therefore, with regard to a broader list of individuals authorized to carry out the functions of the state there, etc., well, this is such a question, taking into account that there is no provision for expansion and there is no provision for the opening of borders for all citizens, then i would not support it, that is , if this draft law was even considered, and i would probably submit amendments to narrow this list, and this would not create conditions for non-return. on certain people to ukraine, they have armor there, for example, whether under this law the judges there, for example, will be able to to leave, not to swim a thousand miles, and to leave legally, and especially if conditionally, an official or a judge, as they say, has a pen and paper inscription, and he can leave in this way and not return, look, people leave here all the time in what ways, a large number of citizens, and at the same time a large number of reserved citizens, respectively, they

are looking for different schemes, i am always far from idealizing what is there, for example, bad judges, and a good, i don't know, employee in a small business, which he used to cut himself from a border guard and left peacefully, having paid a certain amount of money, that is, these are nationwide problems, certain risks at different levels, there are no simple answers here. and there are no simple answers, but the legislators should, by prescribing certain laws, understand how to solve these questions, so that there are no illegal bypasses? first of all, you cannot prescribe everything by law, there is already quite a lot of detail in the process of working out the law on mobilization , the postponement, conditions, etc., etc. institutions and institutions worked , including at primary levels. that is

, the institution of citizens, so that, conditionally speaking, a conditional citizen gave a bribe at the end, and a conditional border guard did not take it, and the clarity of the prescribed laws also plays a role, because you mentioned the citizens of ukraine abroad, and many months went into that , so that people can understand in general, that changes are made, how to update the data, whether it is necessary to go to ukraine for this, now let's talk about reservations, unfortunately we don't have enough live, live broadcast, that's why bill 11460, there is a proposal, you already mentioned it. release to the reserve military personnel who have served 36 months, and at least 18 of those months were in direct combat. please tell us whether, in your opinion, it will really be possible to make this decision, because we understand, we heard it, that there was no demobilization, it was excluded from the changes to mobilization, and, that is, obviously they do not know how to solve this issue, do you believe that the parliament can support this norm and such how will it be possible to push this idea? well, i didn't have a disability. the right not to support

this norm, since she was the initiator of discussions about 36 months and about specific terms of service from this point of view, not 18, not 24, but 36 and she considered them realistic, it happened, only at the last moment this norm was shot down , the question is that it is currently unrealistic, because, as i mentioned, one of the key reasons is that the general staff of the ministry of defense is simply not able to work out and about... calculate, make a plan for how we can we change citizens like this, these are our internal, problematic issues, and there are great objective reasons that the russians are constantly intensifying offensive actions, and we are holding on, well , to the limits of our capabilities, we need everyone in the armed forces, i raise both the first and the second facet of what is happening, because with effective... in management, we

could get certain, so to speak , promising answers, but we have to remember that the main reason is the attack of the enemy, and i will also note, regarding this bill, i don't think he has though any prospects of even reaching the first reading, this is more of a draft law, a statement of a certain political faction, but nevertheless valid, as i have already noted, due to the fact that i have chosen certain norms before and... i like them, although, at least partly, accordingly, i joined the initiative. thank you, mrs. marjana, i understand that you do not really believe in the adoption of these changes, but they will be considered in the committee, look, the draft statement, as you said, and you also did not know what the functions of the people's deputies trolling is also included, but it turns out the same. maryana, thank you for joining, but in today's world, perhaps, in social networks i also agree, regarding legislative ones. initiatives, this is

probably a debatable issue. maryana bezugla, people's deputy of ukraine, deputy chairman of the committee on national security, defense and intelligence, was a guest of svoboda ranok. moby. bypassing the tsc, the general staff and people's deputies want to allow the commanders of military units to mobilize those who wish without the participation of the tsc. fedir venislavsky from the committee of of national security, defense and intelligence, in a comment to ukrinform, stated that the people's deputies are already working on a corresponding bill with the general staff and the ministry of defense. and according to venislavskyi, the document will be presented in a few days. as the general staff explained, mobilization without the tcc will simplify the mechanism of recruitment into the army. commanders will be able to recruit motivated fighters. and conscripts will be able to choose desired positions that correspond to their profession and skills. it will also avoid the risks of being mobilized to the unit to which they want to send you to tsc, despite the fact that you already have agreements and relations with another unit that you chose yourself of your own free will. the idea has already

been supported by some military personnel, in particular in the third assault brigade of the armed forces of ukraine, who called this initiative successful and correct. at the same time, other military personnel, for example, valery prozapas, major of the armed forces of the 36th separate brigade. of the marine corps says that enlistment in a military unit can put an additional burden on the relevant services, and the tsk was for this purpose created dmytro kozhubenko, an officer of the planning section of the rubizh brigade, a major of the ngu, joins our broadcast. congratulations, dmitry, thank you for joining. the topic is important and viewers are commenting a lot, today we just talked about the work of the tsc, you know, i think there are a lot of negative reviews in social networks, and in practice people who are mobilizing, but what about now? to such changes, to such an initiative, as now, in fact, by law, to get into a specific unit, when the mobilized person chose, the conscript chose this part, was there a certain selection, or is one attitude still enough, which is guaranteed to be done in order to get

where you wanted to go and where they are waiting for you? good day studio, good day, dear viewers, so at the moment we have two options: conscription of military personnel for military service, conscripts for military service. the first option is conscripts under the age of 25. given the military, given people have the right to choose a military unit, to come to a military unit without any problems to get into the unit in which they want to serve. here, conscripted citizens of ukraine who already have from 25 years of age and older, but they only go through the tsk, and this is a very big problem, because, for example, a person approached us, well, yes, he did not immediately make the decision to go to war there, he may have worked there somewhere, maybe he

was afraid, and then he saw that there were units in which he wanted to serve, where he saw himself, well, in general, he made a gross decision and decided to go to serve, he joins the army. part and says: i want to serve with you, they see that he is already, he has already crossed, well, he has already passed the threshold of up to 25 years of age, and therefore they give him a letter of application from the military unit where he wants to serve, and with this letter he goes to the shopping center, the tsk sends him further there to the vlk and after that already sends him to the training center, where he undergoes training, initial basic military training, but here the whole... news does not end yet, because these people who came for summonses to the military commissariat, here they are after the training centers can be distributed, even if a person came with a letter, an appeal from a military unit, they can

be distributed to military units of the armed forces of ukraine, mainly because the armed forces, they are a priority for recruitment, they can, for example , if they go to the national guard, then they can be called to be taken into the armed forces, because there is a priority in terms of recruitment, and this is a very big problem, because, for example, here we are the border offensive guard brigade, we selected there is a certain number of candidates who want to serve in us, but they are already there 27, 28, 30, no matter how old they are, they have already arrived, the threshold is up to 25 years, and they are subject to mobilization, not to... an unsuccessful transition to military service, so it turns out that we can lose these people as our candidates. dmytro, that is, this initiative, it will now help the military units to specifically pick up people and mobilize people to themselves. do you approve of this?

of course, this is a very good idea, because we will be given the opportunity not to worry about what our recruit will be sent to some another brigade, we will be sure that a recruit has come to us, we have made him the appropriate documents, which will be installed there by this commission that developed these amendments, that is. he comes to the tsk with our document, the tsk looks at everything, this guy is picked up by the rubizh guard brigade, and he is already going either to our training centers, or to where he will be assigned, but the most important thing is that this person after the basic combined military training falls into our brigade, and your brigade i am sure that you can expect that such and such a number of people will be there in a month or a half , you already have it there, yes, it is more convenient, but dmitry, are there not certain difficulties here, because it organizes the process when the tsc is there... vlk, there there are probably more opportunities for exercises, i.e. here already specific brigades,

military units, will they face the fact that some additional resource is needed for the organization of this process, where you see problematic moments that need to be prepared, problematic moments , it is possible, except that understanding how to do it correctly, well, because in each part there are certain services that... which are responsible for mobilization, and therefore it should not be a problem for them, it is their, their functional duties to deal with the mobilization reserve, and that is why in this regard i have problems i don't see, the only thing is that there may be some inconsistencies, misunderstandings in terms of the organization itself and the processing of documents, but this is the only problem, it is the processing of documents, all this is what... we have now, uh, that is, it is for this is then necessary, what to do in specific brigades,

military units to make separate departments that will deal with this? no, i already said that all brigades already have them, but then what problems can arise with these documents? the only thing is that maybe someone will read it wrong in some part, or there in tsc they will misunderstand the interpretation of this provision of the law. about mobilization, well, it is precisely this provision that is currently being developed, and someone will not misunderstand something, in general, if all this is done, this document will be drawn up correctly, it will be legally competent, everything will be laid out there step by step, what is done in order for a person to get into the military unit, then there should be no problems at all, but with the vlk, and with the vlk, well , because you can learn the documents, study the law there, learn all these norms, and what about the vlk, for example , how could it work in this? in such a case, if such an initiative is really supported, and the vlk, well, there are

two solutions here, either the vlk passes centrally from the tcksp, or it can be passed from the referral by the military unit, or rather from the referral from the military unit. uhu, and as for training, there is, you mentioned about the fact that there are training grounds there, whether there will be any problems, whether all military units, or all brigades have the opportunity to train independently. mobilized, well , i won’t say for all the brigades, i can say with confidence for the front line brigade of the offensive guard that if recruits will come to us without having to train them in centralized military educational institutions, well, i mean in training grounds, where they will conduct a general military training base, we are able to organize teams on our own in order to to... conduct basic military training at their training grounds, regarding,

for example, the logistics of taking certain people away, bringing a person to the same training, then to the place where the unit is located, there may be some difficulties here, or the same military units and teams already have a certain basis for this? well, i don't see a problem in gathering a team of 50-60 people there, even 100 people, if they will also... use transport for the transportation of personnel. there is transport in each subdivision, in each part, all the brigades are now provided, i think, well, i am speaking for the guard, that is, for the national guard, but i know for sure that in the national guard of ukraine all brigades are provided with shift cars for the transportation of a large number of personnel, and there will be no problem with this . dmytro, and finally, from your experience, do conscripts trust more? military units to specific brigades than to the tcc, i.e. will it be possible to improve certain rates of mobilization, or

will people report more actively and sign mobiles contracts and join the army, to tell you honestly, yes, it is desirable to be honest, everyone who trusted has been fighting for a long time, and those who are evading now are evading, but why are there those people who updated their data according to the new legislation and also precisely choose where they should join the army in a specific brigade, that's it now. how many years has the war been going on? my war started in 2014, and the full-scale war for the country started in the 22nd year, and now we are already at the end of the 24th year, and you want to say that people sat for 2.5 years and chose which one they brigade to go defend their country? i heard you, dmytro, unfortunately, i understood your position, thank you for being frank, dmytro kozhubenko, officer of the planning section of the rubizh brigade, major of ngu was a guest of svoboda ranok. thank you to all our viewers for being with us, for supporting us, my

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recruiting center in lviv. what tasks, what goals do you set for yourself? yes, we are planning to open the recruiting center of the 38th separate brigade, yes, the marines, in the coming days, maybe weeks, sorry, er, well, the tasks are very simple, to find those who want to, to convince, to incite people to go and serve in our brigade, which? er, if, who do you need, what are the immediate needs of the brigade, who is needed most of all, we know, yes, that drone operators are very popular among civilians, but we understand that the naval infantry is a slightly different format, who do you need, well, in fact, a brigade is a huge organism, it is several thousand people,

er, and these several thousand people, they work , as it were, for one purpose, this is a battle, this is a war, yes, but ... let's say there is one person who fights in order , several people work for one attack aircraft, who provide it, it's clothes, it's fuel, it's weapons, it's medicine, so we're looking for almost everyone, we're looking for drivers, we're looking repairmen of machinery, various machinery, automobile artillery, we are looking for tankers, we we are looking for anti-aircraft gunners, of course we are looking for... uav operators, we are looking for those who know how to solder, those who know how to program, that is , there are actually needs, well... probably not all of them, including civilian professions, well that not only in us, it's any unit, any brigade has the same needs, and women, what use can be in your

brigade? women? er, well, we have women serving, we have women serving both in combat units and in support units, that is, everything really depends on motivation, on some certain training, of course, from the physical condition, because... this is the marines, after all, but we, we, we are happy with everything, uh, since the 38th brigade is relatively new, yes, it began to be formed last year, yes, this is a brigade that grew out of the 503rd separate battalion of marines, the one that was in azov, please, yes, it was mariupol, yes, yes, the commander was also the founder of the battalion, vadym sukharevskyi, well-known. yes, officer, uh, we were formed somewhere around the beginning of the 23rd year, huh, well, and accordingly, somewhere in june of the 23rd, we joined

into battle, the marines are elite troops, er, how can you, how do you actually convince people to join voluntarily now in the third year of the war, for example, in lviv? and to the ranks of assault brigades, where there is a high probability of being injured or killed? well, again, i repeat, not everyone becomes stormtroopers, yes, well, but stormtroopers are needed, but yes, of course, first of all, well , there is no point in recruiting 10 servicemen, so who will serve if there is no one bring up these cartridges or fill up the fuel, well, listen, everyone will fight. not even so, everyone, absolutely everyone, will serve in the army, the question is in which army, in the russian or ukrainian, defending themselves, their land or storming there,

i don’t know, the carpathians, and then prague, budapest or bratislava, with vienna, well, vienna may not, yes, because the goal of russia, first of all russia, is to destroy us, and then move on, at least there is the warsaw pact, so there is nothing so secret... or mysterious, they have been saying this for a long time, they need the restoration of the soviet union with influence on countries of the warsaw pact, so if the choice was very simple, either you serve in the ukrainian army or you go to meat in the russian army, uh, as for the sea, but we are the elite, uh, we, we are loved, we are admired, it's romantic enough to wear a beret, which right to wear which... has to be earned, we can't just put on a beret and wear it, we have to earn it, there must be an order from the brigade commander for the right to wear it, but we

are fighting, like everyone from the ssu , we are paid a little more, this is probably also some motive to to go and serve in the marine corps with us, ugh, and who is she, if possible, what is the portrait of your brother, who is this person? how old is she, are they mostly young people, or are they middle-aged people, who joins you, representatives of what professions in pre-war life? it is difficult to say about the portrait, well , again, depending on the unit, yes, if it is a stormtrooper, then it is a young person, physically well developed, well motivated, a good, high-quality killer. russian, yes, if it is a driver of a passenger bus, then it is mostly this is already a little old grandfather, who used to ride a minibus all his life, maybe

even in lviv, if he is a beplaa operator, then he is a classic aitishnik type, a nerd with glasses, who soldered something somewhere at night, left in the morning, killed several dozen russians. and returned to himself in his hole somewhere there and turned again into some classic nerd, whom somewhere there, if you pass by in lviv and you don't pay attention, and this is such a serious guy who destroys a bunch of russians, everything is different, i'll say it again , we have several thousands of people, we are all different, we absolutely do not have any common portrait, but it seems that everyone can find some application and business to their liking. why did i ask this, because there have already been many discussions about people of what age should be mobilized, and from what age should it be done?

the limit on the contract is up to 45, as far as i know, but here there is also a lower limit, this is purely your opinion about the fact that it makes sense for people up to the age of 25 to serve, maybe voluntarily, and maybe the legislation should be adjusted so that yes, there was such an opportunity, a difficult question, well , the best warriors are still ... well, a maximum of up to 30, but the truth is, after 35, well, there are a lot of sores, there are a lot of all kinds, that is, you will not rush to the assault, it is difficult for you, you your knees hurt there, your back, it's objective, yes, yes, i believe that young people should fight, well, it's not , it's not a discovery, it's probably always, if it's a total war, then we saw total wars

of the last century, there's always . 40 and further according to the scale simply according to the needs of the army, this is how it should be, in fact, unfortunately, we have to fight and youth, and there is no advice for it, and talk about the fact that young people will die, and they will not have children, offspring, and the nation will degenerate, if they do not go to war, there will be no nation, this nation will simply quickly kill everyone, on unfortunately, these are the realities, nevertheless, the deputies are currently preparing a legislative ban on mobilization. for younger than 25 years old, i actually see very often on the streets of lviv a lot of young people who are just a little crazy from excess testosterone and adrenaline, and i don't know, maybe they really could be good fighters, well, this is populism, this is absolutely naked populism and flirting with a conditional electorate, you know, those who prepare it in kyiv, they

just... probably do not understand that in a little while there will be no one to elect, they will not be, well, they run away, of course, some to russia, some to europe, but there will be no country, listen, in lviv, we are in lviv now, do you remember this song by the hadyukyns, we are the guys from banderstadt, and there are those who did not play until surma, and the drum didn't beat, but are there really more people in lviv... who are ready to fight, is this lviv famous, i don't know, exaggerated patriotism, there are signs of it, you didn't open up here by chance, well, i'm from lviv, that's why i'm here, yes, in fact, unfortunately, there is no lviv patriotism at the moment, you know, i spent a few days in the tsc and i see, i communicate with those...

who were caught on the street and brought, this is such a pitiful sight, in fact, these are our lviv residents, they are probably people from galician families who go to church in embroidered dresses on sundays, but this is really pitiful, no, no , those ended, i think the volunteers ended in the 22nd year, there somewhere maybe at the beginning of the 23rd, yes... which one, i was in the trenches on february 26, 22nd near verkhnyotoretsk, my friends and i, having already collected shoulder pads from the 14th year, yes, several people left, we had a contract a reservist with the 503rd battalion, and we went on the 25th, it seems, in the morning, i settled some matters there, i, as the director of the cultural park, had to go to the city council, bohdan maslyak, as the owner

of the restaurant, would have something... i am talking about the fact that this not ordinary people went, yes, but they went, the last wave that came to us in the form of volunteers, it was the end of exactly the 22nd year, when it was formed, when the battalion was taken away for resupply, at first, then we grew into a brigade, the end of the 22nd year, the last volunteers, maybe the beginning of the 23rd, and then in... and then the pit fell and there is no, and you have to grab people who went out there to drink coffee or buy cigarettes in their underpants, in some kind of flip-flops, and to lead them to the tcc, it's sad, it's scary, and it's pathetic, in fact, there is no advice, but in fact, it seems to me, it seems to me that everything not so bad, the latest polls, in particular, show that in lviv ba...