elements that interfere and create problems for the discourse, yes, this is part of this program, this work, itso and the rest. many do not understand the connection between these things, for example, the discourse that opposes the negotiation process as such in ukraine, because they have their own considerations. this is a right-wing discussion mainly, but not only, it consists in the fact that one cannot stop at the binding conditions of the agreements, at the ultimatums that moscow puts forward. it is necessary to create maximum comfort now. situation so that it does not happen in ukraine a defining thesis in public opinion, that is, if you, for example, put a lot of pressure on the radicals, let's tentatively call them that, from the side of moscow, then this public opinion can be swayed in the right direction. moscow needs negotiations, a ceasefire, a truce, etc., because there are conditions, both external and internal. internally, we do not fully understand, perhaps moscow's reserves for the continuation of the war are running out, and it is increasingly difficult to fight further, for many reasons. and

people have decreased who want to go to war, industry, defense is unknown how works, all this is a secret, but what nabibulina, the head of the central bank, declares already gives grounds to say that there is a lack of money for the war, there are also external factors, they consist in the fact that moscow cannot be under sanctions and pressure for too long, which is increasing, moreover, moscow, submitting to these factors, seeks quick negotiations, who is against negotiations in ukraine, it is important, in ukraine it is the right, it is... nationally oriented forces, i.e. the majority , some effect is needed so that the influence of these forces, their radical position had less effect on public opinion i also believe that negotiations now on the terms put forward by moscow are absolutely unacceptable for ukraine, because they will not end the war, at best they will postpone it, at worst they will prolong it. that's all in my opinion, because if we agree to moscow's terms, we can talk about this in more detail, then this means not just a concession, but programming and... moscow

will be sent a signal that it is possible, that it works, and from this point of view is necessary, of course, to such as farion, although i do not think that she was too influential, she probably had detractors inside ukraine as well, she cursed with the army, especially with the russian-speaking part, they should shut up, she's not the only one like that, right? and how big can this potential be? the letter yes, well, i think, mark, that you are also in it, taking into account the sentence, or there is drawn to you, so to speak, the charge, how many years are there seven or 8 years for you or 13, i was given 11, 11 years for for attorney fagin, i was already convicted in the first instance, several weeks have passed, they still do not issue the motivational part of the sentence to my lawyer, it will be very interesting to read it, there are three episodes, i think... i see

where i said that there was a genocide in buch, ukrainians were killed by the russian military, and i was convicted for that, yes, i am on this list, but i am guarded by the french police and my safety is ensured in this way, i don't know if a drone can fly to france, i don't know, but from a security point of view, yes, i am on this list, but there are many people on it, i am not the only one , it would be too presumptuous to assume that they single-handedly targeted me, again anyway, i repeat, they don't evaluate the efficiency from... the degree of significance, how much a person influences the russian audience or not, although i have a big channel, they still know me in russia for too many years. no, this is still a necessary demonstration, even the attack on ponomaryov's house is also a demonstration for the rest of us, get scared, kneel down and do not interfere, let us do what we want, and generally disappear from the political field. yes, this blist contains people in ukraine. in ukraine, it is more difficult to do this, it is possible only remotely, on the level. drones, although contract killings are possible

also, there are specifics here, this is a question for the ukrainian special services, how they work with this, they probably have secrets about this, if this is really the case, then it means that there is a revival, that is , the activation of such things indicates some other parallel processes , and you very correctly said that the key story is the kremlin's interest in getting what it wants, yes, in particular, in a diplomatic way, and... if we talk about the parameters, the first parameter, yes, the kremlin immediately announced the story that he does not want and does not will communicate with our government, which he considers illegitimate, well whose cow mooed, so to speak, yes, it is clearly not the kremlin, but this is one moment, another moment, the situation in the states, we understand, it will be hot in the states and the kremlin hoped for the fact that trump will take power from biden, and after november, accordingly, the kremlin scenario can work in one. gate, i.e. with

the ultimate imposition on ukraine of what they say, so to speak, they will want in the kremlin and will agree to the matter, perhaps with the trump administration, well, i am oversimplifying it. but the situation is getting complicated for the kremlin, and the autumn scenario can be put in a certain so-called long drawer, so to speak, and that is why they count on something for the spring, that is , the energy scenario, shahedis, missiles and a set of measures, and after that, as they say , the immeasurable suffering of the ukrainian people, that's how my american friends formulate it, but then the kremlin would like to impose, so to speak, i don't know... is there any other platform, how do you see it? i believe that in the fall of direct negotiations or some direct actions, which we will not see will contribute to this. by direct action, i mean action by the united

states. the first and most important factor - there is no certainty as to who exactly will rule the country, will it be the same democrats, their line or trump? it is quite obvious that this is possible, even for dems. to opposing positions, because uncertainty breeds uncertainty about the settlement plan, what the parties will agree to: do i mean the democrats or trump? kamala harris, if she becomes a candidate and wins the election, will of course continue the line biden, this is a moderate line of support for negotiations with ukraine, but at the same time with a firm position of supporting ukraine, providing it with military and financial assistance, etc., without making it a condition, assistance in exchange for participation in negotiations. by trump, i mean what he's been saying, i'm going to talk about mike pompeo's plan separately, but still what he's saying and what we're hearing from him, or senator vance and others, right up to his son, rather, it can be interpreted so that he is ready to negotiate with putin himself, none

formats are not needed, neither swiss, nor in jeddah, saudi formats, nor chinese, and why, he says: i will meet with putin and agree, that is, any shuttle missions in... orbán and others are all the quality of action that serve trump's position, who are trying to drag him into some kind of peace process. some istanbul format, for example, he doesn't need that. he says: i will personally agree with putin, but why can't they agree? we heard the parameters of the plan closest to trump, for which he does not give up aid to ukraine, but makes it dependent on ukraine's readiness to participate in peace negotiations, that is, we will help militarily, but ukraine... must agree to peace negotiations, whether it is a parallel or a substitute process, but it is quite certain. i want to say that this cannot happen before january 20, because trump will be inaugurated if he wins the election only on january 20 , 2025, and then, closer to spring, he

will hold meetings with putin and decide something, can they agree or no, fundamentally, all the rest of the arguments about what the ukrainian government is not recognized because after may 20. president zelenskyi is not legitimate, all this is done by moscow through ipso in order to lower and dump the authorities in ukraine, but no more, realizing that in reality this is not an argument, after all, they will talk with the authorities in kyiv, of course, they will conduct negotiations, if such negotiations begin , which concerns all these formats, and the swiss one on the peace formula, and the previous one in istanbul, and the initiative of saudi arabia, which took place on august 5, 2023, and the next one is planned, and the chinese initiative on... a conference with the mandatory participation of russia, it seems to me that this is just a smoke screen, really, this is still a game that both sides play, and the usa plays, and kyiv plays, somewhere it says, well, we are ready for negotiations , understanding that in this format, in which moscow puts forward preconditions, and

putin put forward his three important preconditions before the summit in switzerland, which he believes should be implemented regardless of the start of negotiations, the lifting of sanctions , the non-aligned status of ukraine. and liberation of the unoccupied territories of four regions: donetsk, luhansk, zaporizhzhya and kherson. these are unacceptable preconditions. theoretically, moscow can somehow not put forward these conditions, enter the negotiation process without these preliminary conditions. what moscow demands, it needs a cease-fire, it needs preambles for a cease-fire, because this is different, it is not just a cease-fire. a truce always has guarantors. the parties can cease fire, but the guarantors must promote a truce. at least temporarily, then negotiate directly about the details of some agreements, agreements, etc. currently, i do not see any conditions for solving this problem. kyiv and moscow simply cannot meet somewhere without mediators, and such a mediator is not ready, there is no one in the usa, and erdogan has already lost his position as a mediator

whom kyiv trusts. first of all, the usa and the west do not see erdogan as an effective mediator. because he would get too close to moscow, we see that, therefore... the dogan platform is unlikely to be effective, with regard to china, it is more tempting, because china has an important trump card, mutual with moscow, the opportunity influence her and bring her to negotiations, force. to participate, this is a format that china itself will approve, but it faces the problem that the us is not going to give china such trump cards. they do not want china to act in this conflict on the territory of europe as a peacemaker, mediator, guarantor, someone else there, strengthening its international authority, like, now china decides when to start and stop wars, the usa will never agree to this, never. trump is generally anti-chinese. and even the current biden administration continues for obama's calling china not a superpower, but

a regional power in southwest asia, and nothing more, does not recognize his claim to some kind of binary world, bipolar, in which there is washington and beijing, so the us will not agree to this. in my opinion, there is a very high probability that the negotiations will start precisely from the meeting, if trump wins, trump with putin, if trump does not win, then it is very likely that someone will. a quadrangle will be formed: the usa, china, russia, ukraine. such a quadrilateral may arise if kamala harris comes to power and trump loses election. then yes, this configuration has better chances, but it cannot happen before spring . well, in any case, mark, we understand that putin voiced those conditions that are unacceptable by definition for a reason, and no matter how you treat putin, he is not a clinical idiot, and he is quite experienced. therefore, that is, he could not voice certain parameters, in particular, when we are talking about

the annexation of ukrainian territories that have not yet been captured, and taking into account aviation, the f-16 component, we understand that putin's plan, even for his generals, is unrealistic, but he went for it, and here it can be assumed that one or another environment is possible, i don’t know what mandate abramovich had for istanbul, yes, but he represented someone, and accordingly , putin in a... way wants to cut off one or the other alternative to his position, ideas, respectively, pompeo's plan, we understand, this is good, but also there is no stamp on this plan with the name of president donald trump, because it is not a fact that he will become president, but always in any case trump can to say, well, it's pompeo's fantasy, he's a cool dude, me i respect him, we drank 4 liters of whiskey, but it's not my idea, and accordingly here... we may also have unpleasant surprises, yes, because trump, the guy is also experienced, but his

experience, well, not the fact that he will go for our benefit. as for pompeo, we promised to talk about it, yes, it is quite an effective plan, there is one caveat that can be very painful for ukrainian public opinion, that ukraine may lose part of the territory, i mean the plan that was printed by the wall street journal, for the rest, is a perfect plan in terms of sovereignty. of ukraine, this is membership in nato and the rest of the things that are repeated, like boris johnson's, in his plan, which we also saw in the daily mail the day before, yes, to give up some part of the territory, but what exactly, four regions plus crimea, or only part of those four areas, it's a question of the negotiating position, which pompeo is hinting will be trump's negotiating position, specifically on those parts. the trouble is that precisely the first part of the plan, the absolute sovereignty of ukraine, is unacceptable for... these plans of both johnson and pompeo unacceptable to moscow, they may be acceptable to trump, but moscow

will never agree to change the non-aligned status, so probably in these three preliminary conditions, which putin mentioned before the summit in switzerland, provoking the summit in switzerland to some sharp reactions, there conditions for the withdrawal of units of the armed forces from the unoccupied parts of the territories of the four regions, but perhaps he can give in to this, here they can move the administrative border, perhaps. the condition of lifting the sanctions is important for moscow, because the sanctions are painful, painful, but still this sanctions imposed by third countries. ukrainian sanctions are not the most principled for moscow, but the american, european, australian, canadian, japanese, and other countries, it is necessary for them to make this request, why should kyiv, if it declares an agreement based on previous conditions, be concerned with the cancellation of these sanctions , these are sanctions of third countries, but regarding non-bloc status, i.e. non-admission. never, but on the ground, on

the ground, as they intend to go to return the territory, so do we we understand that this is a symbolic story, well , because putin is with him, they voiced and, so to speak, made changes to the russian constitution for a reason, as well as with non-aligned status or membership in nato, well, we understand the position of moscow, so this is all a fable about the indivisibility of security. and so on on the continent, but the story is about the territories that must be returned, how they could sell them, well, or they could not, and they will simply stand on that. of the russian federation, which included these new subjects in its composition, provides, among other things, laws that it will follow that it is impossible to change the territorial integrity of russia, there is a criminal article, even for calling, i defended umerov in crimea under this article in lma. in general, in no way can you talk about the rejection of the territory of the russian federation, if they included

them in their constitution. captured and turned on, yes. yes, already occupied. and included, on the other hand, the russian constitution is chewed paper in the toilet, no one will pay attention to the constitution, it's just that apart from the constitution , putin's plans are even more ambitious, he wants all ukraine, and not just four regions, and here he leaves a maneuver for himself, i assume that he can move somewhere, say that we keep the occupied territories for ourselves, this is a negotiating position, but for the unoccupied part, we are ready to bargain, that we will offer, and what does he offer, i wonder, what does he say about... noue for all this in return, but in fact it is only proposed that they will not advance on kyiv, try to advance on kyiv, especially after receiving these planes by ukraine, as claims bloomberg, yesterday 20, maybe the first batch of planes, no one knows how much, not to mention the rest, you first capture that kyiv, of course, if the troops were stationed near kyiv, there would be other negotiations, but

there is no such thing, how to determine this military balance, which gives preference to one side or the other, it is such that ... when the war continues, will ukraine definitely lose it, or will ukraine resist? moscow will definitely lack the strength to hold the occupied territories, or is it able to accumulate resources to reach the regional centers, kharkiv, odesa and others? no one knows the answers, there is a military equilibrium, and in military conditions balance conditions should be mutually acceptable, not imposed by one side, which moscow is trying to do and also uses other methods to push its position, because they cannot achieve this by military... methods, if they could achieve this, then would have reached and stood in kyiv, but this cannot be achieved, so there is a big game going on here: who will increase the number of allies of their position, who will exhaust their capabilities faster, etc., in particular the information game, all these ipso that are being tested, they are also for that , to undermine unity, monolithicity,

confidence in one's own strength, and not only of ukraine, but also of the west, voices are heard, but now it is profitable. the finnish president declares this, others also, because, of course, the war is draining the resources of europe, in particular, especially since everyone is in an exhausting wait for the results of the elections in america, europe is afraid of the arrival of trump, this is what the major powers, france, germany and others are afraid of , because they have a negative experience of interacting with trump during his presidency from 2016 to the 20th year. in this situation there is no other recipe, another way, except do what you're doing, keep fighting, don't settle for unacceptable conditions, hang on until the situation changes in the right direction. if ukraine retreats now and agrees to some of putin's conditions, then it will be very difficult to play back. he will grab it and say: "you yourself agreed, are you ready to sacrifice something?" accordingly, it is

a trap. and the kremlin wants to drive ukraine into this trap. the territorial issue is not as important for the kremlin as the question. sovereignty of ukraine, which provides for the possibility non-aligned status in nato and other unions such as the european union and others. the main question is what ukraine will be like, how the 80% of territories controlled by official kyiv will come out of this war, or will they come out with a neutral status that can be undermined by another new war, because no one covers you outside of nato. the network of agreements on guarantees that kyiv is currently signing for the post-war period may not work. but membership in nato will work, we have already seen this, the baltic countries are an example of the fact that this status works, and this is the most fundamental issue, and it has not been resolved. thank you very much, mark, for this extremely important conversation on espresso tv. take care, god help you, i want to remind our tv viewers that mark feigin, a figure

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i am serhiy stakhovskyi, the former number one racket of ukraine, the 31st racket of the world, during my 15 -year professional career, i took part in all the biggest tennis competitions in the world, including big shagloms, won atp competitions, spent 16 years in the ranks of the ukrainian tennis team . i

i was born in the city of kyiv, i am from kyiv, i am ukrainian, i really love this country, these people, this land, and i understand that each of us makes certain sacrifices. after the full-scale invasion, i joined the ranks of the defense and today i am a special agent of the center of special operations and the security service of ukraine. special operations center a. the security service is fighting on all front lines, we have units in all regions of ukraine and in every part of the combat zone. the unit

works efficiently, we use small groups, the group plans the points of defeat, us are called to reinforce or suppress the moscow assaults, we ourselves are in the location, we measure our evacuation routes ourselves, we set our own route, again depending on the task , groups are formed, whether it is only a mortar, whether it is an fp mortar or two mortars . and the group commander immediately sets the tasks, i was in the mortar calculation for a certain time, then i switched to the engineers for fpv drones, that is, it is the equipment of the drone itself for its flight, due to the fact that we are constantly moving along the line

a combat encounter and... of course we all need to be able to shoot from machine guns, from pistols, throw grenades, that's why all this is constantly practiced, when we return to the bpd, it's all constantly practiced, sharpened, improved, well, i have to practice a lot , because the employees themselves, who are, let's say , hr employees, it's all easier for them, because they 've been doing it all their lives, so of course i have a lot to catch up on. the large-scale invasion of muscovites into ukraine is unprecedented in the 21st century, with missiles, by air, to attack a neighboring independent state, this is an incredible tragedy of ukraine, because the number of civilians killed, raped, taken away, tortured, robbed by the muscovites, well, it is measured in tens of thousands, destroyed cities, which

are completely destroyed. and i saw these cities with my own eyes, and this, of course, is very much in relation to what muscovites represent themselves, as a nation, as a state, and what they want to achieve. as of today, the aggressor has already destroyed more than 500 sports infrastructure facilities in ukraine, killed several thousand athletes, instructors, and these crimes did not end. the opportunity to instill a love of sports in children was taken away from us, precisely to people who professionally knew how to do it. as a person who has devoted more than 20 years of my life to sports, i really want to give a part of myself to the sport that has given me almost everything. fortunately, i am allowed to work with young tennis players, so i have the opportunity to share some of my experience. the fact

that ukraine is at the olympics is already an incredible victory in the conditions of a full-scale war, bombings, destruction, murders and the like. the victory of the defense forces, because we have a country, and the victory of our athletes who qualified for this olympics is huge. the russian army continues to push back the

defense line of the armed forces of ukraine in donbas every day. ukraine is losing several kilometers of territory, and russia is capturing new villages. the situation is critical in several directions at once, whether it is realistic to hold donbas, considering that ukraine received f-16. we will talk about this in the second part of the program, and we start with the inclusion of lviv, where the suspect in the murder of linguist iryna farion asked the court to change his preventive measure. my name is vlasta lazur, this is svoboda life. the suspect killed. iryny farion 18-year-old vyacheslav zinchenko joined the meeting today via video link. the defense urged the court to change the preventive measure from detention to 24-hour house arrest at the place of residence with the wearing of an electronic bracelet. according to the boy's lawyers, there is currently no direct evidence of his involvement in the murder of irina farion. court defense arguments did not take into account vyacheslav zinchenko remains in custody.

my colleague halyna tri monitored the appeal process. halyna, correspondent of radio svoboda in lviv.