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to our viewers, today i am artem logutenko on the air, and we will talk about, i will not be afraid of this wording, a special military operation to demilitarize the kursk region of russia, with me as a guest today is roman pohorily, this is the co-founder and oscent analyst of the deep state resource. and actually romany, i... i want to discuss with you the purpose of this operation, we have been watching for several days how our forces break through the defenses of the russians, capture new and new territories in kursk region, but we don't know anything about the purpose, what do you think the purpose is? congratulations, well, if we talk about the goals and tasks that have been set for today, then they definitely do not exist, because first of all, our military and political leadership, it...

chose the position of silence, and this is probably the most correct position of all that was before of this, there are now, and now there are certain versions, there someone says that it is to get to the gas distribution station there to the as, and to have some leverage, someone simply says that it is the capture of the territory there, the return territory, which may also be suitable for us in certain positions in the future. negotiators, in particular, this was noted by a representative of the president's office, i don't know what this comment was for, but so be it, and someone says that this is a withdrawal of some reserves, so that the muscovites could withdraw them from belgorod, there from donbas, although as of today, how many days have passed, our guys do not feel this distraction, if it was even there, because a very large number of forces are concentrated there, in particular, if we talk about the avdiivka, pokrovska or turetska districts, and...

but time will tell here, for today this work is being done, in the future we will see what it was all for, the main thing is that it reaches its end, so that it does not find its fulfillment, and what are the tasks, there are all these versions, then already there is no difference, nevertheless, i would like to discuss them with you, because as you rightly pointed out, the ukrainian official side does not say anything about this operation. but we are interested in understanding what it will be, whether it will be another sortie, as it was, we observed several times in the performance of russian volunteer units, which entered the territory of the russian federation, fought there for a few days, took videos and photos and left, well, there are signs from the first moment that show that these are much larger-scale events, and they have... some serious goals, because

when the previous times, there were certain divisions, in particular, if we talk about rdk and others, there were a lot of them. of some media content, it was, there were certain processes that had their own tasks, to date we do not see that today there is any media coverage, we do not see that it was done there on purpose, because where the footage is coming from, where some fighters are, where damage is being inflicted, where some clashes are taking place and, in general, what blows are being inflicted, in particular, tonight this... column was burned, which was going there to some kind of their repulse, then this shows a serious scale , what is happening today is definitely not some previous actions that were on our side, you know, here i am as a war correspondent, where as

a ukrainian, in general, it was very infuriating that we had some kind of conditional, probably, or maybe not conditional, red... so that our troops could not to cross the border and enter the territory of the russian federation, this is what we saw during the kharkiv counteroffensive, so when our troops liberated the region, reached the border and stood and were forced to watch the russians accumulate troops, and now it is obvious that this ban has been lifted , there is a legal understanding, i don't know whether to remove it, and a lot of people don't know. whether there were any bans lifted there, as of today, again, we can say there are some signs, there are no agreements, first of all it is the fact that there are already the united states, the european union and in general, the partners stated that they did not know about these maneuvers, and if this is really the case, that is

, we just took it and did our work, and no one tells us that it is wrong, it is possible or not, then the military and political leadership are all today's these actions... it is necessary to be proud, because previously we discussed, asked, discussed, we built some frameworks for what is possible, what is not possible, what can be beaten, where can go, but today we have such a position that the enemy has concentrated a large number of forces, and the enemy is implementing these forces in the east, in particular there in the donetsk region, we see that the map changes every day, we see that there is progress every day, and to date... everyone is already a partner there, they approach the negotiations somewhere from the side, there they force us to involve muscovites in negotiation process, in a peaceful one, although they do not have to discuss any points there, they only have to be responsible for what they did and for their aggression, because

the international world recognized that aggression is a crime that must be punished, so there are some there can be no discussions, and on today we are that wolf who is driven into a... corner and we can only find in that wolf some very frank solutions that will give at least some chance to survive, here is one of them, so i don't know if there were agreements, already today it is reported that we are in contact with the united states there, no one has told us anything, the answer was clear and quite comprehensive that this is ours, our war, these are our decisions and no one has the right to interfere. therefore , only our highest officials probably know about the agreements here representatives of the authorities. to the washington post on the condition of anonymity, one of president zelenskyi's advisers said that the

defense forces in kursk region captured more than 100 russian soldiers and that we supposedly control 100 km of territory there. at the same time, we have completely different data, different numbers, for example, the russian liberal publication agency says about as much as 430 km, and what are your data and why are the numbers so different? we don't have data, because this is exactly the process that we try not to discuss, and we showed certain firsts there marking days, so that people already on... get fed up with a little bit of information, so that they understand that something is happening, because to contemplate how, for three days, everyone eats up the russian information space, being in a ten-year war, in particular, in the information space, well, it is difficult, but as it is, about the fact that there are differences, how many have taken, how many

have passed, because no one knows anything, and everyone is trying to guess somewhere, to draw something of their own somewhere, someone has his own sources, by the way, international media... . such a funny process when our military and political leadership is silent, they don't give comments, it was already mentioned, well, it was quite funny, and they don't start there with the name. a general from the general staff, some advisor to the president's office is not named there, someone else is not named there, someone else, well, i don't know, i call it a fantasy, because somehow it must be different to write something about it , and they don't have anything, they come from such and such, and that's why, that's why the numbers are different, everyone is trying to guess something somewhere, of course everyone reads, but there the soldiers wrote russian, they wrote russian, russian... wrote, i have only one question: since when did the russians become the source after all

the lies, after all that we have already experienced with them in the war, that's all. by the way, this is a really funny moment, if i'm not mistaken, the bloomberg publication recently published an article that the general staff does not pick up the phone and does not comment on these events, but speaking of the advance of our troops, we actually have a wonderful video. from the village of oktyabrska, i will ask the editors to show it now, there is simply a lot of burnt equipment standing along the road, this road, to things, leads directly to the regional center, to kursk, and to the kursk nuclear power plant, it is noticeable that the village of oktyabrske is located somewhere 50... kilometers from sudzhia, from which the entire information space actually began to discuss

the offensive in the kursk region. mr. roman, what do you think it means that our forces are going to kursk? perhaps, perhaps, now again , it is difficult and unnecessary to draw an exact zone where our military is located, and we do not know the tasks that are set there. and that's good, the military knows about them management, they are currently implementing their tasks, ah, who is interested, would like to know more, please join the guys, all these landings, these roads and learn about all the plans that interest you. kurdsk, as, gas distribution station, something else, unknown, and it's great that it's unknown, we see the results, that's it. video of the defeat of this column, enjoy, i'm sure there

will be more, and we will see the consequences in time, for sure, i would like to talk to you about the military forces of the enemy, which he has in the kursk region, in fact we saw a lot of strange information, in particular, about the kadyrivites, who blocked themselves there, then went somewhere in the wrong direction, then... declared that they had escaped with our troops, and what is actually happening, are there any troops on the territory of the kursk region that can oppose us? well , today, if you look at what we already have, they met, met, the first are, as they call, conscripts, somewhere there is an akhmat running, it is not known where, filming some ba... where they are at the front, they force their own soldiers from the russian federation to apologize if

they say something there that they were not there, very funny and very mysterious, but the muscovites, they have certain resources, they are already pulling them, it's very funny, again, to watch how they shoot all this, where they go, where they concentrate, and i'm sure that they will use all this, and usually. if you look at the previous actions, they unfolded quite quickly, i don't know if they knew that something was going to happen and they were already ready, did they really have reserves somewhere and did they usually involve the russian guards, these are not insignificant forces, they are literally police forces, they are military forces, but nowadays it is more and more serious, they are now gathering such regular troops, they are collecting equipment as they will.. . to implement where, it is not yet known, and here we will also see in time

how they will occupy some positions in general, there is information that they charge from different directions, first of all, it is belgorod, that is, the northern borders of kharkiv oblast, where they gathered a fairly significant group there, and on the one hand, back then, as kharkiv region was being discussed, it was possible to think, and they could have such tasks, to realize this whole end. forces at once, but they start them gradually, by which they delay time, hold a certain territory, and again delay our reserves, and they have the resources for this for more than one day. day after day, they hold this entire territory, and after one group they destroy, another immediately comes, and so day after day, so these forces, which they have concentrated there, are certain information that they are transferring it to the kursk district, then there was information that they are also coming from the south, it will take a considerable amount of time to cross there from one point to another, but,

excuse me, i will clarify, from the south, what exactly do you mean , the south? zaporizhzhia district, kherson region, let it be so, i don't know for sure, just the south, where they occupied the territory, whether it is also reliably unknown, that is, time will tell here, first of all, it always, when they moved something, it got out already later where they lit up, then here again time is needed for overturning, on the one hand they know how to do it, they are constantly pulling somewhere along the front, and only they see any opportunity there for advancement. for a favorable situation, they throw reserves there, use them quickly, on the other hand, here it is so unexpected that it started, so of course they are already charging it, they will do it, but how will they implement it and will they get anything out of it with that informational disorganization in the first place, as it is, we will see here, i hope

our defense forces will destroy them and everything will be ok, what about the application? the missile, as far as i understand, is not the biggest obstacle that our forces are currently facing in kursk region? but this is not only the kursk region, it is everywhere along the front line, first of all, they always had an advantage, and this is such a key, one of the main, or rather means, it is aviation with their cabs, fabs, and if we talk there along the front line , this is now the pokrovska district, turetska is there, they started working very actively when they had promotion and still have, they concentrated all this attention there and inflicting damage on populated areas, on the positions of the ukrainian military, and as they do, they simply wipe everything to nothing, and then already the infantry, and it is simply swarming there, it continues to advance there, and in these simple conditions it is very difficult to somehow conduct battles, and nevertheless, our defense forces are trying to contain

all this pressure, so it is also not an exception in the kursk region, they will also be there. they will apply all this, as they did in the kharkiv region, on the northern borders, vovchansk was simply destroyed in the first place, just kabams and fabams, this is what they did in chasovoy yar, in maryanka, in bakhmut, that is, this is now one of their main tactics, and this, unfortunately, is an advantage, but now they will have to erase the merging of the land with their own settlements, which can't help but please, not please, but it looks good. it is strange, because they are good, that there are military men, whom they throw for meat and they simply do not appreciate them, and these military men trust everything there, they go to battle, they do not commit mutinies and all, but when it comes to civilians flies in, they are ready to demolish targets settlements of its own people, its own houses, it looks wild and strange, and the fact that

it supports the population all the same there. it 's some kind of madness and madness, i don't know, it's just some kind of disease, and they, of course, they have some kind of separation, as always, this is in the russian way, when there is a local government there, there are military personnel, and they go out and shoot vladimir vladimirov and will do something, that is , their king and god is their only ruler and everything, and they do not see anything else, although he is the one who approves it in the first place and gives orders to bomb them there, so i... understood you correctly that there is currently no improvement in the situation for our forces in other directions. well, unfortunately, it is not that there is no improvement, it is just difficult, because the enemy has concentrated a large number of their forces, they are climbing continuously, moreover, they see some favorable moments, they see progress, and

as i already mentioned , one of their tactics, only they see something, some opportunity. they immediately begin to develop this ability to press there, and so they did are doing, so now it is important to restrain this pressure, which is carried out, in particular, in the pokrovska, turetska districts, these are probably the most discussed such districts now, although we still have the novomykhaivka district, that is, it is somewhere from the coal mine to kostyantynivka, the route along which they are trying to exit, in particular, then on ugledar, this is the krasnogohorivka district. georgiyivka, maksimilianivka, wherever they go in the direction of kurakhovo, and there, too, there are enough such heavy battles, ah, this kharkiv region is eastern, that is, there, the settlement of pishchane, everyone can do it. to see this ledge to the borov track kupyansk, kupyansk, that's why there are a lot of these difficult moments, and very often just similar processes happened when they

accumulate their forces, just in the area of ​​avdiyivka, there is probably the largest group there, now after they took it, that's where they now they are all implementing it, plus they have pulled up reserves there, because they see an opportunity to go to the road, i.e. pokrovsk, mirnograd, kostyantynivka, and to these on... points, which are extremely important and, in fact , one of the last already big ones, so they concentrated some strength and start to press, to storm, it was there in the area of ​​time ravine, it was in the area of ​​limanu, now the pressure was essentially asleep there, it was in the area of ​​siversk, maryinka, when there were still battles there, that is, all these processes, if you sum it up the question is, most likely, this is how it is approached, or? it is appropriate to use these fresh forces that went to kurshchyna, and instead of going to toretsk and pokrovsk, on the one hand, this thesis is well-founded, and

this is what the western partners and westerners, those on twitter, began to throw at us is discussed, it is what some have started there representatives of our population, immediately present, and of course, the muscovites took advantage of this. they immediately started in the media space where they said, the military is rioting there, the people are rioting, no one agrees, why do we need to go there, if we have these settlements and the like, on the one hand yes, and this is a very big risk, that is just that wolf, which is cornered, took these risks, took these, ah, such steps, ah, that we are now implementing the more global one. and a deeper purpose, and it is worth it, if you think about it and, if indeed, there are certain options that will now be used in the future from kursk, with the territory, we will have

to use them someday, then it is worth it, the only question is whether it will be implemented, if it is implemented, well, i am sure, everyone will say, it is cool, it is direct was very well thought out, and no one will remember whether it was worth it or not, if it is not implemented, i am 99% sure that everyone will remember toretsk, everyone will remember pokrovsk, that we screwed up here, screwed up there , nothing happened, everything is emotional here, but here you have to think with a cold head mind, to understand the risks, because we have no other option, and to believe in the defense forces, believe in our defense forces, those who do not agree - join, those who agree, help, or keep silent and say nothing, that's all, so now of course , that stabilization measures are being carried out, certain reserves are being drawn up. there are many problems, but the most important thing is to restrain this pressure in the pokrovsk and turetska areas, so as not to allow progress, and of course, then if

it works out both here and there, it will be great. pokrovsk, turetsk, ugledar, kupyansk, chi i understand correctly that the enemy is not withdrawing reserves from these hot spots, hot directions, in order to transfer them to the kurb region, so far it has not been noticed. they are running and i, again, as i mentioned earlier, even if they are there , if they pull something in the pokrupsk region, i doubt that the guys will feel it, because there are so many of them, just how many there are, that there really are not enough resources, to destroy them all, so it is again, and i doubt that they will abandon this particular direction, when they have such tremendous opportunities, they rather there they will pull away from the south and kill the nation... the cutting of the robot's performance there, what they also set, and this is more of an informational task, it is tactical, strategic, absolutely not justified and does not give them any

advantage, and that is why i am sure , that they are ready to withdraw some forces from there, but definitely not there from donetsk, i.e. pokrovsk and toretsk, because the risks are too great. i would like to talk with you about the process of evacuation of the civilian population. kursk region, if we talk about official statements, then we see that everything is there it is wonderful that all people are evacuated, everyone is provided with everything, but nevertheless we constantly see statements and appeals from the local population, who simply shout that they were abandoned and forgotten by the kremlin. in your opinion, how catastrophic is it now. there was

one video, and they are all happy there, someone left on their own, for someone there they organized some kind of humanitarian and handouts so that people at least received something, someone was not taken out, there was this disorientation in the information space, there we did not hear immediately, when it all started, there evacuate, run away, they helped us there, as we heard in the information space, everyone was repulsed, everyone was expelled, everything is fine, and it was at the level of... official representatives of some authorities, so they did not pay attention to the civilian population, they also served them there, that is, they began to bomb them, there were already certain moments, and of course, now it is precisely this disorientation of information in the first place, it affects this process, that everything is bad, they complain, and so be it, but again, this is this frenzy in the head, when

it is necessary to turn to a more... higher level, to what did they prove, what did they do, they gather in a circle, record a video video vladimir vladimirovich, help us here, the governor of kursk and the mayor, and everyone gave up what we should do and everything, so they deserved it, let them reap everything they they did to us themselves, i hope and i sincerely wish for them that they go through all the stages that we went through, that our population went through, that they do not receive humanitarian aid, that... their houses are bombed, that they are left with nothing, that even if, if only somewhere stirred, and they thought what could happen when you come from by the same to someone, this is karma in action, in fact, it turns out that yes, mr. roman, we talked about the enemy's readiness for similar actions, from our side, the bloomberg agency itself published information that russian intelligence

is two more. weeks before these events, the command, the military command, allegedly reported a possible invasion, but the head of the russian general staff, known to us as gerasimov, rejected this information and did not inform putin about it, so what do you think, is this a sign that the russians underestimated us, or did they just looking for an opportunity now make excuses and look for a goat from buwayl, huh. there are two options, or bloomberg didn't know anything, i just wrote it and that's all, just under, because there were absolutely no other signs. on the other hand, the second, and perhaps it was so, considering how now the same gerasimov and the general military command of the russian federation in that area are justifying their actions, they are providing disinformation, everything was repelled, everything is fine, our units are working there now and

something like that, maybe it was like this... but the situation is that they don't know what to do now, although well, we see, the heads do not fly to the public, everything is shown, everything is fine, everything is under control, it is not known how they are inside there, if it causes any conflicts, if it causes any trouble there, well, it is only to our advantage, everything, everything absolutely negative, what is happening inside them now, everything is positive, were they ready, were they not, this now shows the result, how things are progressing, how they... don't react, did they lie, if they lied, well , continue in the same spirit, we, we are only for. i want to talk to you too, we this was mentioned a little at the beginning, about the reaction of our western partners to the situation. in fact, we have statements, in particular the spokesman of the us state department, matthew miller, who said that ukraine's actions in the kursk region do not contradict

us policy. as well as the chairman of the defense committee of the german bundestag, markus faber, who does not consider the use of german weapons on the territory of the kursk region to be a problem. isn't this proof that these actions were either coordinated with our western partners or they are just now telling us that you can invade russian, to the territory of the russian federation, where you decide. either it was agreed, or they have no other choice now, and this is the genius, again, of the military-political leadership, i will not name the name, so that they do not say that i am praising someone there, something else, and i i will name it as simply a state, some place, structure, institution, military-political leadership, which faced the fact, or did not report, did it, and now no one will show it.