and that's why they should be defenders of ordinary russians. putin is bad, you are good. and there is nothing new in this. this mantra has been around since the 18th and 19th centuries. it is necessary to go to the people, work with the people. our aristocracy is criminal, our people are good. and why did they report us to the police, put us in prison, they are probably dark people, we need to educate them, work with them. well, this popular voluntarism is famous, what is new here in russian history? well, now it’s as if such an impact, as if putin himself walks around the houses of ukrainians, somewhere in buchichi in a borodianka, he himself does not he presses all the buttons, he is at the helm of all the planes, as if it is not the russians who go to the army with these contracts, it is only putin, and the russians are, in principle, wonderful, wonderful, nothing happens. with them, that's the

number one question, why is that, uh, why is this an amazing idea that they have and why do they live with this idea, because they keep thinking that they're politicians, and they're not politicians , of course, you can imagine that in more or less cannibalistic times they could elect a deputy in some area there, but they elected you for nothing deputy in the district. do you deal with some kind of sewage and some other district affairs, signs, street names, well , it does not affect the system, you only legitimize it, because the system always says: you see, we have such a democracy, we even have yashin, a critic of putin , a district deputy, ugh, and by the way, what does yashin do in his first interview, he says, negotiations are needed from both sides. people are dying,

a tragedy, it is clear, of course, it may be unpleasant for ukrainians, but we will clearly say there, but ukrainians say that there will be time in putin to prepare, but they will have time to prepare for a new war, well, that's not a russian, but a chinese method, let's say , it works out that way, it's strange, but there is another point here, khrystyna. i don't think these people should be in jail for that, they were put in jail because they were largely defending our truth as well, they were against the war, you know, the difference in political views, views, this is not yet a reason for what we considered, let them sit there for 25 years, because you can go far come in, it's about the same as what the russians were counting on when they killed iryna faryo, but a lot of people don't support her.

that's why they should be happy that she was killed, and her supporters will be in mourning and there will be division, and we said: listen, well, the problem is not what her views are, and our views, they killed a ukrainian citizen, a ukrainian politician, a person, who believed in ukrainian statehood, and if we had different views, we discussed with her what this statehood should look like, it is not a question of political busts, and here, in we may have different views with karamurza, who lives there with a half-breed. but they were against the dictatorship, against the war, well, i say it again, yashina, you can disagree 300 times, but he was imprisoned for criticizing the war, he was imprisoned simply because he was against the war, we say a lot, and why don't the russians speak out against the war, yashin spoke out, he was imprisoned for a long time, and that's why, of course, the release of these people, that there is such a possibility, is an absolutely normal humanitarian duty of the west, if there is a possibility, i say it again . but coming back

to the question of what putin received as a result of this exchange, on the one hand, his murderer krasikov and his ilk, and on the other hand, well , in fact, he received outside lobbyists for the lifting of sanctions from the russian federation, or modifications of these sanctions so that they would again i think it does not matter at all, i will tell you honestly, that there are many people who are representatives of the russian opposition, who say that sanctions should be lifted against russia... ordinary russians, they have been saying this since 2020 year, someone will say it more, someone less, you understand, this one will disappear, as it always happens in the information space, well , the first press conference, well, the thesis, well , we talked, then people disappear from the information field, already appear among other russian oppositionists, i don’t have , i do not think that this has any serious political significance, because if it is decided that sanctions should be lifted from russia... they

will definitely not be lifted because the russian oppositionists are talking about it, but now there is no reason for this, to think that this will happen, so, you see, the problem is that's not the problem with sanctions, the problem with sanctions is... because we have made a clear discovery in these 2.5 years that there are two economies in the world, the economy of the west, the economy of the global south, and by and large the sanctions, even the strongest sanctions of the west , cannot force someone to take any decisive action, if this head of state can survive at the expense of the economy of the country of the global rooster. this is a huge danger for the future for everyone, because we have been saying since... 2014 that if the west introduced sanctions against russia, sanctions from hell, the most sanctions, but then putin would stop the war, but they do not introduce, and the west said, oh, if such sanctions are introduced, putin can start a big

war, it is better, then, to continue working economically, so that he needs some kind of he is interested, remember, yes, the northern stream one, the northern... two, we will interest him in business, and in 2022, all this did not work, no one was interested, a great war began, sanctions from hell appeared, limits even the prices of russian oil, europe got rid of russian in a few years gas and what, and nothing, well, there are problems in russia, but not those that force putin to stop the war, why? because china buys oil, india buys oil, other countries of the global... cooperate with russia, turkey, saudi arabia, the republic of south africa, brazil, large economies, all this, of course, cannot be compared with the volume of western economies , but the chinese one can, yes, chinese is possible, which means that it turns out that it simply

does not work anymore, and the west did not understand this, and we did not understand this, that here is this important an argument that was always supposed to work, it didn't. there are three countries that are under huge western sanctions. russia, iran, north korea. against this backdrop of these huge sanctions, north korea has developed its nuclear program, has atomic weapons, and china is helping it survive. iran is close to creating an atomic bomb. north korea and iran are helping russia with weapons. two countries that are under... western sanctions, north korea, even sanctions that are approved by the un, can help other countries with weapons. sanctions not only limit, but also loosening their hands in some sense, it turns out, well, the problem is not even that, but the problem

is that iran is under such serious sanctions, and president trump even at one time withdrew from this nuclear agreement, so that iran. was under sanctions so that its economy would not develop, and here is this iran, which remained under sanctions, firstly, close to an atomic bomb, and secondly, organized a large-scale attack against israel, well, let it not end successfully, because its managed to repulse, but it was a large-scale attack, and no one in iran dies of hunger on the streets, yes, and in russia no one dies of hunger, and i will tell you that it is by and large a vicious circle, and it is much more important than what it says... there is a fight with yashin and pivavar that the west cooperate fruitfully with china, cooperate fruitfully with india, invest huge sums of money in their economies, buy their products, buy their products, stimulate them to buy new volumes of oil, give them dollars,

currency, they then buy russian oil and gas, because they need all this in order to to further sell. e products to the west are paid from russia in yuan and rupees, that is, they do not lose anything at all, but one way or another, russia can use this money to ensure a certain standard and social security of the military-industrial complex, and this can continue ad infinitum, the chinese supply russia from parts, so to speak, parts, let's say, for military products, maybe he doesn't... supply the weapons themselves, let's believe what sydzimpin tells president zelensky here, but when you supply two parts that can be assembled weapons, it is still the same thing that you are supplying weapons, and this is what confuses me much more, you know, because the fact

that the west will not lift any sanctions against russia, i think you understand, i understand, i will tell you what's more, karamurza karamurza and yashin also understand, they are... experienced people, they understand everything perfectly, they say this not for the west, but again for this conditional russian electorate, which in their opinion may one day appear, i doubt it. ugh, there, but with that, here's me more confusing because i don't see any reason to believe that for the russian economy, as a result of this vicious circle, there won't be times when they really think: listen, we're getting close to total failure and we need to end the war because otherwise we will not survive. we understand this very well, even if the war is suspended, no sanctions against russia

will be lifted. this is a complex mechanism. the famous jackson wenik amendment, which banned access to the soviet union for high-end products technologies, was introduced under president nixon. and it was canceled already after against, for each specific former soviet republic, already ours in the 21st century. when everyone has already forgotten why it was introduced and the topic that was connected with it, it was the free immigration of jews from the soviet union, they simply did not exist anymore, the soviet union did not exist, there was no ban on the departure of jews , nothing existed except for the amendment, the same will happen with these sanctions, the war will end, there will be some agreements, trump will become president, which if trump becomes president, there is no. it doesn't matter who will become president, it won't be in this term, i'll tell you again, kara murza may be the president,

not trump, and the amendment will be in effect, in the days of the russian federation, in the days of yeltsin, this amendment was simply suspended for a year every year , it was not canceled, so why is trump here? at this moment, trump may lie somewhere in the grave for a long time, not because he will be killed, but because he will already be 100 years old, well, let him live to 120, so to speak, but he too not age so it doesn't matter, that is , some sanctions can be canceled, but again, it has to go through the congress, agree, you understand what the cancellation of sanctions is, you have the sanctions of the european union, they were adopted unanimously, so they can be canceled unanimously, if one country, conditionally poland, or conditionally estonia says: sorry, we don't think they deserve it, there will be no cancellation of sanctions. unless the united states congress votes to lift the sanctions, there will be no lifting of the sanctions. and this whole these

the whole story is ten years old, everyone in russia understands this very well that there will be no more lifting of sanctions, that this is not related to the war at all, they can demand something there, relatively speaking, remove the limits on the sale of our oil so that we can it may be more expensive to sell, it may be, the limits may be canceled, or give opportunities safely... transportation of some products that are not subject to sanctions, let's say agricultural products, something else, it may be everything, but it does not solve anything finally, that 's what really is important, it's true, it the possibility of unfreezing russian assets, this may interest them, because this is, relatively speaking, rough money, and these are not sanctions, these are simply assets that are not given to them, but they are there. and they are there, they do not get profits from them, but they lie there,

they can talk about it, but it is not only a small part of the sanctions policy, but the real sanctions policy is financial transactions, the world for banks, it is a ban on selling there of a whole range of goods, which is already a cooperation with various companies, you do you understand that if such a number of firms... in concerns, in banks, if it has already left, then it will take 20 years to return to it, well, again, khrystyna, well, remember how many of these western firms came to ukraine without any sanctions, but in our country in 1991 this communist system collapsed, a market economy began, and that western concerns appeared in our country, not so much, in our country, i apologize, we still have 2020. thursday, in we still don't have starbucks, still,

this is just a simple example, uh, we still have there is no ikea on the scale on which this concern exists in europe, i’m just telling you, just calling, so to speak, the brands are understood by the ordinary consumer, i’ll allow myself a little hint, many economists say that... exactly starbucks and ikea in particular have their own considerations regarding the market in ukraine and the versatility of ukrainians regarding their products, and their availability here. competitors of the corresponding level as well, well, but this is a trailer, in many small central european countries, where the market is smaller, and where there is less opportunities, they always opened these e -brands, and this is just one example, of course, right, there are considerations, but now imagine a company that needs to return to russia after years of war, sanctions and so on, and this

company also begins to count, and why return there, and what about the market there, and are they able to buy, and is it... a risk, we will return, and after three years they will tell us again, we must leave, we will introduce sanctions, you cannot continue to work there, maybe it's better to wait 15 years and not return anywhere, why should we return there, us it is better to go to mexico than to go to a country that has just started a war, and where is the guarantee that it will not start a war in a year, who will give us a guarantee, this is business, so i tell you again, no one is going anywhere... will return there, this train has already left, you see, there are certain brands returning to ukraine because they can afford to come back and come and go, because it is not related to their reputation, on the contrary, it shows what they are , i would say humanistic that they are ready to work for even a country in which there is a war

market, and with russia everything will be completely different, so no, that's all, you know, as they say, died... so died, and in this respect i am not interested in it at all, i mean, i am interested in something other than the russian economy can survive for a long time when it becomes part of the chinese economy, conditionally, when chinese brands, chinese investments, chinese participation in the military-industrial complex and in the consumer market, well, the russians themselves did not expect this, they thought when the sanctions would begin , they were preparing for it, preparing, i should say... or a lot ten years, when president putin just became president, a few years later he began to tell the oligarchs that they should withdraw money to russia or to some friendly countries, that he does not guarantee money to anyone in the west, why did they keep part of their assets there, this is other questions, but i have heard such conversations since 2000, and lo and behold, now in this very

situation we see that in... russia, they prepared, they prepared, they decided that when there will be western sanctions, they will refocus on the countries of the global cock, diversify risks, and refocused on only one china, exactly one china, and this is a really serious problem. mr. vitaly, regarding the events in the middle east, i also cannot help but ask, this week was crowned with the elimination of the leaders of hamas and hezbollah, which concerns. it happened after 12 children died just on a sports ground in israel, we certainly understand the scale of the humanitarian disaster in the gaza strip, but we return again to the topic of what started it all, with terrorist approaches, proxies the armies of iran, first of all, in the elimination of the hamas pullout

happened in tehran at the moment when the newly elected president was taking the oath of office in this country, one of the high-ranking diplomats from the european commission was even seconded to this event, it is very interesting, and the first question for you: surely you should not hope that that the effectiveness of the activities of these terrorist groups will practically change somehow, because of the fact that one of the leaders there died, right? no, not right, and i was a very serious figure, and if it is true that muhammed deif also died. the leader of the military wing of hamas, these are quite serious blows to the structure, uh, and this, by the way, can seriously change the situation in the negotiations on the termination, because there is information that ismail haniyaka was just trying to disrupt these negotiations all the time, firstly, because he was always connected very strongly with with the iranians and

the russians, he was the first to go to moscow from the hamasivites, back when he was. they invited him there, plus his contacts with iran. secondly, he just has such a political position. he was considered soft there from the point of view of general relations with israel, but it is not clear what this softness was. we they saw how he behaved on october 7 in the 23rd year, when he was simply happy that those children and women were killed. but at the same time, in the approaches to... the cessation of hostilities in particular, he turned out to be a very tough negotiator who refused the final result all the time, and those hamataki who are in the gas, yah yasinvar, let's say, they were already ready for certain conditions , and he's been... he's been screwing up all along, so i'm assuming that just his death could change the situation, if it doesn't lead to a bigger escalation in terms of the exchange of blows between the iranians and israel there, that's another

history, so no, it’s zmi and it’s in principle, as you understand, if you destroy the entire politburo of hamas, it will harm the effectiveness of this organization very much, but if there is no longer khaniya, there is no deif, khaled mashal, there remains yahisenvar from such quite serious people mahabeda bu marzouk, but he does not play such a prominent role, this is a problem for them. haniya is generally a big problem, he is a person with a huge number of political connections, and the level of connections that he had and trust in him, no one from hamas has ever had this, international, i i mean, and this is a man who was said to have a $4 billion fortune there, which he could also use for hamas, so it's not a joke, but there's a... another story, another story, that the iranians of course they can't help but answer, they're just scared, no one understands how it happened, because at first they were talking about a rocket attack, now

they're talking about some slanderous baptism, well, what kind of projectile is it, if it killed two people only in a big house , where a lot of people are already there, you know, next to the khaniya room there was, there was an apartment where the leader of another terrorist organization, islam... who was a jihadist, lived, and nothing happened to him at all, so something happened there in this very room of the khania, and if it is true that the mossad used employees of the system security, this security service, the top leaders of iran, which reports to the command of the islamic revolutionary guard corps, then you can imagine how it feels... uh, and other iranian leaders, that is, if their bodyguards can participate in planting bombs in their own residences, then who will protect them? that is why they

are scared in the literal sense of the word. this simply shows that they have no security, that they have a wooden state. by the way, do you remember that the russians wanted to bribe zelenskyi's security guards? so. well, did we learn about it? and the iranians? no, come on, we say that we do not always have an efficient state, but here it has already turned out that we have a more efficient state than iran, imagine that someone comes to us, is a guest of some protocol ceremony, and his being killed in their own room, can you imagine the level of shame in general, well in iran this happened, but again, if they talk about how they should respond, it's important how they should respond, their idea that they should respond to israel like , that israel... never do this again in tehran, the same not even at the request of history, but about tehran, israel could not do it 10 thousand times in qatar, where haniya lives, but they

do not want to spoil relations with qatar, that is , putting qatar in such a situation, but with iran yes, but how can they answer, what can they do after one of their latest attacks failed, that's also the number one question. ugh, and we will definitely look, because what will be the iranian strike, what will be its effectiveness, and the israeli response, and the further development of events, what is the problem here, the previous iranian attack turned out to be absolutely useless , because iranian drones and unmanned aerial vehicles destroyed indiscriminately. but now, will all arab states be ready to participate in

this operation, when their palestinian street will tell them that iran wants to take revenge for hania, such a hero, and you do not give them traitors to our cause, that is, now america will again have to create a coalition against iran on new, i would say under... , when it comes not only to iran, but also to the palestinians, who have always considered hania their leader there, well, i repeat again, this is the person who won the last, the first last parliamentary elections in the palestinian authority, became the prime minister, the last sociological polls showed that if there were elections for the president of the palestinian authority, more than 70% of people voted for khanya. by the way, this says a lot about the mood of the civilian population, however, so there is a question as to how it will develop, in principle

, we are on the threshold of a possible big one. war in the region, it is true. that is, mr. vitaly, if we talk about this previous massive strike by missiles and drones by iran on israel, then, by the way, many analysts said that a similar strike was such that its could be repulsed, because at that time there was no appropriate conjunctural situation where iran would be directly interested in inflicting a crushing defeat on israel. now this one. the situation with the basis for the future answer has completely changed, i understood you correctly, zmi, i do not think that then there will be a special blow so that israel can repel it. it seems that iran simply did not count on the fact that its missiles and drones would not reach israel and would be shot down in the airspace of other countries. this, by the way, is what it is about we tell our allies all the time that if they shoot down in their

airspace or from their airspace. now the question is not what the iranian attack will be, because i don't think that there was any special planning, how weak are you rocks, remember the number of missiles and drones that were directed against israel, it's an unprecedented number, it seems to me, in general, the biggest attack drones in human history, now... iran may not have that many arsenals for such a strike, that's true, but it can count on that some country or several countries through the territory of which all this will be flown will not shoot it down, that is the danger, and then the israeli air defense system will be more difficult than it was during the first

attack. and if it becomes more difficult for her, if not everything is shot down, if something hits some targets, israel will certainly carry out a massive bombing of iran, see that israel has long been looking for an excuse to, say, destroy iran's nuclear facilities completely, and then it will begin a big war, as far as this big war in this region, and not only here is putin interested, because you and i discuss from program to program. that it is in his interests to ignite and increase the number of local conflicts around the world, well , it may not be a local conflict anymore, to be honest, but he is definitely interested, because such a big war, even on the eve of the presidential elections in the united states, it is completely will focus attention on the middle east, completely, this is the time, the second,

he... really contributes to this, you saw that the ministry of foreign affairs of the russian the federation condemned the murder of ismail khan, immediately. but what is it? khanya is the leader of a terrorist organization, this organization killed civilians of israel, took women and children hostage only in october 23. russia seems to condemn terrorism all the time. where is this from? and this is an attempt not even to prove to the palestinians, but to prove to iran that russia will be with him if he starts decisively. that's the hocus-pocus of this story. they are inciting iran and giving him the impression that they will agree with him no matter what he does. there is another factor - this is china. china we also need to strengthen our own capabilities in

the middle east. and by the way, do you remember that a few days before the assassination of hanni and a week later, beijing held a completely unexpected meeting of the leaders of fatah, hamas, and during this meeting they signed a memorandum on the creation of a government of national unity, i think they did nothing will not be created, but the very fact of the appearance of such an organization, so to speak, in beijing, and the idea of ​​this one, says that beijing. the beijingers did not hide this much when the last time there was a state one in beijing united states secretary anthony blinken, they were holding parallel talks with the hamas delegation on the same day that he met with xi jinping, that's all, and they too might be interested in seeing something happen that would reduce the influence of the united states, because they calculate that there will be a war, the united states will help israel, and iran will act.