burned shops, smashed police cars in britain since last week , street protests continue. riots directed against migrants, riots fueled by misinformation on social networks, this is the first big challenge for the new british government and prime minister keir starmer, how to stop the violence? we are talking about this on the bbc broadcast live from london, i am yevgenia shytlovska. for a week in britain , there have been street riots in various cities, not only in england, but also in northern ireland, this is what happened in belfast on monday. the insurgents rushed in poly'. stones and bottles with incendiary

mixture near the supermarket, which was set on fire earlier. there were similar scenes of violence in plymouth. actually, on this map you can see where the riots took place, and these are different cities: liverpool, birmingham, london, and these disturbances were fueled by misinformation, far-right and anti-immigrant sentiments. crowds of people tried to vandalize migrant hostels, set fire to mosques, shops, and shouted insults at muslim emigrants. during the week through the valve. in britain , approximately 400 people were arrested, one hundred of them already charged. investigations are ongoing, dozens of policemen are injured. but how did this wave of violence begin in southport, a city in the north of england near liverpool and manchester, last monday. three children were killed there in a dance club. and immediately false information spread that the attacker was allegedly a muslim and a migrant. and the first anti-immigrant riots took place in this city. later. born in britain,

his parents came from rwanda, he is from a christian family, but this did not stop the unrest and the spread of misinformation in social networks we will talk about the role of social networks separately, but first let's look at what was happening in britain these days, and what is the government doing to stop it? after brutal violence the day before, police are scrupulously collecting evidence and fingerprints at the holiday inn express hotel, near rotherham, in order for detectives to bring... those responsible to justice. a week of riots and violence has led to the prime minister promising to create a 6,000-strong special forces unit this summer that could be deployed anywhere in england and olsu i promise that we will have the officers we need where we need them to deal with these disturbances, and that is why this standing army will include specialized officers who will. to

support communities. the riots began on tuesday, july 30, when rioters attacked a mosque in south porch, the site of a massacre that killed three girls the day before. a day later, the riots reached downing street in london, and then riots broke out in sunderland, where rioters set cars and police stations on fire. the next one in the afternoon, people attacked hotels with refugees in rotherham and tamford. we haven't seen this level of violence in probably more than 10 years. we are here to protect communities from violence. and when the head of the metropolitan police, sir mark rowley , pushed away a reporter's microphone in whitehall, it was clear that senior officers were under pressure. he later apologized for it. police are concerned that the violence may not stop. about four hundred people have already been arrested, and those who have already stood trial are in prison.

these are still before sentencing. the government hopes that such police action will reduce the number of people willing to take to the streets and riot. the number of arrests, including this one in sunderland, is increasing every day. police are scrutinizing footage of the riots and some suspects, such as the three who pleaded guilty to rioting in sunderland, are already in prison. the police and authorities hope that at some point this tension will die down, but this footage, when about a thousand members of the asian community in birmingham took to the streets in protest, is a response. they show that signs there is no attenuation of this tension yet. british prime minister keir starmer is convening the cobra meeting for the second time. this is a meeting of government officials and security forces, which is convened in emergency situations, as now. in fact, this is the worst violence in britain in recent years. we have already mentioned the sudokhki in belfast and there.

a 50-year-old man is in hospital and police are investigating the attack, but consider, for northern ireland, any street unrest is a reminder of the long, bloody past between the catholic and protestant communities. what bbc correspondents now saw what was happening there: what started as a protest turned into a powder keg, ready to explode at any moment. indignation grew into hatred, hatred spilled over into violence, the scenes of which are capable of shocking. the owner of this cafe closed the door tightly and barricaded it. i wanted one thing, to save my employees, and i also had clients at that time. i opened the service door and shouted: run away faster, everyone ran out, i held the door because i didn't want anyone to get hurt. damage here on eye from 15 to 20 thousand. if the losses here

are great, then for others they are simply terrible. nearby shops and cafes were set on fire on sunday night. nothing can be saved in this supermarket. ashes, nothing left, literally nothing, nothing, this store has been burned down for the third time, the workers say that the police have left them to their own devices, they only come, take our evidence and leave, they only give us false promises, if the police wanted to do something . it would not have allowed this from the beginning, across the street from here is a destroyed cafe, its owner is afraid for own life. when i was in my office, people came to the cafe and shouted: where is muhammad, they

broke all the windows on the first floor, it is very difficult for me now, because now they know my name. do they know your name? what do you think this means? it's scary because my life is in danger. the next night, the cafe burned to the ground. so now all the victims of violence are asking themselves, do they have a future here? and we have already seen how, during these riots, the yurba tried to break into the hotel where the asylum seekers were staying. especially on weekends happened in tamworth, england. one of the migrants told the correspondent. at the bbc, what did he have to go through? overnight in tamford, sparks of violence flare. on sunday night, a local hotel, where asylum seekers live, became the center of events. the crowd

attacked the policemen. even a fire extinguisher went into action, anything that could be used as a weapon. what they wanted to say by this became clear later, this video is provided exclusively by the bbc, filmed by a local resident. as evening fell , natov broke through, the asylum seekers did not were injured, the police ordered them to lock themselves in their rooms, but three policemen were injured. we managed to talk to one of those who were there. on this restless night inside the hotel, this is a 17 year old boy, kurt, he was separated from the family of a smuggler and brought to britain a month ago, he is talking to us on the phone, this conversation was arranged by a volunteer from a local charity, i was scared, i escaped

death from native land and found refuge, and now here, i thought i would die last night, everyone ran to the mountain, it's good that the police were here with us, he says that there were more than a hundred refugees in the hotel, early in the morning they were taken to other shelters on three buses. what would you say to people who oppose spending public money on hotels for refugees? i was forced to flee, i want to have a peaceful life, i am not here for money, i want to live, just live. what would you say to the police who tried to protect you? i will never forget their help until the day i die, the police helped us a lot. municipal services and local on monday morning residents cleaned up the consequences of the previous night's mess. it is very sad, very upsetting that it happened literally on my doorstep, where i live. i don't understand the mentality of some and i don't

understand the people who came to see it yesterday. i was surprised to see some families here that i know were just watching. everything damaged will be repaired. but it will take more time for the scars that this incident left on the city to disappear. british government officials are worried about how the calls to na'. and misinformation spreads quickly on social networks and they are even going to change the legislation, according to bbc viewer alysia mccarthy. it is obvious to what extent the government is concerned about the spread of false information or outright misinformation and how quickly rumors spread on the internet, as well as how information about planned protests, demonstrations and riots can spread on various social media platforms. this is exactly what the statement illustrated. "online crimes

will be judged in the same way as offline crimes. the government is really keen to get the word out to people, who organize these actions spread through social networks, that they will be punished and will feel the full force of the law. and we've already seen people arrested and charged for their online actions. and by the way, in britain there is a question: was there a russian trace in the spread of disinformation about the attacker in southport. some newspapers, such as the large- circulation dailymail and the telegraph, wrote about it. actually, a fake about the attacker was spread by such a site, such people are called scavengers. and it was the russian channel rt that referred to the message of this site. however, then rt corrected this information. here is what is known about it, what questions are being raised here. riots in britain. have been going on for a week after the killing of the children in southport, a killing that shocked the country. last

monday, an assailant with a knife came to a children's club where there was dancing to the music of taylor swift and killed these three girls, aged nine, seven and six. he injured eight other children and two adults. the suspect in the attack of a 17-year-old boy was detained and charged with three murders and ten attempted murders. murder. he will be tried in october. and how the city of southport recovers from such a tragedy was seen by bbc correspondents. in dark times, it has become a place of light, with the people of southport showing their support. and it means so much to the leanne lucas family. the woman was teaching a dance class that day and tried to protect the children. i think it's great, it's incredible to see. it makes me smile, seeing it every day makes me feel so much better. what would you say to people in southampton? thank you, thank you, to each of you,

thank you, it's so nice to see it, but with gratitude is the feeling of anger at the violence in the streets. i was disgusted, really disgusted, some of the people i even recognized, it's pathetic, you know some of those people, yes, i've seen pictures that... said to these people, just stop it, stop it, it's pathetic, leanne is recovering now, if she knew what was going on in the streets what do you think she would have said she would have been furious, furious jen and her daughter ellie also came to the scene as organizers of children's activities, they knew the victims of the attack, they are now trying to help, what we can brought things to make bracelets, we and the pyrogiler. i brought a small mat and everything

needed to make bracelets. we have to stick together, it will be the best. southport is stronger now than ever, it will bring us together and make us stronger. police say leanne will be released from the hospital soon, and her family is looking forward to that moment. we're waiting, can't wait to finally see her and tell her she's a hero. and today it became known that all ten injured in the attack in southport have already been discharged from the hospital, from this city began anti-migrant speeches and riots. the police and the british authorities are trying to prevent new outbreaks of violence. 400 people have already been arrested, one hundred of them have been charged. it is the worst street violence in britain for more than 10 years. read more about it on our website bbc.ua. i say goodbye

to you until tomorrow, see you. congratulations, friends, live on the tv channel. the second part of the program is the verdict, and in this program we will talk about the following. a large exchange of prisoners between russia and the west. prime geopolitical rivals demonstrate the ability to negotiate whether they can agree on an end to the war in ukraine. telegram ban. the parliament believes that the state has neither the opportunities nor the resources to regulate the work of social networks. can a more popular

information platform be closed in ukraine? informal parliamentary holidays. there is a month-long break in the meetings of the verkhovna rada, are the people's deputies trying to reach the promised consensus regarding the banning of the russian church. we will talk about all this in the next 45 minutes. i want to remind our tv viewers and viewers, that we work not only live on the tv channel, but also on our youtube and facebook platforms. for those who are currently watching us on these platforms, please subscribe to ours. page, and also take part in our survey, today we ask you about whether telegram is a source of information for you, you mean the platform, the telegram information platform, yes no, everything is quite simple on youtube, if you have your own opinion , please leave in the comments under this video, if you watch us on tv, take an expensive smartphone or phone and vote for numbers if

telegram is your source of information 0800 211 381 not 0800 211 382. all calls to these numbers are free. vote at the end of the program, we will sum up the results of this vote. i would like to introduce the guests of today's studio, this is victoria syumar, people's deputy of ukraine from european solidarity, member of the verkhovna rada committee on anti-corruption policy. mrs. victoria, i congratulate you. thank you for joining our broadcast. oleksandr mereshko, people's deputy of ukraine from the servant of the people, chairman of the committee on foreign policy and interparlia. of interparliamentary cooperation of the verkhovna rada of ukraine. mr. oleksandr, i congratulate you, thank you for joining the broadcast. thank you, good evening. and yaroslav yurchyshyn, people's deputy of ukraine from voice, chairman of the parliamentary committee on freedom of speech. mr. yaroslav, i congratulate you. thank you for being with us today. good evening. well, ladies and gentlemen, as much as we ask our viewers and tv viewers whether telegram is

a source of information for them, i will ask you too about whether telegram is for you. source of information, do you use telegram and is it for you, well, important, i would say so, ms. victoria, you know, i use it in order to probably better understand this phenomenon, to understand why telegram is so popular, and well, very i understand very well how convenient this messenger is, how fast it is, and how much, let's say , information is of most interest to ukrainians, in particular. has information about what is flying where, and where it has flown to, well , information that should be monitored in reality ukrainian security forces, ukrainian special services, and this very information is in the telegram today, and this very moment seems to me to be extremely disturbing and extremely problematic, because we will discuss it, ms. victoria, we will discuss it, please just

answer briefly in blitz format now, mr. oleksandr , so definitely i... i use i am subscribed to, for example, the new york times, the washington post, and by the way, the bbc as well, i think it's very convenient, and thanks to telegram i get information from foreign sources. thank you, mr. yaroslav, i am subscribed to the bbc, the new york times, and the washington post, cnn, and other whatsapp channels, i removed everything that was parallel from telegram. in more secure networks, as well as threat monitoring is now in whatsapp, i have a channel in telegram only so that a fake channel of my own is not created, so that some disinformation is not spread on my behalf, in fact,

the most logical, the most the logical... reaction of ukrainians to telegram is to view accounts from this network, which is totally controlled by the federal service security of russia. well, that means you have a verified channel, right? exactly. look, that's why we're actually asking about this, because nikita poturaev, your colleague, the head of the parliamentary committee on information policy, in an interview with rbc ukraine, called the government's use of the telegram platform for communication with society a mistake and spoke in favor of... regulating the activities of this platform, what he says: i see no other option than to lose not only the information war, the war in general, but to write a fairly simple bill, the essence of which will be that either the networks or platforms establish a dialogue with the ukrainian state, or the state simply closes them down, he says that these networks should

be turned off as it was with vkontakte, with vkontakte and classmates, mrs. victoria , you have the experience of closing these two vkontakte platforms and classmates, when you were the deputy secretary of the radvez of ukraine, you dealt with this issue, as far as i remember. and it was at that time that these two platforms were closed. why can't the same be done with telegram despite its popularity and despite the fact that we all use or monitor how they inform about shelling, or how shaheds fly in ukraine, or receive messages through this, through this information platform, it is not a messenger, an information platform. please. and it is possible, in fact, it is possible to do this, as it was actually done through such an instrument as the council of national security and defense, since it is

a russian messenger, there are no problems that would stand in the way of this, there are none, and what is said today nikita peturaev, he speaks, i would say, even a liberal opinion, he says that, well, okay, then let's at least establish a dialogue and allow us to work in ukraine, well, a verification one. telegram channels, let's at least see the ownership structure of each telegram channel, yes there should be at least some minimal transparency and minimal regulation, regulation is critical actually, you know facebook, it regulates a lot of content, youtube regulates a lot of content , and this is absolutely normal if you live in an informational world where there are fakes total, then it is impossible not to regulate, because you will simply suffocate, we live on information'. trash, forgive me, i just can't put it any other way, when anybody can produce any lie, and well, hundreds of thousands of people, or millions of people have

access to it, and you just can't even challenge it, because that information quite simply, you don't know who to report to, you don't know who is behind this telegram channel, this is an absolutely abnormal story, it says that the ukrainian state in general from... from of subjectivity in the information sphere, and moreover, the russian rules allow being a subject, because the rules of telegram, which allow everything, violence, pornography, any content, and at the same time allow anonymity, well, forgive me, we we will go very far with this approach, i understand very well why it is russia, and i absolutely do not understand why it is ukraine, well, as for russia, then... there is information that russian propaganda has created a network of 800 telegram channels, sorry, but yes, for this

reason, it distracts from telegram channels and off the air, panictory, but great, look, russian propaganda says, created a network, and a new newspaper writes about it in a network of 800 telegram channels for... spreading the influence of the kremlin abroad, but in this situation, mr. oleksandr, it is obvious those who are in favor of telegram, or who for whom this tool in the phone is convenient, everything comes very quickly, you communicate with relatives, loved ones, you see the whole picture or adjust this informational picture day and night, as you want, compared to what does do the united states of america, here they say: the united states of america closed the chinese tiktok there, and the russians are now closing youtube or restricting access to google, that is , where is the line between what is not contrary to

democracy and the line where there is national interest, and where is national security, and it must be protected? well, of course, it is necessary to solve this issue not only from a technical point of view. i, for example, do not know how it is possible to do it technically, but, by the way, there are already such precedents, you mentioned the list and i believe that it was done correctly, we need also, perhaps, and borrow this example, in relation to the telegram channel, it seems to me that here, especially during the war, this issue should be considered from the angle of national security, that is , it is not only about freedom of speech, about freedom of communication, but also, first of all, about the nation' . the committee has already had discussions

about relatively, of course, as far as we can speak social networks or networks of exchange of messages, at the same time, actually in the rear, we have the luxury, that is, we can choose convenient and safe, and unfortunately, the prevailing most ukrainians choose safe, why, because safe is not safe, but convenient. so now it is also used by the authorities, that is, in this case the authorities give such a symbol that please use it, yes, maybe we have questions, but they are not critical, and it sounds strange when you and i read a telegram about that danger in to the gur telegram or in the telegram there to the official telegram of the security service of ukraine, and when our special services find

a mechanism to block... the most active russian publics on the same day turn off the vast majority of bots that are built on the telegram network itself, which are used by our government structures, this is a very clear symbol that there is no compromise between security and actual convenience in war, if we want to be protected in war, we... need to choose what guarantees security, do we have examples when social networks contacted and opened a representative office in ukraine, opened a property system, implemented monitoring mechanisms, and there is an example of viber, we have it at the beginning full-scale invasion, this network was the most controversial from the point of view of the actual penetration of russian disinformation, now there are

questions about... regarding the security of the data that we transfer to this network, but the network opened a representative office in kyiv as quickly as possible and responds to our requests, there is youtube , there is a target, i.e. whatsapp, facebook, which are not so fast, but actually with certain questions from our side, yes, but they react, there is telegram. which is trying to work in this area and we have actually or response mechanism at the level official authorities, and it should be quite prompt, or so-called media literacy, when we just explain, and i thank the espresso channel itself for explaining to your listeners, to your viewers

that friends ... it is very important to understand telegram - this is a russian network, and therefore to transfer your own private data to it is to question the safety of everyone around you, and you in the first place, and why are we not ready to make such decisions as the nsdc once proposed and accepted, actually during the times when victoria syumar and i had the honor. to work in the council of national security and defense, and it seems to me that we very often try to live in the reality of a non-belligerent country, and the fact that we are periodically shelled, all cities, well, there are no cities in ukraine, maybe with the exception of uzhhorod, but still in transcarpathia region flew into the volovets region, no matter how attacked, and at the same time,...