i don't quite understand what they are talking about when they talk about the war narrative. well, the fact is that , first of all, we recently, you may have noticed, the representatives of the authorities are not very willing to comment on this issue, and this is correct, because it is necessary for it to remain, you know, there is such a concept as the fog of war, that is, in order to in order to disorient the enemy, you have to follow certain rules, so i won't comment in detail either, but regarding... but this statement, well , first of all, i look at it as an international lawyer, because you have to understand that when there is an international armed conflict, when there is a war, especially if it is a war, aggression, aggressive war, then there is a right to self-defense, which is provided for in article 51 of the united nations charter, which gives ukraine the right to conduct hostilities, exercising its right to suicide on the territory

of the aggressor state, that is, it is our right under international law, secondly, we see what panic the events around the kurdish region caused in the kremlin, we see that the narrative of the war has really changed, if before it was about military operations on the territory of ukraine, now we see that hostilities are taking place on the territory of the aggressor state, that is, this already suggests that... putin is not in a position to guarantee security for his citizens, that is, it undermines his legitimacy and endangers his staying in power, that is, i believe that we are on the eve of very significant changes, well, i would knock on wood, which i am actually doing right now, because very often we have hopes for significant changes, and then changes do not occur. i have a clarifying question for you on a completely different topic. because the ukrainians

quite actively discussed the fact that mexico invited putin to the inauguration of the president, but my question is, did she invite zelensky or not, because as far as i understand, when the inauguration procedures take place, all the leaders of the countries are invited without exception, someone has time , someone has an opportunity, someone has a specific friendly relationship there, then he goes, and someone... does not, it is hardly possible to imagine that all of africa, latin america, europe and asia will fly, means for the inauguration of the mexican president. do you know whether mr. zelenskyi received an invitation as well? and, as far as i know, the president of ukraine received such an invitation, although i cannot confirm it 100%, but according to my information, yes , that is, he is invited to the inauguration, well, he obviously does not... fly, it is not a priority,

definitely a priority somehow he suddenly appeared, when we learned that mr. kuleba , the minister of foreign affairs, went to africa, malawi, zambia, mauritius, i see such activity on the african continent, this it is really necessary for ukraine, it is such a priority, then the question arises, why, especially since when did they start. sever diplomatic relations, some african countries, well, where the juntas are actually in power, maybe we don’t need to go there, they now accept us respectfully, smile, and then make some statements that let your ambassador go from here, we, we we don't like him, why is ukraine interested in africa? well, first of all africa, this continent is really one of the strategic priorities for ukraine. by the way, about the need for such

trips of the minister of foreign affairs and representatives of delegations of the verkhovna rada, this was discussed even before the full-scale aggression, now we continue such communication with african countries, with representatives of other countries of the global cock, and this is very important, by the way, this is already the fourth trip of the minister of foreign affairs , and those countries that he visited just now are essentially friendly to... ukraine, i can confirm this based on communication with delegations, parliamentary delegations of these countries within the framework of the activities of the inter-parliamentary union. we met with delegations, for example, we are talking about malawi, about zambia, and these are countries that are essentially pro-western and they support ukraine, most of these countries vote in the un general assembly for resolutions aimed at... supporting

territorial integrity and the sovereignty of ukraine, these are countries with which we develop economic relations, which often suffer from russian aggression in the sense that... it destroys their economic well-being, by the way, some african countries are on the verge of starvation because of the fact that russian aggression blew up significantly undermined food stability in the world, that is, we need to develop relations with these countries, especially those that are friendly, and they can give us the necessary political and diplomatic support, that is also important, sir. oleksandr , let's go a little deeper into parliamentarism, well, it's not a big secret that african states very often gravitate, or even african societies, to dictatorships of various kinds, maybe they don't gravitate as much as their military gravitates, but parliaments are

important in africa, when, when you say parliamentary relations, i constantly think, well , it is important today, and the parliament is working, tomorrow some sergeants will run out, run out with... they will shoot in the air or at people with machine guns, and there is no parliament, and there is no one at all, there is no government , there is no parliament and so on and so on, is it worth it to maintain such relations with parliamentarians, where there is no such parliamentarism, i would say innate, but such parliamentarism, i somehow think that in many african countries people would strongly would be surprised if they were told that they have a parliament. well, the fact is that the countries of africa, they are very diverse, and there are countries in which there is really democracy, parliamentarism, i can give an example, and the republic of south africa, and kenya and malawi, but the fact is also that now

there is a struggle for africa, for influence and relations with african countries, the struggle is also ongoing here. such a front of struggle between democratic countries and authoritarian regimes, and therefore, in my opinion , democratic african countries should be supported, and by the way, indeed, countries that are authoritarian, they gravitate towards russia and china is trying to have a great influence in these countries, that is, on this continent there is also sometimes a rather sharp political struggle between democracy and authoritarianism, but... we have to be on sides of democracy, democratic countries, and support them in different regions of the world. mr. oleksandr, what is wrong with me, well, this is actually a speculative question, because we do not know exactly what is happening in the offices of the ministries of the ministry of foreign affairs in the world and in africa, the decrease in the presence of both

the french and the americans in some african countries, that's my impression, tell me if i'm wrong or not. i wish it was true, but i have the impression that the departure of the americans and french is under the slogan "let them try without us". well , they don't want to be with us, we won't, you know , send weapons there, somehow help, win back, convince, well, no, you don't want to, you don't have to, we're gone, you want to have russians here, you'll have russians, well, well, if you won't like them, you'll be... "well, we we will discuss with you, there are no questions, you want the chinese, please, we are absolutely normal people, we understand that both russia and china are not an ideal option for any developing country, because the russians just behave like, well, like always, like all russians, everywhere, like bandits, and the chinese first give

such sweet candies in the form of billions, and then say no-no-no, this is now this, now you have, now you are not in charge. our country, and we run your country through these billions, how am i right or am i wrong, whatever please, well, i basically agree with you, but here is the problem, the fact is that when democratic countries, in particular the united states, they, well, do not try to present some alternative or help the development of democracy in african countries, then the vacuum is not arises, i.e. authoritarian countries immediately try to take this place in the place of democratic countries, primarily russia with the help of the wagner terrorist organization, it is also china, which essentially pursues such an economic policy that resembles modern neo-colonialism, i.e. there is no

vacuum and therein lies the danger, although there is now a debate, particularly in the united states, about how much the united states should be... active in promoting liberal democracy in the world and supporting democratic countries, there is an opinion that we should just leave it and go out. save, save, for example, one's resources, money, in the end, and simply remove oneself, one can say, there is also such a foreign policy, if one can express it, paradigm, and here there is such a discussion in the united states, what to do next, and there is no answers, unfortunately, to this. let's return home, to ukraine, so the participation of the russian federation in the second peace summit should not be interpreted as the beginning of changes, the chairman said. the head of the president's office, mr. yaermak, and how do you see this design in general,

i would say the beginning of negotiations, these are direct, indirect, intermediary, such, etc., when it can happen, who should participate, well , it is obvious that ukraine is not will speak, talk with putin, but under all conditions, that means there must be someone there, well, there is a whole series of problems, like you... these problems should be looked at, please? well, when we talk about negotiations, about negotiations, we usually mean a bilateral format, although in fact there are very different formats in diplomatic practice in the history of international relations, for example, at one time we can mention the united states of iran after the islamic revolution of 79 year, when they held talks, they were sky... direct talks, and with the help of such an intermediary as algeria, that is, there are different formats, but here

it must be understood that there is no point in holding talks with russia when putin remains in power, because, well, first of all, this is a person who absolutely does not keep his word and who is not able to negotiate, so to speak, that is, there is no sense here, he violates all the agreements that have been reached, i mean, for example , the minsk agreements, that is, there is no point in even holding negotiations with someone who will not fulfill them, and maybe the situation in russia will change, maybe there will be a new leader, a new politician instead of putin, this cannot be ruled out, but at the moment it is not even about negotiations , and about creation such a political and legal framework through global peace summits, such as the second peace summit, is about so much. a third-party format for promoting the idea of ​​a just peace, and this idea

refers to the 10 points of president zelenskyi's peace formula, that is, such communication can only take place in such a multilateral format with the participation, with the participation of many countries that support international law, the un charter and the formula peace of president zelenskyi. the last question, mr. oleksandr, look, that's it homemade mr. zelenskyi, whom you just mentioned, announced a decision that, a decision that will strengthen spiritual independence, and here we encrypted, encrypted, decrypted so that the russian orthodox church might be banned, did we understand correctly, is there already such a possibility that parliament did it? well, i hope that this is how the president's words should be interpreted, because this is a long overdue issue, we ... understand that the russian orthodox church is not even a religious organization, it rather resembles such a totalitarian sect,

a terrorist totalitarian sect that is controlled by the russian intelligence services, that is, it is not a matter of religious freedom, it is a matter of national security, and it is a very dangerous organization that depends on the russian, or is controlled, simply controlled by the russian terrorist regime, but there is one aspect of international power . we have to very patiently convince and explain, in particular to our american colleagues, what it is about, because we will remember the speech in the senate of one of the candidates for vice presidents, which, by the way, i think, is exactly what we need to do with him as well to work and explain what it is about, that this is not a question of religious freedom, but a question of ensuring the security of the country during the war. thank you very much, thank you oleksandr, people's... of ukraine, chairman of the verkhovna rada committee on foreign policy and interparliamentary cooperation. once again

, we thank mr. oleksandr, and let's hope that now we will talk with ivan plachkov, the former minister of fuel and energy, the chairman of the council of the union of the all-ukrainian energy assembly, we will talk, by the way, not about ukrainian, at least let's start talking not about ukrainian energy, but about the russian nuclear power plant in kursk. if mr. ivan appears, turn him on immediately, he appeared, so ivan plachkov, the main specialist in the energy sector of ukraine, that's what i'll say, that's it, wow, wow, wow, wow! and even more so, a person like me is an advance for my future achievements, as we found out last time, who just graduated from the relevant higher educational institution, precisely in matters of nuclear energy, and therefore i am an expert in this field, here is the question, mr. ivan , well, first of all, this will be enough

a simple question, because we, i often talk to people in the last two or three days... who very often tell me that we need to go to the kurdish as, we need to capture, we need to surround, i say, it seems to me that the ukrainian, ukrainians are not idiots, and they can come to a certain distance, but they will never set a goal, because we will quarrel with the whole world, it is not this, it is not , it is not some kind of fun that we are sitting here, let's take it there, and they attacked our zaporozhye, yes, we will take them away, so we have separate ones. somehow, if they are morons, yes this does not mean that we should become morons, whether i am wrong or not, mr. ivan, i completely agree, and let's start with what is the kursk nuclear power plant, four 100 mw power units have been installed at the kursk nuclear power plant, rbmk type power units, such as at

the chernobyl nuclear power plant, and we know that these types of reactors are no longer in use, they are not being built. and gradually they are being decommissioned, even for the kursk first reactor, as far as i know, it has already been decommissioned, they are also planning further to bring out, and planned, and already build reactors of the vvr type, which are more reliable, they are hull-type, they are more protected and so on, it is absolutely correct that we cannot repeat even close to that. what did the russians do with the zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant, even if it is surrounded, surrounded, i am not saying that it will be freed somewhere, where it is occupied, or surrounded, then it is necessary to leave a suitable corridor in order to ensure the ability

to operate personnel who are licensed to work on this nuclear... facilities to it was not like in zaporizhzhia, there were no personnel left there, unlicensed russian personnel were working, and this outraged the whole, the whole society, the entire nuclear, society and the mht and so on, and all seven main components that ensure the safety of the operation of nuclear reactors were violated stations by one. of these components - this is the operation of this object by licensed personnel for this object, this is, firstly, secondly, the possibility of transporting and providing materials with reagents for the safe operation of the nuclear plant, ensuring

electricity for our own needs and so on, and mr. grossi, the head of the magt, he somewhere... a day ago and said that we must remember, remember these seven components and in no way do, do not do any actions that violate, but we must remember that the russians can do any provocation, they can destroy the power lines, leave this station without electricity for their own needs, they can do anything, they they... uh, they can come up with such and such provocations there, so we have to be very, very careful from kursk of the nuclear plant, and all our actions, well, we do not coordinate, it is obligatory to at least inform the igt about the situation there, what is happening there, what we know and so on,

because the igt is the only organization in the world, it is under the un , which... monitors and monitors the situation at each nuclear plant and provides objective information from the point of view of radiation safety and safety and reliable operation of the entire volume. mr. wang, and the ministry of defense, clarifying the question, have the opportunity to study and say, but you say that they can make any provocation, any, yes, it is us. convinced in 2 and a half years, but if something explodes there, something is destroyed there, the ministry of defense can say: no, it was not the ukrainians who destroyed it, it was the russians who destroyed it, we... we monitor, we understand how it happens, that's why we tell you , don't lie, mr. putin and his henchmen, it's not, it's not the ukrainians, it's you,

it's possible, yes, it's not only possible, it's the main task of the mgt and from experience, from what we've seen how the magat inspectors work at the zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant, they monitor absolutely everything where they are allow, and on the basis of that information. they give objective conclusions, and we remember that the magat confirmed that there were direct weapons there in the engine room of the turbine department of the zaporozhye nuclear power station, there were explosions, that the station was left without electricity for its own needs, diesel generators were working, and they said that they did not blame ukraine for what it did, and the magata said that it was not... let's say when unlicensed personnel work at nuclear facilities, so this is the function of the magata, and in my opinion look, to

today, despite the fact that in the first years we were there in our ministry, there were other heads of state, even so with such criticism and with such skepticism , they treated the mission of magate, but they fulfilled it 100%, and they... made such conclusions, such objective information, that even the governments of the united states and other countries adopted appropriate sanctions, yes, they are not full-scale, but accordingly sanctions were imposed both on the leadership of rosatom and on some structures, well, legal structures there direct dew, and such an option the development of events is possible when... not russia, but ukraine will ask magete to send it to kursk, that is, not to its ukrainian station,

but how to say it, listen, we came to 50 km, or i don't remember, to 70 or 50, and we are afraid of provocations, could you call moscow and say, let's come to you and monitor, if the ukrainians are to blame, we will say that it is the ukrainians. will be guilty, and if the ukrainians are not guilty, well, then we will say that the ukrainians are not guilty, in general , such a procedure is envisaged when a foreign country asks to look at one more country in ma, that ’s not it, there is no need to do it from the ukrainian side, i’ll tell you why, because the statute of the mgt is signed including russia, it provides, if the magate sees... that there is a need for to send inspectors and so on, she turns to the person there and says, we want to see, we

will send inspectors for such, such and such tasks, and russia can refuse, of course, but this will already be a violation of these statutes of the agreements that were written, further, if the agreements are violated, there are procedures, well, influence on russia, there, well, there are already other procedures, so the magat, if they see the need, they themselves will apply, and all the more so that the magat is a un structure, and they will also say what is for us , for analysis, for relevant reports and so on, this should be done. and they will turn themselves in, then we will see what and how the events will develop. now we are moving from nuclear energy to gas, to gas. you and i

have talked about it 100 times in personal conversations and during various interviews, and the opinion was constantly emphasized, not only with you, that we need to count the sale of russian gas to europe, starting from the east. the border of ukraine, and not from the western border of ukraine. well, the time has come, if i understand correctly, that now this dream of ukrainian energy workers will be realized, although on the other hand, it seems that ukraine will not let gas to hungary, slovakia, or austria. as far as i understand, three countries use this transit through ukraine, what do you say about this one, this one...

gas pipelines, including the pipelines of the gas transport system of urengoy, pamara, uzhgorod, and the main volume of gas, it is pumped through suja, and in suja there is a system of accounting for this gas, which is pumped through ukraine to europe, unfortunately , there is no accounting on the territory of ukraine. yes, and we planned back in 20006, there were already funds from the european bank of 80 million ee in order for us to build an accounting system on the ukrainian side, unfortunately, this did not happen when stavich became the prime minister, these issues were stopped, and and and we do not have this record, and the gas

is transported today. 20-25 to 30, there such volumes fluctuate, but for us, from january 1, 25, this agreement on the transportation of gas through the territory of ukraine with gazprom expires, we have said many times why russia insisted and constantly demanded from the european countries that they should conclude an agreement with it not only for the purchase of gas, but also for transportation through the territory of ukraine, and here are european companies, they pay russia for both gas and transportation, and russia pays ukraine, and we were

relevant agreements. and "if this, this contract ends, i think that our loans, well, this is a more political issue, i will say from the point of view of energy and, well, i think, expediency, how should it be done, and so we demanded after and during the first gas war, that european countries, european companies can buy gas anywhere, in russia, in turkmenistan, in kazakhstan, they can transport this gas, on the territory of russia to the russia-ukraine border, that's all, they show us this volume, and with transportation across the territory of ukraine, they conclude an agreement with our company uktransgaz, or whatever it is called, there is a gas trunk network now, and they pay us, and we are responsible for

transportation. of this gas, today this is the situation, as if we do not have agreements with european countries, but they demand from us, here you are stealing gas, they are transporting it in full, and we say to them: please tell us, we have at least would sign something, some kind of agreement, we cannot bear such responsibility, and i hope that from the new year, if there is a transit, then it will be ironed out like this. algorithm and it will be absolutely correct, this is the next step towards, if not independence from russia, bringing order to this gas hub, and if there is no transit, even if there is no agreement there and we say, we say, we do not continue there will be no transit agreement, and why does russia insist, why do i... once again, here

is another remark, why european countries were so interested, because russia said that if you conclude an agreement on transit with us, the price of gas will be lower, we we will sell to you at a low price, and if it is different, then we will raise the price, and that is why the european countries, they demanded us, and why now hungary, slovakia say, you will leave us without gas and so on, and what if there is no transit. in the world , this could even happen, then i don't see any problems for hungary, slovakia, or austria, for them to find another source, now europe is diversified, there is gas where they can buy it, yes, the price can be higher, but they will not remain without gas, i don't see such big problems here, i just don't to you, mr. ivan, and first

of all to the audience. that, so that you may understand, i will repeat what mr.