current rains and thunderstorms, well, in kyiv, in the capital, tomorrow the air temperature is expected to be 25-27°, dry, sunny, almost perfect, i would say, summer weather, and for the time being, such weather will hold in ukraine over the weekend, about the coming heat, which i 've been scaring all ukrainian citizens here for several days, i won't talk about today, because the forecast is absolutely mind-boggling, it changes every day, so you need to rest for at least a day or two, for sure. and for now we are enjoying such classic summer weather and, of course, as always keep an eye out for updated weather forecasts on the espresso channel. thank you natalsa didenko, thank you for being with us, stay tuned to the espresso tv channel, i'll see you tomorrow until 18:10, well, literally in a few moments the verdict program with serhiy rudenko, let's watch together. good evening, we

are from ukraine! today in the verdict program with serhii rudenko. kursk offensive operation. active hostilities on russian territory continue with the complete silence of the general staff of the armed forces and with the consent of the allies. how much it will strengthen the bargaining power positions of ukraine. strategic impact of long-range weapons. zelenskyi claims leadership in the production of drones and the revival of the ukrainian missile program. is ukraine capable of becoming a leading provider of security for other states? kaleidoscope - peaceful plans. shoigu complains that ukraine ignores putin's proposals. about surrender, and

zelensky insists that he cannot give up the territory without the consent of the people. which version of the agreement will the united states support? glory to ukraine, this is the verdict program. my name is serhiy rudenko, i congratulate everyone and wish everyone good health during the next hour , we will talk about ukraine, about the world, about the war and about... our victory, we will talk about the big raid on the kurshchyna of the defense forces of ukraine and about what is actually happening in the region adjacent to ukraine, how the troops are advancing on the territory of the russian state , how the world is reacting to it, and of course, we will remember the f-16 and how the ukrainian sky is turning into a safe sky thanks to. a western fighter.

however, before starting our big conversation, in which the general will take part serhii krivonos, as well as valery romanenko, aviation expert and director of the institute of world politics, viktor shlinchak, suggest watching a video of how about 50 russian soldiers surrendered to ukrainian forces on only one section of the kurdish front. the video was released by the soldiers of the nakhtigal battalion in the formation. of the 14th regiment of unmanned systems forces, which operated together with the 80th separate airborne assault brigade, watch this enchanting video.

slava armed. forces of ukraine and death to the russian occupiers. friends, we work in live on the espresso tv channel, as well as on our youtube and facebook platforms. for those who are currently watching us live on these platforms, please subscribe to our pages, like this video, and take our survey. today we ask you about the following: do you follow the events in kurshchyna? yes, no, everything is quite simple on youtube, if you have separate opinions about the fact that from... in

the region neighboring ukraine to in the kursk region, please write in the comments under this video, if you're watching us on tv, pick up your smartphone or phone and vote. on 0800-211-381 if you are tracking this situation, no 0800-211-382. all calls to these numbers are free, vote, at the end of the program we will sum up the results of this vote. i would like to introduce today 's first guest, serhiy krivonos, reserve major general, first deputy commander of the sssu in 2016-19, ex-deputy secretary of the rn. mr. general, i welcome you, thank you for being with us today. good evening, glory to ukraine. glory to heroes. first of all, mr. general, let's talk about what is happening in kursk oblast, because, well, all the information that comes to consumers of information in ukraine, it

comes either from the western media, which links to russian propaganda channels, or z-channels a lot is being written about it, so far there is no confirmation of official information. there is no information from the general staff of the armed forces of ukraine, but it is clear that the military entered the territory of russia from the side of ukraine, the military is advancing deep into the kurdish region, analysts of the institute for the study of the united states war the states of america say that they went to a depth of 10 km, later there was already information about a depth of 25 km, that is, this map is gradually-gradually. is expanding, you can say, what is the idea of ​​this special operation, i.e. what goal is ukraine pursuing, advancing deep into russia? well, the idea of ​​the operation

is probably known only by zelensky and his entourage, what they were planning there, of course, it is still a secret, and maybe we will never even know this truth, but in the meantime... effective and good actions units of the armed forces of ukraine gave their results, i i am grateful to everyone, those who are currently there and are moving forward step by step, this is quite a powerful blow to the peritoneum of the russian federation, they did not expect such a powerful offensive, they slept through it, let's say, and that is good enough for us. to say that all the reserves from donbas will be transferred to kurshchyna, it is not at the moment, it will be, is not true, because they still have enough reserves, they will transfer part of the forces from there, but in the meantime offensive actions in donbas have not stopped, so we understand , that

so far the russians, although there is a stupid understanding, but there is no panic yet. in today's evening video address, president zelenskyi did not... speak directly about the events in kursk oblast, but transparently hinted at them, let's listen to what the president of ukraine said. ukrainians know how to achieve their goals, and we did not choose to achieve goals in the war. russia brought war to our land and must feel what it has done. we strive to achieve our goals as quickly as possible in peacetime under the conditions. a just peace, and it will be, mr. general, does the current situation in the kursk region mean that neither putin, nor the military leadership of russia did not even guess that such a special operation could

happen, and the most important thing is that they are not ready for the fact that ukrainian troops will advance deep into the russian federation, since, judging by the videos that... contain the same, propaganda channels, the armed forces, the further they go into the russian federation, and this is very reminiscent of prigozhyn's campaign last year, when they went to moscow, walked several hundred kilometers there and no one could resist them, well, let's give in a little. optimism that concerns there is no resistance, there is resistance, if there was no resistance, then probably we would have taken the course and reached the kursk nuclear power plant, meanwhile, the resistance is serious, and the most important thing is that they will allow us to enter, as far as we can go, there is a problem

of getting a result, so far everything depends on us. for certain mistakes, but in the meantime, success, this success is not only territorial, this is success, it is very good, and... and just task number, we have a very bad connection, now we will pre-dial, mr. general, we will now redial you , excuse me, please, we, we practically can't hear you, now we will redial, now we will restore contact with general serhiy kryvonos, meanwhile , the spokesman of the united states state department, matthew miller, said that the united states had not received any warnings from ukraine about any operations in the kursk region. russia, let's listen to what matthew miller said. ukraine does not inform us about its

exact tactics before its implementation. there is nothing unusual in this. this is the war they are waging. we give them tools and advice , but when it comes to day-to-day tactics, when it comes to daily hits, sometimes we communicate with them, sometimes we don't. and it is appropriate for them to make appropriate decisions themselves. it was mathew miller, and we have general serhii kryvonos in touch again. mr. general, now turn on mr. general. well, the spokesman of the european commission peter stano, commenting on the events in the kursk region, said that ukraine, according to international law, has a legal right to defend itself, including striking the aggressor on its territory. at the same time, diplomat and politician valery chaley says about... about that according to article 51 of the un charter, ukraine

has an inalienable right to individual or collective self-defense in the event of an armed attack on it, and the very armed aggression of the russian federation is not the only reason to respond on the territory of the russian federation . we have general serhiy kryvonos in touch again. mr. general, give me the connection. not stable, please, it doesn't depend on us or them here, physics is hard to fool, probably that's why the connection doesn't depend on our desire to hear well alone or not to hear well, continuing, the situation, which is on the market, this is a very positive success for us, and the most important thing is that we do not raise our nose too high, because it is not a problem. i emphasize once again, it is not a problem to get there, it is not a problem to go in, the problem is to hold back, to keep your

results, and first of all to ask the question of what we want from how deep we want to go, so that, as you said, the hike was similar to the influence of prigozhin, although it would not be very possible and a good comparison, but in the meantime, the number one task is to show the whole world and, first of all, the peaceful population of the russian federation, which... the current russian government is not that strong, and there are weaknesses that the ukrainian armed forces can use in favor of our victory. mr. general, at the same time , mandatory evacuation is currently being carried out in the sumy region bordering kursk, 23 settlements, and about 600 people, including 425 children. here the question is quite simple, i.e. if and whether russia can

accumulate the appropriate potential in order to push the ukrainians back to the border with ukraine, and accordingly, what actions can russia take in the event of an approach to the border with ukraine, to the border with the sumy region? what saves us in this situation is that the length of the russian-ukrainian borders is considerable. and it is too difficult for the russians to cover all areas, after our previous raids on the territory of russia, they kept from seven to 15 thousand troops in each border region, currently this figure may increase a little, plus they still have internal reserves and plus reserves somewhere on average up to 15-17 regiments in the zone of conduct hostilities on the territory of occupied ukraine. therefore, the number one task for us is to draw them on ourselves as much as possible, whether we can

get some time, and for the russians , the situation is quite difficult now, because if we tried in the kursk region, we can try, god forbid, in other regions as well, and it is critical there are more than enough dangerous objects on the territory of russia in the border syumuz, more than enough, and they understand that they will not be able to cover with one palm... cover all places with the palm of their hands, therefore the number one task is to shake situation and build success. mr. general, the head of the main intelligence department of the ministry of defense, lobdanov stated that there is a possible decline in the offensive operations and actions of the russian troops in the coming months, i will quote mr. budanov, which sounded in an interview with forces of ukraine. in one and a half to two months, the main thrust should be completed, because the offensive has already dragged on. the practice of the ten-year war shows that

neither side can use its offensive potential for more than two months, but we know that after... a recession and a small lull there will be new attempts by the enemy to advance and we are preparing for it, do you agree with mr. budanov's predictions, how do you assess them? well , look, the russians will use our powerful raid on the territory of the kurt region for their own benefit, and just as it happens, you can serve it as a sauce, like there, you know, the second national war, which concerns the salvation of russia, so that's enough in russia. there are a few unmoved patriots who are ready to go and liberate their native land, the non- russian-speaking population of the territory of ukraine is fed up, here to liberate their native land, therefore, unfortunately, they still have the resources, but we can greatly limit the resources related to the provision of human resources, in parallel with these offensives, we still need

to increase the strikes on the enterprises of the oil and gas industry complex, on enterprises that produce products of military importance, due to the number of drones, primarily aerial ones, which we already produce in sufficient quantity, and the task is still to strike in two directions: to destroy at the front and to destroy deeply in the rear. mr. generals, the day before yesterday, the supreme court of the commander-in-chief of the armed forces of ukraine considered the issue of financing missile programs, ukraine's own missile programs. zelensky said that do not worry. there will be ukrainian missiles, there will be enough of them, obviously, in order to attack military facilities on the territory of the russian federation and destroy them, in your opinion, that is why this decision, regarding funding or increasing funding, came only after 2.5 years of the great war ? do you really believe what

was said, that you wrote to zelensky, this is after two blows were delivered to to one of the most powerful enterprises for the production of missile weapons, well, fairy tales are a good thing, but i do not believe in fairy tales, because i understand that behind any fairy tales there must be three things: time, money and people, i am not talking about equipment , which must be provided to people, so we'll see, they don't know where we'll get it from, when at the moment the problem, which still hasn't been solved, the first is when in december of last year they merged under... everyone who produced, worked, cooperated together with the design bureau beam, and already directly this year powerful blows on certain enterprises, about which those who know, know, therefore there are no fairy tales, you cannot make rockets with your fingers, if people are not provided with normal premises, normal tasks and normal tasks,

according to the mobilization plan, which has not even begun to be developed at all, so where will such a number of rockets come from. if those who make rockets are having some difficulties so far. thank you, mr. general, for the conversation, it was general serhiy krivanos. friends, thank you for watching us and i remind you that we work live on the tv channel, as well as on our youtube and facebook platforms. for those who are currently watching us on these platforms, please subscribe to our pages and also take part in our survey. today we ask you about this, do you follow... we are in kurshchyna, yes, no, everything is quite simple on youtube, either yes or no, if you have a separate opinion, please leave it in the comments below this video , comment, it is important for us to know your opinion, if you watch us on tv, pick up your smart phone or phone and vote the numbers if you are following the kurshchyna, 08021 381 not 08021382,

all calls to these numbers are free, vote at the end. in the program, we will summarize the results of this vote. next, we will be in touch with valery romanenko, aviation expert, leading researcher of the state aviation museum. mr. valery, i congratulate you, thank you for being with us today. yes, thank you for the invitation. good evening. well, actually, we have been with you for so long for the past six months, they have been talking about f-16s, which are about to arrive in ukraine. the first f-16 aircraft are in ukraine, they are in the sky in ukraine. how is the situation in the ukrainian sky changing and is it changing with the appearance of even a few f-16 aircraft? well , so far it does not change much, because nothing is known about the use of these aircraft, and it is not known what characteristics they will show in general, and in air battles with

the russians, so far we see that all blows are reflected, well, completely all the shaheds launched by the russians are destroyed, but it is safe to say that at the same time f-16 is being used, so far it is difficult, at the same time, a lot of questions arise with the appearance of f-16 in ukraine, these are maintenance of these planes, safety issues, questions of those pilots who train for these planes, according to your calculations, how many planes are needed for ukraine , in order to perform all the necessary tasks, well, that is to say, regarding ensuring security in ukraine and shooting down. missiles and shaheds, as well as the use of these aircraft in the front-line zone? well, these are separate issues, you know?

in order to ensure the task of air defense in ukraine, i think that approximately, well, three squadrons would be enough to cover the entire territory of ukraine, in terms of destroying cruise missiles and shaheds, if we want to be more or less on an equal footing... conduct air battles with the russians, destroy carriers, russian carriers of cruise missiles , so that, first of all , it is necessary to check to what extent the capabilities of the received f-16s meet these requirements, whether they are capable of repelling, or, let's say, whether their on-board defense systems are capable of diverting russian aircraft from the sides of the aircraft. anti-aircraft missiles and whether the planes themselves are capable of the appropriate ones detect the russians at a distance and get them with their missiles, i.e. their

weapons capabilities and their equipment capabilities, if we are sure, we are sure that these planes are at least equally capable of fighting russian planes, well then we need to increase the number of brigades, well at least just as we had before... before the war, we had seven tactical aviation brigades, a brigade with a total of two to three squadrons, a squadron of 12 aircraft, we multiply accordingly, we get the necessary number of aircraft, if the russians, let's say, transfer from the whole russian territory here are fighters, well, let’s say that they have, well, if you count somewhere 140 su-35x somewhere... it’s around 120 su-30-khm, ah, there is still a sufficient number of larger old su-27p fighters, modernized and not less than

a hundred mig-31s, then in general it turns out that we will need to continue to build up our aviation, and, in addition, to negotiate with allies, allies on obtaining more long-range missiles, because once again i want to remind you that a... russian su- fighters 35, su-30 sm2 and mig-31 have missiles with a range of up to 300 km. by the way, about about missiles, mr. valery, because on august 6 , a meeting of the supreme commander-in-chief of the armed forces of ukraine took place, and zelenskyi, after the conclusion of the meeting , announced the restoration of all missile programs in the country, and according to your... knowledge and feelings, how much will the ukrainians need in order to to create a sufficient number of missiles of our own production that could

fly towards the territory of the russian federation and provide all our needs for the destruction of the aggressor on its territory. in what perspective can it be? well, in general, we have such, you know, more or less serious developments were being carried out. up to 60-70% of project work on three programs, and sapsan, the export version was called grim-2, ah, so it means a missile based on the neptune anti-ship missile, a land-based version, and the korshun-2 system based on the old soviet h-55 missile , but with a new engine with new equipment, all these programs, well, they were not funded before the start of the war, so now everything depends on the level of funding and on the level of help from the allies, if we

need to supply these missiles. components, because we are not capable of producing everything, you see, our military industry has fallen to such a low level, yes, that no highly complex systems, we will not be able to design ourselves, even to design, not what to produce, we will be able to develop tactical and technical requirements to the systems themselves, to individual systems, to the systems themselves as a whole and to their individual components, but so far, well, we have had, let's say, some such developments, but serial production is weak, weak, weak, weak point, let's say so , because all our high-tech military enterprises are under russian strikes, so predicting something depends on how this production will be organized, if we follow the path of our drone developers, who

produce complex drones on the territory of neighboring countries, yes, then this will significantly speed up the process, and if, accordingly, the western , well, the concerns will give us some components for these missiles, because in general we have the engine, well, we will make the hulls, so the system will lead to guidance at the final stage, and we also have good ones the development of this plan, but ... a system similar to terkom, so that navigation takes place, accurate navigation, highly accurate navigation, takes place with help without the help of gps, this is our weak point, in my opinion, i don't want anything like that either to say clearly, but before the war we had such a problem with this, it is a system that is installed on all modern cruise missiles, there is stormshadow, scalp, there is american jasm, that is. our

missiles, in general, like the old kha-55, were guided using the gps system, which now creates obstacles, so something to say about the time frame, well, i think that the easiest way for us to make a land version of the neptune missile is, well, maybe six months will be needed for us to establish production at a pace of, well, let's say five or six missiles per month, well , but it's still not will cover all the... needs of the ukrainian army on the condition that our western partners constantly talk about limiting the use of their missiles, and all the same the advantage will be on the side of the russian side, i understand correctly, well, regarding the fact that russia is capable of producing up to 120 missiles on a month of all types, yes, of course, our 5-6, well, 10, let's say rockets, this is a lag. more

than an order of magnitude, but this means that we, in addition, we receive missiles from our allies, let's say, i hope that these red lines, these prohibitions, restrictions, yes, they will advance further and further, because you see , that the russians, they do not care about anything, they are already starting to hit our second dam there, yes, i think that the allies will finally agree. on the use of their missiles as well, if we take them together, then the number of missiles, ours, our missiles and allies are produced, the situation will be at least three times worse than the russian one, but it will already be many times more, more profitable for us. another topic touched on by president zelenskyi is the production of drones by ukraine, and he says that

our state is already taking over russia's leadership in the production of drones and their use at the front. let's listen to what zelensky said? our ukrainian defense and security forces are already leading the way in this regard, and in july our soldiers used more drones than the occupiers this should be a steady trend at the front, across all types of drones we have in our units, from fpv to everything else, inclusive. with our long-range drones, which already influence the war strategically, influence in the interests of ukraine. and our ukrainian leadership regarding drones can be not only the factor that brings a just end to the war, but also will make ukraine a provider of security for other states. our producers have already contracted for this year.