to talk about, i’m not afraid of this wording, a special military operation to demilitarize the kursk region of russia, with me as a guest today is roman pohorily, he is a co-founder and senior analyst of the deep state resource, and actually, roman, i want to discuss with you the purpose of this operation, we already for several days we have been watching our forces break through the defense. yan captures new and new territories in the kursk region, but we do not know anything about the goal. what do you think the purpose is? congratulations. well, if we talk about the goals and tasks that have been set for today, then they are definitely not, because first of all, our military-political leadership, it chose the position of silence, and this is probably the most correct position of all that was before , is now, and is now. certain versions, there

someone says that it is to get to the gas distribution station there, to the as, and have some leverage, someone simply says that it is the seizure of territory, the return of territory, which, too, may in the future we agree in certain positions negotiations, in particular this was noted by a representative of the president's office, i don't know what this was for comment, but so be it, someone says that it is a distraction. some reserves so that the muscovites could pull them away from belgorod, there from the donbass, although as of today, how many days have passed, our guys do not feel this pullback, if it was even there, because a very large number of forces are concentrated there, in particular, if we speak about avdiivka, pokrovska or toretska district, but only time will tell, for today this work is being done, in the future we will see what it was all for, the main thing is that it reaches its

the end, so that it does not find its fulfillment, and what are the tasks and all these versions there, then there is no difference, nevertheless, i would like to discuss them with you, because as you correctly noted, the ukrainian official side does not say anything about this operation , but we are interested in understanding what it will be, whether it will be another sortie, as it was, we with... guarded several times in the performance of russian volunteer units that entered the territory of the russian federation, fought there for several days, filmed videos , photo and left. well, there are early signs that it is some events are much larger, and they have some serious goals, because when we visited the previous times, there were certain units, in particular, if we talk about the rdk and others. there was a lot of media

content of some kind, there were certain processes that had their own tasks, to date we do not see that today there is any media coverage of any kind, we do not see that it was done there on purpose, because where do the shots come from, where there are some fighters, where damage is inflicted, where some clashes take place, etc in general, which are applied? in particular , tonight a whole column was burned, which was going there to some kind of their reflection, then this shows a serious scale, what is happening today, it is definitely not previous actions that were on our side, you know, here i am as a military correspondent, where , as a ukrainian, it was very infuriating that we had some kind of conditional, probably, maybe not conditional... red line, so that our troops

could not cross the borders and enter the territory of the russian federation. this is what we saw during the kharkiv counteroffensive, so when ours the troops liberated the area, reached the border and stood and were forced to watch the russians build up troops, and now it's obvious that this ban has been lifted, i understand correctly, i don't know if it's been lifted, and... a lot of people don't know if lift there, were there any bans, as of today, again, we can say there are some signs, there are some agreements, no, first of all, it is that the united states, the european union and the partners in general have already declared that they are not aware of these maneuvers, and if this is indeed the case, that is we just took it and did our job, and no one is telling us that it is wrong, we can or can't, the military and political leadership...

we should be proud of today's actions, because previously we had discussed, asked, discussed, we built some kind of framework, what is possible, what is not possible, what... you can hit, where you can enter, but today we have such a position that the enemy has concentrated a large number of forces, the enemy is implementing these forces in the east, in particular there in the donetsk region, we see every day the map changes, we see every day there is progress, and to date, everyone is already a partner there, they approach the negotiations somewhere from the side, they force us to involve muscovites in the negotiation process in... peaceful, although they do not have to discuss any points there, they only have to be responsible for what they also did it for their aggression, because the international world recognized that aggression is a crime for which it is necessary to be punished, therefore there cannot be any discussions here, and today we are the wolf that is

cornered, and we are left as in that wolf only to find some very frank solutions that will give at least some chance to survive, this is one of... of them, therefore, i don't know if there were any agreements, as of today it is reported that we are in contact with the united states there, no one has didn't say anything to us, the answer was clear and quite comprehensive that this is ours, our war, these are our decisions and no one has the right to interfere, therefore only our highest representatives of the government, the newspaper, probably know about the agreements here. on condition of anonymity, one of president zelenskyi's advisors said that the defense forces in the kursk region captured more than 100 russian soldiers and that we supposedly control 100 km

of territory there, at the same time we have completely different data, different figures, for example, the russian liberal publication agency says as many as 400. and what are your data and why are the numbers so different? we don’t have data, because this is exactly the process that we try not to discuss, and we showed there certain first days of markings, so that people are already saturated with a little information, so that they understand that something is happening, because to contemplate how 3 days are all eat this russian information space, being in the decade. war, in particular in the information space, well, it is difficult, but as it is, regarding the fact that there are differences in how many were taken, how many passed, because no one knows anything, and everyone is trying to guess somewhere, draw something of their own, in someone has their own sources, by the way, the international media

is such a funny process, when our military-political countries are silent, do not give comments, this has already been mentioned, well, it was quite funny and... they start there, an unnamed general from the general staff, an unnamed advisor to the president’s office, an unnamed someone else, someone else, well, i don’t know, i call it a fantasy, because somehow, in a different way , it must be possible to approach the fact that at least to write something about it, but they have nothing, they come from such and such, and that's why, that's why the numbers are different, everyone tries to guess something somewhere, of course everyone reads, oh there's a soldier... they wrote, the russians wrote, the russians wrote. i have only one question: since when did the russians become the source of all those lies, after all that we have already experienced with them in the war, that's all. by the way, this is a really funny moment, if i'm not mistaken, the bloomberg publication recently published an article that

the general staff does not pick up the phone and does not comment on these events. speaking about the advance of our troops, actually. here we have a wonderful video from the village of oktyabrska, i will ask the editors to show it now, there is simply a lot of burnt equipment standing along the road, this road, by the way, leads directly to the regional center, to kursk, and to the kursk nuclear power plant, it is noticeable that the village october is located somewhere 50 km from sudzhia, from which the entire information space began to discuss the offensive in kursk region. mr. roman, in your opinion, what does this mean that our forces are going to kurbsk? perhaps, perhaps,

now again , it is difficult and unnecessary to draw an exact zone where our military is located. we don't know what they have set there, and that's good, the military leadership knows about them, they are currently implementing these tasks, and who cares about these... it's interesting, i want to know more, if please join the guys in all these landings, all these roads and learn about all the plans that interest you. kurdsk, as, gas distribution station, something else, it is unknown, and it is great that it is unknown, we are seeing the results, here is a video with the damage to this column, enjoy, i am sure, there will be more of this, and we will see the consequences in time, for sure necessarily i would like to talk to you about the military forces of the enemy, which

he has in the kursk region. actually, we saw a lot of strange information, in particular about the kadyrivites, who had locked themselves in there, then they went somewhere in the wrong direction, then they declared that they had run away from our troops. and what is actually happening, are there any troops on the territory of the kursk region at all, which can... act against us? well , today, if you look at what we already have, then they met, met, the first are, as they call, conscripts, somewhere there akhmat is running, it is not known where, filming in some baths there, that they are at the front , they force their own soldiers from the russian federation to apologize if they say something there that they... were not there, eh, very funny and very mysterious, but the muscovites, they have

certain resources, they are already collecting them, it is very funny again to watch how they film it all, where they go, where they concentrate there, and i am sure that they will use all this, and usually , if you look at the previous actions, they unfolded quite quickly, i don’t know if they knew that something was going to happen and they were already ready, or if they... really had reserves somewhere and they usually involved the rosguard, these are not an insignificant force, literally the police are like that military forces, but today it is increasingly serious, they are now gathering such regular troops, they are collecting equipment, how they will implement it, where it is not known much yet, here we will also see in time how they will occupy some positions in general , there is information that they... are charging from different directions, first of all, it is belgorod, that is, the northern borders of kharkiv oblast, where they,

they gathered a fairly significant group there, and on the one hand, even then, as kharkiv oblast was being discussed, one could think , and they could have such problems implement all this concentration of forces at once, but they start them gradually, by which they delay time, hold a certain territory, and again delay our reserves, and they have for this... the resources are not one day, week, they have this whole the territory is held and there after one group, which is destroyed, another immediately comes and so on day after day, that is why the forces that they have concentrated there, there is certain information that they are transferring it to the kursk district, then there was information that they are also coming from the south , this is a significant such time until will cross there from one point to another, but excuse me, i’ll clarify what... you yourself mean the south, zaporizhzhia district, kherson oblast, so be it, i don’t know for sure, it’s just that the south

is where they occupied the territory, or is that also it is not known for sure, that is, time will tell here , first of all, it always, when they moved something, it got out later where they lit up, then time is still needed for overturning, on the one hand, they know how to do it, they are constantly on the front somewhere they drag and just... they don't see any opportunity there for promotion, for a favorable situation, they throw reserves there, use them quickly. on the other hand, it is so unexpected that it has started, so of course they are already pulling it off, they will do it, but how will they implement it and will they succeed with that disorganized information, first of all, as it is, here already let's see, i hope our defense forces will destroy them and everything will be fine. and as for the use of missiles, as far as i understand, this is perhaps the biggest obstacle that

our forces are currently facing in kursk region? and this is not only the kursk region, it is everywhere along the front line, first of all, they always had an advantage, and this is such a key, one of the main, or rather, means, it is aviation with their cabs, fabs, and if we talk there along the front line , this is now the pokrovska district, turetska is there, they. began to work very actively, in particular, when they had an advance and still have, they concentrated all this attention and inflicting damage on populated areas on the positions of the ukrainian military, and what they do, they just... play everything zero, and then already the infantry, and it is simply swarming there, it continues to advance there, and in these uncomplicated conditions it is very difficult to somehow conduct battles, and nevertheless our defense forces are trying to contain all this pressure, so it is also not an exception there that in in the kursk region, they will also apply all this, as they did in the kharkiv region on the northern borders,

vovchansk was simply destroyed in the first place precisely by cabs and fabs, that's what they did. peacetime, in mariintka, in bakhmut, that is, this is now one of their main tactics, and this, unfortunately advantage, but now they will have to wipe their own settlements off the face of the earth, which cannot help but please, it does not please her, but it looks strange, because they are good, that there are soldiers, whom they throw for meat and they simply do not they appreciate them, and these soldiers are all the same... they trust, they go into battle, they don’t kill and everything, but when civilians fly in, they are ready to demolish entire settlements of their own people, their own houses, it looks like wild and strange, and the fact that the population supports it all the same, that i don’t know some kind of madness and madness, just

some kind of disease, well, of course they have some kind of separation, as always in russian, when... there is a local government there, there is a military, and they leave and they shoot vladimir vladimirov and do something, that is, they have a tsar and god - this is only their ruler and that's all, and they don't see anything else, although he is the one who first of all agrees to this and gives orders to bomb them there, that's why i understood you correctly, that currently there is no improvement in the situation for our forces in other directions, well, on sorry... it's not that there is no improvement, it's just difficult because the enemy has concentrated a lot of their forces, they are climbing continuously, moreover, they see some favorable moments, they see progress, and as i already mentioned, one of their tactics, only they see something, some opportunity, they immediately start to develop this opportunity, to put pressure there, and that's what they

do, so now it's important to contain this pressure. which are carried out, in particular, in the pokrovska, turetska area, these are probably the most discussed such areas, although in our country there is also the district of novomykhaivka, that is, somewhere from the ugledar to kostyantynivka, the route along which they are trying to get out, in particular, then to the ugledar, this is the area of ​​krasnohorivka, georgiivka, maksimilianivka, wherever they climb in the direction of kurakhovo, and there are also quite such heavy battles, and this is eastern kharkiv region, that is... there, the settlement of pishchane, everyone can see this ledge to the borova kupyansklovi kupyansk highway, so there are a lot of these difficult moments, and very often just such processes took place, when they accumulate their strength , just in the area the avdiivkas are probably the largest group there now after they took it, so they are now implementing all of this there, plus

they have pulled up reserves there, because they see an opportunity to go on the road, that is, pokrovsk. myrnograd konstantinika and these settlements, which are very important and in fact one of the last already large ones, so they have concentrated a large number of forces and are beginning to press, storm, it was there in the area of ​​the chasovoy yar, it was in the area of ​​lyman, now there already in fact, the pressure was sleeping, it was in the area of ​​siversk, maryinka, when she was still there her, i.e., all these processes, and if you sum up this question, most likely... this is how it boils down to whether it is appropriate to use these fresh forces that went to kurshchyna, and instead of going to toretsk and pokrovsk, from one on the part of such a thesis, it is well-founded, and this is what the western partners and westerns began to throw at us, those who

are discussing on twitter, this is what some representatives of our population immediately began to present there. and of course the muscovites took advantage of this, they immediately started to enter the media space there, where they said, the military is there are rioting, people are rioting, no one agrees, why do we go there, if we have these settlements and the like, on the one hand yes, and this is a very big risk, this is exactly the wolf that is cornered, they took these risks , took such steps that we are... realizing that more global and deeper goal, and it is worth it, if you think about it this way, and if there are indeed certain options that will be used in the future from kursk, with the territory. we will have to use them someday, then it is worth it, the only question is whether it is implemented, if it is implemented, well, i'm sure, everyone will say, it's great, it

was really well thought out, and no one will remember whether it was worth it or not, if it's not implemented, i'm 99% sure that everyone will remember toretsk, everyone will remember pokrovsk, that we screwed up here, screwed up there, nothing worked out, here everything is emotional, but here you have to think. mind, to understand the risks, because we have no other option, and to believe in the defense forces, believe in our defense forces, those who disagree, join, those who agree, help, or keep silent and say nothing, that's all, that's why now, of course , stabilization measures are being carried out, certain reserves are being tightened, there are many problems, but the most important thing is to restrain this pressure in the pokrovska and turetska areas in order to prevent progress and of course... then, if it works both here and there, it it will be great pokrovsk, toretsk, ugledar, kupyansk. do i understand correctly that

the enemy does not withdraw reserves from these hot spots, hot areas, in order to transfer them to the kursk region. so far this has not been observed, and again, as i mentioned earlier, even if they are there, if they pull something in the pokrovsk area, i doubt that the guys will feel it, because there are a lot of them there. there are so many that there really aren't enough resources to destroy them all, that's why, and i doubt that they will abandon this particular direction, when they have such colossal opportunities, they'd rather drag it there from the south and kill for implementation there is the cutting of the robotic performance, what they also set, and this is more of an informational task, it is tactical, strategic, absolutely not justified and does not give them any chance... therefore, i am sure that they are ready to withdraw some forces from there, but definitely not there from donetsk, i.e. pokrovsk and toretsk, because

the risks are too great. i would also like to discuss with you the processes of evacuation of the civilian population of the kurdish region. if we talk about official statements, then we see that everything is fine there, that all people are being evacuated. everyone is provided with everything, but nevertheless we constantly see statements and appeals from the local population, who simply shout that the kremlin abandoned and forgot them. in your opinion, how much is the humanitarian situation in the kursk region catastrophic now? maybe catastrophic? maybe not, because there are different, again there are videos, there are different situations. someone was given four buses, as there was one video, and they are all happy there, someone left on their own, for someone there they organized some kind of humanitarian handouts so that people at least

received something, someone, someone was not taken out, there is this disorientation in the information space , there we didn't hear immediately when it all started, evacuate there, run away, there helped, what we heard in the information space, everyone was beaten off, everyone was expelled. everything is fine, and it was at the level of official representatives of some authorities, so they did not pay attention to the civilian population, they also served them there, that is, they began to bomb them, there were already certain moments, and of course, now it is precisely this disorientation of information in the first place , it affects this process, that everything is bad, they complain, and so be it, but then again, this is this madness in the head, when... it is necessary to turn to a higher level, to which these proved, they what, they are gathering in a circle, recording a video video vladimir vladimirovich, help us

, the governor of kursk and the mayor and everyone have abandoned us here, what should we do and everything, that's why they deserved it, let them drive away everything that they did to us themselves, i hope and sincerely i want them to go through all the stages that we went through, that our population went through. not to receive humanitarian aid, to have their houses bombed, to be left with nothing, to at least, at least somewhere stir, and they think what could happen, when you come to someone with the same thing, this is karma in action, actually, is it true, mr. roman, we talked about the readiness of the enemy for such actions, from our side, the bloomberg agency itself published information that... russian intelligence two weeks before these events allegedly informed the command, the military command, about a possible invasion , but the head of the russian general staff. known to us

, gerasimov rejected this data and did not inform putin about it, do you think this is a sign that the russians underestimated us, or are they just now looking for an opportunity to justify themselves and are looking for a scapegoat from buvail, there are two options, or bloomberg didn't know anything, i just wrote it and that was it, just under, well, because there were absolutely no signs. on the other hand, the second, perhaps it was so, considering how now the same gerasimov and the russian military command in general in that area are justifying their actions, they are providing disinformation, everything was repelled, everything is fine, there, now our units are working there and the like, maybe there was such a situation that they don't know what to do now, although, well, we see, heads don't fly to the public, everything is shown,

everything is fine, everything is under control. like they have there it is not known inside, if it causes any conflicts, if it causes any trouble there, well, it is only a plus for us, everything, everything is absolutely negative, what is happening inside them now, everything is a plus, were they ready, were they not, it is now shows the result , how things progress, how they react, did they lie, if they lied, well, keep it up, we, we are only for it, and i want to talk to you too. we mentioned this a little at the beginning, about the reaction of our western partners to the situation. actually, we have statements, in particular, the spokesman of the us state department, matthias miller, who said that ukraine's actions in the kursk region do not contradict us policy, as well as the head of the defense committee of the german bundestag, markus faber, who does not consider the use of german weapons

on the territory to be a problem. region, isn't this proof that these actions were either coordinated with our western partners, or they are just now telling us that you can invade russian, the territory of the russian federation, where to decide for yourself? either it was agreed to or they have no other choice now, and this is the genius, again , of a military-political screenwriter, i will not name the surname there... so that they do not say that i am praising someone there, something else, and i will call it just a state there is a place, a structure, an institution, a military-political leadership that faced the fact, or did not inform, did, and now no one will show publicly that we have any differences, no one will say, unfold everything, we are everything to you we forbid, we will not give help tomorrow, well, it is very big a significant plus then for the muscovites, who

will see that it is not possible to do this, but we see something completely different in the public space , our partners can no longer do anything, if this is a pre-agreed position, then this is very excellent trolling of the muscovites, if not agreed purely on the fact, well, thanks to them for their understanding and thanks again to our military and political leadership, which implemented all this, was not afraid, and we finally showed our strength. we have finally accomplished what to some extent has long been expected and asked, why us we don't do things like that, we did, well, let's hope this is just the beginning, mr novels, thank you for a great conversation, that's all i have for now, espresso viewers, i wish you the best, we'll have commercials next, stay tuned. there are discounts until

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