we have already come to the snake itself. the following shots may shock you. news from the scene. live drone attacks, kamikaze. political analytics. objectively and meaningfully. there is no political season. exclusive interviews, reports from the hottest points of the front. frankly and impartially. you draw your own conclusions. an unusual look at the news. good health, ladies and gentlemen, my name is mykola veresin, sharp presentation of facts and competent opinions. for example, if mykola veresin had done so, he would have gone to prison. a special look at events in ukraine, so it is not necessary to say that the fish rots from the head, no, not from the head. but beyond it. and then who is china? my heart hurts. all this in an informational marathon with mykola veresny. saturday 17:10, sunday 18:15 for espresso. greetings to our viewers, this is the experience

of war, and i, iryna koval, today invited oksana vegovska, an infectious disease doctor, professor, dean of the bogomolets medical university, to our studio. oksana, i congratulate you, but probably not everyone knows. that you are not only a doctor and a professor and dean, and also a volunteer, so today i want to talk to you about this experience of yours, congratulations, i want to start our conversation precisely on february 24, 2022, so that you remember where you were, what you did and whether you thought that everything will be exactly as it was, well, i think...

everyone remembers this day, i am no exception, on this day i found myself at the mercy of fate in the city of vasylkiv, which was one of the first to suffer, where houses were shelled and attacked local residents, the airport, and after arriving there to pick up my husband's mother, i realized that i can't just be in... in this city, and began to ask, as a doctor, who can i provide help, how can i be useful, of course, the first thing that came to mind was to go donate blood, but through acquaintances i found out that there is a territorial defense, and there are needed , of course, of course, doctors, and thus, on the first day of the war, i became a doctor, a volunteer of shit vasylkova's territorial defense. this is how my

volunteering journey began. how long did you stay there in vasylkiv? uh, as of today, i remain a doctor of territorial defense vasylkov shield, i don’t go there, first we they started and organized a medical point, where they also provided help to civilians, especially during attacks, my function was... to provide help at the place where a person was injured and take the person to the hospital, where the person was already operated on and qualified medical care was provided, and of course to provide help to the boys and girls who were volunteers, literally a month later a medical hospital with beds was organized and, accordingly, from the first day we were on duty there, that is... we

lived there 24x7 for many days, and in such a pace, i was there until october 2022, and then at the same time i worked at the medical university and commuted to work, then it became easier, there were more of us on duty, well, the hospital is still functioning. well, i know that you started traveling specifically to the de-occupied territories and providing medical assistance to people in the de-occupied territories. most often, where exactly do you go? well, it started with a trip to kharkiv, i will never forget june 22, when i got to this city, which i fell in love with and love, i was just taking medicine for the military, for

the same ones of mine, for example, students, combat medics who were mobilized in different units and in different medical institutions. and on the way from kharkiv , my colleagues called me and asked how can i help people in kharkiv? conversation after conversation , i say not only people in kharkiv need help, vasylkov also needs help, but i forgot, my first experience was chernobyl, i completely forgot, yes, it was chernobyl, it was de-occupied, this is immediately kharkiv, it was de-occupied... kyivska oblast, it was our entire kyiv oblast de-occupied, it was the first experience, when we were together with our guys from the territorial defense, today was the de-occupation, tomorrow we were visiting boyarka, borodyan and borodyanka, and irpin and the entire

zhytomyr highway. chernobyl directly, and then there was already kharkiv, and then. kharkiv oblast, zaporizhzhia oblast, donnytsia oblast have already started, and it went on like that, is it possible to somehow characterize all the cities, villages where you come with a group, and what you see there most often, it all depends on when it was , whether it was, for example, the 22nd year, or the 23rd, or this, now 24th year, a little different. the situation, well , for me, what i saw immediately after the deoccupation of the entire kharkiv region had a great impact on me, because we had such an opportunity, together with the military, we were the first to arrive, that is, after

the deoccupation, people had not yet seen doctors, psychologists, saw someone with whom you can talk, we are now viks... all these shots were very impressive destroyed infrastructure, destroyed hospitals, all medical facilities, it doesn't matter, dispensary, hospital, kindergartens and schools, well, of course, some cities were destroyed , which were destroyed, 90% of the villages, well, they often talk about the fact that literally hospitals were looted, that's all you can say. the equipment is taken away, even the beds were absolutely taken away, almost everything was taken away when we entered the hospital, maybe it still had walls, but inside it was destroyed, it was burned, and it was clear that it was all taken away, well, plus - the first torture chambers, which no one has yet heard about

said, er, for example, i know that my son, who also traveled with me, he er... as a photographer, a volunteer, he took pictures of the first tortures that happened, about known in the kharkiv region, and it really impressed me, because it's not just the walls, everyone saw these photos, everyone understands what was inside, and back then we didn't talk about such things, women, women who... had sex violence, women who were pregnant as a result of this sexual violence, children who witnessed the death of a family member as a result of shelling or sniper fire, children

who became adults, children who did not look their age, both physically and mentally, and who worried about... their own grandmothers, grandfather, people who lived, because the occupation was different, it was long, if we are talking about donetsk region, it was longer than kharkiv region, that is, people who lived in dilapidated houses, people who lived and continue to live, for example, in destroyed in the siversk hospital, into which we got, we didn't count, eight or nine times, i was very impressed by this, because there is a cemetery on the territory of that hospital, this is the cemetery of medical workers who worked there, who died under during one of the shellings when i am in siverrskyi, i definitely go there in order not to forget, it is very difficult, and for sure

we will never be able to forget it, most often, what do you talk about with these people, what words do you choose and... what do they say? well, we come, first of all, as doctors, so we talk, yes, we talk about health, about what hurts, what bothers, how they... were, how they are, since we have it is a tradition to return to the place we have already been, so i already have my patients, and they are already waiting for the doctor to return, they tell how they fulfill the appointment or how they take medicine, just here people take medicine as prescribed, and they wait for the doctor to come back, and i... oksana, after you have probably seen everything, this is all horror, about which you

are telling, you went to school and started studying to be a psychologist, right? yes, yes, well, i thought about it before, but somehow i didn't find the time, but i was really impressed by the children, it was in zaporizhzhia, they were children from the occupied territories, teenage children, in whose care i was, as a doctor. .. the pediatrician revealed suicidal thoughts and inclinations at the appointment. she was not alone a child, and that is why it had a very great effect on me, i took the message to a psychologist, but i thought that i lacked knowledge, despite the fact that i have been working with children and their parents for many years of my life , so that maybe not enough, yes, what i need... more knowledge in order to help provide psychological help, both to children and adults, and

it is probably worth giving some advice to all those people who are watching us now, who live in the de-occupied territories, and i just remember one of our private ones with you conversation, when we talked about the fact that both adults and children, they have, let's say, not very strong, yes, we can say, health, and there are neglected diseases, and they can be neglected not only because the war, and because before that a person did not take care of his health, it so happened that there was a war, and maybe there were some chronic diseases, there was no way to treat it, what can you advise, which after everything that you saw, to choose the words for that , to appeal to people, well... i want to say first of all that you should remember that you are not alone, that

the whole country supports you, there are quite a lot of volunteer organizations, both ukrainian and international, that come to the de-occupied territories on the front line and provide various types of medical assistance, and this is done on a regular basis basically, there are organizations in which there are ukrainian doctors. for example, according to the type of our organization, where doctors from israel, the united states of america, germany, from various countries volunteer with us and come and return, and this supports us and gives us inspiration, for example, yesterday one of my friends from the united states of america, who came to conduct another tactical training. medicine is free for our students and for volunteers and for entrants, for everyone

who wants it, he tells me that do not forget that you are my family, i have known this person since 22 years, and this is really important, because i understand, that this is real, but don't forget that ukraine is my one and only big family, and that's why it hurts you, it hurts us. you are being shot at, we are also being shot at, we are on the same wavelength if someone comes across, maybe with some other opinion, well, you, it's not for you to tell that people are in different psychological states, and that's why there can be such a reaction of stress. was there any such story in these de-occupied territories, where exactly did you come, that impressed you and... and maybe it is standing before your eyes, you still remember it, and this is always, it is called, if you always have

to find, it doesn't matter how many adult children you have seen in one visit, you should always find at least one whom you really helped and saved, i.e. or it was an undiagnosed, it might not have been diagnosed before the war. because it was either mistakenly diagnosed, the same thing can happen, and you figured it out, made the correct diagnosis, accordingly referred correctly, if necessary for examination, correctly prescribed medicine... and the child or an adult recovered, it could be, well, for example, tell me who, who it was, who is interesting to hear, but it happens all the time, it happens on every trip, well, for example, in the kharkiv region , it was a boy who at the age of 12 weighed about 140 kg, a boy, yes, i, my mother is small,

thin, fragile, and i'm very glad that she was still able to lead him... because he resisted, he didn't want to, we just had an appointment at the same time, a neurologist, a psychiatrist, we took a comprehensive look at him together , i looked over all the documents that my mother brought, i explained to her that in general we are talking about a disorder of the metabolic cycle, i found an extract, i tell you, yes... the geneticist told me, well i say, look, she says, frankly i didn't make it, because the diagnosis was made literally before the war, i say, in kharkiv wonderful doctors of genetics, a medical center, my mother still got there, he began to receive the right treatment and began, well

, to lose weight, that is, the quality of his life is much better. better, the main thing is that he is diagnosed and treated, how and where do you manage to get enough strength to work at several jobs, and also in your free time, which, as i understand it, there is no, this is how i show my free time , because i understand that it does not exist at all, and to study, i know that you also study the german language at the same time in courses, and to go to the de-occupied territories. how about where you take all the time and the first inspiration for this, because i know that many ukrainians lack this right now, they give up when we read the news, when we understand that the verse is ending, i just think that everyone should do what he knows the best, i

know how to treat the best, so in this way i bring our... victory closer, that is , it gives you strength when you understand that you are doing what you love, this is my specific contribution, this is my specific help, and it is pure my conscience, my heart, my soul, and that's what gives me the right to look into the eyes of our defenders, my students who are fighting, who are returning. uh, so, this, i think, it inspires, do we need more doctors, who would, well, what, let's say this, right, do we need more doctors in order to make trips like this, well, the more doctors, because, the more, it will be appropriate, but not

only doctors, yes, there is also a need to transfer medicines, that is, not... just to examine the person, the person needs to be given medicine, it is necessary to make sure that the person understands how to take medicines, she will take them and let the medicine be calculated so that it will be available until the next visit, therefore, accordingly, yes to the doctors, the more doctors, the more territories will be under supervision, the more people can receive, accordingly. qualified, because doctors of various specialties are already traveling, they are specialists of very high levels, qualified medical assistance. i know that your students are driving, yes, it is also for them as such, let's say, the experience they get, and what they say, but i understand that these are very

young people, they could be students there first, second, third years, and seniors. yes, and most often, what do they say after these trips? uh, it's very important because they see, well, first of all, it educates them, uh, a citizen, yes, a person with an active life position, a patriot, heroes, uh, boys and girls who protect with weapons, heroes are also those who provide... assistance of various kinds, well, in my opinion, heroes are people who donate money, that is, we are all heroes, they see reality. they see how uh, the profession of a doctor is important, how difficult it is, how necessary it is to have many skills, well, now it is called

such a modern word of competences, yes, that is, how professional you need to be in order to still be able to look like this and make a diagnosis, that is, for them it is a huge professional experience, for them it is a communication experience, they communicate perfectly with people and people need this , especially if there are grandparents, they often treat them like their grandchildren or great-grandchildren, that is, psychological help is also involved here, they learn to work in a team, that is, to be a doctor’s assistant, to be an administrator who will receive a large number of people, people do not always come with a positive attitude, many can come with a negative attitude, because something hurts, the medicine has run out, there is a long queue. doesn’t want to, can’t, doesn’t have the strength, it all teaches sociability, flexibility, it teaches the so-called hard and skills, that is, it teaches

first of all to be a good specialist, and if you ride together, or teachers ride together, it forms such a a culture of mutual respect . that there are such stories when you found people who needed it there operation, yes, who needed help that you cannot provide there on the spot, and you transported this person with your group, you helped to get settled, you can tell about such stories, there are enough, we have practically, every departure it is one or two cases when a person needed. surgical intervention right on this day, we, since we always have an ambulance, we drove then

to various places, including kharkiv, this and kuping, this and kramatorsk, to medical institutions, where there were doctors who could provide one or another type of surgery, very often our patients, well, for example, i made arrangements, and they came. to ahmadyt, the national children's specialized hospital, because there was a need for help, the operation was high-quality and difficult, and quite a few children were operated on during this time at bohmedyt. what are the main health problems faced by people in the de-occupied territories, what diseases do you most often encounter? if it's adults, first of all. arterial hypertension, i.e. high blood pressure. in second place, neuralgia. we understand why this is all

effects of stress. very often, diabetes of the second type develops, and unfortunately, part of it is the first time it is detected, it is related to stress, plus the peculiarities of nutrition, because especially at the beginning we remember what people ate, what what... was, that, if we are talking about adults, what else can be, i have seen quite a lot of varicocele expansion of the lower extremities, there can be traffic ulcers, and if we are talking about children, and if we are talking about children, then in children if we are talking about acute diseases, no, acute, yes, seasonally there simplicity, even a skaratina was put. there was even a case when measles was diagnosed as infectious mononucleosis, but not often, i.e. in children in most cases it goes, or

diabetes, first detected, yes, against the background of the same stress and nutrition, or, for example, more often it joint-bone system, this is either scoliosis, various, well , different disorders, postures, or... such pain syndromes, i.e. pain, pain in the hands, pain in the muscles, pain in the joints, i.e. myalgia, hyperalgia, well, does it say that? that most people in the de-occupied territories need a psychologist, maybe a doctor, yes, who will deal with them, they need psychological support, because these are people who are in... more like a zone of constant shelling, a constant threat directly to their lives, to the lives of their relatives, loss

of home, loss of loved ones, this is... chronic stress, and not just stress is so equal, but every shelling, every arrival, it is very difficult to perceive, so yes, absolutely, yes, they learned, but they will cause sleep disturbances, that is, about such things, cognitive disorders, primarily sleep disorders, both in children and adults, anxiety, depression, yes, or increased. gray hair also in children in adults, and in children tics have returned, that is, such twitches, or, for example, such sensations, such sounds: mom thinks that the nose, or cough, a cold, it turns out that it is of a nervous nature, ah, in children i even saw and showed my students a boy with tourette's syndrome, these are such generalized tics, both motor and vocal, and... with the whole body, moreover

i also saw it in adults, in adults, due to constant attacks, that is, the consequences of acobarotrauma, yes, that is, contusions, to put it more clearly, it is a headache, so constant, periodically it gets even worse, it is ringing in the ears, dizziness, such a feeling of pressure on the head, by the way, this also happens in teenagers, that is, here... a neurologist and or a family doctor are needed, and here you definitely need the support of a psychologist. what can you advise such people? such people should not sit at home, they must, they know, it is very good to raise awareness of the fact that doctors come, it doesn't matter which organization, they must be told, there is a doctor, there is a psychologist, doctors of what specialties, be sure to come,

come. you will be looked at, your blood pressure will be measured, your sugar level will be checked, the most basic things, the doctor will listen to you, examine you, no, they will provide you with help, plus, even if there is no psychologist in this location, if there is such an acute problem, they will definitely find one for you a psychologist, because you can be online with a psychologist, a psychologist. come, psychologists conduct individual and group sessions sessions are held, but as far as i understand, this is mandatory, because we are talking about the fact that it is a psychological condition first, and then after that a physical one is also involved, that is, other diseases are added, combined, yes, oksana, there is another i have a question for you, maybe it will be difficult for you, but i still want us to hear and

for you to voice, what... did you get an experience during the war that you would never want to get? well, this question is difficult for everyone, i would, well, first of all, i lost two of my relatives people, and this is my dad, who died on february 26, because... in the city of kyiv, where we lived, there were street fights at that intersection, saboteurs broke through, and the apartment, the window looked out on this very alley, and he became witnessed these events, and he got scared, he had a stroke, i took him to vasylkov, but unfortunately, i didn't even

have time to take him to the hospital. literally a year later in the same year, at the end of the month - at the end of the year, i lost my grandmother, why? because there was a power cut, my grandmother had a cavity with pneumonia, and she needed oxygen, and i brought an oxygen concentrator, she was on an oxygen concentrator, but then there were four outages. days, even longer, accordingly, that none, of course, we bought a generator and there was a generator, but the generator could not withstand such long outages, and therefore the grandmother, she died from the fact that there was no access to oxygen, some period of time, and it turns out, that the loss of loved ones is directly related to the consequences, huh. and with the war,

well