in the third year of the great war, after all , the supreme commander-in-chief made a decision regarding ukrainian missiles, but these missile programs, they started during poroshenko's presidency, but were suspended in 2019, why do you think such decisions were made then, and if they are wrong, so who should be responsible for these mistakes? well, he should be responsible for that. the military-political leadership and the supreme commander personally, the fact is that during poroshenko's time, ukraine produced 600 missiles a year, 600 missiles, well, these are birds, these are aviation rockets, quite well-known (r27, in my opinion, r-10, such rockets), that is, the line was quite wide, and we have two... author bureaus that

were engaged in rocket construction, it is of course that the southern eee semi-demmash plant and there the design department bureau is appropriate, and it is , of course, the design bureau promin, or as it is used the term luch. so, i want to remind you that in the 19th year, uh, more precisely in the 20th year, purchases were completely stopped. and the state order for the luch prom enterprise, already on the 20th, in my opinion, thursday, december 4, 23rd , the bankruptcy of the enterprise was announced her beam and, in my opinion , criminal cases were opened against the chief designer korostalov at the same time. how does it correlate now with statements. i don’t know about zelenskyi,

but if zelenskyi is sincere, then all the criminal prosecution against korostelov should at least be stopped, and all those who organized the persecution of korostelov and the ban, and refused to place orders for ray products, all of them should be brought to criminal responsibility, i want remind that among these products. and the famous neptune rocket, and now, by the way, exactly korostelovych, with his designers , turned an anti-ship missile into a cruise missile for strikes on ground targets, and the last strikes, which took place, for example, in the kuban on objects and in the voronezh region, in my opinion in the kursk region, well , the enemy claimed that ukraine used neptune rockets, that is , obviously they... appear, because when

you analyze different publics, then, well, i counted more than 20 cases of neptune rockets being used. at least, maybe this is not confirmed by anything, but there were mentions in the media, i.e. it is obvious that some kind of depriving is taking place. i believe that the real inspiration for kb promin is the very deployment of production of neptune anti-ship missiles together with romania. romania agreed to cooperation. romania became interested in this type of weapon, which showed itself already, so to speak, not far from the territorial waters of romania, and they realized that this type of weapon suits them perfectly, and they are ready to cooperate in the production and equip their armed forces with that type of rocket. sir volodymyr, one more topic that will come up

relevant for the next six months, these are the presidential elections in the united states of america, on august 7 kamala harris should be officially nominated by the democratic party for the elections, she has already decided on a vice president who will fight with her for the presidency, and accordingly for the vice presidency , this is tim walsh, he is... 60 years old, he grew up in nebraska, served in the national guard for 24 years, and after the full-scale invasion began, tim walsh supported ukraine and publicly stated that he was ready to help ukrainian refugees. simultaneously candidate for vice president of the united states of america, jay devens, who is from trump , during a campaign event in pennsylvania , said that ukrainians do not have enough soldiers who can fight. and also repeated

trump's thesis that russia would never have invaded ukraine if he had been president. let's hear what vance had to say. if you want to. to bring peace to this region, you need a negotiator whom vladimir putin respects, is there anyone here? obviously, we're among a biased crowd right now, but does anyone here think that vladimir putin respects kamala garis? she she is afraid of all of you, and she will definitely not be able to sit down with vladimir putin and promote an acceptable peace. mr. volodymyr, there is no need to talk about who will sit down at the transition table. or donald trump and who will be more successful in negotiations with the president of russia, if these negotiations take place, but i am interested in the attitude of kamala garis and donald trump to volodymyr zelenskyi in this situation, because there was already

a scandal when volodymyr zelenskyi spoke with donald trump on the phone, then this phone conversation became the reason for to announce the impeachment procedure. trump for talking about providing aid to ukraine in exchange for an investigation into the burisma case involving biden's son, joseph biden hunter. zelensky also has a difficult relationship with kamala garis, according to simon shuster's publication in time magazine, because at the munich security conference in 2022, before the large-scale invasion, zelensky and... and garis had such a tense conversation, as simon writes, regarding or how ukraine should respond to threats of an attack by the russian federation? as far as in your opinion, these are personal,

some misunderstandings that zelensky once had with trump and garis can affect the relations between ukraine and the united states of america, well... after biden, none of the politicians will be a good grandfather or a good grandmother for zelensky, this the fact is obvious, the fact is that trump in general is so tickled by the mention of zelensky, he defeats himself at the same time, but he perfectly understands that zelensky is the one, well , the story with the impeachment, and he, well, trust ... zelenskyi and his entourage in trump definitely not, i want to remind you that at one time, giuliani, the former mayor of new york and trump's lawyer, came to kyiv and organized this criminal case against biden and poroshenko

through coma, then two people who are suspected of high treason, derkachi dubil, appeared . who released the tapes are falsified, now dubinsky, the nuclear reactor investigator , is running for office in the upper house of the federation council of the russian federation from astrakhan, and this burden lies on the zelenskyi administration, there is no trust in trump, especially in haris, kamala haris, she is special in what way, her whole life. connected with the prosecutor's office, she was the general prosecutor, and during the conversation with zelensky in munich, she spoke as a prosecutor and as a defender of her president, with the person who

organized the criminal prosecution of her president, that's what's special about it, because zelensky. .. organized the criminal prosecution of biden in ukraine, together with petro poroshenko, that is , they organized these fake tapes against the two, and the story did not end with these fake tapes, because neither dubinsky was convicted, which somehow got derkach released from the country, well, i remember other characters who also ... let's say, poisoned the relationship between ukraine and the usa, but now zelensky finds himself in a situation where he will have to to kamala to answer for all her actions, and she, she looks like a prosecutor at zelensky, like

a prosecutor at a criminal, that is, at the accused, or rather, well, you know, she looks not only at zelensky, but also at trump, because in trump . therefore, it is a very interesting situation here, because we have a vice president will obviously be the curator of ukraine, as biden svoch. for some time he was the curator of ukraine, and this is very good, because there is a danger of lowering relations, and then the curator of relations with ukraine can be the secretary of state, here we have, mr. volodymyr, we will monitor this, we must complete our program, we will continue in other programs about the elections in the united states of america, there is still a lot to come, there will be a lot of interesting things, thank you for the conversation, it was political expert volodymyr tsibulko, friends, throughout the broadcast we are conducting a survey, we are asking you about the following among good russians are useful for ukraine. let's look at the interim results of our

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we will talk about the following: the kurdish arc for putin: the war spilled over into the territory of the aggressor's country, what effect can we expect in russian society? good russians in the west, released during the opponents of the putin regime want to become the leader of the great exchange. new russia, are there any useful for our state? peace plans of ukraine: the second global peace summit will be held in the country of the so-called south, what will it be like and what concessions is zelenskyy willing to make? we'll be talking about all of this for the next 45 minutes, but before that, friends, to start our big conversation, i'll remind you that we're running a poll throughout our broadcast. we are asking you today whether there are good russians who are useful for ukraine.

yes, no, everything is quite simple on youtube, either yes or no, vote, if you have your own opinion, leave it. please comment under this video. if you watch us on tv, pick up your smartphone or phone and vote on the numbers 0,800 211 381, if you think that among the good russians are useful for ukraine, and if you don't think so, then 0800 211 382, ​​all calls to these numbers are free, vote at the end of the program, we will sum up the results of this vote. and today we have. on the air of the games reiterovych, political scientist, head of political and legal programs of the ukrainian center for social development. mr. igor, i congratulate you. congratulations. thank you for joining the broadcast and we are waiting for the inclusion of viktor boberenko, an expert of the bureau of policy analysis, from sumy, precisely from the city that is located on the border,

next to the kursk region. i hope that viktor boberenko will join us. broadcast and we will talk about, in particular, what is happening in neighboring kurshchyna and how it is reflected in the sumy region, in the sumy region, in particular in sumy, but before to actually start this big conversation, i would like you, mr. igor, to answer a question that we conduct among our viewers and tv viewers, we ask them about whether there are good russians who are useful for ukraine, how ... did you answer this question? no, well, there are certainly useful for ukraine who serve in voluntary formations, who are part of the armed forces of ukraine, with weapons in their hands, fighting against the putin regime and against russia as an aggressor country, therefore, of course, these people definitely fall under the definition of good russian in in the sense that they call a spade a spade and try to really change

the situation that arose in the first place in their country. others who are currently abroad, who call themselves the russian opposition, it seems to me that there are very, very many questions for them, and with each, well, with each minute, i would say yes, yes, with each day of these questions for them is becoming more and more because they had a lot of time to decide, to take the right position, but as we see, as they say in russia herbatov's grave will do, but to some extent this applies to those who claim the status of this alternative for putin and... to say frankly that it is such an alternative. well, you mean the three opposition politicians who were changed by putin into murderers and spies, they are volodymyr karamurza and lev yashin, and who else is pivavarov, andriy pivavarov, people who came out after the exchange and began to speak to the actual

audience, and almost did not remember events in ukraine, but said that they would... seek sanctions to lift sanctions on ordinary russians and what not it is necessary to identify putin with the russians, that there is putin, there are russians and there are sanctions that work against putin, what sanctions work against the russians, and these sanctions against the russians can be removed, what do you think, this is just an information technology that the russians are launching now for our western... partners, is it simply a misunderstanding of the situation that exists now in russia, in ukraine, and in general in the world, that these oppositionists have simply lost their sense of reality, and these slogans were not interesting there or, let's say, relevant five years ago, and now it is no longer relevant, well, it's just a loss and a loss

of understanding of this situation, because they really remained in the past, they think in such categories that... today absolutely do not work. i understand that these people had one objective objective reason: they were behind bars for a long enough time, and judging by their words, they usually had limited access to that information there, they only received it, as yashin said , yes, they received it only from the russians there pro-government tv channels that infused this propaganda, but in such a case, when you have already been released, you have been exchanged, maybe you should take a short break, figure it out. see what is happening, and then come out with some statements. the only thing that, well, i was very, very little, but pleased, but still , among this trio, one yashin had just enough. well, the strength, probably, the courage and intelligence the very next day to give a more detailed interview, in which he somewhat apologized, or refuted the words he said, he said that no, no, unequivocally

there must be a defeat for russia, russia must lose this war, the war is unjust and so on, he spoke a lot there and said that he was misunderstood, but let's see how it will be, because you know, while it seems that they if they had attracted some attention to themselves, now there will be a period when they will actively speak there somewhere... make some statements, and then, given that they do not have any real leverage, they will begin to be forgotten about, i am not even talking about russia, because unfortunately, they are there are in a very marginal position, and especially no one there pays attention to them, they will probably stop paying attention to them even in the west, they will take care of standard things, which, by the way, putin did not count on, that is, settling accounts within the russian opposition, determining who is the biggest oppositionist there, i would like to be wrong, of course, because they still have... the opportunity to come out now and say, we are forming some kind of committee to help ukraine, we are ready to come to ukraine, help, barely not there with weapons in their hands, but something tells me that they will take a completely different

position, and this position will be as far removed from the war as possible, for one simple reason, by the way, because when they talk about the beautiful russia of the future, well it it has already turned into a meme, they see themselves at the head of this russia, that is, they are not thinking so much as how to topple this government and really change the country. as much as just becoming a new government, agree, this is a serious enough difference that imposes on them, well, at least certain restrictions, and this leads to such statements that they did right after they were released on that exchange. thank you, mr. igor, and viktor boberenko, an expert of the bureau of policy analysis from sumy, has already joined us. mr. viktor, i congratulate you, thank you for joining our broadcast. good health to you. listen, things are unfolding there. i literally understand this scale of distances between sumy and suja and the border that begins, because i myself come from the sumy

district, and in principle, i have all these geographical names and how it all unfolds, i roughly imagine how as it is in fact, how is the situation in sumy oblast and in particular in sumy, i know that the russians are trying to use guided air... bombs to strike the sumy region, in particular sumy, and the air defense works very well, what is sumy oblast living in now when the war spilled over to the other side of the border, well, they shoot down, even their iskanders shoot down ours, which means that there are some technical systems here, that is, they pulled up, probably the general staff, well, i have absolutely no... information, but oh well , which is shot down by iskanders, which is already evidenced, yes, it is shot down high above it, because the flight of debris is scattered over

there, well, there are different fragments of one and the same rocket flying 3-5 km away, so at a high altitude, i understand that they were shot down , well, on the one hand, everyone is happy that ours came, according to my information, the sujja has already been taken, not only that, but the right bank of the sujja is also cut in half by the river, yes, they took not only the one that shines there, but the one that they took the same distribution station there where the pipe entered ukraine, yes, it is a distribution station there where the russian gas entered, and another station in uzhhorod, that is, well, that's how it is, yes, urengoy, uzhhorod, yes, it turned out , it turned out that way, that's what i... i said in the 22nd year that there would definitely be a war, but i was wrong in for one thing, i say, well, most likely they will not go to the sum, why, because

the pipe enters the court here, it makes a u-turn in terny, and there are also many of these substations there, so i thought well, they won't dance on the trumpet that brings them oil and gas dollars, right? but it is even more paradoxical that... the war was going on, the war is going on now, but no one touched the trumpet, everyone pretended that there the trumpet is one thing, there yes, everything else is another, here, but, meanwhile, well, it's hot here, it's hot and it will continue to be, but if we return to the conversation about the oppositionists, then they can just go, sit down, go to the suja, the interim government is doing here, here in the suja, it says that... "new russia, here she is, and then, then we would have paid attention to them, yes, there would be some kind of russian volunteer corps there, or the russian liberation army would do it, yes, by analogy,

from to say that this is our army, we will liberate russia there together with the armed forces of ukraine, it would be a detour, so i judge the yovelkas, while it is under the control of the armed forces of ukraine, well, this is suja, this is the eastern slobozhanschyna, just all these the villages that suja is there are ukrainian settlements, i was in suja, well before the orange revolution, but i was a student, i used to take philologists there... we went to practice and it was a grant, even they were there, well then there was a euroregion of yaroslavna, and the europeans gave money for the orks to do, well, do as for the people, let's talk with them, there were joint alliances and we researched, the project was called the study of ukrainian-russian emigration, then i assure you that suja is a ukrainian town, it is the hundredth town of the sumy, slobitsk

regiment. and even there, old people still speak ukrainian in exactly the same way as i do, in the same dialect, it is clear that the school there is full of ukrainian language, and their children are also taught to sing russia is our sacred state, and everyone there is sure that suja - it's a sacred russian land, but it's a ukrainian village, well, a town, let's say that, by the way, did you mention that it's ukrainian? techko should tell our tv viewers that as of 2005 there were 6,800 people there, that is, by the standards of the district center, i don’t know, probably even less than the district center, this is a large village by the standards of ukraine, but in 1897 people lived there 7,400 people, 61% of them said that their native

language is ukrainian, 61%. and 37% that russian, i.e. 2/3 of residents believed that the ukrainian language - it is native to them, but less so in this situation that we have now, and with the information that we are working with, mr. igor, there is information that is from the russians, that is, the ministry of defense of the russian federation, there is a statement by putin , there is a statement by gerasimov, there are no statements from the ukrainian side, and obviously there are some reasons for this, that... ukraine does not declare that they are going deep into russia, and already 10-15 km deep, there are 10 settlements and 11- and, as i understand it, this is sudja. in your opinion, what does ukraine gain by moving the war to the enemy's territory, maybe it will be not long, maybe it will be fragmentary, maybe on the contrary it will be possible to reach kurchatov.

seize the kursk as, and then, as putin said, already agree on the situation that has developed on the ground, he likes to say that, so the situation that has developed on the ground, on the kursk, which is now evidenced, by the way, if you look even at map, that is the territory that is controlled now, well, let's say that by the ukrainian troops, although you correctly noted that there is no official confirmation , and we generally have... comments, even the evening addresses of the president, well, it is very correct, by the way , it was done, he said that ukrainian soldiers defend the country using various tools, means and all possible mechanisms, that is, in this context, even this territory is behind the last events look very, very, you know, so serious, because there are tens of square kilometers, if not

hundreds, if you look specifically at... therefore , i think that ukraine receives, first of all, to some extent, apparently, a distraction from other parts of the front, that is, the russians need to make certain decisions and transfer certain forces, and this was very clearly visible during today's meeting of the so-called russian radbez, by the way, i will not be surprised that if after all this history, when it possibly ends there, we don't know, but this person who is on the screen now, he will eventually fly from his position, i mean gerasimov, because somehow today... it looked like they would look for extremes and the extreme will be the one who about just overslept, so very, so very successful entering the territory of the russian federation itself. the second point is definitely an informational point, because everybody is talking about it now, and you pay attention, what was the reaction of the european commission, what was the reaction of the united states? the russians, on the other hand, began to complain that it was necessary for the state debt office and the united states to immediately stop this, they did not give ukraine permission for this, which was a statement that

the ukrainians... abide by the commitments they made regarding: