispatched to this event. from the european commission is interesting. and the first question for you: surely you should not hope that the effectiveness of these terrorist groups will change in any way because of the death of one of their leaders, right? no, it's wrong. and i was a very serious figure. and if it is true that mohamed deif, the leader of the military wing of hamas, also died. these are quite serious blows to the structure. ugh. and that. by the way, it can seriously change itself the situation at the negotiations on the termination, because there is information that ismail haniyaka

was trying all the time to disrupt these negotiations, firstly, because he was always very closely connected with the iranians and with the russians, he was the first to go to moscow with the hamas even when he was the prime minister of the palestinian authority, they invited him there, plus his contacts with iran, secondly, he simply has such a position, he was considered soft there from the point of view of relations with israel in general, but it is not clear what was this softness, we saw how he behaved 7 on october 23, when he was just happy that those children and women were killed, but at the same time, in the approaches to stop the hostilities in particular , he turned out to be a very tough negotiator, who all the time refused the ultimate... they were already ready certain conditions and he 's been breaking them all the time, so i'm assuming that just his death could change the situation if...

if it doesn't lead to a bigger escalation in terms of the exchange of strikes between iran and israel there, that's a different story, yeah that's not, it's zmi, and it's basically how you understand if you destroy the entire politburo of hamas, in the effectiveness of this organization, it will hurt a lot, but if there is no longer haniya, there is no deif, khaled mashal remains yahisenvar of such quite serious people, mohabeda bu marzouk, but he does not play such a prominent role, this is a problem for them. haniya is a big problem in general, he is a person with a huge number of political connections, and the level of connections that he had and trust in him, no one from hamas has ever had that, international, i mean, and this a person who was said to he has 4 billion dollars there from his wealth, which he could also use for hamas, so this is not a joke, but there is another story here, another story that the iranians certainly cannot help but

respond, they are just scared. no one understands how it happened, because at first they were talking about a rocket attack, now they are talking about some kind of christening, well, what kind of shells are these, if he killed two people only in a big house, where many people are already there, you know that next to the room, there were apartments where the leader of the other lived terrorist organization of islamic jihad, and nothing happened to him at all. so something happened there in this very room of hania, and if it is true that the mossad used the employees of the security system, this security service for the top leaders of iran, which is subordinate to the command of the islamic revolutionary guard corps, then you can imagine how ayatalakhania and other iranians feel managers, that is, if their bodyguards

can take. in the setting of bombs in their own residences, then who will protect them? therefore they and scared in the literal sense of the word. it simply shows that they have no security, that they have a wooden state. by the way, do you remember that the russians wanted to bribe zelenskyi's security guards. do you remember well, we found out about it, but the iranians didn't. every time we say that we don't always have an efficient state, but right away it turned out that... a more efficient state than iran, imagine that someone comes to us, invites a guest to some protocol ceremony, and he is killed in his own room, can you imagine myself, the level of shame in general, well, in iran it is like that happened, but again, if they're talking about how they should respond, it's important how they should respond, their idea that they should respond to israel in such a way that israel never does this again in tehran, that

's not even history request, but about tehran. israel could not do this 10 thousand times in qatar, where haniya lives, but they do not want to spoil relations with qatar, that is , to put qatar in such a situation, but with iran it is possible, but how can they answer what they can do after of how one of of their attacks, this last one did not end in anything, this is also the number one question, ugh, and we will definitely look, because... what the iranian strike will be, how effective it will be, will depend on the israeli response and further development events, what is the problem here, the previous iranian attack turned out to be completely useless, because iranian drones and drones destroyed countries neighboring israel in the airless space.